Jihad: From Jakarta To The Whitehouse?

Lately, I, too, have been referring to the White House as Gedung Putih.

Bush has convinced me he is the first muslim president.

It is funny that this is brought up. this weekend I was saying Obama was born a muslim and we will be in big trouble worldwide since muslims feel that once a muslim always a muslim. even if he truly is converted from islam (which I don't trust) his chosen church is very prejudiced against non-blacks.

So, basically Obama went from a religion that is very prejudiced against non-muslims to one that is very prejudiced against non-whites.

I do believe we have a very prejudiced man who speaks softly (and not very brightly quite often) and could fool a lot of people of his true self. But, I look at his voting record - and he is a dangerous man that is hoping to be president and there are a lot of ignorant people out there who are very angry that Bush won two times that would vote for this very prejudiced man.

He election would be a very, big setback. It would set us further than a another Clinton presidence since I remember the Clinton years and our citizens being attacked, and killed, time and again in his term - and him helping the muslims slaughter more muslims in Eastern Europe. I do believe that this is the first of a time that is very dangerous. I don't believe this will be the last time we face dangers within. (I am not counting the current threat and acceptance by our politicians and news peoples that we will be attacked again within our borders by muslims that I keep hearing on the news)

"I have no way of knowing how accurate this is. If anyone knows Bahasa Indonesia, please weigh in with your thoughts."
-- from Robert Spencer's comment above

Robert-- You know perfectly well you can read Bahasa. I am holding in my hands right now "Islam Ditelanjangi" with its subtitle "Pertanyan-Pertanyaan Subversif Seputar Doktrin Dan Tradisi Kaum Muslim." Written by none other than Mr. Robert Spencer. You've even inscribed it, in Bahasa. Many's the time we have spoken in that language in airport lounges to keep from being understood. You don't have to hide it at JW. At this site, you're among friends. No one will be eavesdropping. So no need for the blague.

Obama should disqualify himself, or change his name, or go into another facet of show business.

So what if his father is a muslim ? So is Amanpours. Has this affected her attitude ?

(kinda reminds one of the fellow in the ME who was half Israeli and half "palestinean". Every night he tried to kill himself).

islam has to get over a legacy of lying, bigotry, and bad arguments.It is questionable whether it can do this.

Why would Obama attend an anti white Church? He is half white. What is it with the media anyway? He is half black half white but all they talk about is that he is black. His white heritage doesnt count?

And if he was born a Muslim, he is Muslim in the eyes of Islam or a apostate.

A Mrs. Powel waited outside the Constitutional Convention on September 18, 1787 and approached Benjamin Franklin as he walked out:

"Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"; "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.

I’d argue that we’ve transformed ourselves from a republic into a business. Businesses are OK, while they’re solvent.

I spent about 4 months in Indonesia(about 1980). I had no preconcieved notions about Islam, as I was very uninformed as to anything about other religions, and did not consider myself anything other than agnostic. I worked on the telecommunications station near Jatilahur. My impression of this place was that a human life was worth next to nothing, do we want this to spread to our society? If it does, perhaps there will be many more factions willing to suicide to achieve political strength. After all, a human life is worth nothing. I was so glad to leave this awful place, please don't allow this horror to visit our shore.

Please, Robert, answer this:

If B. Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Muslim dad) then why isn't there a fatwa for the head of this apostate? I just don't get how he was "allowed" to leave Islam when untold numbers have been driven out, slain or worse?

Only in America could there be a war with a Hussein, and a few years later be talking about electing one!

Too meta for me...

Is there anything in the Koran that mentions infiltrating the infidel by pretending to be one? I'm really curious...

Not to worry once they find out he is a apostate Obama rage will be the new rage. The point is Obama will not be president. He will not beat Clinton in the nomination process. Also his black power church will not help his cause either in the end. Remember most Americans are not liberals or conservative but moderate.

My only thing with Obama that should worry conservatives is his lets bomb Pakistan idea and lets convert coal to oil idea are something a republican should have come up with. The fact that a liberal can beat conservatives to such issues is a bad sign that the GOP have become bogged down in Iraq.

It means 'Reach/Strive/Grab for Victory' if I remember my Bahasa. They obviously have identified Obama as 'one of them'.

