Note the personal smears, the attempt to bully and intimidate, and the non-specificity of the charges against me (they can't be specific, because I don't say anything inaccurate about them -- or about Islam or jihad).
Note also the irony: this letter comes a day after CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper slandered me on national television by ascribing to me hateful words written by someone else -- which appeared on this site for about an hour, during which, lo and behold, someone at CAIR was watching.
I was speaking to Jason Mattera, a YAF official, who told me that I was scheduled to speak as planned: "CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.”
My own reply to CAIR: remember McAuliffe at Bastogne.
It's amazing that they're using their lawyers to stifle free speech. In fact, the lawyers are breaking the first amendment by writing.
I wonder if YAF have got grounds to sue CAIRs lawyers over such a letter?
Robert,
Make sure to bring up the fact that one unmoderated comment calling for genocide was posted on your site for a short time until it was deleted, but yet miraculously Hooper was using it as an attempt to slander you by attributing the comment to you the very same night on CNN.
It should make for a great opening story and really set the tone for what CAIR really is.
CAIR pfft,why in the world does this pro-terrorist group still exist in the USA?
oh no you're going to expose radical Islam for what it is,better start shaking the legal sabres.
qft laffo @ CAIR
CAIR's bullying tactics and threats disgust me!
This is real intimidation.
I wonder if this constitutes slander or libel? They are trying to prevent Robert Spencer from doing his job and earning a living.
Wow! What a bunch of Idiot's I think they are fighting for there existance.
Robert is backed with facts - CAIR Nothing but Slander and lies...
Robert, they've called you a purveyor of bigotry and hate, and they've accused you of having a history of false and defamatory statements, both of which are lies. Ever consider a legal first strike?
They've done to you exactly what they're accusing you of. The big difference is that you're not a liar nor an unindicted co-conspirator in anything.
Oh !
CAIR backed a "fatwah".
That's alright then!
No problem.
Nothing happening here, move on...
I am so glad YAF's attitude is 'Bring it on' lets hope they dont backtrack.
"remember McAuliffe at Bastogne"
NUTS!!!
I'm proud to work for the man who drives CAIR nuts (speaking of Bastogne...).
This weblink shows the legal firm that defended the DAVID Project, Steven Emerson, etc., against Islamic Society of Boston:
http://www.davidproject.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=234&Itemid=102
Perhaps the law firm of "Jeffrey Robbins, Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky and Popeo, P.C." could be persuaded to deal with other Islamist law suit issues and the YAF could have them give CAIR a call about the threatening letter by CAIR.
What kind of attorney sides with these Islamic terrorist-supporters?
Are they muslim converts; ACLU leftists; or just money-hungry?
Whatever the case, they are on the side of the Islamization of the U.S..
Robert, this is truly harassment in the worse form. If anything it is CAIR who is creating a hostle work enviroment for you to do your job and another way to intimidate.
More sCAIR tactics.
worldwatcher: A lot of lawyers will do anything and work with anyone for a price.
Greetings:
Here's the lawyer's website: http://www.sandlerreiff.com/
Feel free to contact them.
Fatwah!
Just Amazing! CAIR is trying to stifle speech that HASN'T EVEN BEEN SAID YET!
I'm not usually wearing a smile when I read reports on JW. It's a little hard to stop smiling right now.
I'm sure the unindicted co-conspirators in a terrorist case are not happy. They know that they may be indicted at some point in the future. Meanwhile, maybe the Flying Imams are singing to the FBI about the fraud they got themselves involved with via CAIR and are about to make a deal that will keep them from prison. (I"ll bet the Sky Marshals on that musical chairs flight took plenty of video.) Maybe CAIR and the Flying Imams can find a new line of work as the Singing Imams...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-360964657751533687&q=chipmunks+sing&total=940&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
May CAIR's 72 virgins all look like Yasser Arafat.
chsw
If Hooper is uninterested in the truth of his comments, let the word be known: taquiyya, the practice of communicating with incomplete honesty, to mislead.
If CAIR is seeding this site with defamatory content that can be quoted, let the word be known: desperation.
We're on to you, Mr. Hooper.
You should respond with a lawsuit!
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
Look for CAIR to post an inflammatory and hate filled 'genocidal' comment on this board, take a quick screen print of it before its deleted, and then use that print in a 'hate speech' lawsuit.
And CAIR - you should know that 'the discovery process can be a real bitch' if you have skeletons in your closet....
Good to see tha YAF isn't going to go Dhimmi for CAIR.
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
So, are they going to respond to CAIR's threatening letter? Or do I have to wait and see until later today or tomorrow?
I guess I was wondering how can anyone respond to such a letter as that when the event hasn't even occurred yet and when the letter itself is defamatory?
Oh, did anyone hear the squeak made by them being against any fatwa that was issued? I guess my guinea pigs squeaked louder than they did and I missed it.
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
In fact, you should put this letter up and highlight every civil rights violation threated by this dhimmi flunky.
Robert, the second paragraph is clearly libel and defamation of character. Surely, this is actionable against both the attorneys and their clients. Please do it!!
CAIR should be sued for defamation.
Robert,
They can't handle the heat so they want you out of the kitchen. Crybabies.
Don't sweat em.
And we're behind you for the long haul. Obviously they are not interested in the truth; rather, they just want to try to shove their wicked and evil agenda down our throats. The same was a lie 1400 years ago and remains so.
Tell it like it is.
(and that lawyer ought to be tried for treason and conspiring with the enemy! Civil liberties, huh? What about the civil liberties of the victims of 911?)
Don't get me started....
Wow.
Robert, you have gotten into their heads. These people are well afraid of you. Your message is powerful, and their only defense is to rant about unmoderated comments on JW, some of which are admittedly extreme, but not from JW itself, clearly against the overall spirit of the website, and in no wise worse than Muslim world propoganda.
Christians believe that "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." The truth has oddly enough turned everyone at CAIR, and Ibrahim Hooper imparticular, into a robertspencerphobe.
And by their logic, into racists.
Robert,
They can't handle the heat so they want you out of the kitchen. Crybabies.
Don't sweat em.
And we're behind you for the long haul. Obviously they are not interested in the truth; rather, they just want to try to shove their wicked and evil agenda down our throats. The same was a lie 1400 years ago and remains so.
Tell it like it is.
(and that lawyer ought to be tried for treason and conspiring with the enemy! Civil liberties, huh? What about the civil liberties of the victims of 911?)
Don't get me started....
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
I read this about CAIR defaming Mr. Spencer: http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/01/cair-agit-prop-hooper-confirms-islam-is-an-ideology-not-a-race/
Take note of the little jpeg pic at the bottom of the article - the Capital Building distorted to look like a mosque (key word = distorted).
I like how CAIR "demand[s]" that YAF cancel your appearance, Mr. Spencer.
What a wonderful, freedom-loving bunch of people over at CAIR.
Please do tell us how things turn out at your talk tomorrow. Include video if possible.
About J. E. Sandler
http://www.sandlerreiff.com/bio_sandler.htm
Also, Mr. Spencer, do you know if your event tomorrow will be taped? I think everyone at JihadWatch would love to watch it, if possible.
What was that quote again?.....
"We defend the 1st amendment everyday" - Ibrahim Hooper
CAIR is very interested in protecting freedom of speech...
Oh, this is rich!!! LoneRanger, above, gave the link for Mr. Sanders, CAIR's lawyer.
According to that site, it turns out this turncoat ALSO works for the DNC!!! That's Democratic National Committee!!! Yup, the nation's Democratic party! "From February 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Sandler served on the staff of the DNC as general counsel. He continues to serve in that position through his law firm."
Oh, my!
Somebody call Fox News!!!
Lawyers are replacing lab rats in many scientific experiments.
1.) There are more lawyers than there are rats.
2.) Lab staff do not get attached to lawyers.
3.) There are some things you just can not get a rat to do.
I propose bomarding these legal weasels with emails till their in boxes become jammed up. Nothing threatening, just telling them what Dhimmis they are for representing CAIR.
Wonder how many menbers CAIR really has? Wonder where CAIR gets its funding? Wonder if Joseph Sandler is being paid by someone other than CAIR? Wonder how much scrutiny CAIR will be able to stand? Will they be sorry that they've opened this can o'worms?
It's always either a Muslim convert or a leftist that's defending Islam. Any money-hungry lawyer that defends Islam or Islamists are usually in one of the two catagories as well.
This brings us back to the Leftist 5th column that is siding with the Islamic terrorists here in our own nation.
Exactly what do the leftists think they will gain by siding with the Islamists? Do they really forget what happens to leftists and atheists under Sharia Law?
Congratulations Mr. Spencer. I salute your courage and your achievements and someday I hope to make a similar contribution to this effort. Until then, thank you for the huge difference you continue to make.
May your future be merry and CAIR-free.
If there were any lingering doubts about CAIR's agenda, I think this dispels it. This should make its way to all the public news outlets.
Sincerely Joseph Sandler. Wonderful. Another left-wing Jewish useful idiot working for the destruction of his own people. Just like Hooper. Can't they find a muslim lawyer? Or is the irony of using a Jewish lawyer irresistibly more delicious to the islamists?
What would DC Watson do?
Wow! They do hate you Robert! I guess their hate comes from the truth you said about muslims, no wonder, the truth is hard and painful to those who try to omit or hide them.
I wonder, when will CAIR stop harassing Robert?
ps: Robert, keep up the great work, I spend more time in your site than any other site!
I am glad you posted the letter for all to see. Reminds me of the defiance you nonDhimmis showed here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dfguzjUoCoI
Keep it up Robert.
When is this march on DC?
My first reaction? bwahaha!
I stand with Jason Mattera: Bring it on, islamo-nazis!
To Robert:
you go in there and make islamo-fascists sweat of embaressment.
To Cair:
How long do you want to go on pretending that you represent the Muslim population? They don't care jack about you.
Secondly, what are you so afraid of? Tell you what: you bring someone to defend Islam, and Robert will be there to do his part. Deal?
Stop sending flaming arrows from afar. Get off your high horse, and engage Islam-critics about the elements within Islamic-theology, as understood by all schools of jurisprudence, that fuels terrorrism.
Come on now, Hopper. You are a big guy. Put your money where your mouth is.
