In saying that, Wafa Sultan, the hero of Al-Jazeera, refers to Qur'an 9:111, which promises Paradise to those who "kill and are killed" for Allah.
"Warning to West on 'evil of Islam,'" by Richard Kerbaj for The Australian (thanks to Sheik Yermami):
THE West was still underestimating the evil of Islam, an influential Muslim thinker has warned, insisting that Australia and the US have been duped into believing there is a difference between the religion's moderate and radical interpretations.On a two-week "under the radar" visit to Australia, Syrian-born Wafa Sultan secretly met both sides of federal politics and Jewish community leaders, warning them that all Muslims needed to be closely monitored in the West.
In an interview with The Australian, Dr Sultan -- who shot to recognition last year following an interview on al-Jazeera television in which she attacked Islam and the prophet Mohammed -- said Muslims were "brainwashed" from an early age to believe Western values were evil and that the world would one day come under the control of Sharia law.
The US-based psychiatrist -- who has two fatwas (religious rulings) issued against her to be killed -- warned that Muslims would continue to exploit freedom of speech in the West to spread their "hate" and attack their adopted countries, until the Western mind grasped the magnitude of the Islamic threat.
"You're fighting someone who is willing to die," Dr Sultan told The Australian in an Arabic and English interview. "So you have to understand this mentality and find ways to face it. (As a Muslim) your mission on this earth is to fight for Islam and to kill or to be killed. You're here for only a short life and once you kill a kafir, or a non-believer, soon you're going to be united with your God."
Dr Sultan, who was brought to Australia by a group called Multi-Net comprised of Jews and Christians, met senior politicians, including Attorney-General Philip Ruddock, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and Labor deputy leader Julia Gillard.
[...]
"That's why the West has to monitor the majority of Muslims because you don't know when they're ready to be activated. Because they share the same basic belief, that's the problem," said the 50-year-old, who was last year featured in Time magazine's list of the 100 most influential people in the world.
[...]
But while she considered the prophet Mohammed "evil" and said the Koran needed to be destroyed because it advocated violence against non-believers, Dr Sultan struggled to articulate her vision for Muslims, whom she said she was trying to liberate from the shackles of their beliefs.
"I believe the only way is to expose the Muslims to different cultures, different thoughts, different belief systems," said Dr Sultan, who is completing her first book, The Escaped Prisoner: When Allah is a Monster.
"Muslims have been hostages of their own belief systems for 1400 years. There is no way we can keep the Koran."
What could one conceivably add? What more needs to be said? The rest is filling in the details.
"Muslims have been hostages of their own belief systems for 1400 years. There is no way we can keep the Koran."
How does anyone propose to get rid of the koran? They kill over anyone even hinting that it gets flushed. I know this sounds humorous but seriously, with the serious brainwashing that goes on even here in the USA with islam/koran, I don't see how one can get rid of it.
I wish there was some way we could use satellite technology, beam some of our own brainwashing rays on mostly muslim countries, and see what happens. I say it couldn't hurt.
She has a long row to hoe, , The Islam has been hijacked is still a very popular position to hold, indefensible and inaccurate, but wildly popular.
That is not getting rid of the Koran by far! They Are hostages of their own beliefs... believe that
It says kill or be killed,, no one was killing them!...till they started killing everyone!
Wafa Sultan has already warned us about Bush: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962
"I believe the only way is to expose the Muslims to different cultures, different thoughts, different belief systems," said Dr Sultan, who is completing her first book, The Escaped Prisoner: When Allah is a Monster.
Possible but that isnt working in Eurabia.
How does anyone propose to get rid of the koran? They kill over anyone even hinting that it gets flushed. I know this sounds humorous but seriously, with the serious brainwashing that goes on even here in the USA with islam/koran, I don't see how one can get rid of it.
Saudi does a good job with every other faith.
Dr Sultan "struggled to articulate her vision for muslims".
What?
Am I missing something here?
What rubbish.
Wafa Sultan is the most articulate person I have ever seen, when discussing the islamic evil we all face today.
A brave, intelligent and very articulate lady, without a shred of a doubt.
