Audrey Hudson reports in the Washington Times about CAIR's ongoing attempts to be taken off the unindicted co-conspirator list. CAIR is crying "Islamophobia" at the highest levels now, claiming that the disclosure of the unindicted co-conspirator designation was "the vindictive attempt of the government to smear a group which has been critical of the government's actions in aggressively and selectively prosecuting Muslim groups or persons."
So you see, if the government would just stop prosecuting Muslims, and drop CAIR's unindicted co-conspirator status, everything would be hunky dory -- except for the nettlesome fact that Islamic jihadists would have a more or less free hand. Isn't it funny how so many of CAIR's initiatives seem to end up with exactly that result -- most notoriously the Flying Imams' suit against air passengers who reported their suspicious behavior. But CAIR is evidently more concerned about the imams' hurt feelings than about the safety of both Muslim and non-Muslim air passengers from Islamic terror attacks on airplanes. If CAIR is truly a moderate group, it is at very least a singularly inept one. These guys are veritable Keystone Moderates.
The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) says it is suffering from a decline in membership and fundraising and blames the Justice Department for listing it as an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving a charity accused of terrorist ties.CAIR is asking a federal judge to strike it as one of the more than 300 Muslim groups listed as unindicted co-conspirators in the government's case against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, which is currently on trial in Dallas.
"The public naming of CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator has impeded its ability to collect donations as possible donors either do not want to give to them because they think they are a 'terrorist' organization or are too scared to give to them because of the possible legal ramifications of donating money to a 'terrorist" organization," CAIR said in an amicus curiae brief filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas.
The brief cites reporting by The Washington Times about the organization's declining membership — coverage that CAIR had previously denounced as a "hit piece."
The Justice Department shut down the Holy Land Foundation and in 2004 indicted several of its top officers who are accused of raising $36 million from 1995 through 2001 for organizations and persons linked with Hamas, designated as a terrorist organization by the Clinton administration in 1995. The foundation raised $12.4 million after the designation that made such fundraising illegal, prosecutors say.
The 42-count federal indictment accused the foundation's officers of conspiracy, providing support to terrorists, money-laundering and income-tax evasion.
On May 29, the Justice Department made public a list naming 307 unindicted co-conspirators — including CAIR — in the case now being tried in the Dallas courtroom of U.S. District Judge A. Joe Fish.
"The name of CAIR has been smeared by association with a criminal case that ostensibly involves the charitable funding of a 'terrorist' group," said the brief filed last week.
The brief says federal prosecutors had no legitimate governmental interest in publicly releasing the names of CAIR and other unindicted co-conspirators. "Instead, the disclosure is the vindictive attempt of the government to smear a group which has been critical of the government's actions in aggressively and selectively prosecuting Muslim groups or persons," CAIR told the court.
I praise "the government's actions in aggressively and selectively prosecuting Muslim groups or persons. . ."
It's about f-ing time.
Who the hell SHOULD the US Gov't be pursuing ? ? ?
I wish the Feds would crank it up about 20,000 notches
see CAIR, see cancer
I hope that the US Govt continues to be "aggressively and selectively prosecuting Muslim groups or persons" becuse islamic jihadists are aggressively and selectively killing hundreds of people each month. Who will be next, you, me, who?
An Open Letter to CAIR Operatives
Dear Mr Ibrahim:
CAIR says that it is suffering the decline due to the fact that Justice Department lists you as an un-indicted co-conspirator.
Firstly, perhaps if you came public about your denunciation of Hamas and Hezbollah *by name*, people would take your words seriously.
Secondly, so what if your membership is declining? What are the arab sheiks for, if not to keep those petro-dollars coming?
Thirdly, do you honestly think that using the canard "We are loosing people" will make the Justice departmenet change it's mind?
Next time say "We are loosing the funds we usually use to combat the jihad ideology prevalent in mosques, and the funds we use in seminars wherein we try to spread among Muslims a diferent understanding of the Qur'anic verses terrorrists use to recruit peaceful Muslims. (Bob's wording)
Now, mr Ibrahim, I don't promiss sucess, but perhaps the american people would see that you are doing your part to stop islamic-terrorrism
Cordially,
Crusader
"Keystone Moderates"
Trade mark that one.
Dare we hope that in the fullness of time CAIR will graduate and enter the ranks of indicted co-conspirators
The fact that they name themselves the Council for American-Islamic Relations indicates that they do not view themselves as Americans. I wonder why that is.
It's only a matter of time until they sue the Justice Department
The project that JW poster traeh started (sending Robert Spencer's latest book to all 100 senators) has inspired me to do something similar, especially after a guilty verdict is announced in the Holy Land Fund case. I hope to get enough people from here, and other forums, to send champagne to the Investigative Project. Truly, it was Steven Emerson and his team that first busted the Holy Land Fund for sending money to Hamas. Mailing address is here: http://www.steveemerson.com/contact.php
Only after a guilty verdict is announced though.