It was at first going to be "Us surrender? Aw, nuts" or something like that but the officers convinced McAuliffe to just send the "Nuts" reply back.
Hell if you are in it deep you might as well have a sense of humor. A good laugh keeps the spirits up...
Then they had to explain it to the English challenged Germans what it meant which of course is .... "Go to Hell".
Get ready for a CAIR style attack! Field Marshall Hooper is having a fit (You know stick a Nazi uniform on him and he could play the part too) Keep your head down and keep the artillery mobile! Oh yea a little prayer for better weather would not hurt either...
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests".
Wow, this line wouldn't go amiss in some Godfatheresque screen flick.
I suppose knowing a lot of kidnappers does have its uses in drafting out ransome notes.
This letter should be printed and circulated to all the members of Young America's Foundation.
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"The above comments do not in any way reflect views held by Mr Robert Spencer and he should not be held responsible for them in any way, shape or form. The implication of this poster (Hermit) that CAIR is somehow linked to an organisation akin to mafia and some other unspecified bunch of kidnappers is purely down to this poster's poor grasp of islam and is not indicative of the general purpose of this website".
***
I couldn't help noticing that one of the professed missions of CAIR is to enhance understanding of Muslims. I wonder if they realize just how successful they have been.
I also find them quite entertaining. I always get a hoot out of Hooper ! I wonder if he realizes just how ridiculous he seems.
Excerpt from webpage on McAuliffe at Bastogne:
In other words, Spencer's comment, "remember McAuliffe at Bastogne," is seconding the reply of Young America's Foundation: "CAIR can go to Hell..."
I couldn't help noticing that one of the professed missions of CAIR is to enhance understanding of Muslims. I wonder if they realize just how successful they have been.
I also find them quite entertaining. I always get a hoot out of Hooper ! I wonder if he realizes just how ridiculous he seems.
The boys at CAIR are really sweating it! They are no longer satisfied to call those who expose their nefarious agenda islamophobes and bigots; they now launch preemtive strikes to silence them before they speak! Their tactics are desperate and pathetic. We all know that if Mr. Spencer actually "defamed" this notorious gang of islamist thugs, CAIR would file an immediate lawsuit and summon every news outlet in the country to a news conference to publicize it.
Mr. Spencer would have been added to CAIR's long list of frivilous lawsuits long ago if they could prove their false allegations. CAIR has done to Mr. Spencer exactly what they have accused him of doing to CAIR---they have defamed him. CAIR's deadliest enemy is TRUTH and that is all Mr. Spencer is guilty of purveying. America does not need or want dangerous islamist organizations like CAIR. They should all be deported to the home office in Saudi Arabia, and it should be illegal for the Wahabbis in Saudi Arabia to finance the spread of their malevolent creed in America.
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests"
Mr Hooper insists on hearing bad news immediately.
Robert, Please becareful out there. The cairbears are getting hot and bothered.
What's a little defamation, slander and intimidation to those who would lie and murder for their ideology?
Are you surprised?
About J. E. Sandler
http://www.sandlerreiff.com/bio_sandler.htm
Posted by: LoneRanger [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2007 4:08 PM
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Wow, according to this guys bio - he seems to already have a long history of stifling free speech; i.e. so-called campaign finance laws which prohibit the American public, but not the media, from freely airing our opinions about candidates 30 days before an election.
Let's see.. Harvard, 1970s, NDC - Yup.. fits the fold for liberal (in the bad sense) whack-job.
Almost makes me agree with Shakespeare in regard lawyers at times.
worldwatch, 'Exactly what do the leftists think they will gain by siding with the Islamists? Do they really forget what happens to leftists and atheists under Sharia Law?'
I think they are very ignorant, and some of it is a chosen ignorance. I always take a look at Lebanon and the muslims advanced in that country and they have their own looney left who are muslim apologists - even to this day - while the muslims are making that country into a sty of muslim radicalism. Look at Europe - it is a haven for the looney left and look at the advances that islam has made.
I suppose they might even feel good about themselves in helping the muslims. Keep in mind how the muslims use 'turnspeak', taqiyya, and claim victimhood. When a person choses ignorance and is confronted by a liar that is not only told in their koran to lie to advance islam, but is backed by centuries of training in the artform of lying it is probably hard to see the lie. The lawyer might know law, but very few of them have cracked open a koran. The koran probably would give them a headache - I know that it makes my mind want to do something else.
I find it ironic that so many news people at Fox news are lawyers - it figures that they are so ignorant of islam even though they are confronted with the news of what non-muslims face by the hands of muslims around this world. But, they don't put one and one together, nor do they crack open a koran. Or I haven't gotten the feeling that they have. Some seem to be 'getting it', but it is slowly. Too slowly for me!
And that is just Fox news - the other stations are just terrible when confronted with muslim violence around this world - they fall for what the muslims say all the time while the facts are in too many cases the opposite. It is easy for their reporters on the ground to not leave the motels and take the word of the muslims who are claiming victimhood. If they visited an Israeli hospital, and then a muslim hospital, they might get a clue. The Israelis do indeed take in muslims and repair them and send them on their way while the reverse is not true. If the left wing women aren't seeing a problem with how muslim women are treated - do we think they would get a clue about anything else??!!! This befuddles me the most! But, here again - many muslim women do not tell the truth either. They insist they are treated well and better than western women because of islam. (go check out the safe houses in Europe and get the real truth!)
Oh well, I can see what happens and I still want to slap stupid out of so many on the left. I work in a left wing looney bin - in the Bay Area - and their world view is based on the SF Chronicle and other left wing media outlets that don't have a clue and chose ignorance. They are more concerned with hating Bush than the threat of islam. They lost two elections and that is all they know.
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests"
This resembles the German surrender ultimatim sent to McAuliffe:
"If this [surrender] proposal should be rejected...the order for firing will be given immediately after...two hours..."
Hey CAIR and Sandler, Reiff and Young.
Have you ever heard of the 1st amendment? You know the one that protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression? If not then I suggest that you take your Law firm and go back to law school.
How dare you attempt to muzzle freedom of speech and expression. What right have you to threaten YAF? This smacks of totalitarianism and has all the hall marks of a new sinister movement being formented by unelected, public organisations who want to see freedoms go to hell.
We, the people are not impressed with CAIR or your so called law firm.
Hey CAIR and Sandler, Reiff and Young.
Have you ever heard of the 1st amendment? You know the one that protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression? If not then I suggest that you take your Law firm and go back to law school.
How dare you attempt to muzzle freedom of speech and expression. What right have you to threaten YAF? This smacks of totalitarianism and has all the hall marks of a new sinister movement being formented by unelected, public organisations who want to see freedoms go to hell.
We, the people are not impressed with CAIR or your so called law firm.
"In 2005 alone, CAIR backed a fatwa against terrorism;" --from the letter posted
And the non-Moslem public should find this reassuring? Is the fatwa intended to be a certification of approval of existing "infidel" law?
The laws against terrorism already exist. The very thought that the validity of these laws are being reviewed post facto by Moslems is an affront. No fatwas are needed. Just obey the law of the land.
Robert, you're too polite!
It looks like CAIR is getting a bit desperate.
What was that quote again?.....
"We defend the 1st amendment everyday" - Ibrahim Hooper
" We defend Islam against the 1st amendment everyday"- here, fixed it for you.
Those recycled petro-dollars go a long way, don't they?
Blackmail, intimidation, assassination, carbombs, hijack, the RoP makes sure we submit or pay the jiziyah...
http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/my-allah-is-better/
Robert Spencer should immediately sue CAIR for slander and libel. CAIR will have to pay money or will have to prove that what CAIR said about Spencer was true. Spencer may be able to use his lawsuit against CAIR for discovery about CAIR. CAIR will not be able to wiggle out unless Spencer drops his suit. I suggest Mr. Spencer seek punitive damages against CAIR of no less than $500,000,000 dollars. CAIR has consistently libeled Mr. Spencer constantly ascribing to him statements he did not make or denying statements Mr. Spencer has made that are clearly true. Email me if anyone would like particulars of how I see this can be done.
Wow! What a bunch of Idiot's I think they are fighting for there existance.
Robert is backed with facts - CAIR Nothing but Slander and lies...
Posted by: Weatherob
Actually, CAIR is backed with money from overseas (along with the slander and falsehoods)....
It would not suprise me if it ends up that Robert will have to take out a lawsuit against CAIR
I think the only one who should be contacting this sandler dingleberry should be Robert's attorney. Far more effective than a bunch of e-mailed or faxed rants that dougie will no-doubt sift for anything he can use next on CNN. The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process.
Opps, forgot to add the period at the end of the word "CAIR".
Me bad.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I hope YAF obliges Mr. Sandler by replying to his letter by the close of the business day, Wednesday, August 1, 2007.
Mr. Sandler,
This is not Saudi Arabia. Sharia law is not the law of the land in the United States of America. We live by a far higher law in our country. It is called the Constitution of the United States. It does not allow for the State murder, or even intimidating, of persons expressing views offensive to religious or political groups. We might not like what others say, but our laws protect their right to say it, and gives us no leave to stop them. It is a principle that your client, CAIR, might do well to familiarize themselves with, since it is a guiding principle of our Republic.
We have never known our speaker, Mr. Spencer, to be a purveyor of hate against Muslims or anyone else, nor are we aware of any history of false and inflamatory statements by Mr. Spencer. We know him only as a man of integrity and scholarship, an educator who seeks to educate others about Islam, its Prophet and his teachings.
We are also aware that, in Islam, anyone who expresses a thought that does not endorse the Muslim view that Mohammad was the perfect man, and that Islamic teachings are the perfect guide to a perfect world, will be labled inflamatory and hateful, and in some Islamic societies, would be executed for their views. Since Mr. Spencer is not an Imam, but an educator and scholar, it is highly unlikely that he will endorse the Muslim view of Mohammad or Islam and its teachings. For that reason, we fully expect that your client will once again label him a bigot. It is fortunate that Mr. Spencer is speaking in a country where a letter from you is the only price he'll have to pay for offending your client, CAIR -- out of reach of the axe or bullet, which would be considered the more reasonal and oppropriate response for telling the truth in an Islamic society.