"Why would Obama attend an anti white Church? He is half white. What is it with the media anyway? He is half black half white but all they talk about is that he is black. His white heritage doesnt count?"

Elric66,

No, Elric66, Obama's white heritage doesnt count. He thinks of himself as Black, as most Blacks with White blood in them do. That's why he's a member of an anti-White church.

Don't be fooled by any of this half white/half black bull. If elected he'll be a black President promoting a Black agenda. He does not, and will not, identify as White. Period.

And don't look for the coast guard to turn back boat loads of Hatians ever again.

Was Obama ever truly a Muslim, though? I know he went to an Islamic school as a kid, but I'm not sure if he really ever adopted the faith. Anyway, I think all these concerns about his being some sort of "secret" Muslim are as false as the many conspiracy theories the Arab world finds so attractive ("Jews were behind 9/11," etc.). Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate (which in itself makes him better than our current travesty of a leader) and because he at least has an inkling of what to do about jihad (and let's face it, Tom Tancredo ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani). And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two.

Was Obama ever truly a Muslim, though? I know he went to an Islamic school as a kid, but I'm not sure if he really ever adopted the faith. Anyway, I think all these concerns about his being some sort of "secret" Muslim are as false as the many conspiracy theories the Arab world finds so attractive ("Jews were behind 9/11," etc.). Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate (which in itself makes him better than our current travesty of a leader) and because he at least has an inkling of what to do about jihad (and let's face it, Tom Tancredo ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani). And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two.

Was Obama ever truly a Muslim, though? I know he went to an Islamic school as a kid, but I'm not sure if he really ever adopted the faith. Anyway, I think all these concerns about his being some sort of "secret" Muslim are as false as the many conspiracy theories the Arab world finds so attractive ("Jews were behind 9/11," etc.). Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate (which in itself makes him better than our current travesty of a leader) and because he at least has an inkling of what to do about jihad (and let's face it, Tom Tancredo ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani). And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two.

Was Obama ever truly a Muslim, though? I know he went to an Islamic school as a kid, but I'm not sure if he really ever adopted the faith. Anyway, I think all these concerns about his being some sort of "secret" Muslim are as false as the many conspiracy theories the Arab world finds so attractive ("Jews were behind 9/11," etc.). Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate (which in itself makes him better than our current travesty of a leader) and because he at least has an inkling of what to do about jihad (and let's face it, Tom Tancredo ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani). And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two.

rational

Very true. No argument here. I just find it racist that someone who is half black/half white claims to be all black. I wonder how his mother feels that her side of the family doesnt matter.

GBA wrote:
"Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate"

Careful, GBA, the last person that referred to Obama as articulate was sacrificed on the alter of PC.

GBA:
"{Tancredo}ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani)".

Delightful racist? Based on what?

GBA:
"And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two."

Here's hoping for a cold six-pack in your fridge next November.

Is GBA the new Naseem?

Cold six-pack in my fridge next november? Perhaps. Honestly, I'm not enamored of the candidates on either side this time. Obama on the left, maybe Tancredo on the right, and that's about it. The others are either grossly incompetent or are ok but stand no chance of getting nominated. So the chances of me spending Election Day drinking rather than voting are high, it seems.

(sorry about the multiple posts earlier--yet again, my computer refuses to cooperate. maybe it hates liberals)

"Is GBA the new Naseem?"

...you're kidding, right? If I were the new Naseem, I would personally jump off the nearest bridge.

Obama's voting record in the IL legislature is very bad. He voted:

--to make it a crime for a person to use a gun IN THEIR OWN HOME against 'possible' intruders

--to raise taxes every single time a tax increase was proposed

--not to punish doctors performing abortions if the fetus was delivered viable and they let it die

I was glad to hear that BO would invade Pakistan, even over Musharraf's head, if needed. But I don't believe he'd really do it. He voted in the IL senate against the war on terror in principal.

His pastor is a UCC Christian who has demanded slavery reparations and allowed Malcolm X followers access to his pulpit. Don't get your hopes up.

So how is Rudy a racist?

You seem pretty conflicted with the candidates GBA. Obama and Tancredo are miles apart on the issues. I dont see how you would be ok with either.

