About time. By Helene Cooper for the New York Times (thanks to Doc Washburn):
WASHINGTON, July 26 — During a high-level meeting in Riyadh in January, Saudi officials confronted a top American envoy with documents that seemed to suggest that Iraq’s prime minister could not be trusted.One purported to be an early alert from the prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to the radical Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr warning him to lie low during the coming American troop increase, which was aimed in part at Mr. Sadr’s militia. Another document purported to offer proof that Mr. Maliki was an agent of Iran.
The American envoy, Zalmay Khalilzad, immediately protested to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, contending that the documents were forged. But, said administration officials who provided an account of the exchange, the Saudis remained skeptical, adding to the deep rift between America’s most powerful Sunni Arab ally, Saudi Arabia, and its Shiite-run neighbor, Iraq.
Now, Bush administration officials are voicing increasing anger at what they say has been Saudi Arabia’s counterproductive role in the Iraq war. They say that beyond regarding Mr. Maliki as an Iranian agent, the Saudis have offered financial support to Sunni groups in Iraq. Of an estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters who enter Iraq each month, American military and intelligence officials say that nearly half are coming from Saudi Arabia and that the Saudis have not done enough to stem the flow.
One senior administration official says he has seen evidence that Saudi Arabia is providing financial support to opponents of Mr. Maliki. He declined to say whether that support was going to Sunni insurgents because, he said, “That would get into disagreements over who is an insurgent and who is not.”
Indeed it would.
"He declined to say whether that support was going to Sunni insurgents ...."
.....surely the Saudis are not sending financial aid to the beseiged Christians.....
Anyone would think that the Saudis are an enemy?
How could we think this of the sole slave market in the world? Of the public beheaders and amputators? Of the source of 95% of the world's madrassa funding? Of the source of the virulent wahhabism? Of the source of the Bush retirement fund?
Could it be that the fools in washington have removed their greentinted, oil paid glasses?
There are fools; there are greedy fools; there are stupid, greedy fools; and there are politicians who think themselves statesmen, all the way to the bank.
Saudis get up to all kinds of things.
"Saudis financed terror in Kosovo"
July 26, 2007 - Confidential reports by the Central Intelligence Agency have found that a prominent Saudi banking family, Al Rajhi, is a major financier of jihadist activities in Kosovo and Bosnia and their bank, the Al Rajhi Bank, is the most favored bank by the world's extremists to funnel money for violent Muslim activities across the globe.
"There is no reliable estimate of how much the Al Rajhis have given to promote Islam over the years," assesses the Wall Street Journal after examining the secret CIA documents and concludes that the "overseas money went to aid embattled Muslims in Kosovo, Chechnya and the Palestinian territories and to finance Islamic instruction."
http://www.serbianna.com/news/2007/02078.shtml
What shock and surprise that these Saudi bastards who fund about 80% of the mosques in the West, and also feeding and supplying our enemies !
Every single imam in America should be scrutinized and vetted and approved before their lying taquyya laced yaps begin jawing.
Are we crazy ?
CAIR is a mouthpiece for and funded by the Saudis here. They must be noised as a foreign govt mouthpiece and licensed as such. Why do we let them run on without tagging them ?
We gave these Saudi bastards petrodollars - surely we can take it all back.
islam is a troublesome cancer in the world, a cancer that can be cured by getting rid of this ideology and its jihadis.
Those officials had better be careful, lest Riyadh cut off their lobbying money.
repeat after Bush:
the saudis are our friends...
the saudis are our friends...
the saudis are our friends...
We need to put someone like Rep. Tom Tancredo into Executive Office duties so that we no longer 'voice frustration' with how hard we're being sodomized by the Saudis.
The sad news is that no matter what the saudis do for the next 18 months, the hammer will not fall on them. To bush, they're our eternal friends. And if he has shown anything over the past 6 1/2 years, it's that once he forms an opinion about something, it never changes, no matter how much evidence or how many facts pile up against it. hell, he probably still thinks he saw deeply into putin's soul & saw a decent man.
BTW, the Al Rajhi bank was the subject of the lead article in yesterday's WSJ.