In closing, I suggest that you would best serve your client, and perhaps yourself, by rereading the first amendment of the constitution. You might also suggest to your client that if he feels uncomfortable living in a society where free speech trumps his sacred text, he might want to consider moving to a place more hospitable to his views.
In short, like it or lump it.
Hooper is an ass clown. And as for the lawyer's letter? Pfft! Ramsey Clark has already set the bar so low for defending terrorist despots aka Saddam Hussein, the schmoes threatening the YAF are pikers by comparison.
"The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process."
Not easily done with all the petro dollars from Saudi Arabia etc. behind them.
By the way, it's difficult to fathom that this sandler, who claims a Harvard JD, could do something so spectacularly stupid as to send this letter to Robert's host. What kind of graduate is Harvard Law producing? What was his class ranking? Perhaps a basic IQ test is in order?
Good luck speaking tomorrow, Mr. Spencer, and know that your supporters and admirers are growing with each passing month. And to CAIR I would only say that with each passing month more and more Americans are finding out the truth about your organization and Islam as a whole. I close here by indicating my complete disgust for Islamic organizations like CAIR which use our own First Amendment in a twisted way to attempt to silence those who know the truth about Mohammed's creed. You will not succeed. We will be heard. Islam shall not prevail in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Legal Jihad is so 2006. Come on CAIR, get a new MO, because this one just brings you bad publicity and does not serve to intimidate your intended victims. They won't be victimized by you. Remember Andrew Whitehead? CAIR is just stupid.
Robert if you can't get that original complaint then get a real good copy,frame it and smile at it everyday.
It will be one of your best earned trophies as one day CAIR will no longer exist.(Unless they are allowed to hold meetings and bellyache from prison.)
It's also good to know that CAIR is paying attention to this site.
While i have thier attention i just wanted them to know that there are plenty FED UP.
I also want them to know that we know the truth and the facts,the whole truth and nothing but the truth,islam has been and IS on trial.
Also the people in this room tell everyone they meet the truth about Islam and it's messengers.Some have devoted thier own web sites to it and or just persoanl pages.I go as far as every e-mail i send out my signature is with the jihadwatch web address.
Intimidation and strong arming are not tactics from which to shy away from but tactics to press up against.
We will fight in every shape and form for this Nation to remain the beacon for all those who wish a safe haven from destitution and slavery.
The causers of destitution and slavery have no home here nor any invitation.
The l;ast thing to note is no matter how much of the farm our leaders wish to give away for thier pipedreams and pages in history it all boils down to US people of this nation who decides what goes and what is said in the history books.
Feeling the petting of the politician is a short term victory,the people haven't risen .....yet!
Posted by Dar Al-Harb and Dar Al-Harb alone!
There should be nothing to take out of context.
And i am sure you are knowledgable enough to understand.
With freedom comes responsibility,with responsibility comes a voice,freedom lovers ROAR!
Letter I sent to the emails of the two attorneys listed in the letter who represent C.A.I.R.:
Re: Your Client – C.A.I.R.
Letter dated: August 1, 2007 to YAF
Dear Mr. Reiff:
I do not speak for YAF nor do I speak for Mr. Robert Spencer. I wish I could make the YAF meeting, but I’m not a member and have never attended any of their events. I do applaud their offering Mr. Robert Spencer the opportunity to speak. Having read the Book of Hate, i.e. the Quran, I applaud Mr. Spencer’s efforts to speak out against Islamic Fascism and their apologists.
In that I can not attend and having read your correspondence dated August 1, 2007, I would like to add my response as an attorney, but more importantly as simply an American. This is solely my response:
Please tell your client to go to hell to join along side their pedophile false warmongering fascist prophet Mohammad (Damned to hell already).
I appreciate your forwarding said response from this American to your client.
Very truly yours,
XXXXXX X. XXXXX, Esq.
Attorney at Law
PS – Thank you for your time and consideration.
Infidel33:
Lawyers will do anything for money, no matter what caliber they are.
But wait...
Sandler is an anagram for slander!
Maybe Sandler, Reiff and Young, P.C. don't exist at all. Maybe they are a fictitious front for CAIR's own on-staff lawyers. CAIR has its own committed Islamist lawyers, ideological and fresh out of law school.
Kind of like Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.
"The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process."
Not easily done with all the petro dollars from Saudi Arabia etc. behind them.
True, axelon, but just as we are forced to finance jihad whenever we stop at the gas station, wouldn't it be nice if the saudis were forced to finance the counter-jihad every time hooper opens his mouth?
I'd say they are just asking to be sued. I stand by my previous suggestion: start by suing for a dollar and whup their a** without ceding the moral high ground. Up the ante by a factor of 100x each time they libel you like this. In the meantime have a decent lawyer like the fellow who took care of the Anti-CAIR suit who is prepared to take them to the cleaners and each time get a bigger disclosure from them. Vermin live under rocks because they hate the light.
In the meantime, Mr Sandler has solved the typical visiting speaker's problem: how to introduce the topic. Usually one comes up with a joke or anecdote, but I don't think you could top reading this letter out loud, pausing for dramatic effect, then reminding the CAIR plants in the audience to take careful notes on your talk for the upcoming court case. Their backers have more money than brains. In some jobs you get danger pay on top of your regular salary; I wonder if they get embarrassment pay.
Mr. Spencer,
Should you not be seeking legal counsel?
Although I'm not a lawyer, I believe this constitutes a form of a threat -- PRIOR to your speaking -- and is this not against the law??
I don't believe legal recourse can be resorted to so as to prevent a person from speaking -- that's what is used in totalitarian states! I would be truly shocked if the United States of America has sunk this law!
I am astounded by the brazen audacity and outright intimidation and the harassment of ordinary individuals conducted by this Witch Hunt Group (AKA CAIR). Something has to be done -- I believe legal means should be taken to shut down this menace to Civil Rights and Liberties in the United States.
All the best...
Who wants to wager there will be hecklers?
Good luck with your speach Mr. Spencer. I trust and respect everything that you put on this site. Keep it up, people need to know the truth about this threat to our way of life. Mr. Spencer you are my hero.
Defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm someone’s reputation.
If Mr. Spencer does not have a history of false and defamatory statements, then he has a case. Damages would be easy to prove, as he makes money selling knowledge and attempts to smear his knowledge would reduce his income.
A very influential organization is scared of you Robert Spencer. A good measure of a man’s character is the size of his enemies. Congratulations.
I am pasting the text to the bio for Mr. Reiff who is one of the partners of the firm representing CAIR. Reiff was and remains the deputy general counsel to the Democratic Nation Committee (DNC)
NEIL P. REIFF
reiff@sandlerreiff.com
Telephone: (202) 479-1111
Facsimile: (202) 479-1115
50 E Street, SE
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20003
Neil P. Reiff is a member of the firm of Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C., in Washington, D.C., concentrating in campaign finance and election law matters.
From June 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Reiff served as Deputy General Counsel of the Democratic National Committee, and he continues to serve in that role in the law firm. In this capacity, Mr. Reiff has been responsible for assisting in all legal matters affecting the national party. Mr. Reiff's primary field of expertise is federal and state campaign finance law. In that regard, Mr. Reiff advises and represents the Democratic National Convention Committee and numerous state Democratic Party committees, PACs, candidates and other political organizations before the Federal Election Commission and state election agencies.
Mr. Reiff has spoken on numerous panels on campaign finance law and has provided public testimony before the Federal Election Commission on numerous occasions. Mr. Reiff has also co-authored two amicus briefs pertaining to campaign and election law before the United States Supreme Court. In addition, Mr. Reiff was a member of the legal team representing plaintiffs in the landmark Supreme Court case McConnell v. FEC.
Mr. Reiff is the co-author of The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002: Law and Explanation, a book published by CCH in 2002. He has also co-authored several articles on campaign finance law, including "Is the Campaign Finance Legal Regime Ready for the Internet?" (Campaigns & Elections, 1999), "What's Next for Free Speech?" (Legal Times, 2003), and "The '527' Fuss Explained" (Campaigns & Elections, 2004).
Mr. Reiff, along with partner Joe Sandler, was cited in the December 2004 issue Washingtonian magazine as one of Washington's best lawyers. He will be joining the faculty of William and Mary Law School as an adjunct professor in the Fall of 2007 to teach a class on campaign finance law.
Prior to becoming Deputy General Counsel at the DNC, Mr. Reiff served the DNC as Deputy Compliance Director (1990-1991) and Compliance Director (1991-1993). In that capacity, Mr. Reiff was responsible for ensuring DNC compliance with federal and state election laws, as well as the filing of all disclosure reports by the DNC with federal and state election authorities.
Mr. Reiff graduated from the State University of New York at Binghamton in 1989, and from the National Law Center at George Washington University in 1992.
Good luck with the speech RS. Wish I could be there to hear it.
Just wondering if anyone has forwarded this to O'Reilly? Although it seems he has made a small left turn with his support for the MAS with the koran flush at pace, he has had some fun conversations with Hooper in the past.
Maybe he could get Robert and Hooper on together for a "fair and balanced" report?
Ummm, Robert:
You have them by the balls this time...they put their slander in writing...doesn't matter if they did it via legal caounsel, that's no different than if they pulled the trigger themselves.
Fire back...immediately, you can knock 'em on their fannies in 5 minutes.
Call them what they are, in no uncertain terms...
"they are liars of the worst and most disingenuous caliber", "using threats and intimidation via legal counsel", and remember, if they're telling the truth and we're lying, then it's real slander...then promptly state unequivocally,
"gentlemen, if you wish to sue me NOW, you know where I am at."
(voice of experience)
Put their own fraud and intimidation tactics on the defensive, and they will have to back up those words at their own expense, or back off since they know they've no grounds, and into the ashheap of history where their lies, fraud and deceit belong in the first place...
I'm sure now douggie the druggie hoopty is listening, since it's obvious this has been a fraudulent setup on hypocrite hooper's part from the word go.
Return fire...NOW.
My email to John. Too subtile ya think?
Dear Mr, Sandler.