Sorry Off topic:Position of the left on the plight of Iranian women:
"Ignore the Iranian women's Plight": A Case For Doing Nothing by Laura Secor
From dawa to jihad - the various threats from radical Islam to the democratic legal order
"The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) says it is suffering from a decline in membership and fundraising and blames the Justice Department for listing it as an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving a charity accused of terrorist ties."
Decline in membership because all the members are being imprisoned for terrorism charges.Or being killed in thier duty to Islam over seas.
A decline in funding because what the house of saud was doling out is now being used for legal fees.They realize failure when they see it,and they see it a lot.
Blames the Jiustice dept......well because it's always someone elses fault.
As for the UNINDICTED CO CONSPITATORS TO TERROR title they made thier bed,got caught and all the racist and bigot and islamophobe charges won't change it.Even if it were retracted tomorrow from now till the day i die CAIR WILL BE UNINDICTED CO CONSPIRATORS TO TERRORISM.The only way it will change is if it's changed to INDICTED CONSPIRATORS TO TERRORISM.
lol @ topic header
Well, taken literally, they're right.
REAL justice (something islamists are loathe to) DOES stand in their way...and we all hope it will continue to do just that-stand in terror's way.
Leave it to the Washington Times to point out the lies in CAIRs "amicas brief".CAIR denounced the Washington Times when their article was written reporting CAIRs loss of 90% of its membership, now CAIR uses that same article in a desperate attempt to be removed from a list of unindicted co-conspirators in a terror trial.
CAIR is pushing hard to get "unindicted co-conspirator" removed from their name because they are finished politically if they don't.Reliable liberals like Senators Boxer and Schumer already shun CAIR the rest of Washington will do the same (except Keith Ellison).Soon the HLF conspirators will be convicted and after that CAIR will be forever linked with them.CAIR will have been outed as terrorist sympathizers and their carefully crafted image as a moderate muslim organization will be stripped away. Most of the MSM won't care but they'll be radioactive among Washington politicians.Of course if the allegations about CAIR are untrue then CAIR could clear their name by immediately denouncing Hamas and Hezbollah publicly by name while also opening their offices and books to inspection by the justice department.Otherwise CAIR can join the ranks of other unindicted co-conspirators like Osama Bin Laden, Sheik Yassin,Ali Al-Timmi, Richard Nixon and John Murtha (Abscam).
Loss of membership for CAIR will slowly choke off their money supply... unless Saudi supporters ratchet up the oil money flowing their way, then even if their membership drops to zero, they'll still be filing law suits against anyone who opposes their quiet sharia jihad. Bravo for Justice! We need more of this.
Arrest this crybaby already!
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/hooper-baby.jpg
This group should be rounded up and placed in prison under RICO statutes. It's seditious and should be shut down.
If the government's accusations about CAIR are "baseless" then let CAIR prove its innocence.
CAIR is a rotten, anti-American organization of Saudi and UAE manipulated sock puppets.
"...possible donors either do not want to give to them [CAIR] because they [elusive "moderate" Muslims] think they [CAIR] are a 'terrorist' organization or are too scared to give to them because of the possible legal ramifications of donating money to a 'terrorist" organization...."
I missed the problem in all of that.
CAIR either did what Justice said they did, or they didn't, and CAIR should be focusing on proving they didn't if they want the designation removed. Consequences incurred by a guilty party are generally designated "deserved". Would they prefer to be formally indicted as co-conspirators so that they could prove their innocence?
"However, in the brief filed in Dallas, CAIR three times cites The Washington Times article as evidence the organization was damaged by its designation as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case — although the article covered membership losses before prosecutors publicly made that designation."
"This negative reaction by the American public can be seen in the decline of membership rates and donations resulting from the government's publicizing of CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator," reads a sentence on page 10 of the brief."
Bullshit, blokes. The American public has had a low view of CAIR long before their designation by the federal government. What a collection of mullet losers, this CAIR.
America is NOT the Middle East or any other part of Islamia. If the Council of American-Islamic Relations' lobbyist-whores and terror-mongers have a problem with that they are more than welcome to board a plane for a oneway trip to the Islamic hellhole of their choice anywhere in the world. I am certain even the Prop 13 folks won't object to seeing their tax dollars used to help America rid itself of Islamic terror fomentors.
Awwwww..Poor islamo-nazis. At this time, we should start the violins, right?
Right.. the violins to the Funeral March...
The bible says---"God is not mocked, whatsoever a person sows, that and that only is what they shall reap'.
The world says this way---"What goes around, comes around"
Reap it, CAIR, Reap it!!
