Hmmm. How would one go about trying to eliminate and destroy Western civilization from within? Would one's strategy in doing that involve trying to intimidate critics of Islamic jihad into silence, and threatening those who examine the elements of Islam that incite to violence and teach Islamic supremacism? "Prosecutors slowly build case against Muslim charity," by David Koenig for Associated Press (thanks to Twostellas):
DALLAS (AP) - Prosecutors have shown a jury evidence that leaders of a local Muslim charity were outraged by Israel's treatment of Palestinians, they sang pro-Hamas songs and had financial dealings with a man whom the U.S. government would later call a terrorist.Whether any of that amounted to a crime seemed uncertain after the first two weeks of a trial in federal district court that could last several months.
Federal prosecutors used wiretapped phone calls and videos seized in police raids to slowly build their case that officials of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development raised millions for Hamas terrorists.
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Holy Land was the largest Muslim charity in the United States when federal agents shut it down in December 2001. President Bush personally announced that its assets had been seized.
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On one of the tapes, a Muslim Brotherhood leader implored Muslims in North America to do their part in "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within."...
You can see this at work in just about every western country. Sigh.
Gee...what a shock!
Now how would they destroy us from within?
Hmmm...lemme think...oh, yeah, infiltrate the media, academia, governmental agencies, even elected office and...wait, that sounds a lot like the brownshirts of the political correctness collaborators exposed by David Horowitz http://www.discoverthenetwork.org
but with a twist...
...when you have collaborators already on the inside tearing things apart from within, one need only ride those very same coattails, wait until they've done your work for ya...then once they outlive their usefulness...KILL them, and institute sharia law, or lay waste to what's left (no pun intended) of the country.
By the time their useful idiots realize they've been taken for expendable pawns they are in the grand jihad scheme, it will be too late...only thing left will be the dead, the vichy quislings, and the grand caliphate under sharia law.
It's not rocket science, nor a state secret.
jcom972, except for using the term "vichy quislings" which is rather like mixing metaphors, I agree with you entirely
Karl
"...when you have collaborators already on the inside tearing things apart from within, one need only ride those very same coattails, wait until they've done your work for ya...then once they outlive their usefulness...KILL them, and institute sharia law, or lay waste to what's left (no pun intended) of the country."
Isn't that the same thing the Communists did? Same aberrated ideology of destroy in order to control, different name and clothing line.
I don't know, I thought vichy quislings was quite appropo.
The one thing that gets me about this is any of you guys here could take Ibrahim Hooper with half your brain tied behind your backs. To think that America might fall because of somebody who acts like that, who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar on an ongoing basis and who's big mouth and lack of logic makes him look foolish everytime he opens it, puleeeeeze. For him and people like him to succeed, we'd need to be a lot more than just stupid, we'd have to be totally lazy.
And Jcom972, OT a little bit but, I read your information on the Green River Basin. Very interesting...so what's in it for our leaders not to be pursuing this avenue? It can't be about the Green Vegan Gnomes and Fairies pitching a fit in union with the EPA. They'll be the first to disappear and become useless in society if Islam takes over. (Remember what Tucker Carlson said about vegans having little or no sex drive.) If we've got it here then why are we continuing to pay our enemies to destroy us?
Populate, Propagate, and Dominate - that's the Plan.
STOP LETTING 'EM IN, STUPID GOVERNMENT!
Re: On one of the tapes, a Muslim Brotherhood leader implored Muslims in North America to do their part in "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within."...
I would not underestimate these demented people in drug trafficking, anything that would help their supremacist Nazi style will-to-dominate. They will seek to exploit and dominate and hurt unbelievers since their belief-system has enabled them to dehumanize unbelievers. They will employ the methods Hitler recommended in Mein Kampf to silence and intimidate critics by using what Hitler called "spiritual terror". (I think folks should become familiar with Mein Kampf as well as the Qu'ran.)
Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Muslim world, along with the Qu'ran. I wonder why.
...and it certainly wouldn't hurt to severely limit access to the hard sciences, engineering, and computer science.
similarly, stop appointing moslems with questionable backgrounds to public safety positions (like highlighted in the central ohio area here on JW recently)
somewhat related, has anyone seen anything about the controversy concerning the republican nominee (Faisal Gill) for a Prince William seat to the VA house of delegates? the results have been challenged/appealed by his opponent due to irregularities at the nominating convention.
Faisal Gill has been written about here at JW/Frontpagemagazine and by Michelle Malkin, Frank Gaffney and Washington Jewish Weekly due to supposed ties to Abdurahman Alamoudi who was indicted on terrorism-related money-laundering charges
The enemy within...where have I heard that saying before? Hmmmmmm....