I just wanted to drop a quick note to thank you for your threatening letter to the Young Americas Foundation. CAIR and particularly Ibrahim Hooper (and many Muslims everywhere in the world) are doing so much to help Americans understand Islam that one could actually argue that they are more effective than Robert Spencer himself. Please keep up your excellent work. I look forward to the day that all Americans understand the true nature of Islam. You're certainly doing your part.
Sincerely,
The DNC-CAir link is very interesting. Wonder how the DNC likes their legal beagles servicing CAir? The CAir-DNC lexis will look great in the 2008 elections.
What Hooper revealed may have already been suspect, CAIR is here on this site posting and taking notes.
A Blogger in a Burka.
Has anyone ever seen this 'signed petition' of 'over 690,000 signatures' mentioned in this letter?
It would be interesting to see to fact check the authenticity of names, signatures, if they are U.S. citizens,and number of signers claimed.
The above letter is a very well written letter utilizing the recipients immagination to 'imply' legal action or wrong doing. The letter was written to scare or terrorize YAF. If legal action was justified, don't you think the attorney would have been suing Robert Spencer, issuing a restraining order, and shutting down Jihad Watch?
Notice that the writer of the letter states that
This letter is nothing less then legal terrorism. A blatant attempt to violate a persons Constitutional Rights.
Can CAIR produce their defination of 'principled position against terrorism and extremism'. This is nothing less then acting rightous, but yet mean nothing.
And if CAIR is a civil liberties group then why are they backing a 'Fatwa'? Wouldn't this inply that they were infact a religous group?
YAF and Robert, remember that you will have CAIR people in the audience.
CAIR are starting to show their hubris. These legal types must realize that there are extremely strong First Amendment guarantees in the U.S. and these threats almost never succeed (in fact they get dismissed).
Maybe they think they're in the United Kingdom? There the dhimmi laws are open to exploitation-- although there are signs that decent people are taking heed of what's happening and things might change for the better.
FYI ol' John Sandler apparently has received enough email. Mine was rejected.
"Take steps to insure that false and defamatory statements are disseminated. . ."
That's why they hired Robert to speak isn't it?
As they say on Perry Mason "The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but the (plain and ugly) Truth".
I know when I want to know the truth about islam, no better source than Robert et.al.
A good pro bono lawyer helping Mr. Spencer file a suit for slander, defamation, etc. would be useful.
To give them back a spoonful of their own scam-scam water (formerly known as zam-zam water in the Mecca region).
When a liar calls for you to be quiet, the answer is to speak louder.
Keep up the good fight, Robert.
Rick:
I REALLY like your letter.
That was smooth....
Very smooth....Great approach.
Hey CAIR the only one really advocating genocide is you and the Koran! You blame us for not wanting Islam in our midst. GET LOST!
Taken from Islam 101.
In contrast, take 9:5, commonly referred to as the "Verse of the Sword", revealed toward the end of Muhammad's life:
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Having been revealed later in Muhammad?s life than 50:45, 109, and 2:256, the Verse of the Sword abrogates their peaceful injunctions in accordance with 2:106. Sura 8, revealed shortly before Sura 9, reveals a similar theme:
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
..Dershowitz might be contacted for a pro bono libel suit..
From letter: or else take steps to ensure that false and defamitory statements are not deseminated at that session.
What steps might those be? A pre-approved, script by CIAR? Since no one but Robert actually knows his presentation, if Robert talks really fast, he can get out all those false and defamitory statements, before any 'steps' can be taken.
I am sure there will be muslim agents in the crowd recording. The police should check everyone at the door to see if they have any 'false and defamitory statement detectors' on them....
This letter to YAF is a blatant attempt to stifle free speech.
Looking onto the web site for CAIR's hired guns, one finds that principals at Sandler, Reiff & Young are long-standing Democratic party apparatchicks. People like the lawyers in this firm are precipitating their own downfall. That wouldn't bother me if they weren't intent on taking us with them.
Reminds me of Mr. Rubenstein who bought shares in Krupp in 1938 because they had a new product called Zyklon B that was going to be a gas.
Based on my earlier posting you can see that the Koran clearly advocates genocide, also based on the actions of Muslims world wide you can see that it is not uncommon for them to heed the Islamic call to genocide as advocated by the Koran. Ie: Darfur, Armenia, Bangladesh to name a few recent genocides Islam can hang its hat on. So one poster says we should genocide the genociders before they genocide us and they call Robert the hater. Go figure. I'm against genocide of any kind, but I do not see anything positive that can come from having a genocidal theology spread in America ... such as Islam. Pack that in your hucka and smoke it CAIR.
Or, as their pilfered prophet Isa (Jesus) said:
"By their nuts, ye shall know them."
(Maybe Ibrahim H.'s middle name is Filbert?)
DITTO . . .add this video to the batch . . .
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA
Open Season - CAIR remix
Is there a Bar Association Code of Conduct? has this "lawyer" (the one operating on behalf of CAIR) crossed the boundaries of what's acceptable for lawyers to do? Isn't this lawyer straying into areas he should not be entering? It's threatening legal action PRIOR to an offense even having been committed! (again, it's reminiscent of a Police State.) I just do not believe this is ethical behavior on part of the lawyer. It gives all lawyers a very, very bad name. They use their legal degrees so as to silence people -- PRIOR to speaking?? Ridiculous.
Here is the e-mail I sent to this law firm:
Dear Sirs,
I cannot express my regret over your legal representation of CAIR, the so-called Muslim Rights Group. This acronym actually stands for "Convert All Infidels Religiously". In addition, I am highly dismayed by the content of your letter to the Young America's Foundation with regard to the speaking engagement of Mr. Robert Spencer, wrongly accused of hatemongering and islamaphobia.
Because of your brilliant legal work, I am going to make a small, public donation to The Israeli Holocaust Survivors Fund in each of your names, and in your honor, for all the world to see.
Soon, you may find yourself face to face with Mr. Ibrahim Hooper, who may or may not be quite irate with you. If I were you, I would immediately begin reading the koran, which is actually a war manual. This may give you some idea of the insanity you will be facing with your continued relationship with CAIR, and give you the skills you will need to dissassociate yourselves with them.
Best of Luck and Warmest Regards
"For these reasons we demand that YAF cancel the subject session, or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session."
What gives CAIR the right to DEMAND someone cancel a speech? Can't Mr. Sandler and his clients be charged with racketeering?
Our petrodollars at work: hiring counsel to try and limit our freedom of expression.
What codswallop.
CAIR's active membership would fit in a phone booth. This organization is a barely disguised front for the Saudis and their (our) money.
A fatwa with 600g signatures, my butt.
The people are no longer fooled by you Ibrahim.
The folks at CAIR are afraid of Robert Spencer, Chris Hitchens, Dennis Prager. These brave men keep America informed about the jihad and islamofascists.
Mr. Spencer, your response is a gem, proving you're a gentleman with far greater reserve than anything I could muster in such circumstances. I stand with you 100%. What ever you need, just ask. Nothing raises my ire like a threat against my way of life.
Give CAIR a piece of your mind...
mailto:info@cair.com
keep up the good wotk Mr. Spencer and hopefully no-one else backs down to their intimidation.
also i found this cool web site that shows recent global activity, i know there are good sites like religonofpeace.com but this one uses nice visuals that is updated every 300seconds.
http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
agian congrads to Mr' Spencer on his quest for spreading knowledge.
I guess CAIR will have to sue us all.
Hearing the Truth drives them nuts because it is so foreign to their ears.
Now that the YAF chapter has garnered publicity, they should just quote from the holy Moslem scriptures, and from venerated Moslem hitorians and Sharia jursists.
This'd fill up the time slot nicely, and stun any open-minded attendees (including reporters) who in their self-satisfied intellectual laziness had no inkling.
Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C.
What does the P.C. mean? "Politically correct"?
"Open Season", lyrics
Stuck MoJo
I speak peace when peace is spoken,
But I speak war when your hate is provoking,
The season is open 24-7-365,
Man up yo time to ride,
No need to hide behind slogans of deceit,
Claiming that you're a religion of peace,
We just don't believe you,
We can clearly see through,
The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad the cry of your unholy war, Using the willing, the weak and poor, From birth drowning in propaganda, rhetoric and slander, All we can say is damn ya
My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season
I don't need a faith that's blind, Where death and hate bring me peace of mind, With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century, So much sand in your eyes to blind to see, The venom that you leaders preach, Is the path to your own destruction, Your own demise, You might say that I don't understand but your disgust for me is what I realize, Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching, Whole world scoping, So if you bring it to my home base, Best believe it, The season's open
I see you, Hell yeah I see you, Motherfcker naw, I don't wanna be you, If you come to my place, I'll drop more than just some bass, Yo you'll get a taste of a, Sick motherfucker from the Dirty, I ain't worrying not a fucking bit, I'm telescoping like Hubble, Yo you in trouble, Yo on the double, I'm wild with mine, Bring that style with mine, Fuck with my family I'll end your life, Just the way it is, Just the way it be, Do you understand? No matter if you're woman or man, or child, My profile is crazy, That shit you do doesn't amaze me, I'm ready to blaze thee
I don't give a damn what god you claim, I've seen the innocent that you've slain, On my streets you're just fair game, Like a pig walk to your slaughter, The heat here is so much hotter, And my views won't teeter totter or fluctuate, Step to me you just met your fate, And I'll annihilate, With the skill of a Shogun assassin, Slicing and dicing precise with a passion, In any shape form or fashion, Bring it to my home, Welcome to the danger zone, Cause your attitude's the reason, The triggers keep squeezing, The hunt is on and it's open season
It's Open Season
Momof4 - You go, girl!
Nevermind. Figured it out. "Nuts." Heh.
"CAIR has consistently taken a principled position against terrorism and extremism"....from headline.
OH -- so they've sued the terrorists and extremists for their criminal activities? No! Their efforts would be better served focusing on the REAL enemy.
“Please let us know by the close of business today, Wednesday, August 1, 2007. whether you intend to comply with these requests.”
You know, I bet Mr. Sandler makes a wee bit more than minimum wage. And I bet you someone (or some country) is paying for Mr. Sandler's time to handle this issue. Being the diabolical person that I am, rather than an immediate "Hell, no," I'd try to use as much of Mr. Sandler's oh-so-billable time as possible with questions, clarifications, requests for further information, requests for evidence, follow up phone calls requesting clarification of this or that piece of evidence, etc. I mean, after all, how can YAF be expected to make such a serious decision based solely on anonymous charges? Surely, if Mr. Sandler is making such a charge, he must have in his possession the evidence to back up such serious claims.