Obama and Tancredo aren't as far apart as they seem, and they're probably the most jihad-aware candidates on their respective sides.

As for Guiliani being a racist, ask any African-American resident of New York. They have many horror stories to tell about his reign.

'I just don't get how he was "allowed" to leave Islam when untold numbers have been driven out, slain or worse?'

Worse than slain? Now I am worried.

When Barak Obama's name first came into the news, Indonesians were very, very proud of him, as if he was one of "theirs".

The reason is that since his biological father and Indonesian stepdad were Muslims, so he can't be other than a Muslim.

The newspapers, blogosphere, chatrooms were full of proud mention of Obama.

Of course when it finally came in the news that he had left Islam, it was just ignored.

I totally understands why it was ignored. Because isn't it in Islam, that NOBODY, leaves Islam because of enlightment? People only leaves Islam because they were forced, duped, or because it is a temporary thing to attain something better for Islam.

I think they'd like to believe that him leaving Islam is just a temporary thing, something that he has to do since he lives among the dirty infidels.

GBA wrote:
"As for Guiliani being a racist, ask any African-American resident of New York. They have many horror stories to tell about his reign."

Where did you get that from, the National Action Network and Al Sharpton?

Name one horror story which adequately labels Giuliani specifically as a racist?

GBA, you are a living, beathing testimony to the theory that liberalism is a disease of the mind. Inflammatory statements made which are devoid of any factual supporting evidence, usually contrary to all logic.

Tancredo and Obama are similar?

Wow.

Where can one get the Indonesian version of the book Islam Unveiled, as was mentioned in Hugh's post?

I can't imagine that book being in the bookstores in Indonesia.

I'm very careful bringing books into Indonesia, afraid that it would be confiscated at the airport.

awake, the only disease here is you--having inherited that most severe of STD's called LIFE, you are now proving to the world that some people just should not be allowed to reproduce.

Face it--conservatives are cockroaches. The only way to deal with them is to step on them. And by the way, you are awfully good at hurling insults from behind the keyboard. Ever tried to insult someone directly to their face? I think not. You're more than welcome to try, though--just don't whine afterwards when they're scraping you off the floor.

"Inflammatory statements made which are devoid of any factual supporting evidence, usually contrary to all logic."

As I recall, it was President Bush--a conservative--who made such wholly truthful statements as "Saddam Hussein is connected to 9/11" and "Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction." It was Reagan who called the Afghani Mujahideen "freedom fighters," going so far as to invite them to Washington.

But hey, conservatives are physically incapable of telling a lie--ever. Right?

I am not in favor of any candidate either, but I'd vote for Tancredo any day. He may be a simpleton with wild ideas, but I just don't trust Obama.

redg27, I still need to examine Tancredo in greater depths. Do you know of any online resources that clearly outline his positions?

GBA,

Im no fan of Bush but he didnt say Saddam was linked to 9-11. You have his quote?

What makes you think Obama would be the best to fight jihad? Love to hear this.

Also funny how GBA forgets all his libs like Clinton said Saddam had WMD's.

GBA,

Thank you for further validating my point. your offering of:

"As I recall, it was President Bush--a conservative--who made such wholly truthful statements as "Saddam Hussein is connected to 9/11" and "Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction." It was Reagan who called the Afghani Mujahideen "freedom fighters," going so far as to invite them to Washington."

Bush made statements based on the intelligence he received at the time, that proved to be erroneous. There are those who accuse him of willfully lying about the intelligence he received and what he revealed to congress, you know them, the one's who overwhelmingly supported Bush's request to declare a war against Hussein's regime, you know him, the guy with nothing to hide but in clear violation of at least 17 UN resolutions. Bush is also accused by some for actually perpetrating the 9/11 attacks, you know those people, the one's who say fire can't melt steel and stuff.

I am not one of those people.

Regarding Reagan, you are aware the the Afghani mujahideen was supported by the US to quell the advance by the Soviet Union, right? I recall in the 80's the Soviets being seen as a bigger threat than the Islamists. To his credit, Reagan was smart enough, once he secured the release of the Iranian-held US hostages to sell arms simultaneously to both Iran and Iraq and keep them mired in a messy self-depricating war for nearly a decade.

