Unindicted co-conspirator in terror funding case says Bush Administration promoting "Islamophobia"

The unindicted co-conspirators at CAIR indulge in more finger-pointing and diversionary tactics. "Bush office is anti-Muslim, group says," by Audrey Hudson and Sara A. Carter in the Washington Times (thanks to Morgaan Sinclair):

A Muslim civil rights group today blamed Bush administration policies for promoting "Islamophobia" and said the "war on terror" won't stop terrorists.

"The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself," said Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the national board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

"Terrorism is a tactic. You cannot eradicate it by declaring a war against it. The war on terror is causing us infinitely more harm than the terrorists could have ever imagined."

Terrorism certainly is a tactic. The Bush Administration has so far refrained from identifying the enemy properly.

Mr. Ahmed, who spoke at CAIR symposium at the National Press Club, said the war against terrorists is driven by an "irrational" fear that the Bush administration has inculcated in the American public. The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

Oh, is that all? Well, then, carry on, mujahedin!

"It is important to bear in mind that terrorists cannot destroy America," he said as a member of a panel discussing the symposium theme, "Attacking Islam: Implications for Social Cohesion and U.S. Relations with the Muslim World." The U.S., he said, is too powerful and too resourceful for terrorists to destroy.

Maybe. But they certainly can wreak havoc here.

The Bush Administration's policies in Iraq has driven a deep wedge between Muslim's and non-Muslim people in the United States, he said.

"Policies driven by fear will be naturally irrational. Thus in this state of irrationality the Bush administration often through their surrogates have resorted to fear-mongering. This has unleashed a vicious cycle, one in which fear leads to bad policies and bad policies lead to more fear.

"The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Yeah, surrre. Why don't you tell me, Mr. Ahmed, what I have "misunderstood"? We could have a fruitful dialogue about the elements of Islamic theology that jihadists use to recruit terrorists, and what peaceful Muslims should do about this. Contact me at director@jihadwatch.org.

David Keene, president of the American Conservative Union, said in turn that while Osama bin Laden and those who commit terrorism in the name of Islam may represent no one but themselves, "those who represent Islam have an obligation to themselves, and to the faith they profess, to condemn them lest [other Muslims] suffer for their crimes.

Not just condemn. Refute. Act against. Teach against. It is shameful that an American Conservative Union representative would speak at this unindicted co-conspirator event, and even more shameful that he did not call them in any more forceful manner to fight against the jihadism that they supposedly reject.

"If CAIR wants respect as representing the best of Islam to the West, it must shun the role of enabler by siding with the enemies of terror and intolerance wherever they are found," Mr. Keene said. "The Muslim who attacks Jews and Christians as pigs or Crusaders is as responsible for the breakdown in civility in the modern world as the Christian who implies that all Muslims harbor a desire to kill a Christian or a Jew."

Even more, Mr. Keene. You can't reasonably line up a rhetorical "implication" as equivalent to a justification for genuine murderous attacks. Those attacks are all going in one direction, or haven't you noticed?

However, some of what Keene said bordered on respectability:

Mr. Keene compared CAIR to the emergence of the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League of the 1970s, which he said became "particularly upset whenever anyone mentioned the existence of the 'Mafia,' which they took as implying that Italian-Americans were all Mafioso or criminals.

"If someone used the word in public, [the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League] was willing to stage demonstrations on the grounds that its usage was racist and that, anyhow, the Mafia didn't exist. People began to ignore the League because what its leaders were insisting on as true just didn't match up very well with the world we live in."

Mr. Keene said CAIR feeds negative perceptions of Islam with a similarly censorious and hypersensitive attitude toward American newspapers, magazines, and radio and television networks.

"We are meeting today at the National Press Club, which is in a way a living memorial to the freedom of the press that is so important a part of the American tradition. The platform on which we speak is open to all because we believe in the right even of those with whom we disagree to speak their minds. But some reporters have been barred by CAIR from covering this panel because by criticizing CAIR or its policies they have been condemned as anti-Muslim when they are, in fact, simply reporters doing their jobs," he said.

A reporter for The Washington Times was the only reporter asked to leave the room today. After she was escorted out, the doors to the session, which had remained open, were closed.

Mr. Keene said that CAIR has attacked as "anti-Muslim" a number of publications, including The Washington Times, the Dallas Morning News, the Tampa Tribune, the New Republic magazine, U.S. News & World Report, and the Weekly Reader, a popular newspaper for schoolchildren.

"My hope and belief was that this event was going to be an open discussion," he said in a brief interview after the symposium. "It was what I said in my speech. You don't restrict access because someone disagrees with you."