Just thinking about what CAIR's bill would be if YAF kept several people at Sandler et al occupied for the better part of a day puts a smile on my face.
Frank, I believe P.C. stands for "Professional Code." (Sometimes contractors use "B & P.C." meaning "business and professional code.") i believe this is what it stands for -- could be wrong.
Who is paying the bills of Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C.?
Same folks who are funding CAIR. Since CAIR's U.S. membership has dropped so radically of late, who do you think might be funding CAIR and Sandler?
Maybe some Saudi princes who funded the 9/11 hijackers? Or some other low-lifes?
Cair had a fatwa issued against terrorism and had 690,000 signatures from Muslim's? I would love to see that document produced and if there are more than 35 real people on it I'd be amazed.
Robert I'm glad they were told where to go, good luck tomorrow and let the truth be heard.
"From June 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Reiff served as Deputy General Counsel of the Democratic National Committee, and he continues to serve in that role in the law firm. In this capacity, Mr. Reiff has been responsible for assisting in all legal matters affecting the national party. Mr. Reiff's primary field of expertise is federal and state campaign finance law. In that regard, Mr. Reiff advises and represents the Democratic National Convention Committee and numerous state Democratic Party committees, PACs, candidates and other political organizations before the Federal Election Commission and state election agencies."
-- from an informative posting above
A two-man law firm, with one of its largest clients being CAIR and another the Democratic National Convention Committee. Something is not right. Never mind all the business about everyone is "entitled" to representation. It looks very bad. It smells bad. The Democratic National Committee should take its business elsewhere. If that meas that Rieff leaves Sandler and Rieff to keep that business, fine. Otherwise, those who take CAIR for a client should live with the consequences.
When you sup with the devil you must use a long spoon.
Oh for Christ's sake. These gnats just won't quit.
Don't submit to Islam; defy it!
Arguably the best posts ever, taken in the aggregate, based on a post by Robert Spencer. Just delightful.
Interesting defiance against Islamic Pakistan coming from the left for a change!
(Pakistan) US presidential candidate Obama willing to invade Pakistan in al-Qaeda hunt
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2182955.ece
How can CAIR afford one of the top law firms in the country? Probably help from Middle East oil sheiks who like to dabble in terror.
Robert
Please sue.................Class Action.
Hummm I wonder.
O U T L A W islam !!! - globally
As long as we're getting CAIR's eye, allow me:
CAIR, we know that your 'religion' (and I use the term loosely) is a wicked and evil lie. We see every day the fruits of what your [false] prophet teaches because adherents to your [cult] beliefs never cease their murderous rampages.
My question is, how much innocent blood will make your [false] god, allan, happy? I mean how many innocent people does he require you to murder every day so that he is appeased?
And why do you assume that a child molester's fantasies are the very words of God? Did mohammed, like, part the Red Sea or something to verify? Did he, maybe, rise from the dead or anything? Or are you just taking his word for it because he said it? (If that is the case, please contact me, I have some nice, er, beachfront property to sell you in northern Florida).
And you say the other scriptures are corrupted, yet you offer NO PROOF. NOT ONE SHRED.
Mr. Hooper, those are some pretty flimsy credentials on which to stake your eternal existence on, aren't they? But, hey, believe what you want to.
Just don't expect us here in the USA to buy into your charade. And don't try to intimidate us. We are big on patience, but bigger on protecting our freedoms. Don't tred on me, CAIR. Because you could find out that Americans tred back.
Clearly a horribly unprofessional and strange letter for a law firm to issue, especially given the context: Spencer has said nothing that Anti-CAIR has not said said (probably much less) and the law suit against Anti-CAIR was thrown out of court with prejudice. CAIR and their attorneys know that there are liabilities in suing Spencer or anybody else to harrass and inflict financial damage, so, it appears, they resort to threats and transparent intimidation. Is CAIR daring Spencer to sue? They have no membership but they do have enormous sums of money from undisclosed sources. Is the tactic to lure Spencer into legal action that they can afford but he cannot and then, if they are lucky, they can claim vindication by the successful defense against civil claims for defammation? Hence the vague but provocative language. And if Spencer does not sue they at least have an opportunity to threaten and initimidate. In any case this is, without question, legal-jihad.
Off topic: the BBC World Online is running as its top story some remarks of Obama that he would be willing to order a military strike on Pakistan without seeking the consent of the Pakistani government (and the connotation of the story is obviously negative). The story as yet is getting absolutely no play in the American press, but it is story #1 for BBC World online.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm
Odd, don't you think, that these comments receive such emphasis on the BBC when Americans do not seem to care, at least not yet. Is this a warning shot across the bow of Obama from the Eurabian BBC World Service press room? Easy on the anti-jihad rhetoric (and do not dare implement such a policy if elected) or face the wrath of the BBC and assorted other anti-American media?
Today do we have in the news both legal-jihad from CAIR and a salvo in media-jihad from the BBC?
'The Law is not justice'-
Australian talk show nutbag Richard Carlton has a meltdown with conservative radio jock and QC Peter Faris
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/01/the-law-is-not-justice-richard-carlton-meltdown-on-radio-2ue/
Minneapolis...
:(
It's bluster, it's boilerplate. They have been forced to back down from every real fight when it got real. A month ago I heard a lecture by the attorney for that anti-CAIR website. He said that when things got to the discovery stage, CAIR backed off, rather than reveal their financial support. You do the exact same thing, Mr. Spencer - dare them to go to full discovery - I'm confident they'll slink away, the jihadist scum.
The Saudis themselves over-ruled extremist iconoclastic religious preachers, risen from among themselves, back when t.v. was first coming into the Arabian region.
Some of the Islamo-purists claimed that television (by "representing" Allah's living creatures) had violated Mohammad's prohibition against "a picture in the house", and demanded that it be banned from the Kingdom.
Even retrograde theocratic cranks like the Wahabbist Saudis said this was too far, and too ridiculous.
And banned the clerics instead.
CAIR is in the position of such backward extremists, now, by their attempts to suppress free speech.
The Saudis should pull the plug on this Fifth Column showboat.
It's giving the rest of the invisible invasion a bad name.
Getting them noticed too soon.
Keep threatening, Hooper.
It makes better students.
bridge collapse in Minnesota
go robert spencer
do the biz
and get the word out
wake the world uuuuupppppppppp
go robert spencer
do the biz
and get the word out
jeffreyimm,
I heard about that on Glenn Beck. So the candidate Obama who was always against invading Iraq, even though he wasn't a senator and didn't vote on it at the time, is all for a dust-up in Pakistan??
This the same guy who didn't bother to vote for the John Doe legislation recently.
Next.
Rock on Spencer- we support you 100% against CAIR the enemy within.
Your blog has never caused me to hate or dislike peaceful Muslims but only those who would take our freedoms away like CAIR!!
We are not scared of you CAIR and we will not allow you to push Sharia law on us without a fight- of course to you this is hate speech.
It appears this is not the first time Mr. Sandler has sent out his calling card.
At this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1831946/posts
You will see a letter send by him to Free Republic relating to Howard Dean.
No matter it is clearly an attempt as Sun Tzu said:
"So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak."
You notice Mr. Spencer did not get one of these letters. Lets take a look at the last two days. Ibrahim Hooper goes after Prager last night for supporting Jihadwatch and then today this letter attacking YAF for hosting Mr. Spencer. In CAIR's view they are avoiding what is strong (Spencer) by attacking what is weak (Prager, YAF). I am not saying Preager or YAF is weak by normal standerds but faced with a direct assult upon "Mt. Spencer" it would be a better option. Ibrahim wants no part of direct debates with Mr. Spencer except hit and run attacks like last nigths show. Will it work? On the uninformed or PC minded yes but on cold logical thinking folks it should not.
However one word of warning this will only get worse. I have bad feeling this is opening phase of a organized strategy to weaken Jihadwatch and Mr. Spencer attacking the allies of this site and thus that support Mr. Spencer.
I hope someone from Hotair, for example, can capture the whole session on video tomorrow. It certainly would seem to make for some entertainment, knowing full well that the disclosure will attract some Islamist dissenters.
Godspeed Robert.
All media and government will, and have, bowed to Islam - down to the ground! No one anywhere will go all the way towards pointing out that those religions which use the Koran are evil and murderous mainstream religions - so evil and murderous, that they alone stand as one of a kind in all the world - all other religions are good in comparison. But Islam is praised by all the media - or at least not identified as a "religion" leaving the impression that what is evil are people, and not the RELIGION. How does Islam accomplish this? Simple, it murders anyone who tells the truth about it! So, everyone respects the Muslims (respect is another word for fear). The criticisms against the Muslims are always persecuted to the extreme of western Law, even breaking that law - yet these same indignities thrown at other religions are allowed because no one respects them because they will not murder you and your family for expressing them. See how good fear of murder works to make a ridiculous Religion of Murder into a "respectable institution that the heads of all governments bend and kiss the raised posteriors in homage to the great gift of not being Murdered as the Koran commands?
Tom.
Paragraphs.
(Islam hates paragraphs.)
This is a splendid example of the kind of America CAIR seeks to create via implementation of glorious sharia. Let's hope the message of Robert Spencer gets through to our idiot politicians before they enable Islamania to bring this type of thugocracy to life.
CAIR, if you are reading this message, please email me instructions on how to issue a Fatwa against you for not being able to read. Oh, and make sure it isn't a violent Fatwa that I issue because I wouldn't do that. But just to help you out, there is a nice disclaimer at the top of the comments list that has always been there. And remember anyone can comment on this site. Its called the internet, get over it. Ever been to YouTube? Sheesh!
Call me naive, but why would an attorney who is sometime counsel to the DNC get involved with CAIR? and send threatening letters on their behalf. I would not be surprised to see the DNC disassociate itself from Joseph Sandler.