So reveal yourself. What specifically was the lie by the two people you mentioned?

Regarding your rant above, thanks as well for proving that liberals with no real retorts resort to childish name-calling. To your certian dismay, I have reproduced already. Yep, three little anti-jihadists who are not and will not be allowed to dwell in liberal never-never land, unlike yourself.

GBA wrote:
"And by the way, you are awfully good at hurling insults from behind the keyboard. Ever tried to insult someone directly to their face? I think not. You're more than welcome to try, though--just don't whine afterwards when they're scraping you off the floor."

Hurling insults? I asked you to support your statement that Giuliani is a racist. "Asking any African-American of New York" is hardly what I would call substantiating your claim.

Do you care to ever try to answer that question?

And what do you know about NY anyway?

Awake,

He called conservatives cockroaches. I guess he is feeling pretty brave behind his computer. :-)

awake, I know a lot more about new york than you, that's for sure. I know that Amadou Diallo and Abner Louima were just the tip of the iceberg. I know that people in the inner cities QUAKED at the sight of police officers because they didn't know if another beating at their hands was forthcoming.

The next time you decide to yap about something you know something about, do us all a favor and shut your mouth. You're really making conservatives look even worse.

Bush made his decision based on intelligence? Don't make me laugh. He was mad that Saddam tried to kill his daddy and he decided to get payback. There was never any intelligence AT ALL supporting his claims of WMDs or connections to Al-Qaeda. But I see what you're saying. When conservatives screw up, it's justified; when liberals do so, it's not. Conservatives can do no wrong. Funny--that's precisely what Muslims believe about themselves.

And once again, I repeat what I said earlier: you're good at insulting people from behind a keyboard. Try insulting them to their faces for a change. Just don't be surprised if their reaction is less than favorable. Looking up from the floor afterwards won't feel too good. I'm no thug, but I've put a few mouthy conservatives in their place, and I wouldn't hesitate to do so again.

You're a cockroach, and I would shed no tears if someone stepped on you. Do us all a favor and rid the world of yourself, will you?

"Howdy doody, kids, my name's awake. In the evenins I like to drink me a few six-packs of wife-beatin' juice, which I open with the one tooth I still have left. afterwards, I like to have intercourse with my wife/sister, with whom I now have three delightful mongrels/nephews. then, after praying to a photo of Charlton Heston, I like to go shoot me some queers and nigras and womens."

Wow, and they say conservatives are angry and violent.

WASHINGTON -- A month ago, the United States called off its war
planes to give Saddam Hussein one last chance to cooperate. When
he failed to do so, the United States took action.
President Clinton ordered air strikes Dec. 16 against Iraq's
nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its
military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Warships and combat
aircraft began bombarding the defiant Gulf state at 5 p.m. EST -
- 1 a.m. in Baghdad, the Iraqi capital.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/1998/n12171998_9812171.html

Projecting again GBA? :-)

Is the thread where GBA comes unhinged? Or is this normal fare for him?

deesine,

I dont know him well enough to know if this is normal or a meltdown.

"Conservatives can do no wrong. Funny--that's precisely what Muslims believe about themselves."

Funny, you appear to believe the same thing. Your eye drops aren't working.

Denial stands for:

Don't
even
(k)now
I
am
lying.

GBA wrote:
"Howdy doody, kids, my name's awake. In the evenins I like to drink me a few six-packs of wife-beatin' juice, which I open with the one tooth I still have left. afterwards, I like to have intercourse with my wife/sister, with whom I now have three delightful mongrels/nephews. then, after praying to a photo of Charlton Heston, I like to go shoot me some queers and nigras and womens."

That was priceless GBA, thank you. I see they are now requiring members of the Kos community to perform ouside projects to maintain their self-professed high-brow liberal intellectualism.

Hey, GBA, I live in NY and am "working" in the big city right now. Are you at least from NY? If so, whereabouts approximately?

I will ask the same question again. Substantiate your initial claim that Giuliani specifically is a racist. Yeah, yeah, we all know about Diallo and Louima. We also know about the judicial proceedings in both cases afterward.