What did Keene expect would be the outcome of this? Does he think the CAIR leopard will change its spots at his call? If not, why was he there? If so, could anyone possibly be more naive?

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Actually, I am an Islamaphobe due to islam/muslim's own actions and words. Bush had nothing to do with it all. I have read over 40 books now and way too many articles to count about some aspect of islam and none of it is pretty - and that is the muslim's own fault - not President Bush's fault, or any of our politician's fault (except Mr. Ellison).

I am a Christian and am totally aware of all the Christians they have slaughtered in this century, the past century and the many centuries past. And am totally aware of the Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc that they slaughter too. This isn't even counting their own that they slaughter.

islam breeds murderers - what can I say other than that?!

Really ? I'm virtually certain Bush Is a Muslim.

And if cair was not always so busy justifying the barbaric acts of their terrorist mudslime brethren, maybe they would figure out a way to improve the relations.

When you point your finger at someone, there are four fingers pointing back at you!

DEATH TO ISLAM!

LOL @ topic

Yeah...and I can see it now:
"Goering rants at Nuremberg Trials that US promotes naziphobia."

LMAO

Talking from both sides of their mouths.

oh yes, that was expected and more! Ellison proved that! Thanks Polosi you now have Cair in the White House too! Poor Bush has to cherry pick!
Polosi paint it pink! Cair and your buddies are inching step by step here too! They should all make their move at the same time. I am so mad I can spit!

"'The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself,' said Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the national board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)."
-- from the article above

From a posting three years ago:

"It would be fascinating to consider the response if one were to ask Muslims to try, just to try, for one minute to imagine themselves to be Infidels -- yet knowing what they know perfectly well, as Muslims, to be the real tenets of Islam. Would they, as Infidels, but knowing what they know about the real attitudes that Islam inculcates in its Believers, not act in a spirit of self-defense against the world-wide Jihad, and not worry about the insistence of Muslims within the Infidel lands to have changes made in the laws and the mores in order to make Da'wa (the Call to Islam) easier for the Muslims who have managed to settle in the Bilad al-kufr? Could a Muslim possibly perform that act of imaginative sympathy? For if he could, and if he were quite truthful, he would have to admit that Muslim hostility and aggression, based squarely on the canonical texts, is no figment of fevered Infidel delirium, but a real, and immutable, and permanent threat to the wellbeing, and continued existence, of Infidels and of their civilization.

Why non-Muslims need be apologetic for attempting to defend themselves, is a puzzlement. What is necessary, in fact, is a much more widespread understanding of the basic tenets of Islam -- not the rigmarole of Shehada, zakat, salat, Ramadan, and hajj, but the division of the world between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb, and the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya, and Sura 9, and the hundred-odd verses throughout the Qur'an that extol jihad against the Infidels, and the hundreds of violently hostile hadith, and the behavior of Muhammad himself. Once this understanding has been achieved by many more Infidels than at present, a reasonable attempt at constraining Islam, and those who support it, can be attempted -- for that has barely begun with the awkwardly-named "war on terror" that carefully leaves out the word "jihad" or, still more deliberately and foolishly, the word "Islam."

[Posted by: Hugh at October 20, 2004 11:33 PM]

Greetings:

A corollary to the "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you,"

just because you're Islamophobic doesn't mean the Muslims aren't out to get you.

"The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself," said Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the national board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

OUR perception is that Islam has been at war with us almost since the founding of our country. The Barbary Coast pirates were Muslim.

R_not, I do not think that you, or the rest of us for that matter, are Islamophobic. A phobia, after all, is an unreasoning fear.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but in the words of Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "There is no such thing as Islamophobia, it's a myth, it doesn't exist"

Parvez Ahmed, a dangerous idiot on the loose, says there's a 1 in 80,000 chance of being killed by a terrorist during the course of one's life.

Poor Ahmed, lost in his religious books, he's never thought much about technology and how fast it advances. He's forgotten the prediction by experts that a couple of dozen men with less than ten million dollars could get hold of and smuggle into the U.S. sufficient weapons grade material and skills to build an atomic weapon, load it into a van, and then have two men drive it into any suitable city. And poor Ahmed has forgotten so many other things, too. So many things, it makes one wonder about his poor memory.

The terrorists probably can't destroy the U.S., but they could come close.