We have continuously watched as this group of wolves who try to portray themselves as innocent victimized sheep. CAIR has attempted to moderate its image over the years since 9-11. The organization has even promoted a petition entitled "Not in the name of Islam," which, in part, states,-- "no injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people." Of course, the question must be posed, what is the Islamic definition of innocent? Since the Qu'ran repeatedly makes the claim that Jews, and Christians are damned to hell-fire, isn't it likely that CAIR's definition of innocents is left vague at best and and that never gets answered. The truth is that CAIR remains a fundamentalist Islamic organization that adheres to all Islamic tenants defined in the Qu'ran. . Most people do not realize that CAIR's Islamic supremacism and arrogant comments hold disturbing implications for America. --We remember CAIRS Chairman at the time Omar M. Ahmad who told a crowd of Muslims in San Ramon, California in 1998 that "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran .. . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
CAIR co-hosted an event in May 1998 at which an Egyptian militant Islamic leader, Wagdi Ghunaym, called Jews the "descendants of the apes."
CAIR responded to the arrest and conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman.
Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.: CAIR Disregarded his conviction for attempted murder, CAIR declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him.
. When President Bush closed the Holy Land Foundation for collecting money he said was "used to support the Hamas,", CAIR complained his action are "unjust" and "disturbing." The FBI's former chief of counterterrorism, Steven Pomerantz, concluded that "CAIR, its leaders and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups."
Here are some other comments by CAIR officials:
• Omar M. Ahmad (CAIR chairman) says suicide bombers "kill themselves for Islam" and so are not terrorists.
• Nihad Awad (CAIR executive director) proclaims his "support" for Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist group.
• Ibrahim Hooper (CAIR spokesman) declares, "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."
Do you see an application of the Smith Act here? Do you see any act of sedition here? When will the justice department get tough and dust off these laws that I believe so aptly apply to many involved in this organization who tries to intimdate any who choose to use their first amendment rights such as Robert Spencer, the John Does' in Minneapolis, and even a radio legend, and icon like Paul Harvey.
"CAIR blames Justice for its troubles"
Love that title. If CAIR ever gets justice they will be in real trouble.
"I thought this was not just an attack on her as an Arab, as a Muslim, but this was an attack on our community as a whole," said Sara Said Alkhulaidi, originally from Yemen, but now living in Brooklyn."
Someone seems to have deleted my post.. I ***LIVE*** in NYC.. I've been subject to asshats in taxis and in private cars trying to run me and friends down.. i KNOW who they are!!
i do NOT appreciate to be robbed of my voice!
I LIVE in New York city!!
I LIVE on the FRONT LINE of the WAR of TERROR [speak islam] AGAINST US!!!
I am SICK of being censored and denied my voice!
Shall i move to North Dakota so I will become "kinder and gentler" whwen it comes to PISSLAM??!!!
Look what's happening in Australia after Wafa Sultan came on a secret visit and met with the government (and even some rep's from the opposition)
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/22/islams-unholy-alliance/
It's only a matter of time until they sue the Justice Department. Posted by Occupant
I don't think so. CAIR already backed out of the Anti-CAIR lawsuit because discovery would air out the dirty laundry. These slugs have so much to hide that they dare not sue anybody, especially the Justice Department.
oh, tsk tsk tsk - you mean they are having a hard time using our laws against us?! It must be hard to be a muslim - having to hate all the time, having to figure out how to kill us all the time, and gee, they have no idea what to do - the big Mo didn't tell then what to do in this case... oh whoas me!
their membership is dwindling, they are being met with resistence in the first stages of their jihad against us how can they ever figure out how to proceed to the next step if their 1st steps are not going as mohammed planned it?! What is a good, little muslim terrorist to do?
ITALY: MUSLIM TRIES TO WALL UP STATUE OF THE MADONNA
(ANSAmed) - LECCO, AUGUST 21 - A Muslim immigrant triggered a northern villagés ire today by trying to wall up a local statue of the Madonna. The immigrant recently moved in to a new home in the village of Casatenovo near Lecco but was unhappy with the Madonna perched on an alcove outside his lodgings. Armed with a trowel and a bucket of cement, the immigrant moved in to action today, seeking to entomb the statue. The Madonna was rescued at the last minute by a group of angry villagers, who took her away saying they would find an alternative site. But local Mayor Antonio Colombo said the Madonna should be returned to her original resting place.
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/22/selected-muhammedan-transgressions-update/
Are you aware of the "Muslim Day Parade"?
http://www.icna.org/icna/icna-news/icna-ny-cosponsors-22nd-annual-muslim-day-parade-2.html
CAIR blames Justice for its troubles
And I thought it was RS who was causing them problems.
Mackie...I am waiting for the Feds to 'rediscover' the Smith Act.
Allahfanculo...sorry you are having these problems.
I have had posts deleted in the past, but I usually know why. Generally it's because I got carried away and broke the rules of propiety. Sometimes I run over propiety with a Mac truck.