"U.S. Officials Voice Frustrations With Saudis’ Role in Iraq"
You mean our friends, and staunch allies, the Saudis?
The Saudi's are up to no good, always have been, and they always will be. Bush could placate them easilly. Just pass around a bunch of hugs and kisses to Bandar and the folks. Permission to build a giant mosque, a huge golden dome, complete with a tall minaret, on the White House lawn, would go a long way toward bettering relationshps with our Saudi friends. It would be better if Bush not whimper in front of any Saudi's, he should just look Bandar right in the eye as he hands him the deed to the property, and a building permit. Then they can hug and kiss some more to seal the deal...
It's about time! Now how about not only doing something about them, but telling them we are tired of them pushing wahabbism, and their brainwashed imams (whose primary duties are pushing jihad) and jihadists, on the rest of the world!
Remember all those placards: No Blood for Oil? Well, since we've spilled enough precious American blood in Iraq due to some delusional concept of "freedom" for a Muslim country and what have gotten for all of it: no cheap oil, no control of the oilfields, nothing so far but contempt. What if we had spilled that same prescious American blood for the oilfields of Saudi Arabia? At least we could say we got something in return for our dead...
How can people like the Bushes, Baker, Clintons (think of all those handshakes and meetings with Arafat), et al. sleep at night?
Quote:"How can people like the Bushes, Baker, Clintons (think of all those handshakes and meetings with Arafat), et al. sleep at night?"
Study 19th century capitalism. A huge bank account is the perfect soporific, as well as an excellent editor of dreams and superficial cleanser of souls. The poor need heaven as the rich have found it upon the earth.
A politician only differs from a hooker because he is more expensive and because he sells his soul not his....
How about the Saudi role here in the U.S.?
Saudi Arabia is an enemy of the West.
I loath Saudi oil. I pray that we open our reserves. But,think for just a minute, what would happen if we walked out and abandoned middle eastern oil today, this minute.
1. 75% of our gasoline supply would cease immediately with no option for replacement for years into the future -- and no means to develop alternative sources. Travel to jobs would cease. Transportation of all goods would cease. Agriculture would cease. Our entire economy would instantaneously collapse plunging us into a depression, famine, and emasculate our ability to defend ourselves.
2. Plastics production would cease in the United States along with all of the attendant products.
Perhaps,to some, it seems so reasonable to think that our situation is about "oil company profits", or that "Bush's retirement account" is a consideration, but realistically, it is our way of life that is wholly dependent on those psychopathic, stone-age thinking, would-be studs in nomad's dressing gowns.
We can't abandon our deal with the devil (literallly) in the middle east until we have viable alternative sources for fueling (literally) our economy.
Saudi Arabia is a country which is well known for the exploitation of its roughly 6 million foreign workers. It is a society that is at the heart of Islam. I don't know why we continue to consider this monstrous society an ally. Recently, I read the poster Natasha's comment in which she asserted that more should be made of this Imperialistic abuse of foreign workers. She's right. This is an apartheid society (not Israel). Why should anyone expect anything but deception from a society where deception and injustice is systemic, Islamic.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36319
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/5.html
Remember they told us: It was 19 Saudis with box cutters that did 9/11.
Remember this from G.Bush : You are either with us, or your with the terrorist.
So, who do you suppose the Saudis are with?
[Not Rhetorical]
Remember they told us: It was 19 Saudis with box cutters that did 9/11.
Remember this from G.Bush : You are either with us, or your with the terrorist.
So, who do you suppose the Saudis are with?
[Not Rhetorical]
BTW, notice how the bourgeois left is silent on this issue, and how predator bourgeois apologist types (Armstrong, Esposito) are silent whereas JW is not silent on the issue of Saudi Arabia exploitation of foreign workers. Make no mistake of it, a lot of the Armstrong-Esposito silence is based in their privileged backgrounds (Armstrong is a pseudo-independent-life-long-institutional-flunky who pretends to herself that she is a "feminist"). Spencer is the son of a man who fled Turkey to make sure his family lived and had opportunity. Armstrong-Esposito are flunkies. It's not just Muslims that bow to the Imperialist-Exploitation-Machine in Saudi Arabia.