But the worst part, poor Ahmed, is not the terrorism your religion espouses ten thousand times more than does any other major religion, whether Buddhism, Animism, Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism. No, the worst part is that you and your totalitarian religion may in a generation or two take over Europe. As Muslims, with their huge reproduction rates and their huge immigration rates, become a majority in Europe, Islamic law, in various forms, some radical, some "moderate," will spread, and then non-Muslims, as is already happening in small ways in Europe, will become dhimmis, peoples destined for slow extinction at the hands of Islamic totalitarianism. And as Europe goes, so may America follow not so long after, unless we call a moratorium on Islamic immigration. Fewer and fewer people are being fooled by the mythical legends and politically correct cliches about how tolerant Islamic rulers have been. We have seen such books as The Legacy of Jihad and the Fate of Non-Muslims. We have studied Bat Ye'or's books on the history of dhimmitude.

The dark future to which your lovely religion is so brilliantly contributing is why more and more people must fight you, poor, pathetic, idiotic, dangerous, Ahmed.

Parvez Ahmed, a dangerous idiot on the loose, says there's a 1 in 80,000 chance of being killed by a terrorist during the course of one's life.

Poor Ahmed, lost in his religious books, he's never thought much about technology and how fast it advances. He's forgotten the prediction by experts that a couple of dozen men with less than ten million dollars could get hold of and smuggle into the U.S. sufficient weapons grade material and skills to build an atomic weapon, load it into a van, and then have two men drive it into any suitable city. And poor Ahmed has forgotten so many other things, too.

The terrorists probably can't destroy the U.S., but they could come close.

But the worst part, poor Ahmed, is not the terrorism your religion espouses ten thousand times more than does any other major religion, whether Buddhism, Animism, Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism. No, the worst part is that you and your totalitarian religion may in a generation or two take over Europe. As Muslims, with their huge reproduction rates and their huge immigration rates, become a majority in Europe, Islamic law, in various forms, some radical, some less so, will spread, and then non-Muslims, as is already happening in small ways in Europe, will become dhimmis, peoples destined for slow extinction at the hands of Islamic totalitarianism. And as Europe goes, so may America follow not so long after, unless we call a moratorium on Islamic immigration. Fewer and fewer people are being fooled by the rosy legends and politically correct cliches about how Islamic rulers have been tolerant. We have seen such books as The Legacy of Jihad and the Fate of Non-Muslims. We have studied Bat Ye'or's books on the history of dhimmitude.

I'll take my chances with a black non-Muslim any day over a white Muslim. This is not racism.

The dark future to which your lovely religion is so brilliantly contributing is why more and more people must fight you, poor, pathetic, idiotic, dangerous, Ahmed.

This Parvez Ahmed is a no-nonsense kind of guy. He has read the same Pew report that we did and has come to the conclusion that:

A recent poll by the Pew Research Center concluded that American Muslims are “decidedly American in their outlook, values, and attitudes.”

Ahmed has a PhD and his own blog:

http://drparvezahmed.blogspot.com/

The level of bias and denial that these folks operate with is amazing.

While I am in general pleased with Mr. Keene standing up to CAIR (though in a rather tepid manner), his remarks about my fellow Italo Americans are off the mark. Anti Defamation efforts cannot be legitimately compared to what is going on with CAIR today, their taqqiya and obfuscation.

QUOTE:
"Mr. Keene compared CAIR to the emergence of the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League of the 1970s, which he said became "particularly upset whenever anyone mentioned the existence of the 'Mafia,' which they took as implying that Italian-Americans were all Mafioso or criminals."

Our anger was the overuse of the word for any and all criminal activities and organizations; such as "Russian Mafia" or referring to the Japanese Yakuza as "Japanese Mafia". One would think that Italians were roaming the world teaching otherwise benign foreigners how to conduct criminal activities that heavens-to-Betsy they NEVER would have thought of on their own. I am sure Mr. Keene does not have the visceral reaction I have to the very mention of The Sopranos, The Godfather, Goodfellas, Wiseguy ad nauseum. And the dear Lord only knows what new Italo bashing awaits us on Hollywood's story boards for next season.

Anyway, that is off the thread, the main problem with his comparison is that there are hardly any TV programs or movies depicting Muslims in the negative light Italian Americans have been subjected to in over 700 films since Edward J. Robinson burst onto the screens in 1930's Little Caesar. Also, though Italo Americans such as I protested our depictions in the news and entertainment media, we were NOT unindicted co-cnspirators funding John Gotti or Mr. Giancana. Our dollars didn't go to buy Italian American school children strap-on suicide belts nor do I remember any of us thinking blowing up cars or hijacking a passenger jet a nifty way to get our Anti Defamation message across. Though CAIR and its fellows have a LOT more to answer for, they are treated with far more deference than ever was accorded an Italian American during my 51 years on this Earth.

Mr. Keene, I suggest your next remarks would be more spot on if you were to compare CAIR and a quite similar organization: THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY and their supporters in the USA.