Robert,
The letter, as a previous poster indicated, could also constitute defamation. Sandler may even have crossed some ethical lines with the tone of the letter. Maybe a nice letter to the D.C. bar would make CAIR shiver. Take a look at the D.C. Bar and ABA model rules of professional conduct. Good luck with the speech. Go get 'em.
http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/mrpc_toc.html
http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/rules_of_professional_conduct/index.cfm
How about demanding that one of CAIR's reps debate Robert?
How about demanding that CAIR open their financial records to scrutiny? Remember how CAIR backed off during that law suit with Andy Whitehead. They definitely didn't want their financial backing exposed--for good reason, IMO.
CAIR demands this and that. I'm sick of the lot of them at that organization which has been named as an unindicted co-conspirator!
How about demanding that one of CAIR's reps debate Robert?
How about demanding that CAIR open their financial records to scrutiny? Remember how CAIR backed off during that law suit with Andy Whitehead. They definitely didn't want their financial backing exposed--for good reason, IMO.
CAIR demands this and that. I'm sick of the lot of them at that organization which has been named as an unindicted co-conspirator!
How about demanding that one of CAIR's reps debate Robert?
How about demanding that CAIR open their financial records to scrutiny? Remember how CAIR backed off during that law suit with Andy Whitehead. They definitely didn't want their financial backing exposed--for good reason, IMO.
CAIR demands this and that. I'm sick of the lot of them at that organization which has been named as an unindicted co-conspirator!
Mr. Sandler is a busy man.
He represents CAIR, the DNC, and Moveon.org.
Muslims are not above torching their own mosques and business for jihad I dont put making scandalous remarks of JW outside of the realm of possibility
Mohammad.
Who would stick up for a slaveholding, plagiarizing, pedophile warlord?
Who approved of assassinating a women poet who mocked him with satirical verse?
Buddha, I get. Lao Tzu. Khrishna. Jesus. Moses. Socrates. Epictetus. Zoroaster, even.
And prefer Sappho;s fragments to Mohammad's whole.
I don't get the attraction to any halfway healthy intellect or heart.
A murderous, brutal, malicious, ewnslaving, child-raping terrorist?
What do guys like Hooper see to like?
A secret fanatsy of being the scourging, silencing, stultifying Tyrant of All?
Seem they are desperate to become relevant and are will to hitch their fortunes to their betters to grab some limelight.
I've always been registered as an Independent, and usually voted Democratic in Presidential elections. Based on this letter from Joseph Sandler to YAF, and the long links of Sandler and Reiff to the Democratic National Committee, I will not, under any circumstances, vote Democratic in the next US Presidential Election.
If the Republicans nominate a fool, I'll write someone in.
I'm trying to imagine Sandler looking at himself in a mirror, but the mirror keeps cracking.
I thought I will never see a day when Islam/Muslims will have such a hold in America, as they have done in Europe and UK, but some how I was wrong. The reason as I see is that when Muslims migrate to any country they will first be very well behaved once their numbers swell,(as they breed like rats) then they start to flex their muscles, that is what they are doing now. If you Americans do not wake in time then this evil cult is going to subjugate you in time to come. Better fight now if you want to survive and keep your culture intact. I wish YAF success. Log on www.faithfreedom.org to learn more about the evils of Islam.
KAOSKTRL-
I thought the same thing immediately.
Grabbing onto the coattails of someone worthwhile to mooch a ride to notoreity.
At least literal leeches have other uses.
I thought I will never see a day when Islam/Muslims will have such a hold in America, as they have done in Europe and UK, but some how I was wrong. The reason as I see is that when Muslims migrate to any country they will first be very well behaved once their numbers swell,(as they breed like rats) then they start to flex their muscles, that is what they are doing now. If you Americans do not wake in time then this evil cult is going to subjugate you in time to come. Better fight now if you want to survive and keep your culture intact. I wish YAF success. Log on www.faithfreedom.org to learn more about the evils of Islam.
We should thank Sandler. He's just given the RNC a wonderful weapon against the Dems, written in plain English.
In fact, the letter is so absurdist as to raise the question of intent: is Mr. Sandler a double agent?
I have a question for Mr. Sandler: how much did Karl Rove pay you to pen this letter?
Yaaaay, Robert! You really got their goat this time...
We are with you all the way!
Who cares about cair? They, and their ilk, reveal their true identity with every step they take. Bigots!
Poor CAIR, the best they could do is find a Law Firm that assigned a youth intern to produce a letter that is full of spelling errors .
If I saw this letter in my email box I would delete it along with those Nigerian money scam or Euro-Lotteries I win almost every week.
I guess that Hooper was a loser before he converted and now Islam is stuck with him
based on the Peter Principle where someone always rises to the maximum level of their stupidity .
The federal government is a proper name or title and should have been cited as "Federal" "Criminal" offense and not the vague usage of lower case letters to infer that there is a Football team mad up of Crimals within the Federal Government that have a Offensive line
to attack the other team.
The term offense is merely explaining what the crime is based on but Federal-Criminal defines
the title for a Prison term of not less than 2 years , so while I'm no expert in drafting letters I do have enough brains to spot the overt errors by a Law Firm that doesn't even use a Spell-Check to alert them to a upper-case letter on a proper word or title .
Lately it has become pretty tough to undestand some of the News reports because the Anchor will use a mono-tone delivery and not break during a sentence to imply a topic or theme to the report.
It's like a sign advertising giant cookies for $1.00 , you buy 5 of them and later on when you open the bag you find the standard Oreo size that you paid $5.00 for .
When you return to the Bakery you discover that the Baker in the back is a Giant about 7'8"
and it's not the Cookies that are Giant but the guy who made them.
The sign may have meant to say 'Giant-Cookies' for $1.00 and not just giant cookies that infer you are getting cookies that are big and not the person that made them was big.
Maybe Hooper should learn Arabic so at least
he can get his lies straight about the Quran and islam, because his English skills make him look like a mindless chimp that prattles on and yet says nothing .
BTW
That Petition is a farce , it started out as an American one to denouce the Act of terrorism by Islam, except when the numbers were so low for the professed 8'000'000 Muslims in the USA by CAIR and Hooper the Petition then went Global and has been stuck at 700'000 out of the 1'200'000'000 which Hooper claimed were 99% peaceful Muslims that abhore violence against Civilians by anyone.
Anyone notice how Hooper avoids wearing his skull cap in Public now and has trimmed his beard , even he is partly ashamed of Islam and
and wants to fool people watching the News .
hi
I haven;t read all the comments, so excuse me if this has already been posted. Our Mr Sandler has a political history
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seems he represents 'move on.org' also
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How dare you speak negatively of the religion of peace! Fatwa on You Mr. Spencer. LOL
In typical Islamic Rageboy fashion, SILENCE before truth, and RAGE in the face of it.
How can there ever be serious dialog with Islam when you are not allowed to use facts? when you can not discuss actions of Islamic Believers?
I am so sick of hearing the leadership of the Islamic religion talk about "Dialog" and "Discussion" when what they really mean is "Domination" and "Submission" of "inferior religions".
"There is no religion other than Islam" in Saudi Arabia and other places, yet America must cater to these savages.
Riots, and Fatwas all around.
Screw em, if they can't take the facts and refuse to join us in the 21st century.
This is great news. Jihad Watch is really getting under the skin of these creeps.
I subscribe to the YAF podcasts, most of which are excellent. They do, however, have a tendency to have the Dilettante of Dhimmitude as a speaker a bit too often (ie more than once a decade). Robert may cause a bit of a shock in those who drank the DD coolaid.
Robert,
I am total agreement with the posters above that say you ought to at least consider legal action against CAIR and these attorneys.
But let me add my 2 cents.
These attorneys, in clear and unambigous terms, have just called you a liar and a bigot. You relay a critical message to the public and it is equally critical that those who read and listen to you have no reason to doubt the truth of what you state. Your reputation is important for both personal and business reasons. By sending that letter to YAF they challenged and defamed your reputation.
If I recall correctly, you've issued a challenge on this site previously, for anyone who thinks you've said something that is false about islam, the koran or Mohammed, to disprove what you say and that no one has ever taken that challenge and proven any fact recited by you to be false. I recall you saying this becuase Ali Sina makes the same challenge at FaithFreedom. In fact he goes a step further and promises to shut down his site if anyfact he states is proven fales.
In a defamation suit the truth is always a defense. In otherwords, if CAIR can prove that you have lied about something, they will prevail, you would lose. But, if you show how your reputation is essential to your work and they cannot prove you lied about something here at JW, you win.
I repsectfull urge you to seek legal counsel. You should inquire to see whether a law firm would be willing to take this case on a contingency. That is, if you win the attorneys get a percentage. If you lose, you get nothing. So it may not require any out of pocket expenses for you. You may even find a firm in D.C. that will take it just because it is CAIR.
So not only might you recover some money damages, the real coup would putting YOU in a the drivers seat in going forward with this case. A poster above mentioned the value of the discovery process in litigation. Recall the Islamic Center of Boston and the Anti-CAIR cases.
As I recall, they were dismissed BY CAIR at a time when they were just about to have to turn over documentation and sit for depositions. They wanted NO PART of turning over sensitive documents and dismissed the cases. It was their case. They could dimiss at a whim.
If YOU were the one suing, they could not avoid discovery by dismissing YOUR case. Of course they could offer you a big fat settlement and close the case that way. That would be up to you, of course.
As Mark Steyn reminded last night. CAIR has 1700 members that pay a minimal membership fee ($50?) per year, yet their annual expenditures well exceed the total of these fees. They do not want anyone poking around to see where their funding comes from. And who knows what other little tidbits and nuggets of information could come out if they had to release all their financials?
Of course getting involved in a lawsuit is time consuming and requires a certain commitment for unknown period of time. You have many things on your plate at one time, I am sure.
Also, FLLegal, Rick great letters. I am sending one also and signing with my Esq. I realize attorneys have an obligation to represent their clients and the ethics behind all that. These attorneys should know more about the long-term objectives of their clients and shame on them for their ignirance. Hooper and his kind would toss the Consitution in the trash tommorow if they thought they could subsitutue sharia law to take its place. They essentailly disdain the bill of rights, except when they can use it to their advantage and forward their cause, which is the slow jihad. They insult the bill of rights and the consitution they are sworn to uphold by their letter of intimidation. I will tell them I am embarassed to be known to work in the same profession as them.