The silence on the exploitation of the foreign workers in Saudi Arabia must end. Saudi Arabia, the entire imperialist-patriarchal-exploitation-deception machine of Islam must end.
repeat after Bush:
the saudis are our friends...
the saudis are our friends...
the saudis are our friends...
While we're at it, we might as well repeat:
al-Malaki (and his Iranian buddiess) are our friends...
al-Malaki (and his Iranian buddies) are our friends...
al-Malaki (and his Iranian buddies) are our friends...
What possibly made Bush think we could go into Iraq and trust anyone to both (1) command the allegiance of the people and (2) share our vision of democracy and human rights?
The saudi soviet states are doing good just to stay intact...they're commencing payoff money so the terrorists do their bidding elsewhere (meaning kill everyone else but them, especiall;y infidel westerners)...that's how it's supposed to work to them...and it's even proving to be less and less effective.
We're simply not ready to cut off all ties to strategic interests...yet...but that's slowly changing. (Saudi used to be #1 oil importer, they now vary between #3 & #5, since their oil is heavy-sweet, not light-sweet, with which most of our refineries are geared for light, and we're weaning off their tentacle more so each day)
Now if the collaborators, who know what we're trying to do (and doing their damnedest to stop even that, since they want America to fall anyway, yet blame their political enemies for the same damned thing they themselves are doing-recall the narcissism discussion thread), get the hell out of the way, we can cut all ties by years end.
But they won't allow that...their master that owns them doesn't want that, so it's not going to happen...and once again, they can get a free pass blaming their political enemies for their own political gain, and to hell with American security...as long as they can sit in that oval office chair again, they don't care what the price is.
Those who think that Bush is the only American President..or for that matter, politician who is, or has been, bought off by Saudi Arabia..are simply dreaming. They have congress in their pocket too..with only very few exceptions. This is why they are untouchable and will remain so.
Now, Bush administration officials are voicing increasing anger at what they say has been Saudi Arabia’s counterproductive role in the Iraq war.
No, what their increasing anger is about is having been played for suckers by the Wahabis and, ftm, after having spent 30 or more yrs at State and Central Intelligence as Arabists with degrees from fancy finishing schools, the scales are finally falling from their eyes to see what the lack of common sense wouldn't let them see: the unitary nature of the Ummah, the pan-Islam force of Jihad, an organic grouping using PetroDollars to propel themselves to Global Sharia.
Suckers.
Ok, what is wrong with Saudi involvement in Iraq ?. This is fantastic news.
I say, "Bring it on". The USA should entrust some of the policing duties to the Saudis and quietly
withdraw American troops from harm's way.
That way the American people get to be happy, the false islamist propaganda gets blunted & best of all, the Shia-Sunni rivalry becomes a full-blown
intra-islamic war with Saudi vs Iran.
And the Saudi military has lots of mercenaries from Pakistan !
The sentence: "...America’s most powerful Sunni Arab ally, Saudi Arabia."
Is clearly a ghastly joke. I don't know how such a sentence could be published in serious, responsibe media.
THE PLAIN TRUTH IS:
Saudi Arabia is the root and the trunk of a fat, malignant tree. Islamic terrorism, including Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Hamas, are just small branches of that fat tree.
One day, soneer of later, we will have to deal with that tree and cut its trunk and dig out its roots and burn it all. Until no trace is left of the malevolent tree, mankind, civilization, will not be able to breath.
THE PLAIN TRUTH IS:
Saudi Arabia is the root and the trunk of a fat, malignant tree. Islamic terrorism, including Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Hamas, are just small branches of that fat tree.
Posted by: rocky at July 28, 2007 2:42 AM
.. and for this, Americans should hold their lying, corrupt politicians accountable. This is the least Americans can do after making the fatal mistake of electing a rich, corrupt, spoilt brat to the white house. Result? stalled 9/11 commission, blacked 9/11 report, safety-flight to Bin-Ladens, increased (you read it right.. increased) students visas to Saudis, legislation barring linking religion to terror, sensitivity training to FBI and CAIR approved programs. Add all that up and you have a terror-friendly (with a self-defeating 'War on Terror') US administration.
Now, who do you blame more, Saudis or US politics?