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering.

You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to avoid war, by appeasement, slander and politics, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to avoid war against the victims of monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.

You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is defeat, defeat at all costs, defeat in spite of all terror, defeat, however long and hard the road may be; for without defeat, there is no survival for the Palestinians.

Let that be realised; no survival for the West, no survival for all that the West has stood for, no survival for the urge and impulse of the ages, that mankind will move forward towards its goal. But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope.

I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among Democrats. At this time I feel entitled to claim the aid of all, and I say, "Come then, let us go forward together with our united defeatism."

Nancy Pelosi 2010.

Oy...so CAIR says it doesn't make sense to call it a "war on terror" (which it doesn't), but it makes more sense to call it a "war on Islam"? This is Islamologic at its finest?

If Bush & Co. really wanted to attack Islam, there wouldn't even be a CAIR around to care about. Mosques in the USA would be demolished and the Quran banned. There'd be internment camps in every state filled with Muslims. And Mecca/Medina/Qom would be smoldering ruins. Furthermore, given all that the so-called "islamophobic" USA has done for Muslims via Kuwait, Kosovo, numerous attempts to broker M.E. peace, beaucoup $$$ to Egypt, Jordan, and Palestinians, and far fewer Muslims being killed for their faith in the USA than, say, in India, China, or even your run-o'-the-mill Islamo-country (e.g. were the Red Masjid militants killed for their faith?)....can CAIR be absolutely sure that it isn't an irrational fear that Muslims have of the West that's driving all this paranoia? What were the 9/11 hijackers and their sympathizers/apologists *afraid* of before Sept. 11, 2001? And spare us the "USA foreign policy" litanies as reasons for any fear/anger....if the ummah isn't willing to own up to a whole host of Islamic foreign policy bunglings, they shouldn't be so quick to point fingers at American foreign policy bunglings as reasons for their misery.

Freaking hilarious. Bush promoting Islamophobia?

This once again proves the simple point: there's no pleasing Islamists in America or otherwise. Appease them, pander to them, coddle them, and eventually you'll get the same result -- biting the hand that feeds.

I can only dream about what would be printed in newspapers if I were ever President. LOL. Someone would have to come up with a whole new word.

I am so tired of hearing so called "experts" claim that Islam is nothing more than a "victim" of those few who have distorted its teachings. I am in the process of reading the Koran (Pickthall edition) and as layman who is not a Muslim, I find it very easy to understand what the Koran teaches, and it ain't pretty. EVERY politician, pundit, commentator, editorialist, newspaper publisher, teacher....make it every person in the USA needs to read the Koran and understand it from the perspective of the "West". I know some will discount what they read, only because they refuse to see beyond the rhetoric, but I believe if all of us truly understood where the doctrine comes from we would not stand for the continuing destruction of the values and morals we have upheld for over 200 years. I shudder to think of how the children of today are going to have to deal with the rise of Islam in the West. My stepson, God bless him knows the difference between right and wrong so at least we have a future warrior standing in the wings. How many others are there out there, willing to take up the banner of truth, freedom and justice in order to protect the life we have created? I only hope there are millions. I may be too old to serve, but I ain't too damn old to aim a rifle.
"Islamophobes of the world, Unite!"
"Stop Muslim immigration now!"

"promoting 'Islamophobia' ".

Ah, No, I woke up on my own accord.

"war on terror won't stop terrorists".

Ah, no but you muslims can, if you come into the 21st century and quit letting extremists ride on your almost silent wave of approval.

"The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself,"

Ah, yes, you perceive it right since nearly all terror comes from Islam.

"Terrorism is a tactic."

Ah, yes, you are correct on that.

"You cannot eradicate it by declaring a war against it."

Ah, yes, somewhat correct, but sounds like a distraction statement (again), from those whose religion justifies terror.

"The war on terror is causing us infinitely more harm than the terrorists could have ever imagined."

Ah, yes, causing you and your religion harm and us on the receiving end harm.

"Policies driven by fear will be naturally irrational."

Ah, yes, why arn't you standing before the jihadists in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan...fighting the policies driven by fear?

"Thus in this state of irrationality the Bush administration often through their surrogates have resorted to fear-mongering. This has unleashed a vicious cycle, one in which fear leads to bad policies and bad policies lead to more fear."

Ah, yes, that's exactly what 19 muslims unleashed on 9/11 and that's when this islamophobe woke up.

Ahmed, give the same speech while looking in the mirror.

We ain't that dumb.

R_not nailed it -- Islam causes Islamophobia!