"Jihad charity case: U.S. Muslims exhorted to wage "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within"
With the help of deluded Western political, social, academic and religious, leaders in the West, I don't see why they wouldn't suceed.
On one of the tapes, a Muslim Brotherhood leader implored Muslims in North America to do their part in "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within."...
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This is exactly what is destroying Europe, radical muslims came in under the guise of being a peaceful people and little by little have undermined the countries they have infested. And as has been shown, will turn every country that gave them refuge into another wasteland with no freedom. Modern living goes against their very existence. This country better wake up.
schwaben...true, but when destroying enemies within, there's no such thing as overkill, lol
(yes, we're on the same page)
Isabella, the reference was incomplete, my fault-it's called the permian basin/ green river basin...and yes we will, but it's not like a lightswitch to turn on/off-it must be developed first, and that is still in its infant stage-it will be in full swing by 2013-15. In the mean time, better to buy what's outside first, at least for now, so when things run dry elsewhere, we still have our own (sometimes hard decisions require twisted brilliance)...now if we can just keep some socialist from turning THAT area into yet another "national park" to prevent access like was done in Utah out of sheer political revenge (like placing 3rd in national elections in '92), we'll succeed.
darcy...agreed, but the ones being LET in government are being let in by people who got VOTED in...let's stop voting them in, and we can start by using kieth ellison as an example (though there are plenty of older ones too).
eve anne gelical...now THAT is a REAL sore spot, and you're spot on, especilly those working in software development like many are, who also happen to have contracts with such sensitive areas as the DEFENSE department...sheer stupidity on our part (how else do we think OBL got access to Air Force One communications to taunt them on 9/11 right after the big hits without software to run the program? It sure wasn't sheer luck).
B-I-G H-I-N-T of the day.
adam...though RFK wrote a book on it way back, the most up-to-date one can be found here
http://www.amazon.com/Enemy-Within-America-Liberal-Military/dp/0785261028
rational...one reason they haven't succeeded yet is the one thing that stands in their way-the fact that, unlike other countries, we have a fully armed citizenry (which cannot be stressed enough), armed with more guns that people, willing to use them, KNOW how to use them, and know what jihadists really are all about, and know the limits of tolerating those jihadists has been reached. Jihadists will NOT risk it unless they have all the marbles...and their collaborators who relentlessly seek to disarm them will NEVER succeed in that quest (2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, it's about TYRANNY, which this situation is case-in-point for carrying machine guns).
THAT's why they won't succeed...the only thing in question is the cost to us, and how much damage the collaborators can do before the jihadists attempt their all-out attack, which is imminent.
It's only a question of when.
infidel...I don't suppose they have any BAGELS left? LOL (j/k...hey, I love bagels, especially with cream cheese in the morning with coffee and my wife, and not necessarily in that order, lol)
rgr...bingo, couldn't have said it better myself.
When all is said & done, it all boils down to one factor that will save us all, when we tell the jiahdist with one united world voice:
"F*CK YOU! I LIKE BREATHING! *BOOM!!!!* "
rgr50279,
"Infested" is a good description.
Somehow we got it into our heads that we must make up (?) for all those years we "colonized" the Muslim world, after the fall of the Ottomans.
Freedom isn't free. It requires the blood, sweat and tears of those who seek it and who seek to keep it. Now, we have decided we would rather not get our hands dirty.
The end of the free world is near. The insect that is Islam will soon have control, all because we were afraid to whip out our can of RAID, lest it offend their delicate sensibilities.
"On one of the tapes, a Muslim Brotherhood leader implored Muslims in North America to do their part in "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within."...
For more on the grand design of the Muslim Brotherhood, check this out.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID={61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4}
Written in 1982, it presages a lot of the inroads the Islamists have made into Western Civ., including Al-Jazeera
I predict we will see a similar story about CAIR in the future.
www.caliphate2007.com, "the khilafah the need and the method," was in London at Alexandra Palace today hosted by hizb ut-tahrir.
anyone in the UK know anything about it?
there is also a huge gathering in Indonesia next weekend.
certainly hope that some CIA types are there
Federal prosecutors ... slowly build their case that officials of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development raised millions for Hamas terrorists.
Cuff me. Arrest me. Throw me in federal prison. Cuz every time I pay taxes to Uncle Sam I raise money for Hamas terrorists... in the form of the $500,000,000 we give the Palestinian National Authority every year.
The PNA, of course, is led by a Hamas government.
Yet another group of people misinterpretting the meaning of Jihad and/or taking it out of context
[sarcasm off]
"'They're singing Palestinian songs about the Intifada. The rhetoric is emotional,' Meek said."
We should sing some emotional songs that include rhetoric about limiting Muslim immigation into this country. After all, is just emotional rhetoric.