"I believe the only way is to expose the Muslims to different cultures, different thoughts, different belief systems," said Dr Sultan, who is completing her first book, The Escaped Prisoner: When Allah is a Monster.
-- from the article above
Here is one of those details: working first to educate Infidels, so that a sufficient number of them in positions of power clearly understand the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics of Islam, so that efforts at appeasement and "integration" of Muslims into societies which, in their basic principles, are flatly contradicted by Islam, will fail.
And then, beyond the political and journalistic groups, those who are to protect and instruct us, ever-widening groups of citizens. And make sure that in every encounter with Muslims, that new knowledge, and new implacable attitude, are not hidden from view, but self-confidently displayed.
What effect will this have on Muslims? It will madden many. So what? They have already been taught to spread Islam, to subdue Infidels, to remove every obstacle to the imposition of rule by Muslims, and are prepared to use what instruments at the time prove most effective. Furthermore, they have never been put in a position where they are forced to look at, to confront, the history of Islamic Jihad-conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims. Make them do so. Force them to do so.
And make them look -- because Infidels will not for one minute let them forget -- at the way in which the basic doctrines of Islam, and the figure of Muhammad, have worked themselves out in history. If there is despotism and corruption all over the Muslim lands, make sure they understand that it is Islam itself that locates political legitimacy in the will expressed by a whimsical Allah, as revealed in the Qur'an, and glossed -- for most Muslims -- by the Hadith and Sira. If there is economic paralysis in the Muslim lands , despite the ten trillion dollars received since 1973 alone by ten Muslim members of OPEC, and if the few Muslim states that have some economic development have it either because, though Muslim, they have for a long time been living with the systematic constraining of Islam as a political and social force, as in Turkey, or with a sufficient number of non-Muslims to provide the essential element for economic development, as in Malaysia, or to provide a kind of modernizing and civilizing effect on the local Muslims, or some of them, as has happened because of the large Christian presence in Lebanon.
And do the same with social, moral, and intellectual development. Try to persuade Muslims to learn history, including the history of early Islam, and how it developed, and what was the real story of the Qur'an -- in other words, subject Islam to the same treatment that Christianity and Judaism were subjected to by the practice of the Higher Criticism.
The most primitive people will not stand for it. But others will, and will begin to think -- some may have already begun to think, especially if they are non-Arab Muslims and can first have their minds opened a bit by appealing to their understanding, pointing out to them how Islam is, and has always been, a vehicle for Arab linguistic, cultural, and other kinds of imperialism. Intelligent Persians, Indonesians, even some Pakistanis, will not be able to deny the truth of that assertion, and who knows -- some may be in a mood to look back to their pre-Islamic pasts, national and personal.
But it starts with the Infidels, and what they know, or are capable of learning, and understanding.
Ever notice that its women leading the charge in challenging Islam?
"I believe the only way is to expose the Muslims to different cultures, different thoughts, different belief systems," said Dr Sultan.
Think about it:
What culture, what thoughts, what belief system exists which might lure Muhammadans away from their monstrous cult of Muhammad?
1) A godless, hedonistic culture?
2) Judaism? (good luck getting membership)
3) Hinduism? (pick an idol, any idol)
4) Zoroastrianism (say what?)
5) Scientology (another "ology")
6) Christianity (He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. ~ Colossians 1.13-14)
You are so right, Elric. Dr. Wafa Sultan, Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish - who are others?
There is nothing else to say but that "Islam is evil" and that "Muhammad was evil".
There can be no compromise with evil.
Islam must be banned, and Muslims given a choice to leave or renounce Islam.
Every mosque must be destroyed.
Until the comes that Islam has 'moderated' itself, i.e., when churches and synagogues can be built in Saudi Arabia, Islam must not be allowed to be propagated in the US.
Ethelred
Absolutely everyone is so afraid to put islam/muslims in a bad light that I don't see this happening. TV, new - yep, even Fox news, are just way to such a thing. They are so afraid of their saudi prince's money drying up that they won't touch it. And then there will be the threats of violence/murder against anyone who does such a thing. Look at Theo Van Gogh when he tried to bring to light the plight of muslim women - he got murdered. What I have also read is that some who put out the cartoons also were murdered in Italy.