The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

...whereas the chance of a Muslim being killed or even arrested in the West for simply being a Muslim has been and is pretty much ZERO. Criticized, scrutinized, caricatured, and mocked, as is done towards all religious (and non-religious) folks in the West for years....but never killed or arrested for it.

That's why it's not a "war on Islam", either. And those who call it a "war on a religion" are just as much, if not more the fear-mongerers than those who call it a "war on a tactic".

The Bush Administration is repulsively Islamophilic.

These fools should quit while they're ahead.

If they continue to insult GWB & Co. for trying to kowtow, GWB, et al, might get annoyed and begin to realize that there has been a fundmental mistake about all of this Religion of Peace nonsense.

I am not afraid of Islam. (Islamophobic.)

I am Islamopathic.

Sick of Islam.

I'm an Islamopass -- I'll pass on Islam.

"What did Keene expect would be the outcome of this? Does he think the CAIR leopard will change its spots at his call? If not, why was he there?"
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But at least SOMEONE was there, and called CAIR on their trash-talking AND their discrimination against "truth-in-reporting" newspapers. SOMEBODY has to attend these whine-fests and stand up for our side.
I'm writing David Keene at the American Conservative Union

http://www.conservative.org/asp/feedback.asp

to thank him for rebutting CAIR's constant refrain of "Islamophobia" and telling them they need to condemn the violence done in the name of Islam. Maybe he'll come to JihadWatch and get more ammunition to use against CAIR the next time...

"There is no such thing as Islamophobia, it's a myth, it doesn't exist"
Posted by: Rogster July 17, 2007 5:34 PM

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Call it what it TRULY is: IslamoRealism

"Mr. Keene compared CAIR to the emergence of the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League of the 1970s, which he said became "particularly upset whenever anyone mentioned the existence of the 'Mafia,' which they took as implying that Italian-Americans were all Mafioso or criminals".

The comparison fits. Joe Colombo and his criminal operation were being closely watched by the FBI. Colombo used the "civil rights" ruse to try to stop the Feds from closing in on him. However, Joey Gallo put an end to Colombo (who actually started to believe his own bs). Colombo actually started to believe the issue was about "civil rights" and that he was a "civil rights leader". It's amazing.

Islamoloathia!!!

"Bush Administration promoting "Islamophobia""

Should read....

Bush Administration promoting "Islamosleep"

Bevc

"While I am in general pleased with Mr. Keene standing up to CAIR...his remarks about my fellow Italo Americans are off the mark. Anti Defamation efforts cannot be legitimately compared to what is going on with CAIR today, their taqqiya and obfuscation."

Errrr... you're on sticky ground there Bev. As Frank (above) rightly points out, the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League was formed by Joe Colombo, who, while his organisation was campaigning against the portrayal of Italian-Americans as criminal sterotypes, was actually head of one of the New York Mafia crime families.

So in terms of sheer hypocrisy, the ADL - at least while Colombo was at its head, and crime figures such as Paulie Vario held offices in its ranks - could easily be compared to CAIR. Sorry, but it's true.

Islamophobia: An irrational fear of Islam.

Response: 1,400 years of historic conquest and oppression by followers of Islam, including its Founder, have provided more than enough evidence for a rational fear of Islam.

I don't suffer from Islamophobia; I suffer from The-West-That-Refuses-To-See-The-Obvious-Anti-Western-Ideology-Right-In-Front -Of-Them-Called-Islam-That-Desires-The-Utter-Destruction-Of-The-West

"The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

It's about damned time!

I disagree with David Keene of the ACU. Essentially. he is endorsing the Bush view that a minority of extremists have hijacked the true, peaceful Islam. This mistake has led to catastrophe, most notably the naive optimism after Saddam Hussein's overthrow.
I'm glad that more Muslims think that the West is at war with their religion. Perhaps that will force some of them to examine their religion for flaws, and maybe find some.

..."A Muslim civil rights group today blamed Bush administration policies for promoting "Islamophobia"

No, Don'tCAIR dude, your man Osama, his demon hijackers and the rest of the muslim fools who agree with them created this environment. Il'' bet you helped too.

..."and said the "war on terror" won't stop terrorists."

Uh, yes it will. When you've been aced by the US Special Forces, soldiers, Marines or from the air,
and your body lies there, just another stupid muslim , and the rest of you is in hell, because your murder-god turns out to be a fraud, well, guess what, you ain't getting back up to attack the civilized world again. Nope. You had your life. You chose to kill innocent people with it. Too bad you lose.

"The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself."
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180 degrees off. EXACTLY bass-ackwards.

ISLAM declared war on US:
on the USA 9/11/01
on Britain 7/07/05
on Spain 3/11/04
on Bali/Indonesia 10/12/02
and more to come ...