[ok, now the sarcasm really is off]
JSobieski:
How's this for a song? (Hope the link works)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BT5eavC0Ltg&mode=related&search=
THROUGH PEACE THEY WILL CONQUER
Actually, the real way that Muslims seek to destroy Western Civilization from within is through immigration. First, they devalue the concept of the nuclear family in the West, promote abortion, and discourage Christians from having large families. Meanwhile, they move into the Western nation of their choice, take advantage of that nation's liberality and generosity, and breed like roaches. Eventually, they will actually hold a majority in the nation in just a few generations.
This strategy is working brilliantly in Europe ALREADY. Just watch the ruler of Libya boasting about it openly on Youtube "Libyan president says West should convert to Islam".
END MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW!
The evidence continues to mount up so even those Moonbats who never bother to read the Koran before declaring Islam the ROP will not be able to deny it any longer. There is NO Moderate Islam there is NO Militant Islam there is just ISLAM. The only difference is one branch want to take over by stealth and deceit and the other by brute force either way the objective is the same world domination for Islam.
Realist wrote:
"There is NO Moderate Islam there is NO Militant Islam there is just ISLAM. The only difference is one branch want to take over by stealth and deceit and the other by brute force either way the objective is the same world domination for Islam."
Quoted for emphasis. These words, and the reality behind them, rings irrefutably clear and true.
This is the real "inconvenient truth" of our current existence.
OT
Two things:
#1 - Did anyone else notice that Jihad Watch was not loading for a while tonight, or was it just my connection?
#2 - Breaking News - In Goose Creek South Carolina, Police have found explosives in a van driven by what witnesses describe as two men of Middle East descent.
Here's the link:
http://www.live5news.com/news/state/8915037.html
Cheers,
Doc Bulldog
I too had trouble loading JW and DW tonight. All other sites I visit loaded normally. Though this may mean nothing.
Doc Bulldog:
You're right. It was down for a while.
Hebrew Handyman, that's a bit harsh.
Thanks for letting me know. And here I was scratching my head and resetting my router about five times...
Cheers,
Doc Bulldog
Although the group stressed a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within, Tom Casey of the State Department stressed that there was no indication of a terrorist connection.
It is absolutely outrageous and reprehensible for anyone to suggest a religious basis for terror, whether the individuals are Muslim, Christian, Jewish or those of any other religion, a clearly agitated Casey told reporters, shaking his head in disgust.
Gonzalez is a discredited idiot and needs to rein in his prosecutors, Casey seethed, this is about hearts and minds, moms and dads. We hope the Justice Department exercises better judgment in the future.
“Every Muslim church needs to be monitored on thing such as this. And don't chime in about freedom of religion. I'm for shooting these animals first, before they can get to us.”
Posted by: Hebrew Handyman
I’m not a lawyer, but I have a copy of the U.S. Constitution before me.
With regard to the 1st amendment it says
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”
But it also says Article III Section 3
“Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them OR IN ADHERING TO THEIR ENEMIES, GIVING THEM AID AND COMFORT. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on testimony of TWO witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason,…”
So in other words any religious group can meet. You and a friend can ask to attend a meeting as “investigators of truth”.
If you think that a religious group can have meetings that directly or indirectly threaten the stability of the Union. Go ask the Branch Davidians in Waco.
Get the feeling sometimes that we're just talking to each other on this site and that a large majority of Americans don't care or don't know or both (including our esteemed politicians) about what Islam really has in store for the West? I have such a feeling often. Islamic demographics + Islamic terror + Western ignorance is potentially the lethal three strikes and you're out facing our civilization long term. Anybody care to make the argument were better off than worse off right now, that America's on top of the enormous danger that Islam, one way or another, poses to our Constitution and our entire way of life? I'd be hard pressed to make such an argument in light of the continuing abysmal dearth of knowledge about Islam by the folks here in the State at the top of the food chain, i.e., politicians, the business elite, academics, the media, etc. Doesn't look good from my vantage point and I'm not ordinarily a pessimist.
Already beat you to this conclusion Wellington. Frankly it's easier for the elite to say Bush lied about WMD and not the RoP tm.
Second most "citizens" are very well distracted by the Media "Circus". And just like the Romans they will party and revel as long as the Free Bread and matches on reality TV continue. The elite will fiddle while it all burns down and the Barbarians sack and loot.
The Muslims are playing both sides and doing it beautifully.
Unfortunately for them, I've been onto it for at least 3 years now.
I'm more determined than ever to put a stop to Islam in the Western world.
The solution they don't want us to come to accept is so painfully simple: no Muslim is to be trusted, no Muslim is 100% loyal to its non-Islamic government, no Muslim can therefore be exempt from suspicion, and therefore all Muslims should be consider an enemy of the State by default.