I don't know - it does seem like the only way to get all this across is via the TV - and make sure to pipe it into muslim lands and where they are migrating in hordes.
You are so right, Elric. Dr. Wafa Sultan, Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish - who are others?
Posted by: darcy at August 20, 2007 2:08 PM
A Turkish ex Muslim woman fighting the Colonge Mosque. Cant remember her name. It was posted on LGF a few days ago.
Our Hindu commenters-- and there are several-- deserve more respect than that.
And, I don't know quite what you're getting at with Judaism, though a close friend of mine had no problem converting a few years ago.
Lastly, this is, of course, a non-sectarian site.
"Lastly, this is, of course, a non-sectarian site."
-- from Marisol, above
Emphasis added.
@MarisolJW
I am not putting down Judaism or Hinduism. My personal guru is Sri Aurobindo. He is the Einstein of Religious Philosophy. His book "Essays on the Ghita" moved President Wilson's daughter to leave the White House and move to his Ashram where she remained until her death. I too would have moved heaven and earth to sit in the dust of Sri Aurobindo's feet. I have read and re-read the Bhagavad Ghita constantly! Swami Prabhubada and Swami Dayananda are also beloved to me, though none compare to Sir Aurobindo.
But I ask again:
What culture, what thoughts, what belief system exists which might lure Muhammadans away from their monstrous cult of Muhammad?
@ Ynkedoodl2
Satanism? Nazism?
Latest Message to United States citizen jihad watchers:
We are in the middle of the seventh day of posting this request at Jihad Watch, and we are up to 44 volunteers. Florida is now in the lead with 6.
I'm looking for at least two people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase a copy of Robert Spencer's Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't and mail it to one of the senators in your state. I'm organizing an effort to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message.
If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the House of Representatives.
If you’d like to be involved, please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading “Senate,” and tell me the state your senator represents, an email address where I can reach you, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.
And visit www.jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I’ll try to update the list at least once a day. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.
Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.
Right before each of us mails the book, we can issue a press release to various media outlets in every state, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.
One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the anti-Jihad caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick to maximize its effectiveness. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to go about this. And I'll soon contact Regnery, Robert Spencer's publisher, to ask their advice and to see if we can coordinate with them in some way.
Come on! Who ya gonna' believe, some Islamophbe or the President of the United States of America?
In the President’s Words: Respecting Islam
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html
"Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace."
"America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality…."
"Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind."
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."
"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."
"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."
"…. I have a hope for the people of Muslim countries. Your commitments to morality, and learning, and tolerance led to great historical achievements. And those values are alive in the Islamic world today. You have a rich culture, and you share the aspirations of men and women in every culture. Prosperity and freedom and dignity are not just American hopes, or Western hopes…."
"According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."
"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace
"All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil."
"I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion…."
"The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends…."
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace…."
GOD I hate "npr"... now they're doing a hatchet job on coal. ASSHATS!!
SO.. where will npr get the electricity to power their propaganda blasts??!!
They are like a train wreck.. horrible but impossible to look away from. And they need to be monitored by independent-minded people.
They want us to depend on ME oil I am sure.. so as to aid their clients, the 'palestinians'...
@Elric
You get your cake and eat it too!
"How does anyone propose to get rid of the koran?"
It wouldn't take a law or an act of Congress. It would require a miracle. My only thought is that, if it were legal, it could be removed from all library and bookstore shelves. Disallow (is that a word?) online sales delivered to the US. Stop all printing of it, in the US.
Beyond that, though... Nothing short of a truly fascistic law could legitimize the collection of the Qur'an from private owners.
Then, too--many men have memorized the hateful thing.
Do we really want to get rid of it? It provides most of the few insights we have into the mind of the pious Mohammedan. We might be shooting ourselves in the foot.
Banning books sets a dangerous precedent, in law--
especially in our perverted multicultural society. Ban the Qur'an, and the Bible, the Bhaghvad Gita (my apologies to my Hindu friends for my spelling), the Talmud, etc. would follow. Must maintain the image of moral equivalency, and all that.