I certainly do not condone police brutality, even in a city of over 5 million people with countless police officers. Those were two terrible events, with the degree of the brutality by Volpe in the Louima case being noticably barbaric. Didn't Volpe get 30 years w/o parole? That sounds odd when a racist like Giuliani could have just ushered him out the back door as he obviously wanted to, in your opinion.

So, what's it gonna be GBA? Are you going to (try to) answer the question, or are you going to apply racist guilt by association, declaring that since Giuliani was mayor at the time, that all actions by the NYPD are a direct application of his racist principles. Or worse, did you not get the memo on the whole farcical "it's Giuliani time" comment that was originally attributed to Volpe, but then retracted by Louima himself, as ever being uttered?

A couple of quick presuppositions by me about GBA during our "exchange"

-Liberal
(obvious)

-Christian
(OK, that one was easy as well)

-Anti-Muslim
(likes Obama and Tancredo because they both condone bombing Pakistan and Medina/Mecca respectively)

-African-American
(I might be wrong about this one, but likely am not.)

Keep on blathering GBA, I might have your social security number by supper time.

Attention: Jihadists are the real enemy.

Dear GetBornAgain,

What up, dog? Why you picking all these cyber fights?

I truly wish you were born again...

Hussein.

Capitalist,

You are partially correct. Jihadists are the real enemy. But so are the 5th Column

Did GBA get banned or did he run away?

Sorry I didn't deliver this rant in a timely manner--unlike most of the deadbeats on this site, I have an actual job (hey, not all liberals are on welfare, ok?).

Give me a second to get into character...*inhales*...ahh...ok, I think I got it now...Let us begin.

"Keep on blathering GBA, I might have your social security number by supper time." Nice try, but your tough talk isn't nearly as intimidating. More annoying, really. Keep trying, though--you're getting there!

Yes, we all know about the judicial proceedings after those two cases--and we all know the long, harsh jail sentences that the police officers in the Diallo case got...Oh, wait, they didn't get ANY jail time. That's right--the same vultures that put 41 bullets into the body of an innocent man received no punishment at all. Same goes for the hundreds upon hundreds of police brutality cases that were unexamined and uninvestigated because of the so-called "Blue Wall of Silence," or simply because the victims were too intimidated to bring it up. All of this happened under Giuliani's watch. I remember one case in which a drug dealer (scum of the earth they are, but people nevertheless) was wrongfully gunned down. Giuliani refused to attend his funeral. Know why? He said, "I don't go to the funerals of drug dealers." The fact that his thugs gunned down someone for no reason mattered not at all to him.

And I suppose the fact that these victims were overwhelmingly BLACK is of no consequence to you. Unless you, as a typical conservative, believe all blacks to be little more than violent monkeys.

So yes, Giuliani is racist, and if you support him, it can only be because you are a racist too. I'm sure you'll raise your three nephews/children to be the same way; heck, you might even take them on a "coon-huntin'" trip down south, like your Grandpappy did with your father, and like your father did with you. Maybe you'll even dig out Granddad's KKK costume for the occasion, eh?

As for "jihadists" are the real enemy, I couldn't agree more. But the entire time I've been on this site, I've seen conservatives spewing the vilest lies about liberals--and I've had enough. What's funny is how quickly conservatives accuse you of being a bully when you decide to fight back. If you can't take it, don't dish it out in the first place. Remember, awake, it was YOUR insult-laden tirade that got this started. If anything, I think I've been excessively restrained in my posts. Nothing's more pathetic than a conservative cowering behind his keyboard pretending to be tough. I'm no thug--hell, a retarted five-year-old midget with cerebral palsy could kick my ass--but I'm always amazed by how quickly so-called tough conservatives wilt if you show even the slightest sign of fighting back. Tells volumes of their cowardice.

...there. Rant complete. Back to normalcy (such as it is).

And in case anyone here is about to call and have the nice people in white drag me away to an asylum: no, I don't ACTUALLY believe that. I wrote all of it to prove an important point. The site is apolitical. It states thus in its "purpose" statement. Many people state thus in their posts. And yet in the very next breath, they go on to say "liberals are [ ]" (fill in the blank with the disparaging statement of your choice).

I assume you did not enjoy reading my rants. You do not like to read nonsensical accusations based on misinformation and stereotypes and downright lies, did you?