That's what they don't want us to accept. And as long as we waffle and pander and appease and hold out hope for the "good" Muslims to save us from the "bad" Muslims, they will eventually spread Islam and Sharia to such an extent that they become irreversible trends in our free nations.
How to stop this eventuality?
Declare Islam the Enemy. Do you really think I've been saying that statement just to watch myself type? It isn't insanity, it's a DRUMBEAT.
Islam is the Enemy.
A drumbeat for our side in this war.
Islam is the Enemy.
Get it clear. Get it clear in your minds.
You want a damn solution to this conflict -- then kick these enemies out of our democracies.
You want to lose to Islam?
Do nothing.
So many of us are expert at doing nothing, losing is easy.
Unlike us, our enemies are unified. They have few rifts that separate them from the ultimate cause, because Islamic domination is the primary tenet of Islam. Any Muslim that states otherwise is either ignorant or a filthy liar.
So what is it going to be people? Do you love your countries? Do you love your family and friends? Do you love your fellow citizens? Do you love your non-Muslim faiths and your freedom to not practice any religion should you so choose?
Well, then, it's about damn time to start getting my message.
It's way past time.
Just 3 years Foehammer? Good...
24 years here, with the battle scars to prove it...you're pretty damned good, too. Keep it up!
^5s
I remember as a kid listening to conversations between my father and his associates on the Navy Base. I can't pretend to have understood then all they talked about the Sunni/ Shia rift. The fact they want to impose Sharia Law on the world and the influances of one fellow named Qutb. They said alot about if they weren't killing each other, they'd be killing us. This was in 1977, before the fall of the Shah of Iran. Honestly they also didn't have much good to say about Dhimmy Carter either.
This conversation stuck with me, because it was one of the times that as a child I snuck into the kitchen to hear what the grown ups talk about when you're not around.
The entire thing. It just flowed off my fingertips:
So Painfully Simple
War.
Of course they wouldn't...he's the father of the islamic revolution.
Foe,
I like that slogan ya got on your site comment...
"Own your enemy and it cannot defeat you.
Know your enemy and you will know where to start."
Much like ours we use effectively 100% of the time when we're allowed to use common sense (the age-old absolute opposite of political correctness, which is en vogue down our throats):
"When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
@jcom972: I like your slogan just as much.
Well, Western Civilization has been doing a pretty good job of destroying itself from within without any Muslim help, thank you. The "Media Circus" mentioned by posters above is evidence that this is happening.
Assalamau Laikum all,
The modern world leads to WMD, indisciple, lack of faith and uncovered meats on display.
Going forward this is not a good model, it it better to have less and be happy and at peace. This can only be achieved through prayer to Allah SWT and living the entity called Islam.
I know that you may have to forgo air conditioning and a leather suitees ...but surely this is a small price for paeace.
The modern word is not compatible with Islam...therefore the modern world need to change. The Koran, and it's modus operandi cannot change or be allowed to change...they can only be adhered to....they must be adheared to.
So what if you swat a bit more, so what of you have to pray 5 times a day...it's good for you...Islam is good for you....see you at the mosque soon....for Bilal prayer
Allah Hafiz
Dear Tookson:
First, they devalue the concept of the nuclear family in the West, promote abortion, and discourage Christians from having large families.
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Abortion, as far as I know, is not practiced by Muslims, but I haven't seen anything that I know of where Muslims are promoting abortion for non-believers.
Do you have any references for that?
(On a side note: I would not that contraceptives have destroyed this country - i.e. it's biting us in the butt now as Muslims have a much higher birthrate than native citizens in the States do. Europe is a prime example of the disaster that is looming over America if we don't change our ways)
Dear Allah Hafiz:
External "peace" imposed by force is not a real peace, but an illusion of peace.
I already have a peace that this world cannot give. That no amount of external turmoil or threat can remove.
Islam seeks to impose...
Christ invites...
... a Muslim Brotherhood leader implored Muslims in North America to do their part in "a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within."
The very same Moslem Brotherhood, the beady-eyed Nancy Peolosi, third in line for the presidency, sought out in Egypt a week or so ago... for advice on how to make Moslems happy.
Poor, poor Nasseem, how do you know whether we pray 5 times a day or all day long? You are so convinced of the holiness of your religion that you refuse to see its sinfulness. I wonder if you would have been given the chance to be educated in all religions of the world at a young age if you would have chosen islam given its history and laws. I venture to say not. I suggest you study other faiths and compare the present day civility towards people and rate islam for its attempt. It is at the bottom of the list. Brutal, oppressive and deluded is your faith. We will never bend to the will of islam.