Bless Dr. Sultan.
Should we hold public readings of the koran first ?
Until we do, killing jihadis is the best course of action.
Bombing Iran wont hurt either.
Come on! Who ya gonna' believe, some Islamophobe or the President of the United States of America?
In the President’s Words: Respecting Islam
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html
"Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace."
"America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality…."
"Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind."
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."
"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."
"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."
"…. I have a hope for the people of Muslim countries. Your commitments to morality, and learning, and tolerance led to great historical achievements. And those values are alive in the Islamic world today. You have a rich culture, and you share the aspirations of men and women in every culture. Prosperity and freedom and dignity are not just American hopes, or Western hopes…."
"According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."
"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace
"All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil."
"I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion…."
"The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends…."
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace…."
"warning them that all Muslims needed to be closely monitored in the West.""
.......well, just duhhhh.....
Sorry for the OT above, but the constant pushing of "carbon" this that and the other when JIHAD against us IS the ONE MAJOR THING tht threatens our survival makes me SICK!!
I call npr many many names..
n.asty p.alestinian r.hetoric is only one of many.
n.aked p.ro-jihad r.adio is another..
More propaganda from peeh ahhhr iiihhhhh.. they're giving a softball interview to a so-called "sanctuary church" leader..
lawbreakers get the red carpet treatment on n.onsense-p.rattling r.attlesnake-radio..
They need to be subject to the Fairness Doctrine since THEY are PAID for with MY money and with YOUR money!!
Charles, thanks for those quotes. They are surreal. Wafa Sultan is 20 times the man GWB is. I'm actually giving him too much credit here by calling him a man.
What could one conceivably add? What more needs to be said? The rest is filling in the details.
Posted by: Hugh
Your word in G-d's ear.. The thing that is left is to get the MASSES to understand this stuff. And we have to get it into the numb skulls of our elites.
Is there an OUNCE of intelligence in John Edwards??!
On the other hand I think that Hitlery knows the threat but is unprepared to act on her better knowledge.
What will Rudy do? He's our only hope because he has a chance to win the White House.
With a Dhimmicrat in.. we will see more "Camp David" and more terrorists visiting the White House..
So.. I may have to contact traeh and suppoirt his effort to get this into the ears of our politicians. Good luck since I live in the Socialist Republic of NYC..
"Muslims have been hostages of their own belief systems for 1400 years. There is no way we can keep the Koran."
Truth....
I believe the only way is to expose the Muslims to different cultures, different thoughts, different belief systems
Muslims have been exposed to other cultures, thoughts and belief systems for centuries. Their reaction has largely been to try to conquer them. This is true even when afterwards they attempt to preserve those cultures, as they did with ancient Greek writings, etc. But in many cases, they disdainfully look upon the pre-islamic cultures as "darkness".
No reason someone can't receive a new relevation............
Mohammed never said he was the last prophet - his followers claimed that, but not God's Messenger.
The war with Islam is best fought by Muslims. They have the most to lose.
That is her only flaw in her arguement. Islam has a 1400 year history of invading and conquering other cultures. Not once, has it siad" wow, this culture is so much better, they have freedom, science, democracy"
One Third Britons Believe: 'You can't be British AND Muslim'...
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/08/one-third-brito.html
"Muslims have been hostages of their own belief systems for 1400 years. There is no way we can keep the Koran."
We can educate the Western masses and those Muslims wanting to be liberated and outlaw the kkkoran! is this a pipe dream to do we have to wakeup to see Western cities destroyed by iranian nukes and or slowly destroyed from within. l know there is too much fightng spirit in the West, particularly in the US to allow the freedoms guaranteed to be taken over by the liberal left islamic appologists, either way we need to rid the world of the kkkoran.
I tend to disagree with many of you. Destroying books doesn't cure religious problems. Anytime some mentions destroying books I tend to think of Nazi Germany anyway.
No, I think we should distribute the Koran to all the citizens of democratic nations and educate them on the Religion of Peace™.
Show them how Muhammad has those who insult him assassinated and how he led slaughter after slaughter against the Kafirs and lets see how they try to justify those PEACEFUL actions.