Well, now you know how I feel every time I read half the posts on this site.

If our anti-jihad effort is truly apolitical, let us keep it that way. I'll stop bashing conservatives, provided that all of you stop bashing liberals. Deal?

GBA wrote:
"Remember, awake, it was YOUR insult-laden tirade that got this started."

Well, GBA, my first response to your words is provided below:

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GBA wrote:
"Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate"

Careful, GBA, the last person that referred to Obama as articulate was sacrificed on the alter of PC.

GBA:
"{Tancredo}ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani)".

Delightful racist? Based on what?

GBA:
"And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two."

Here's hoping for a cold six-pack in your fridge next November.

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Insult-laden tirade???

GBA also wrote:

"If anything, I think I've been excessively restrained in my posts."

Indeed. As is evident with your offering:

"Howdy doody, kids, my name's awake. In the evenins I like to drink me a few six-packs of wife-beatin' juice, which I open with the one tooth I still have left. afterwards, I like to have intercourse with my wife/sister, with whom I now have three delightful mongrels/nephews. then, after praying to a photo of Charlton Heston, I like to go shoot me some queers and nigras and womens."

So, in your estimation, anyone who would support Giuliani is automatically deemed a racist, by you. This is confirmed by your statement:

"So yes, Giuliani is racist, and if you support him, it can only be because you are a racist too."

The holes in your argument are too numerous to continue to point out. Fear not though. The self-inflicted damage to your own reputation here today far outweighs those fallacies. You're one step above troll at this point, pending your continued disdain for Islamic jihad, of course.

Your definition of fighting back is certainly an odd one.

Finally your statement that:

"Nothing's more pathetic than a conservative cowering behind his keyboard pretending to be tough."

Well, GBA, I disagree with you yet again. I can think of several things more pathetic. Can you guess what they might be?

Jasmine--

Email Robert about your question. He may have an answer. Contact information to the left.

GBA wrote:
"Remember, awake, it was YOUR insult-laden tirade that got this started."

Well, GBA, my first response to your words is provided below:

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GBA wrote:
"Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate"

Careful, GBA, the last person that referred to Obama as articulate was sacrificed on the alter of PC.

GBA:
"{Tancredo}ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani)".

Delightful racist? Based on what?

GBA:
"And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two."

Here's hoping for a cold six-pack in your fridge next November.

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Insult-laden tirade???

GBA also wrote:

"If anything, I think I've been excessively restrained in my posts."

Indeed. As is evident with your offering:

"Howdy doody, kids, my name's awake. In the evenins I like to drink me a few six-packs of wife-beatin' juice, which I open with the one tooth I still have left. afterwards, I like to have intercourse with my wife/sister, with whom I now have three delightful mongrels/nephews. then, after praying to a photo of Charlton Heston, I like to go shoot me some queers and nigras and womens."

So, in your estimation, anyone who would support Giuliani is automatically deemed a racist, by you. This is confirmed by your statement:

"So yes, Giuliani is racist, and if you support him, it can only be because you are a racist too."

The holes in your argument are too numerous to continue to point out. Fear not though. The self-inflicted damage to your own reputation here today far outweighs those fallacies. You're one step above troll at this point, pending your continued disdain for Islamic jihad, of course.

Your definition of fighting back is certainly an odd one.

Finally your statement that:

"Nothing's more pathetic than a conservative cowering behind his keyboard pretending to be tough."

Well, GBA, I disagree with you yet again. I can think of several things more pathetic. Can you guess what they might be?

I do hold Islamic jihad in great disdain--otherwise I would not be here. What I hold in nearly equal disdain are people like yourself, who believe it is fair game to insult liberals in every post on what is supposed to be an APOLITICAL website. So great is your hatred for liberals that you divert energy from fighting jihad to insulting an entire group of people. And yet I am supposed to quietly read these posts and not respond to them in any way, shape, or form. Sorry, but not all liberals are cowards. I certainly am not.

I made my posts to show that being insulted isn't enjoyable in any way.

Hopefully now you know how it feels.

I doubt it will make much of a difference, however.

