Rosie O'Donnell, call your office: for some reason, it is Muslims who are going to put these gay Nigerians to death, not Christians. How very odd. "Gay Nigerians face Sharia death," from the BBC (thanks to John Doe):
Eighteen men have been remanded in prison following their arrest for alleged sodomy in northern Nigeria, the state-owned news agency, Nan, reports.The men were arrested in a hotel in north-eastern Bauchi State, which is governed by the Islamic Sharia law.
The Sharia punishment for sodomy is death by stoning.
The men, reportedly wearing women's clothes, are said to have gone to Bauchi town from neighbouring states to celebrate a "gay wedding".
Sharia judge Malam Tanimu ordered that the 18 be remanded in prison after they were arraigned before him on Wednesday.
Prosecuting police officer Tadius Boboi said the men's actions had contravened Sharia law, adopted in Bauchi and a dozen other states in Muslim northern Nigeria in 2000.
But its liberal that are more apt to defend Islam.
The comment seems to imply that no Christian anywhere hates homosexuals in any way, shape, or form. Unfortunately, I disagree, having met more than my share of violently homophobic Christians--some of whom did imply that they "wouldn't shed many tears" if homosexuals were to simply die. Islam's virulent hatred of homosexuals (and everyone else, for that matter) shouldn't mask the fact that Christianity's record in this area has also been less than spotless.
There, I said it. Now let the bashing begin.
...Men having relations with men irritates the Islamic clerics because they know Men cannot have babies....
GetBornAgain -
You're right - I have heard fundamentalist Christians call for death to gays. As my daughter is gay, it is very upsetting to hear this BS from any source, Christian or muslim.
GetBornAgain,
But is it mainstream? And is those Christians' "wouldn't shed many tears if they died" equal to the Muslims' "will personally see it to it that they die"? And do you get to be labeled an "apostate, worthy of death" by Christian bishops worldwide for condemning such behavior?
Questions, questions...
Christians who call for the deaths of gays go against the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. Muslims who do it, are in line with the teachings of Mo and Islam.
Sorry, its not the same thing.
"GetBornAgain,
But is it mainstream? And is those Christians' "wouldn't shed many tears if they died" equal to the Muslims' "will personally see it to it that they die"? And do you get to be labeled an "apostate, worthy of death" by Christian bishops worldwide for condemning such behavior?
Questions, questions..."
I only said that Christianity's conduct in this area has been "less than spotless," not that it's on par with Islam's. Nothing matches the sheer hatred Islam exudes for everything non-Muslim. My sole complaint is that too often Christianity gets absolved of certain things only to show that it's better than Islam. Honestly, I don't think it's necessary--it comes out as being far more peaceful than Islam even with all its blemishes. But these blemishes do exist, and I think we're doing the religion a disservice by ignoring them. It's precisely the willingless to question it and hold it to the highest standards that have made Christianity strong.
Hey, I cry foul! They are not being killed because they are gay. They are being killed because they are fornicators, and they have insulted Islam by having a wedding ceremony!
So, Ha!
GetBornAgain,
I see your point now. But this is not the time for self-skepticism. Self-skepticism ("We're just as bad as them!") and the tu quoque ("You're just as bad as us!") is the hammer the Left/Islam alliance uses in order to quash all criticism of their world-coveting enterprise.
Western civ. may have its flaws, but we're not now at leisure to discuss them. Now is the time of survivalist decisions.
ZionistYoungster
You are correct. Its down to us and them. Sadly many of us are siding with them. No one is perfect but the Judeao/Christian West is much better than the Islamic world.
Here's the difference: In western, Christian countries, homosexuality may be disapproved of by individuals, but in general the state does not consider it a crime. Even in the old days, when most states' laws made sodomy and pederasty crimes, they were not punishable by death, or even by severe penalties. Individuals may express their disapproval, but they have no power to impose any sanctions. If an individual kills a homosexual, the law considers him a murderer. Personally, I shed no tears when John Wayne Gacy was executed, nor when Jeff Dahmer was killed by a fellow inmate, nor would I if the same were to happen to Juan Corona. All three were homosexual multiple-murderers, but they were jailed for murder, not homosexuality.
In the West, the state, and the leadership of most Christian denominations, and most individual Christians express toleration for homosexuality, but individuals are free to hold other views.
Personally, I shed no tears when John Wayne Gacy was executed, nor when Jeff Dahmer was killed by a fellow inmate, nor would I if the same were to happen to Juan Corona. All three were homosexual multiple-murderers, but they were jailed for murder, not homosexuality.
In Islam, by contrast, it is the state, with all its power and authority that condemns and executes homosexuals, with the full backing of Islamic law.
GetBornAgain et. al.
The only "Christian" group, I've ever heard of that advocates killing Gays is that bizarre cult known as the Westboro Baptist Church, the proprietor of the infamous "God Hates Fags" Web site. This cult, which has less than 150 members goes around disrupting the funerals of US servicemen killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. The are also radically pro-Muslim supporting Iran and the Taliban.
When it comes to those who hate all gays, whether Muslims or cultists, I suspect their hatred may be simply the suppression their own desires. Personally, as a man who has no attraction to other males, it is beyond me to hate those who do. Speaking as Christian, when I stand at the Last Judgement, I have enough sins of my own to worry about than to obsess over other people's temptations to which I am immune.
Anyway, few observers would consider these cultists to be Christian at all since they loudly reject all scripture calling for compassion and love. Also, contrary to the most central tenent of Christianity, they hold that Jesus does not love sinners and did not die for them.
They make the one and only verse in the Torah calling for the execution of male homosexuals the center of their belief. While there are a couple of other verses in the Torah calling male sodomy an "abomination" the only place it has a legal punishment is that one verse I just mentioned. This verse is in Leviticus, which were the much stricter laws that applied only to the Jewish temple priesthood. While it may be an abomination for everyone else, if you were not a Levite, there was no civil or legal penalty for this sin.
There is also that one controversial verse in David's poem to his slain friend Yonathan that seems to celebrate male to male love (2 Samuel 26). Interstingly, the Old Testament is completely silent on the issue of Lesbianism.
Finally, while male homosexuality is condemed about six times in the entire Old Testament, the abomination of heterosexual adultery is condemned nearly a thousand times. So which is the worse sin?
Oops 2 Samuel 1:26
Beware of the site posted by EliasAlucard, it is infected. My anti-virus denied access.
The BBC reports (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6940061.stm) that:
"Eighteen men have been remanded in prison following their arrest for alleged sodomy in northern Nigeria, the state-owned news agency, Nan, reports.
"The men were arrested in a hotel in north-eastern Bauchi State, which is governed by the Islamic Sharia law."
But Rev Jim Sutter claims on the CAIR website (http://www5.hddweb.com/95376/Robert_Spencer_Article_PDF_Archived.pdf) that:
"Yet another fault in Spencer's logic relates to this lack of legal understandings along with a lack of understanding of Muslim customs. Muslim legal jurisprudence (Shar'ia law) is only applicable for Muslim residents of a Muslim country governed completely under pure Shar'ia law."
It seems that the BBC, the police and "Sharia judge Malam Tanimu" are also displaying a lack of "legal understandings" because Shar'ia law doesn't apply in Nigeria, does it, Jim?. Iran is the only country governed by "pure Shar'ia law" according to His Holiness, Mr Sutter.
I trust the good reverend and CAIR will put them straight on this issue.
"Speaking as Christian, when I stand at the Last Judgement, I have enough sins of my own to worry about than to obsess over other people's temptations to which I am immune." Posted by: Provoslavni
Well said.
EliasAlucard -- And your point is...?
Why drag out the "N" word?
Beware of the site posted by EliasAlucard, it is infected. My anti-virus denied access.
Posted by: interestinconundrum
I looked at the site, did I get infected? I wasn't about to download anything, but I was trying to find out if it was a serious site or a joke. The GNAA, if it exist, should be reading the article from the Beeb.
Provoslavni,
I checked out the Westboro Church web site. They are the most vile disgusting humans...right on par with the Talaban. The fact that they have the nerve to call themselves Christians puts a knot in my stomach. If they ever showed up at a funeral I was at I'd lob a cocktail of limburger cheese and any thing that smelled vile at them.
The MSM loves to give time to the Westboro church, since it makes all Fundamentalist Christians look bad. The biggoted anti-Christian Liberals love to use the Westboro chuch as an example.
EliasAlucard/
Oh, very funny. I haven't laughed so much in, oh ... about ten minutes.
But seriously folks; one has to ask when the gay community will wake up to the fact that Islam is their enemy and that we, despite our prejudices, are not.
That most of us try to seek to understand the human condition and all its glorious variations (even in the realm of sexuality) and that Muslims, by and large, do not, seems to have escaped the notice of most Western gays.
Why?
below is the link to a movie that despite it's title is quite serious. it is well done and vey funny. it runs 28 min. enjoy.
www.video.google.com/videoplay/docid=5121649266422516795
the title is "Gay Niggers of Outer Space" and can be found by googling the title.
never_submit/
No, human beings are not 'vile and disgusting' in and of themselves. Their thoughts and beliefs may be 'vile and disgusting' but no human should be categorised in that way.
All humans have souls which can be saved no matter how 'vile and disgusting' the evil that grips them.
Pray for these people and find it in your heart to forgive them and to ask God, through Christ, to make them whole and to forgive them. One must not use the Promise of Peter to damn others. That's not right or Christian, even though they try to do it. It seems to me that they are merely one of the trials that we must undergo in order to become more Christlike ourselves.
GetBornAgain:
I have never met a Christian who wished bad on homosexuals. Homosexual is wrong..the Bible states this! But I say this for many Christians...don't hate the person but hate his/her act! And pray for them.
Sorry Cher, meet one now. This is from the BBC link:
"Kenny, a Nigerian in Malaysia said: It is a taboo and it should remain a taboo. They should be killed by hanging. A country can have its own law. I am a christian and i support the sharia law in doing it. "
Who needs enemies with friends like Kenny?
Oliver,
Good point and well said...but I'd still be lobbing the limburger cheese at them if they were at my kids' funeral.
I think G-d would get a good chuckle out of that.