It is in our ignorance of the Koran etc. that this misconceptions seems to fester.
Take note on how the imam treated her after he asked her if she was a heretic. And that along with being a woman - he just ignored her. This is what we should be expecting when we start about changing islam - it won't be done unless it comes from within - no matter how much we rant about it.
Zena, how can we be guaranteed what you say? I see schools appeasing muslims all the time - children dress as muslims (I wonder how far asking the kids to wear a Jews skull cap, or Christian cross would go!), colleges require koran being read (wow, let them whisper that the Bible should be read - and the ACLU will be right there fighting it!), the FBI are called if a ham sandwich is flung at a muslim kid, the mosques get our homeland funds because they are so well versed at claiming victimhood while the government actually gives it to them, two counts of felony are pressed when someone flushes a koran, a muslim takes the oath of office on a koran which states that muslim's first allegience is to islam and not to the office/country that he represents and that he should kill us, etc.
I just name a few. One kicker is in Europe when I read that the Dutch should say allah instead of God. Europe's appeasement is sickening. But, we have a very huge appeasement policy too. We don't want to offend - even though they are not required to tolerate us, or apologize that their koran tells them to hate us, call us pigs and offensive, and want us dead or underlings to them.
I don't know - don't underestimate what we are up against here.
@ R Not
You cant change Islam. To change Islam into a religion that is peaceful and tolerant is to destroy it.
Let's get a comment on this topic comment from the guru of goebbels himself...douggie hooper.
Forget the fact this can be used to throw right back in his hypocritical unindicted co-conspiratorial face, he's eerily silent when it may catch him with his pants down...like...right now.
"(As a Muslim) your mission on this earth is to fight for Islam and to kill or to be killed"
From the womb to the grave.
The least a person should learn to know just what islam offers the world is what it sends it's people to do,kill themselves in the act of murder,something NO other religion on earth condones.And teaching thier kids from the second they are able to learn that killing themselves in the act of murder is all they have to aspire to.That is all thier lives are worth.The cleric in Jordan not so long ago told the Palistinian people the same thing.
Hugh is correct nothing else needs to be said.
Except to those who think the Resistance against Islam is all overblown then i ask where are your kids and what are thier future plans and are you ready to wish for thier death and suicide?And thier children?
Here is where islam shows it's most vilest and evil intent, what it teaches it's children,the fruit from the tree of Islam.
Then you add the threat of death for questioning it or leaving it and it adds the element of pure evil.Pure naked and uncovered EVIL.
"No reason someone can't receive a new relevation............ Mohammed never said he was the last prophet - his followers claimed that, but not God's Messenger. The war with Islam is best fought by Muslims. They have the most to lose."
Posted by: tanstaafl
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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.
From Muhammad's mouth (since he was illiterate) to your ear (via his hand puppet, Allah, and, of course, the istinjaa-performing crusted fingers of his scribes).
Muslims have had their chance to fight this war (14 centuries and counting).
"That's why the West has to monitor the majority of Muslims because you don't know when they're ready to be activated. Because they share the same basic belief, that's the problem," said the 50-year-old"....from headline.
Privacy advocates will be reeling in pain over this statement; but it's true, every Muslim needs to be placed under a microscope -- our very lives depend on it.
"(As a Muslim) your mission on this earth is to fight for Islam and to kill or to be killed"....from headline.
Pretty clear who has started this fight. My mission is to put a STOP to YOUR mission.
Instead of banning the quran, we should be distributing Robert's book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)". It's an awsome book that sheds light on Islam that even the weakest mind can understand.
It's my favorite book so far!