GBA, if you were truly born again, you would not be lying on Rudy Giuliani; in fact, you would be putting the best construction on his administration. You are guilty of a violation of the 8th, bearing false witness against your neighbor, RG. I'm not A-A, but I am black, and I thank God for Rudy's mayoralty. He brought sanity and peace to NY, especially after the racist turbulence of the Dinkins years. That Louima and Diallo occurred during the Giuliani years is not to be laid at Rudy's door. His policies never were racist, unless you consider it racist to curb crimes which inflict mostly black people.

As for Barak Hussein Obama. I think he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is pretending to be a Christian (what kind of Christian is it that attends a racist church or has a pastor who allows non-Christian Muslims access to his pulpit?). Should he ever win the WH, we'll see the green and white flag of Islam waving from its pinnacle. God forbid! Obama's attitude to the atrocious acts committed by Muslims is ... do nothing. Muslims commit genocide? Shit happens. Muslims bomb and blow up? Shit happens. If folks think he'll bomb a Muslim country to attack a Muslim hero, bin Ladin, somebody needs a reality check. As a kid, he was taught Islam, and jihad and takfir is nothing to him. Vote for Obama? I might as well consent to wear a burqa.

I do hold jihad in great disdain--otherwise my presence on this website would be pointless. What I hold in nearly equal disdain, however, are people like you, who divert energy from the battle against jihad by bashing liberals--on what is supposed to be an APOLITICAL website.

I said what I said to demonstrate how it feels to be insulted thus.

Hopefully you now know how it feels. Hopefully it is not pleasant.

Will it make a difference? Will you stop bashing liberals and utilize your barbs towards battling jihad instead? I doubt it.

Still, it would be nice for a change.

CaribPundit, I understand your concern about Obama, and I respect your opinion on it, but I disagree. I believe Islamic indoctrination at an early age can go one of two ways: it can lead to the child becoming an Islamist; or, it can so disgust him that he will want nothing to do with Islam for the rest of his life. I see no reason to doubt Obama's aversion towards his former faith. If anything, a former Muslim who renounced his faith is a more reliant ally than someone who was never a Muslim. People who abandon their religions tend to be quite hostile towards those religions afterwards.

GBA,

Nice try to to gracefully exit from the fiasco of your own making.

you wrote:
"I wrote all of it to prove an important point. The site is apolitical. It states thus in its "purpose" statement."

Apolitical?? Again, I challenge you to substantiate that point. Where is that "stated thus"? Do you ever deal in factual truths, ever?

Just for kicks, because in no way am I letting you off that easy, let me refresh your memory yet again, your sad attempt to now portray it as all a joke to prove a point by you, notwithstanding.

This thread was about Obama specifically, and where his loyalties may lie, specifically regarding Islam. I hope you at least permit Robert to speak about Islam on jihadwatch.

The first mention of any one other than Obama on this thread was by greatcometof1577 who wrote:

"The point is Obama will not be president. He will not beat Clinton in the nomination process. Also his black power church will not help his cause either in the end. Remember most Americans are not liberals or conservative but moderate."

That did not appear to be "liberal bashing" as only two democratic candidates were mentioned. In addition, the poster pointed out an obvious fact that most Americans are somwhere in the middle.

The next mention of anyone besides Obama in this thread was by yourself, when you wrote:

"Was Obama ever truly a Muslim, though? I know he went to an Islamic school as a kid, but I'm not sure if he really ever adopted the faith. Anyway, I think all these concerns about his being some sort of "secret" Muslim are as false as the many conspiracy theories the Arab world finds so attractive ("Jews were behind 9/11," etc.). Personally, I'll be voting for him if nominated, both because he is an intelligent and articulate candidate (which in itself makes him better than our current travesty of a leader) and because he at least has an inkling of what to do about jihad (and let's face it, Tom Tancredo ain't getting nominated, and neither is that delightful racist Guiliani). And if he isn't nominated, I'll remain home on election day with an "adult beverage" or two.

Apolitical? You cannot be serious. you picked an odd thread to "correct" the community here at JW, don't you think.

Remember, you mentioned the "nice people in white", not me.

you wrote:
"If our anti-jihad effort is truly apolitical, let us keep it that way. I'll stop bashing conservatives, provided that all of you stop bashing liberals. Deal?"

Now it's if? You spoke with certainty that it was. