Muslim- and Arab-American leaders are upset that the FBI didn't consult them — as it has done in other instances — before releasing the photos on the Internet and to news organizations. […] "We need to get some type of apology from them and figure out how to get back to where we were," said Rita Zawaideh, head of the Arab-American Community Coalition. -- from this article
"As it [the FBI] has done in other instances"!
Why has the FBI ever consulted, for one minute, with "Muslim and Arab-American groups" on its standard procedures? Releasing pictures of those who are sought for past or likely future criminal activity is routine, and is a most successful method, proven to work. Just look at how many of those publicized by John Walsh on "America's Most Wanted" have been subsequently seen by viewers and reported to the police. It is idiotic for police methods to change.
And why were they changed ever? Why were "Muslims and Arab-Americans" ever, apparently, allowed to censor this procedure? And what don't we know? And why do we all suspect, or have good reason to know after having talked to certain officials in law enforcement, to think that a great deal is being hidden from us so as not to arouse the public, not to create any "animus" toward those "Muslims and Arab-Americans" who, in organized groups, apparently think they have a perfect right to limit the public's safety in several ways? They do it when they slyly deny the reason for acts of terrorism by Muslims, and slyly deny in every way they can what is in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and offer only the continued treacly and dangerously misleading propaganda about Islam at those phony Muslim Outreach Nights, those idiotic "Interfaith" sessions ("three abrahamic faiths" etcetera) intended to ensure -- because at this point threats will not do the trick, the Infidels are as yet uncowed, and too numerous for that -- that Muslims will remain safe from the widespread suspicion that they would arouse and do arouse among any Infidels who actually take the time to study the texts, tenets, attitudes of Islam.
Those texts, tenets, and attitudes are observable all over the world, in Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, and not just now, but for the entire history of Islam. For those texts are immutable, and they mean what they say. And so it becomes all the more suspicious when American Muslims do not denounce, day and night, terrorism as a weapon of Jihad -- and when they complain when the police force of the Infidels dares to use the methods it has used for more than a century (those "Wanted Posters" are part of American lore, especially in the West). No other group dares to presume to interfere with such efforts.
Why should Muslim and Arab-American groups have any say in what the police do or not do in such a matter? It is perfectly appropriate, and especially necessary in cases of suspected preparations for acts of terrorism, to enhance our common safety (that is, the safety of non-Muslims, those who inherited the political and legal institutions, and cultural legacy, created in turn by generations of non-Muslims, of this country), by disseminating pictures of suspects. This is a most useful tool.
This is the kind of behavior from Muslims that is so outrageous that it will prove, in the end, useful to those of us who think the sleepwalking public needs a shake or two. For anyone living in Seattle can take the ferry, and anyone might be able to imagine himself on that ferry, with that bomb going off. And now that the photograph of the two suspects have been widely publicized, if those two are innocent they have only to step forth and demonstrate it. Meanwhile, those who recognize their faces now have a duty to step forth and identify them -- especially if the two men in question do not present themselves. And non-Muslims are going to have a very hard time, indeed, as they imagine themselves or possibly their children on that ferry, being sympathetic to Muslim demands, Muslim outrage. No, that outrage is likely to meet with ever-growing Infidel outrage, and once the denial-interfaith-outreach-it’s-all-been-exaggerated cord has been snapped in Infidel brains, once the connection is gone, it can never be put back the way it was.
And it all the result of Muslim behavior. For if they were not to protest, but to eagerly pledge their cooperation and what’s more, deliver on that cooperation, then the mounting suspicion, that grows higher every day, would not mount, or would not mount at quite the same rate.
So the outrageous behavior of CAIR and other Muslims is in fact a good thing, it is having good effects on Infidels.
The FBI should be bombarded with e-mails demanding why Muslim groups are to be consulted before posting a picture of a suspect.
One question continues to bother me. How do the Muslim groups know these guys are Muslim? Sure they look like they could be Middle Easterners, but that doesn't mean they are Muslim. Are Muslim groups participating in Muslim profiling?
Greetings:
This type of attack on established public safety procedures by a "victim" group goes back to the AIDS epidemic when homosexual groups were able to undermine well established public health procedures by throw hissy fits and demanding "privacy" rights at the expense of the general public.
Currently, out where I live, a Hepatitis A infectedfood service worker had been identified only as working at a specific establishment during a certain period of time. The worker has not been identified either by name or residence. The mainstream media does not seem to have any interest in identifying the individual to the public.
So goes America in the 21st century.
They do it when they slyly deny the reason for acts of terrorism by Muslims, and slyly deny in every way they can what is in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and offer only the continued treacly and dangerously misleading propaganda about Islam at those phony Muslim Outreach Nights, those idiotic "Interfaith" sessions ("three abrahamic faiths" etcetera) intended to ensure --
Da'wa should be immediately outlawed. Once it is presented, and rejected by reasonable people, it is the first step in justifying, in the stupefying ideology of Islam, attack against the infidels who rejected it. Dar-al-Harb is now declared, and warring on the infidels is justified. There should be no concession by authorities in the West vested with protecting the public good to any Arab-Muslim-American demands, since each such demand is a form of Da'wa, which is a devious invitation to their allah's law for all the lands. Da'wa is always the first step, and by its own admission is a call to war against us when rejected. It must not only be rejected in advance, but outlawed as a danger to the public good.
Terrahawk:
One question continues to bother me. How do the Muslim groups know these guys are Muslim? Sure they look like they could be Middle Easterners, but that doesn't mean they are Muslim.
It is probably arrogance. Muslims assume that that anyone Middle Eastern is Muslim. They are most likely shocked to find out they are not.