R_not there is one way which l believe Robert hopes to teach the West the truth about islam. once informed we can start the democratic procedure of not having to tolerate the "untoleratable". Looking at history l dont have much hope for a peaceful way of changing our ways. Humans like water run the easiest way until they have no choices but an all out war such as what happened with the start of WW2. The positive aspects is that now we have tools from the "interent" to talk radio where people can be reached and learn the truth about islam.
you just have to look at how the US people helped stop the "immigration bill" from being passed. People were informed and knew this bill to be a big lie, there was really no immigration cure,but a full amnesty for illegals and no real border control. So as it is with JW it reaches the masses, books written by authors such as Robert reaches the masses, and lastly just talking to your family, friends, people at work, the word can get out, and hopefully a World War can be avoid. All good soldiers would rather avoid a war, but then Good Western Soldiers do not want to let their country and culture go down to dictatorships such as ideologys of islam. We need to unite to fight this great enemy of mankind, the left has to wake up to the fact that you cannot tolerate the "untolerateable" aka islamists.
Charles, thanks for those quotes, proving beyond all doubt that there lurks a supreme moonbat in the White House (and, yes, I almost threw up all over my keyboard whilst reading that).
R_not:
How does anyone propose to get rid of the koran? They kill over anyone even hinting that it gets flushed. I know this sounds humorous but seriously, with the serious brainwashing that goes on even here in the USA with islam/koran, I don't see how one can get rid of it.
We start by asking Muslims again and again awkward questions. And we keep asking them for their answers. And lies will not be tolerated.
Questions like:
1. Their repeated invasions of Europe.
I am tired of hearing about Christian Imperialism without any hearing anything about Muslim Imperialism which was far more sustained, over longer periods and wiped out other cultures.
2. Why we should allow Mosques being built in the West if in Islamic countries, Hindu temples, Christian churches cannot be built.
3. That present-day atrocities in islamic countries are held to account.
And warnings to the UN Nations should not be vetoed by the Islamic bloc.
4. That present-day atrocities in islamic countries are held to account.
5. That various teachings in Quran, Hadith & Sira are repeatedly challenged. We should not allow one lie to go unchallenged. Particularly when they talk about the Jews.
6. That Muslims account for why citzens in thier their countries are unhappy, live unfulfilled lives, there is much corruption. In Saudi Arabia much of the youth are unemployed. Bright women gain a University degree and then do... nothing.
7. Many Muslims are ignorant about Islam. I have met 2 Muslims this week who had never seen the Sira. We should educate them about the dark side of Islam.
Gradually it will get to the point where Muslims know they have done wrong in the past and what their religion teaches them. Then we are in the position to throw the Quran away.
We don't need to destroy books. We need to destroy Muslim visas.
Islam defies logic...
Islam demands blind obedience...
Islam destroys brain cells...
Islams days are numbered!
Wafa Sultan's visit to Australia is great news. Let me tell you exactly why.
First: she met with 'both sides of federal politics'. We have a federal election coming up in about 3 months. It would be great if we knew that BOTH major parties were on the same page re. Islam. At least, now, neither has any excuse for ignorance. They have both heard the Bad News, right from the horse's mouth.
Second: Australia is a small country, media-wise. In print media we have one nation-wide paper, the Australian, which is where this piece appeared. The same paper has already given Ayaan Hirsi Ali a platform, and favourable coverage. Because the 'Australian' is read country-wide by most educated people, you can rest assured this article about Ms Sultan has reached a high percentage of our population.
And we have six state capitals, each of which has its own paper. And that, folks, is it. Out of those six, I know that the Sydney Morning Herald ran Stephen Crittenden's very favourable review of Spencer's book on Mohammed, so the SMH (owned by the Fairfax group, rival to Murdoch who owns the Australian) is starting to 'get' it also. If BOTH Fairfax AND Murdoch decide Islam is A Clear and Present Danger, then all bases are covered in the print media at least (and they are online, too).
The Muslim spinmasters are hard at work, of course, trying to play the victim card and to dismiss any and all opposition to Islam as being 'racist'. But Ayaan Hirsi Ali and now Wafa Sultan can't be accused of being racist, since one is an African and the other is an Arab!
It's easier to turn a small ship than a big ship - I think with a bit more education from the likes of Ms Sultan, plus the efforts of those of us who've read Spencer et al, Australia could switch quite suddenly from blindly ignorant tolerance of Islam to intelligent and resolute opposition.