I did not see the posts you are refering to, but you don't usually crash your truck here. So just keep on posting. Dont't get bent and quit. You don't seem to be banned, so keep on truckin, so to speak. Your opinions have value, so keep em comming. If a few get deleted once in a while, just consider it a cost of doing business...have a good one...
Great pic, sheik!
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/hooper-baby.jpg
Muslim day parade with a cast of thousands.
Not only that but the 22 annual. They have been having these parades for 22 years and no one seems to know about it? I would like to attend, but I would be out of place dressed in my WW2 Nazi uniform.
Dougie Hooper should know, since he was born American, that Justice pursues criminals, muslims included. I wouldn't expect all of the muslim thugs that run CAIR to understand how the American justice system works, but Dougie knows. Muslims aren't exempt from being arrested and tried for ties to terrorist organizations; in America that is illegal. I know that terrorism and terrorist charitable organizations are part and parcel of the islamic infrastructure throughout the world and are considered legitimate by muslims, even muslims that are American citizens but not real Americans. Too bad guys; islam does not call the shots here so get used to it.
Dougie can try as hard as he wants to impose Sharia in America as a front man for Wahabbi fanatics and Hamas. It will never work, Dougie, NEVER! Did you think your little scam would last forever? Did you consider yourself and your Wahabbi pals above the law? Did you think your Saudi benefactors' money would pave the way for your multi-facted jihad agenda in the country you have betrayed in so many ways? You should go there and promote your noble cause because we don't want it and we don't want you and your muslim terrorist-supporting colleagues in this country. You and your so-called "muslim civil rights" cabal that exists to subvert our laws and create chaos, confusion, endless litigation, discord, and the dissemination of lies and propaganda can all go straight to the Magic Kingdom or hell; take your pick. They're equally idyllic. I do believe your islamic advocacy organization cover is blown and your tireless work to destroy America has been exposed. You're finished here so move on.
Your incessant and sophmoric accusations of "racism" and "islamophobia" are hackneyed and boring, not to mention totally baseless. Remember, this is AMERICA and we do not live under the archaic, blasphemous asininity of islamic law and never will. I pray you will soon be an indicted co-conspirator and that you and your cohorts are tried, convicted, and either sentenced to prison or deported to the Magic Kingdom. I would prefer that you all go to Wahabbi heaven where money flows like water and everyone happily and piously lives under the umbrella of allah's tyranny, no litigation allowed. That is where you belong, living the desolate life you want to foist on us. I eagerly anticipate the joyous day I can wish you bon voyage and good riddance.
Isn't that just like them! Never once while they are skating along collecting all this money have we gotten a thank-you or a show where all this money went to. Instead they turn on you then the instant you do not jump when they say!
Are they even appreciative of what has been given to them so far. Proves their agenda! They are the islamistphobe! Their psst because they can't spread it and must contain it! Must be hard! Go home! Finally we can get on with what needs to be done. We don't CAIR about CAIR!
I'm glad to read that CAIR is having problems!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, ADL director Abraham Foxman officially, for the first time ever for the ADL, acknowledged the 1915 Armenian massacre as genocide. As a result, Turkey has threatened to cut ties with Israel.
Partly, the ADL did it to preserve Jewish unity. It also was the decent thing to do.
...do you remember in 2004 when Israel assassinated the terrorist Ahmed Yassin,who
was the co-founder (with Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi) and the spiritual leader of the militant Palestinian Islamist organization of Hamas,[1] originally calling it the Palestinian Wing of the Muslim Brotherhood..
I remember reading this:
"CAIR has now made its feelings known on the death of Hamas terrorist Ahmed Yassin. CAIR, of course, condemns Israel for the killing of Yassin, and calls Yassin an "Islamic religious leader." Wait ... it gets more ridiculous than that. CAIR says that the international community has to "take concrete steps to help protect the Palestinian people against such wanton Israeli violence"
....it is well known that Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are extremely violent Muslim organizations responsible for the deaths of many thousands of innocent people...
....in this one cry of support for the terrorists CAIR firmly established in my mind just who they support....yep...the terrorists....
...CAIR has made many such pleas for supporting terrorists....
....proving CAIR has terrorist relationships and loyalties is easy to prove....
...I hope they go broke and end up with zero membership, they have proven they are anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-peace, and they have proven they are liars....
...I pray our Government never concedes anything to groups like CAIR...I hope we keep indentifying other such groups and the names of all individuals affiliated with such groups....Moderate Muslims, if there is such a thing, and those Terrorist Muslims who do not wish to be discovered just yet, are beginning to avoid CAIR and CAIR-like groups because it draws attention to their real goals...the domination and death of all NON MUSLIMS...and that means you....
Ban Muslim Immigration...
(Pelayo - that was jest)