One question continues to bother me. How do the Muslim groups know these guys are Muslim? Sure they look like they could be Middle Easterners, but that doesn't mean they are Muslim.
Who else comes to the United States with murderous intent?
Who else would be nosing around unauthorized areas of public transport and asking suspicious questions?
Israelis?
Armenians?
Latinos?
If they were not quilty they would already have identified themselves.
It's a no-brainer!
As Shakespeare would have said to the Muslim groups: "Me thinks thou doth protest too much!"
Good question, Terrahawk.
hhmmm, makes me wonder - do they consult with the mafia godfathers before taking out mafia gang murderers? or do they consult with gang leaders when taking out gang leaders?
It makes me wonder how utterly stupid the FBI really are. I actually believe that they have consulted with muslims about their fellow muslims because their policiy of appeasement is sickening.
There reason there is so much cow-towing to mooselems by government is...follow the money trail.Hugh you should send that letter to the Seattle Times as a letter to the editor...
They're referring to a good side of a bad situation.
History's shown that when a harsh crackdown occurs, it does have its effectiveness of stopping something...but the drawback is, it doesn't eliminate the threat-the threat only goes underground, making it far more difficult to nab them...
...better to let them get bolder, as they also show a history of getting more cocky, and complacent, as our clowns near Seattle proved (by allowing their pictures taken & not evading like most do).
It's all in the risk factors...the only other option is to simply take them all out and shoot them (lol, as if that will ever happen, puhlease!), but the same pissers-n-moaners will complain about that one, too ("eewwwww, *sniff* *sniff*...that's inseeeeeensitive! It's biiiiiigoted! It's "cruel & unusual", it's "this"...it's "that"...!!!")
In light of those pc brownshirts influencing policy (not to mention the wimps in even HIGHER office letting them get away with it), letting the terrorists come out from hiding in the woodwork is the next best thing...(the cockroach theory works)
it stinks,
it's not "good",
but the alternatives are so limited by those same pc brownshirts, especially the 5th column in elected office running interference for them, it's the only viable alternative left (NO pun intended) to let them show their faces...so we KNOW who the hell they are, and what they're trying to do.
Like I said...good side of a bad situation.
Muslims think of the FBI as the Federal Bureau of Infidels, and they do not think that they are behaving in an appropriately dhimmi-like fashion.
My guess is that this "incident" was, like the flying imams, a deliberately provocative act staged to entrap suspicious infidels into betraying "racist" bias against Muslims.
Now, we know better - we're non-racists biased against Muslims.
Indeed, Hugh, much of the time when Muslims lash out it is a good thing.
Charles Martel at Tours and Chingiss' army at Bukhara won with a feigned retreat -- the forces of fanatics are undisciplined and will overplay their cards, will lash out in uncoordinated manner and will expose all kinds of weakness when they think they are safe.
jewdog, I doubt this was a provocation, a dry run, maybe, more likely a screw up by the overeager.
CAIR would shut up (to media) and lay low for awhile at this point if they knew what's good for jihad, but they just can't help it can they.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is doing exactly what it must do to protect the American
homeland from terrorism. A kinder, gentler FBI
with a scripted politically correct persona would
in fact deliver a death knell to our civilization
...Islamofacists rely heavily upon stealth and
trickery when dealing with western culture, and
therefore prey upon the naivete of the 'infidels.'
We are a world at war with Islamic terrorists, where "without victory there is no survival."
my words, navajocodetalker
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is doing exactly what it must do to protect the American
homeland from terrorism. A kinder, gentler FBI
with a scripted politically correct persona would
in fact deliver a death knell to our civilization
...Islamofacists rely heavily upon stealth and
trickery when dealing with western culture, and
therefore prey upon the naivete of the 'infidels.'
We are a world at war with Islamic terrorists, where "without victory there is no survival."
my words, navajocodetalker
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is doing exactly what it must do to protect the American
homeland from terrorism. A kinder, gentler FBI
with a scripted politically correct persona would
in fact deliver a death knell to our civilization
...Islamofacists rely heavily upon stealth and
trickery when dealing with western culture, and
therefore prey upon the naivete of the 'infidels.'
We are a world at war with Islamic terrorists, where "without victory there is no survival."
my words, navajocodetalker
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is doing exactly what it must do to protect the American
homeland from terrorism. A kinder, gentler FBI
with a scripted politically correct persona would
in fact deliver a death knell to our civilization
...Islamofacists rely heavily upon stealth and
trickery when dealing with western culture, and
therefore prey upon the naivete of the 'infidels.'
We are a world at war with Islamic terrorists, where "without victory there is no survival."
my words, navajocodetalker
A provocation seems a likely explanation to me.
These kinds of incidents have been occuring throughout the ferry system for years, there were two "middle-eastern" men observed taking suspicious pictures on a number of different runs
awhile back. I, personally, saw two (again two) "middle-eastern" men taking very untourist photos of landing operations, empty ramps etc. as I was departing one. They were noticed by the ferry workers as well and I believe someone had a talk with them. Standard operating procedure. Nowadays there is usually law enforcement around just as there are bomb-sniffing dogs for the cars boarding and coast guard boats following the ferries (the huge added expensives of protecting ourselves from Muslims). In this particular incident, there happened to be no law-enforcement on-board so ferry workers just took the pictures and passed them around.
It looks to me like these are deliberate attempts to spook or provoke a reaction. Because they draw attention to themselves. (I'm assuming they are not stupid). It would be informative to know what the FBI knows about the previous incidents and the characters they've talked to, we might get a better idea if this is a genuine operation-in-progress or a ruse.