I wrote David Keene and several bloggers who are critical of his so-called "conservatism" several weeks ago when I learned of this "conference". David Keene KNEW IN ADVANCE that CAIR would be excluding reporters from several media outlets. I urged him not to participate unless he could assure access by ALL media outlets.

Lotta good that did.

What will it take to outrage the American people? Why should innocent, loyal citizens of this country have to live in fear of being murdered by others citizens who don't even believe in the principles and ideals this country was founded on, and whose ultimate objective is to destroy the constitution of the United States?

It's no secret as to how we can protect ourselves from terrorism: stop our government from importing millions more Muslims into our country. They don't have any inherent right to come here -- despite the ideology that says they do. This is our country. We have every right to say who comes and who goes.

Two short comments: First, CAIR is its own worst enemy, which is a good thing. Second, Islam is sick to its very core, and as the months and years go by increasing numbers of people worldwide are realizing this. I'm optimistic.

That is like people that are screaming about unhealthy fast food are promoting obesity.

Shall we try again....

that is like claiming the anti-gun people are causing gun violence.

So, if Bush is causing 'Islamophobia' then what is the U.N. causing? International corruption and genocide.

What 'phobia' are muslims causing when they teach in their schools hatred of Jews and Americans?

The wedge is not driven between muslims and non-muslims by Bush. It is driven by muslims that keep blowing people up and the remaining living muslims claiming to be victims instead of the dead people they kill.

Does homophobia promote homosexuality?

Just curious.

Islamophobia is running riot in Britain and the USA. One of the few countries where Muslims never complain about Islamophobia, is the People's Republic of China. From this I assume that the PRC is one of the most Islam friendly countries the world.

You should see the same thread on LGF, not one person dare asking if Islam has a place in America. Funny.

So this guy claims the Bush Adminstration is "promoting Islamophobia" !!!!

Well, gee, ain't that a PISSER!!!!!!!


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If Muslims are so dang worried about their public image our suggestion for Muslims would be to 1-) delete the Kuran's passages that teach first degree murder of the "unbelievers," and 2-) put a stop to the worldwide spree of murders Muslim terrorists have been going on in recent years.

Muslims will also need to face the fact that Americans will NEVER forgive Islam for the attacks on their country on 9-11. Never. Muslims are persona non grata in the USA (and they can take Nancy Pelosi with them when they leave here!!!).

9-11 is hard proof to Americans in general that Islam is absolutely evil. Muslim denials of Islam's involvement in the 9-11 attacks will only make things worse for them. Muslims need a reality check if they seek change, but reality checks are something they have never been good at handling...

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According to the website THE RELIGION OF PEACE since 9-11-2001, Islamic terror networks have spawned (at least) 8938 lethal terror attacks across the globe to date. Of course, these are only the fatal terror attacks that we KNOW about. There are probably many, many others. And many others will occur as Islam's jihad forces are still gathering momentum.

Anything that is responsible for the premeditated (and brutal) murders of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians as Islam absolutely and unequivocally is proven to be, IS GOING TO generate plenty of revulsion with no assistance from Bush and Cheney thank you very much. Apparently it is too much to ask of Muslims that they stop the slaughter of non-Muslims (and Muslims!). So Muslims can look forward to being shunned and singled out and alas they have no one but themselves to blame for this situation.

Who needs the Bush Admininistration to generate anti-Islamic sentiment with all this Islamic-propagated killing going on across the world? Most people are intelligent enough to figure out that if Islam is generating the terrorists Islam must be the root of the problem.

If Islam is really a religion of peace as Muslims and dhimmis love to point out, lets concede that statement for the sake of arguments. Then the true Islamophobes would be the jihadists who "highjacked" Islam. Right? Those are the guys Muslims and dhimmis should be vilifying, not Bush.

"Islamophobia" isn't correct because that's an irrational fear, and fearing Islam is rational.

So, what new term can we coin expressing dislike/hatred of Islam? Which would be correct.

"A Muslim civil rights group today blamed Bush administration policies for promoting 'Islamophobia'."

if only bush would promote islamophobia. sadly, I fear bush's response to attacks like this will be to kowtow even more to CAIR, the OIC, etc.

BTW, did you hear that bush opposes pay raises for the military?

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/NEWS08/707160308/1018/NEWS08

the man deserves his own special place in Hell just for this. I challenge any bushies left in the US to defend his opposition. he screws America's best with extended tours, reduced furloughs, prosecuting Marines wrongfully accused of murder, a brain-dead strategy, preposterous rules of engagement. and now this. someone wake me up & tell me it's all a bad dream.

No Bushies left Sheik. Bush will manage leaving office hated by both sides.

For what it's worth, during this morning's press conference Ms. Townsend of Homeland Security flatly stated that US resources should be used to track terrorists within our borders and not to hamper "illegal aliens" seeking "economic opportunity". Quite the open invitation for both groups, considering some OTM's are picking up Spanish as a language before they cross the border.

I throw up my hands.

For what it's worth, during this morning's press conference Ms. Townsend of Homeland Security flatly stated that US resources should be used to track terrorists within our borders and not to hamper "illegal aliens" seeking "economic opportunity". Quite the open invitation for both groups, considering some OTM's (Other Than Mexican)are picking up Spanish as a language before they cross the border.

I throw up my hands.

"Policies driven by fear will be naturally irrational..."

Policies driven by willful ignorance of the true nature of Islam will be naturally disastrous.

Conflating irrationality and fear is irrational in itself. Pathetic, too.

darcy: I personally would go for the term: "Islamosavvy!"

The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Muslims do not mix with infidels, that is unislamic. The only time they have anything to do with the filthy segment of society, non-muslims, is when it is beneficial to them. Then they run home and perform one of their primitive rituals to cleanse their pristine bodies of our contaminating auras, grovel to allah and beg for our destruction. Strange, but our money doesn't seem to be too filthy for them. The only "shunning" is being done by muslims who chose to come to our country and live apart from the rest of us except to stake their claims on our wealth and economic opportunities.

The popular discourse in America today is at best apathetic concerning muslims, with the exception of the few enlightened. Hopefully, that will change as more people realize what reptiles they are and what they have planned for our country.

The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Muslims do not mix with infidels, that is unislamic. The only time they have anything to do with the filthy segment of society, non-muslims, is when it is beneficial to them. Then they run home and perform one of their primitive rituals to cleanse their pristine bodies of our contaminating auras, grovel to allah and beg for our destruction. Strange, but our money doesn't seem to be too filthy for them. The only "shunning" is being done by muslims who chose to come to our country and live apart from the rest of us except to stake their claims on our wealth and economic opportunities.

The popular discourse in America today is at best apathetic concerning muslims, with the exception of the few enlightened. Hopefully, that will change as more people realize what reptiles they are and what they have planned for our country.

This is what they have planned for our country:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22415

All good infidels should engage in a daily embrace and consumption of Islamaphobia, like fiber, you know, to keep us regular...and alive.

Neither 9/11 nor Robert Spencer nor Bat Ye'or, nor Ellul's brief but trenchant discussions of Islam, caused my 'Islamophobia'. They have merely educated and confirmed it; they have turned what one might have called a nagging suspicion, a sort of diffuse awareness of evil, into a rational conviction of clear and present danger.

As a child in the 1970s I read some rather un-PC old geography books. They included accounts of Islamised lands - describing fatalism, bad government, and oppression of women and of members of other religions; not omitting the Turkish killings of Armenians, or the Turks' artificial famine that killed some 2/5ths of the Lebanese population during WWI.

I did medieval lit at uni in the 1980s, so I read some crusader chronicles, and books like El Cid; and I knew about the battle of Poitiers, too. Believe me, since I was born in the 1960s and had a soft spot for oppressed peoples, I applauded the indigenous Spaniards' getting their country back from the evil Muslim imperialist invaders and occupiers. (I didn't agree with what the Spanish did to the Jews - but I agreed, totally, with what they did to the Moors, i.e. booting them out). Doing 19C English lit and learning about Lord Byron taught me that the Greeks had a war in which Christian Greeks got rid of oppressive Muslim Turkish overlords. I shed no tears for the Turks - I saw their defeat and expulsion as long overdue.

At the same time I was reading G K Chesterton - e.g. 'The Battle of Lepanto'. It taught me by what a narrow margin 'Christendom' was saved from Muslim tyranny, on that occasion.

In the 1990s I encountered a description of the devshirme, in a well-researched historical novel, and was horrified.

Somewhere along the way, but certainly well before 9/11/2001, I read the Quran, and pegged it as a disturbing and incoherent cult text, right up there with the Moonies and their ilk, only much more violent.

All along, since the Bible told me the land of Israel was the Jewish homeland, I simply did not believe johnny-come-lately Muslim Arabs claiming it had always been theirs.