Also, I notice their is a fair amount of lawyer bashing that goes on here at LW. I'm so used to it I don't take offense anymore. But notice that for every person here that knocks the attorneys, there is an equal number urging Robert to sue and unless Robert has a law degree on the side, quess who he is going to have to hire to protect his reputation?
When CAIR says they are against Terrorism and Extremists, they're probably referring to Americans and Israelis.
In just the same way that they deplore the harming of "Innocents".
Leave Iraq Now;
I agree that lawyer bashing is not called for. It is absolutely unfair when the actions of 95% of the lawyers make the other 5% look bad.
:)
Unbelievable. I wouldn't put it past "Ol' Ibe" and his folks to have been so low as to have put the genocide remark in your log. It is rather fishy that it was brought up by Ibe on the boob tube that very night. I have actually seen more than I'd like to have seen of people of his ilk provoking confrontations. Representatives of student organizations have told me that, in the past, Muslim Arabs have done that.
I have personal knowledge of an Arab Muslim who presented himself as an "Egyptian Jew" at a Zionist youth function. Do not take this wrongly, but ANY Jew from an Arab country or Israel knows who is a non-Jewish Arab speaker almost immediately. Their are too many cultural, linguistic, and other clues.
Anyway, I am disgusted that CAIR would attempt this blackmail. They are desperate and hope to bend us into submission. But, like the fictional President Pullman we must not "Go gently into the night."
I hope that this morally bankrupt attempt to cow the students into surrender will be played in the media for all it's worth.
Robert, I have gotten many to look at your site and I would not have ever bothered if you had even ONCE been spewing hate. Keep up the good fight and don't let this bastards win.
Unbelievable. I wouldn't put it past "Ol' Ibe" and his folks to have been so low as to have put the genocide remark in your log. It is rather fishy that it was brought up by Ibe on the boob tube that very night. I have actually seen more than I'd like to have seen of people of his ilk provoking confrontations. Representatives of student organizations have told me that, in the past, Muslim Arabs have done that.
I have personal knowledge of an Arab Muslim who presented himself as an "Egyptian Jew" at a Zionist youth function. Do not take this wrongly, but ANY Jew from an Arab country or Israel knows who is a non-Jewish Arab speaker almost immediately. Their are too many cultural, linguistic, and other clues.
Anyway, I am disgusted that CAIR would attempt this blackmail. They are desperate and hope to bend us into submission. But, like the fictional President Pullman we must not "Go gently into the night."
I hope that this morally bankrupt attempt to cow the students into surrender will be played in the media for all it's worth.
Robert, I have gotten many to look at your site and I would not have ever bothered if you had even ONCE been spewing hate. Keep up the good fight and don't let this bastards win.
Unbelievable. I wouldn't put it past "Ol' Ibe" and his folks to have been so low as to have put the genocide remark in your log. It is rather fishy that it was brought up by Ibe on the boob tube that very night. I have actually seen more than I'd like to have seen of people of his ilk provoking confrontations. Representatives of student organizations have told me that, in the past, Muslim Arabs have done that.
I have personal knowledge of an Arab Muslim who presented himself as an "Egyptian Jew" at a Zionist youth function. Do not take this wrongly, but ANY Jew from an Arab country or Israel knows who is a non-Jewish Arab speaker almost immediately. Their are too many cultural, linguistic, and other clues.
Anyway, I am disgusted that CAIR would attempt this blackmail. They are desperate and hope to bend us into submission. But, like the fictional President Pullman we must not "Go gently into the night."
I hope that this morally bankrupt attempt to cow the students into surrender will be played in the media for all it's worth.
Robert, I have gotten many to look at your site and I would not have ever bothered if you had even ONCE been spewing hate. Keep up the good fight and don't let this bastards win.
There is another thing which bothers me about the lawyer's letter...(as another poster has mentioned, but I'd like to elaborate on)...and that is "Who is the lawyer addressing?" It's not the standard "cease and desist" letter (that anyone can write, btw) which would then be addressed to Robert Spencer. No. The lawyer's letter is addressed to someone who is akin to an employer of Mr. Spencer. Doesn't this put the threatening letter in a different category entirely? It's one thing to have a "cease and desist" letter addressed to Mr. Spencer, quite another thing to address the letter to an organizer of an event. This suggests that the letter writer's intent is to smear the good name and reputation of Mr. Spencer..to spread defamatory statements (and it could even possibly be going on behind Mr. Spencer's back -- at other times, without Mr. Spencer's knowledge...he's just suddenly "dropped" from a previous invitation...without being informed "why.")
Next, I recall listening to a CBC program (it was a number of years ago) about the on-going problem of libel suits here. namely, they are called SLAPP suits (these are a Strategic Lawsuit against Public Participation). Wikipedia has an entry on SLAPP suits...(notorious in Canada).
Another Wiki entry is "Political Libel" and vexatious litigation...The U.S. is (supposedly) in a far better position (due to the First Amendment) to fight vexatious litigation than is Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_libel
The problem with CAIR is that they are not resource-limited. The NAACP, ADL and even ACLU have to pick their battles wisely, because they do not have oodles of foreign funds to support them. Despite the Islamist agenda of CAIR, if they were really just supported by member contributions, they'd either wither away or be forced to go after the one or two real cases of anti-Muslim discrimination a year that are of any real merit. Instead, with all their money and huge staff at 32 offices, they have to keep busy. No doubt the simple fact of being rich makes them over-confident, but the other simple fact is that with so many committed Islamist activists, they need to give them some work. It's like a bureaucracy that invents work just to make sure its staff doesn't get cut in the next fiscal period.
So they comb the Internet, they have lawyers issue complaints and lawsuits, they go after anyone who looks at a Muslim the wrong way. They fire in all directions (mostly blanks) because they can and because they have to give their people something to do. Who knows how many lives they have disrupted or destroyed, beyond the well-publicized cases? They are like a militia, going after anyone they view in even the vaguest sense as a nuisance.
Beyond making the US Sharia-friendly in a broad sense, their focus seems to be on immigration cases, where Muslims are supposedly applying for citizenship are supposedly left on hold because of anti-Muslim bias. Never mind that becoming a US citizen is a slow process for anyone, regardless or race or creed. Their other focus is on academic institutions, where they work closely with the MSA. They know that this is an easy target. Finally, their third main focus is on intimidating people who are critical of Jihad or Islamism, particularly those with an Internet presence.
Now the CAIR problem could be easily solved. With some legal (tort) reform to make filing of frivolous lawsuits more difficult and with monitoring and regulations, or outright illegalization, of foreign funding of domestic "activist" groups, CAIR would be defanged.
Unfortunately, neither Democrats nor Republicans are willing to do the legislative job to make it harder for subversive Islamist groups like CAIR to operate. The solution is simple. The political will is just not there.
I thought Robert usually did not give notice of his being a speaker at an event for security reasons!? I hope the security is good.
Bring your video camera fellow anti-jihadists to record the hecklers or dangerous people.
And those bastards at Reiff had the nerve to play their hand at blackmail against other Americans when the link to the email on their contact page shows Marines raising the flag on Surabachi. The people at Reiff have not only lowered Old Glory, they have bent over and taken it from Ol' Ibe and Co. at sCAIR.
Unbelievable. You have grounds for a lawsuit against these &#$%(, Mr. Spencer.
I have no problem believing that the "genocide remark" was the act of a provocateur. I've been told by people involved in student activities that they witnessed Arab Muslims masquerading as "Egyptian Jews" at Jewish student events. Please don't take this wrongly, but any Jew from an Arab-speaking country (or Israel) can recognize an Arab Muslim immediately due to numerous cultural and linguistic markers. It is a known fact that provocateurs are planted at events to cause problems or create a bad image for the public. Witness the stunts of "Paliwood."
I would not have paid a moment's notice to your site, Mr. Spencer, had I EVER detected ANY hate coming from your pen. As it is, I have referred many here to get a better knowledge of Islam and politics. Keep up the good work and "Thank you."
I expect the Saudi minions at CAIR have no clue now ridiculous these contrived attacks on everything un-Muslim makes their beloved political idealogy masking as a religion appear.
So, we should welcome their tactics. If it serves to save a single soul from the dread of Islam, bring it on.
Islam, meet Aikido.
J.S.
You are correct that the letter written and addressed to YAF makes big difference.
A requirement for a defamation suit is that the defmatory statement be "published". If the letter were simply addressed to Robert that would be only a direct party communication. If the letter was not cc'd to anyone else, Robert would have no action against the lawyers. This letter is addressed to and was in fact sent to YAF. That is the essential act of "publishing".
pez. Proud to be in the oppressed 5% minority.
I am going to whip out my 101 favorite economist Jokes book and post a few some day soon. economist yes?
I, as usual, don't have anything particularly profound to say, but:
"We demand!"
"We demand!"
"We demand!"
"We demand!"
I am sick unto death of Mohammedan "demands"! (Insert crazed scream here.) I just hate rudeness! I hate bullying even more! How do these CAIR people think they're going to gain a damned thing by threatening Mr. Spencer's audience, for God's sake??
OOOOhh--CAIR is making demands! We're all so scared!
Robert:
Pay CAIR no heed!
They have backed down before and will probably do the same this time too.
Sooner or later, anti-CAIR will nail these CAIR B*ST*RDS in court for being the terrorists they really are (and have them put in the penitentiary to 'do' some serious time-- as they should be-- for being accessories to terrorism worldwide)!
Your position on Islam does NOT make you a "racist"! (Especially as you are 100% right!).
Robert:
COUNTER SUE!
Posted by: khalsa at August 1, 2007 9:34 PM
its pretty silly for you to write
"...(as they breed like rats) "
the only person who gets grief is RObert Spencer
Good point made at
http://conservative-times.com/archives/12821
if CAIR was concerned about Robert lying about or defaming muslims, why didn't CAIR just ask for a chance to present, debate, or rebut Robert instead of trying to keep him quiet?
Of course they know they wouldn't stand a chance in debating Robert (unless of course if Hooper was allowed to shout like a raving madman like he did last night on Paula Zahn.
What better proof of Hooper's cowardice.