In the early 1980s I bought a Quran from my local bookstore and read much of it. I found it very negative, and I can distinctly remember how 9:29 struck me, so I memorized it. Meanwhile, I joined Americans for a Safe Israel, and Herb Zwiebon, the director, explained to me, that the Arabs wanted to destroy Israel because Israel refused to accept dhimmi status. That seemed very consistent with the Quran, so I started writing letters to the editor on a regular basis.
The years passed. 9/11 happened. Robert Spencer came along, essentially someone who came to the same conclusions I did, but in a more thoroughly erudite manner, and able to communicate it more widely. I'm amazed that more people haven't gone through this simple process of elemental examination after all the water under the bridge.
I think that to triumph in this fight, the Muslims themselves, as Wafa Sultan has done, have to understand and free themselves, but that process will go a lot faster if we all help.
... an influential Muslim thinker has warned, insisting that Australia and the US have been duped into believing there is a difference between the religion's moderate and radical interpretations.
Islam may not be interpreted, so I don't know what this influential hair-bag is talking about.
Islam may only be accepted or rejected. If you accept it, then you may only be a radical Moslem, cuz Islam by its very scriptures is radical, very radical. The nearly 1,400 yr history of Moslems bears this out.
The notion of a moderate Moslem is laughably absurd.
* 2:61 * 2:64 * 2:96 * 4:41 * 4:47 * 4:55 * 4:160 * 5:13 * 5:41 * 17:7 * 5:59 * 59:2 * 88:1 *
For my part, I reject Islam.
You may not have heard of Zoroastrianism, but most Persians have. If they chose to jettison Islam for something else, that's the #1 candidate. And ridding people of Islam is a project more important in dar ul Islam than in bilad ul Kafir.
You probably know this, but idols in Hinduism are representative of Gods, not the Gods/Goddesses themselves. Much like the Cross represents Christ, but no one except Muslim retards thinks that Christians are Cross worshippers when they pray in their churches facing a Cross.
Scientology - for all its faults - doesn't call for the evisceration of all non Scientologists, or for women to subjugate themselves to men. Therefore, even L Ron Hubbard's eccentric philosophy should appeal to any Muslim with a real conscience.
Like Marisol pointed out, people don't have trouble converting to Judaism. Heard of Madonna?
And for #1, a Godless hedonistic cult, how would that be worse than Islam, where the only difference would be Allah/Mohammed? Also, would such a cult necessarily have a Jihad like geopolitical ideology embedded within it?
The point is this: Islam is violent and coercive. It is the only major religion which preaches domination instead of brotherhood.
I'm amazed that more people haven't gone through this simple process of elemental examination after all the water under the bridge.
I liken this phenomenon to having the answer under a layer of thin ice. The answer to the riddle is there for the taking, right there under 3 inches of ice. The willfully ignorant must stop skating the Dance of Denial, get down on hands and knees, peer through the clear ice, and do four things:
1) Read the Koran.
2) Read the Sunnah.
3) Read the Islamic histories as written by Moslems.
4) Think.
* 2:61 * 2:64 * 2:96 * 4:41 * 4:47 * 4:55 * 4:160 * 5:13 * 5:41 * 5:59 * 17:7 * 59:2 * 88:1 *
I joined Americans for a Safe Israel, and Herb Zwiebon, the director, explained to me, that the Arabs wanted to destroy Israel because Israel refused to accept dhimmi status. That seemed very consistent with the Quran...
I'll go ya one better: antisemitism is one of the most basic foundation stones of Islam.
It musta really burned Mohammed when the Jews of Yathrib were kind enough to help Mohammed and his band of original Moslems when they arrived there penniless and hungry.
Then, as Mohammed saw that the Jews could read, and the wealth the Jew were generating with their farming, their crafts, their inventiveness and hard work...
... he fell into a paroxym of murderous jealousy. As have all antisemites before they decided to murder Jews.
After a few one-off Jew murders in Yathrib, and a couple of grand larcenies, first at Banu Qaynuga, and then at Banu Nadir, Mohammed knew it was time for a mass murder of Jews, and so in Banu Qurayza he did just that.
When will Tim Russert or David Broder mention these undisputed facts on Meet the Press?
Give this asshole what he's preaching about others doing--- death and martyrdom. Give it to anybody who espouses the same crapola.
Dr Sultan's ideas on addressing the problem of the islamic menace just simply wouldn't work unfortunately.
Exposing muslims to different thoughts, different belief systems and different cultures, quite simply wouldn't work.
Are they not exposed to these things already?
Can they not see that these things exist already?
It is precisely these things that they hate and despise so much, which then leads them to murder and to try and destroy the very same.
Exposing muslims to anything other than islam would be akin to putting a silk jacket on a pig.
It would, at the end of the day still be a pig no matter how you looked at it.
This is the seriousness of the evil menace we all face.
I would strongly suggest addressing the rulers of Saudi Arabia (yes, the birthplace of islam) and put a stop to the billions they spend all over the world in their relentless campaign to propagate wahabbism globally.
They should be held to account for spreading islamic extremism all over the world and yet we do nothing about them.
Why is this so?
This is shocking if you think about it. That they know they're on planet earth, I mean.
What's more, Ken, so many Muslims can't see, despite having been exposed to other cultures, the commection between Islam and their own misery.
Wow! This is one Very Smart Lady!
To me, she is a worthy replacement for the late, great Orianna Fallacci as the true 'Leader of the Free World'!
Jewdog,
Agreed.
But they always, always play the victim card.
It's our fault!
Can a Muslim be an Islamophobe, too?
One can only hope.
I think that to triumph in this fight, the Muslims themselves, as Wafa Sultan has done, have to understand and free themselves, but that process will go a lot faster if we all help.
Posted by: jewdog
jewdog, you have posted out here often and eloquently. The task of getting Muslims to free themselves is daunting, and something that has not happened, in a significant way for the last 1400 years.
But I am wondering how effective we can be to help this process when our own house is so severely divided. I am referring to the Left, which has embraced the cause of Islam either through aspirations to enhance its own political power, a deluded world view, or plain stupidity, take your pick. I am picturing Speaker Pelosi in a burkha, kissing up to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I listen to the anti semitic philosophy of a former president, Jimmy Carter. I watch mainstream media apply moral equivalency to Palestinian acts of terror and Israel's acts of self defense.
What is more difficult ... to pry Muslims from the jihadist movement, or Leftists from being useful idiots for Islam?
Islam will be destroyed by women.
Women have the least to hope for from Islam. In an all-Moslem universe, women would form the permanent underclass, to be abused or neglected as their husbands, fathers or brothers see fit, their worth as a human being fixed forever at exactly one-half the worth of a Moslem male.
Women such as Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others who have experienced Islam from the inside out but are now done with it will serve not only to wake up the still sleeping masses in the West, they will serve as role models to women who had never dared hope for anything like freedom before in their lives. And for every defector from this diseased state of mind, just a little more sanity becomes possible. And the word gets around.
When Moslem women understand that they need not submit to such abuse, Moslem men will either change or the demographic tidal wave will turn out to be a popped bubble.
What is more difficult ... to pry Muslims from the jihadist movement, or Leftists from being useful idiots for Islam?
Posted by: Paleologos at August 20, 2007 8:41 PM
Your question isn't addressed to me but I think it boils down to a dead heat. The leftists will always defend the "persecuted minorities" because this practice gives them a purpose in life and makes them feel compassionate and special. It also compels said "persecuted minorities" to vote for multicultural, politically correct liberals, who will empower them and cater to their special interest demands. Left-wingers will always be useful idiots for some diabolical agenda that they never understand until it's too late because they're too busy playing saviors of the world and touting their contributions to social justice, equality, and their divine magnanimity.
The bleeding heart left-wingers would never question the dogma of moral relativism because to do so would require making moral judgments about incongruous and inferior cultures and religions. Life is infinitely less stressful when one unconditionally embraces leftist group think instead of independent thought and reality. In that regard, muslims and leftists are soul mates.
While we try to convince others of the dangers of islam and muslims, the leftists passionately defend their own (and our) mortal enemies. But willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming and irrefutable evidence against islam and muslims is criminal. They are welcome to perish in the name of political correctness but they have no right to endanger the rest of us with their idiocy.
What Islam brings:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5474006551011489413