Way back when - early 1980s? - I knew about the Law of Apostasy, because I'd read two books written by ex-Muslim women who'd become Christians and had their whole family turn on them with murderous intent. A bit later on I read Stephen Neill's "History of Christian Mission", which included an account of the Muslim invasions which destroyed the North African church and reduced the churches of Egypt, Byzantium and Persia to a persecuted remnant. Neill wrote a devastating account of the destruction of Constantinople in 1453, "when the most beautiful church in Christendom became a mosque". No, I was not ready to believe tales of Muslim 'peacefulness' and 'tolerance'. (That does not mean I had any rosy illusions about English or Spanish imperialism - just that I knew the difference between the Koran and the Bible. I knew that the Bible critiqued imperialism whereas the Koran commanded and glorified it).

Reading 'Nine Parts of Desire' and 'Not Without My Daughter', or Waris Dirie's 'Desert Flower' told me things about Islam's oppression of women. Reading Burton's translation of several books of the 'Thousand and one Nights' told me a lot about the fatalism and superstition and occultism of 'folk Islam'.

Since I am a Christian, I was also getting information directly from people who had lived and worked in Muslim countries - in Indonesia and Pakistan. I had always known about the violent persecution of Christians in Muslim lands.

And I was worrying about Muslims getting their claws on atomic weaponry long, long before 2001.

All I've done is 'join the dots'. When I re-read the Quran recently, and when I read Spencer's "PIG to Islam and the Crusades" and noted its sources and its impeccable scholarship, everything I knew already, clicked into place. I realized that I had good reason to be concerned.

There are probably many of us posting here who could tell stories of steadily growing, and focusing, awareness, that are not unlike mine.

Sometimes I wish these jihadi fuckers were actually skilled and organized enough to do something big enough or damaging enough to make a difference. I apologize.

Many others have mentioned this in the past, but I'll reiterate it to support jay's assertion above - there is nothing irrational about the fear of Islam.

Also, more to the point - if a majority of people - both here and abroad, indeed worldwide, knew what we know about Islam and acted accordingly, none of us would be fearing anything. More than 'Islamophobia', I fear and loathe the Infidels who enable that behavior by acting like Islam (and Islam driven Muslims) are not the enemy. It's like the rest of the population is a bunch of Gandhis.

I would concur with both Infidel Pride and Jay above. The term Islamophobia is now being casually used in everyday conversation as though it wasn't the misnomer it actually is, but as something that is trying its best to become soaked with underserved prejudice and used as yet another weapon in the ever expanding global Jihad arsenal.

It puts the cart before the horse to just make the assumption that if we fear the tenets of Islam then that fear must somehow, in its own capacity, be irrational - as though Islam were automatically above any kind of reproach; personally, I find it offensive to be called Islamophobic out of hand. We could at least be asked "Are you Islamophobic or do your fears have a rational foundation?" The misuse of this term can only be by either the uneducated or the misleaders amongst us (to detract from the real and very rational arguments extended against the violence and intolerance we find in Islam and, of course, to marginalise those who use those arguments).

When we hear the term 'Islamophobia' (or any of its derivatives) we should immediately become very wary of the person using it! Our hackles should rise immediately. Its misuse provides a decent litmus test about the agenda of those misuing it - Self (West) loathers? Jihad supporters or apologists of Islam, or possibly just an uneducated ignorance of the proper use of the term...and surely they cannot all plead ignorance?

"A Muslim civil rights group today...... said the "war on terror" won't stop terrorists."


.....do they know something we don't?.....

As it became quite apparent that WWII was coming to a close and that Germany was gonna take a horrible pounding, a Colonel in the Wehrmacht came to Joseph Goebbels (Propagandaminister) and asked him how in the world the NAZIs were going to be able to explain the death camp, and Goebbels said:

"15,000 dead is a tragedy. 10,000,000 dead is unimaginable. No one will believe it. If you tell a big enough lie, people will not see it as a lie."

So, Ahmanutjub is simply part of the BIG LIE.

"And in those last days, all the world will believe a great lie"

Right, everybody, the term "Islamophobia" is a misnomer and we shouldn't use it anymore. As I asked yesterday, what CORRECT term can we come up with to replace it?

"Pythagoras" suggested "Islamosavvy." What do you think?

Hey People - what about "Islamoloathia? !!!! And, of course, one who adheres to the above philosophy is an "Islamoloathe!"

"NOTHING" promotes islamophobia more than the teachings of the FALSE PROPHET moe-hammad.

"Islamoscepticism" seems to offer the idea of a more reasoned approach to being anti Islamic. It at least removes the extremely objectionable concept that rational oppposition to Islamic viewpoints is merely the inevitable consequence of a problem with the individual's pathology; the product of a diseased mind. Phobias need to be cured don't you know?

I'm not Islamophobic, I'm an Islamosceptic...and the supporters and apologists have yet to convince me that Robert Spencer's analysis (among others) is, in any way, wrong.







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