Leave Iraq Now,
Yes, if Robert Spencer wishes to file a defamation lawsuit, I think he should do so using a Canadian court. The onus (burden of proof) is reversed here. heh, heh, heh. Two can play the game.
"CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!"
Posted by: awakenow at August 1, 2007 4:01 PM
Here is a simpler acronym:
Perpetually
Outrated
Offended
Poseurs
Feel free to use it all the time. In fact, I would personally refer to "Doug" as a POOP-head, since he seems to be the chief dissimulator of this organization. Not so scairi now, are they!
Also, to avoid double posting, after you hit POST...if you don't see your post right away, simply hit the reload page button!
Joseph Sandler above has written to the head of an organization, which organization he must have wanted to be apprised of his letter's contents, that Robert Spencer is a "well-known purveyor of hatred and bigotry against Muslims." There is plenty of actual malice in this, more than enough to overcome any Sullivan-like "public figure" exception. Sandler will have to explain on what basis he makes this remark; what of Spencer's writings -- books and articles -- he is intimately familiar with, and his own definition of "bigotry." If his definition of "bigotry" is writing a biography of Muhammad that relies entirely on the most authoritative Muslim sources, and mostly on the Hadith as collected and winnowed by those regarded by Muslims as the most authoritative muhaddithin, that is a peculiar definition indeed. Would his argument be that the texts and tenets of Islam are off-limits to close scrutiny and discussion? Or that one has a perfect right to consider whether or not those who are orthodox in their beliefs can, at the same time, also hold beliefs that flatly contradict the letter, and the spirit, of Islam? Why is that an impermissible subject to discuss and ponder?
More than enough "actual malice." More than enough attempts -- the one now exposed for all to see surely should enter the casebooks, the ones that start with Milton's Areopagitica, and proceed to John Peter Zenger, and then go forward to Holmes and Brandeis, and then to the document displayed above, with its incredible attemmpt at prior censorship (the kind that Milton deemed unacceptable in Areopagitica) of Spencer and his discussion -- the pecise contents of which Joseph Sandler has no way to know -- of CAIR and its works and days. CAIR will not be permitted to lay down the law, not yet, as to what s prohibited, and what commanded, in this country, or how CAIR itself may or may not be discussed, and by whom.
The Bill of Rights and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights still apply here; the Islamic version of the latter, which fatally vitiates every important clause in the Universal Declaration, is not yet, and will never be, the law of this land.
Having read so many analyses from other posters (lots of good catches, you guys and gals), I'm starting to wonder...
The offensive post is generally considered by most of us to be phony baloney, right?
Could it be that CAIR simply "borrowed" someone else's letterhead, or maybe created a plausible mock up of an attorney's stationery?
The letter is heavy handed, inept, and unlikely. I just can't see a real lawyer being unaware of the legal implications of such a correspondence, when some of us ordinary joes can see right through the libel and threats.
Would a real attorney risk the blowback?
Typical Muslims, they always threaten with intimidation. Either by lawsuits or terror...
WISH I COULD BE THERE
Keep fighting the good fight guys!
Don't let these bullies intimidate you from speaking the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth....so help you God.
Am not in the U.S. but my hackles were instantly raised by the tone of that letter and thank goodness for the reaction to it.
Keep up the good work Mr. Spencer and good luck to you.
People like me will continue to spread the word in whatever ways open to us too.
what is wrong with these people is that they misinterprete the koran.....the koran said that if they kill infidels they would go to heaven and they will marry 72 virgins. what they do not know is that, yes, they would marry ONLY ONE (1) virgin whose age is 72 yrs. old. HA! HA! HA!
So the letter says that Spencer is a purveyor of hatred ?
What about the Koran then ?
What about those kafir-defamatory statements of the Koran that are daily broadcast from the mosque loudspeakers ?
Good luck to the directors of Jihadwatch. God be with them...
So the letter says that Spencer is a purveyor of hatred ?
What about the Koran then ?
What about those kafir-defamatory statements of the Koran that are daily broadcast from the mosque loudspeakers ?
Good luck to the directors of Jihadwatch. God be with them...
here in the philippines, we ignore them. they are onion-skinned (balat sibuyas). If they want fight, we give them pork adobo!! LOL
CAIR = Toothless Lion
Oscar Wilde surely taught the world a century ago: don't sue for defamation if the 'defamer' was actually telling the truth.
CAIR = Toothless Lion
Posted by: champ
Just when the toothless lion thinks he won ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM
One wonders if there is an ace out there, a security wizard, who could trace that particular CAIR-happy posting from the spoor it left through firewalls and such.
"Note the personal smears, the attempt to bully and intimidate"
Oh doesn't that just sum them up. Bullies.
And then the bluster and the tantrums when they don't get their way.
Australia: Better Safe Than Sorry!
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/02/australia-better-safe-than-sorry/
Robert:
I assume you're getting paid for this lecture. As such, a case can be made for tortious interference in a business contract. It might not have much in the way of legs, because they were ultimately unsuccessful, but it will get their attention. If there are cases in the recent past where they have been successful, I'd lump that in, too. With the multiple counts of defamation, slander, and libel as well. Sue CAIR, sue the lawyers.
Persistent, patient, endless application of the truth...like water drops on a rock, Robert, you are affecting CAIR's responses and wearing them away.
That last cry you will hear is Ibrahim Hooper, withering away, after Dorothy (Robert) throws the bucket of water on him. Follow the yellow brick road.
Dear Robert, In answer to both Sandler, Reiff and Young and also CAIR, a one word reply would be in order. The middle two letters are L L and the other letters are : S B K O C O - but not necessarily in that order. We here in the UK are having the same problems and it seems that our lords and masters are the same gutless appeasers that wanted to 'negotiate' with Hitler. My best wishes to all those who value liberty in the Land of the Free.
This CAIR at its finest, bulling and using false accusations! Robert you are at the truth, and it hurts CIAR and all othre islam appologists. my prayers and good wishes go to you sincerely.
Supression of facts and free speech is an expression of tyranny and to defame, intimidate and lie about one who so well displays that truth is the act of a criminal. That CAIR would involve itself in something so un-American shows the definition of its purpose and their desperation.
khalsa,
The truth is that unlike Europe and the UK, in America because of the right of Americans to keep and bear arms the Muslims have HAVE NO CHOICE but to mind their p's and q's. Otherwise there will be trouble for them bigtime.
Robert Spencer, you are the man! Keep up the great work.
Strike while the anvil's hot!
I want to personally thank CAIR for demonstrating again, in writing, their intent to silence free speech and public assembly in America.
It should come as no surprise that CAIR cannot tolerate anyone discussing, probing or questioning their activities, their ideology or their motives.
The law firm that represents these troublemakers and intimidators must be commanding a premium fee and has few scruples about whom or what they'll defend. At least the ACLU hasn't taken up CAIR's cause...yet.
If such spurious allegations against Mr. Spencer ever did come to trial, wouldn't the American public stand up and take notice as Mr. Spencer produced every word on every damning line enshrined in their hateful holy texts?
It is astonishing that it has come to this so quickly in the 'Land of the Free'. Were this to have happened in the United Kingdom or Europe, I wouldn't be so surprised; but that it is happening in the States, and at this relatively early stage, is astounding indeed. Please don't tell me that our American friends are going to put up with this nonsense. A stop needs to be put to this NOW.
Good luck to you, Robert!
It is astonishing that it has come to this so quickly in the 'Land of the Free'. Were this to have happened in the United Kingdom or Europe, I wouldn't be so surprised; but that it is happening in the States, and at this relatively early stage, is astounding indeed. Please don't tell me that our American friends are going to put up with this nonsense. A stop needs to be put to this NOW.
Good luck to you, Robert!
Sorry about the double post.
I presume that Mr. Spencer has already spoken to Young America's Foundation. Now the only thing to say to CAIR is what was said to Alger Hiss after he'd threatened to sue Whittaker Chambers: "Where's that lawsuit, Alger?" (And we all know how that turned out for Hiss after he rose to the bait and sued Chambers, don't we?)
Joe Schmoe USA --
That streaming video clip was great! It was a little hard to watch in the beginning, but it certainly had a wonderful ending. And didn't I see a croc get in on the action?
Yep -- there's strength in numbers.
I'm looking very forward to hearing how Mr. Spencer's talk goes!
Hi Robert
I will tell you the same thing that my Spartan ancestors said when they fought the persians back:
STAND YOUR GROUND
Robert: God, history and justice are on your side.
And you know it.
As the immortal Winston Churchill said:
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
I've added this peeve at furiocity.com
I am a lawyer in Toronto.
I can only say that I was filled with utter disgust and contempt as I read that letter.
That desciption of Mr. Spencer is something that is directly out of his client's mouth. This idiot doesn't have the intelligence to at least use the language that reflects his own mind.
It is too bad that he didn't "publish" it by copying the letter to someone else and provide the opportunity to sue him directly for defamation
This lawyer is in all probability Jewish, and for him to act for this nefarious organization is unconscionable. This dude doesn't sound like one of the lefty, politically correct variety and is all likelihood is only in it for the money and notoriety it that it brings.
I am afraid to say that he exhibits the traits of the worst of the species of lawyers.
Mr. Spencer, if there is anything I can ever do to assist you in Canada, or in any possible way, please do not hesitate to contact me directly
I agree on the unfair lawyer bashing. Unfortunately lawyers like John Edwards contributes to the bad rep that lawyers have in this country. However, if you've been (unfairly) accused of a crime, who do you turn to?
If there's any group of professionals who deserve lambasting, it's journalists. I'd say at least 70% are unethical liars. I put them below used car salesmen. (No offense to those here, there are exceptions in every case).
"a principled stand against terrorism and extremism" but whose principles? sounds like taqiyya.
i think we should follow CAIRs example of alerting individuals about about the character and nature of certain individuals and groups and contact Sandler, Reiff, & Young PC and especially any of their clients to let them know that their law firm is actively aiding a sharia supremacist front group founded by hamas.
Ah, the lovely and loving face of ISLAM. PUke.
Did you hear the news? A group of jihadis took over a large law firm, holding the lawyers there hostage. The jihadis called a local TV station and stated that if their demands were not met they would begin releasing 1 lawyer every hour.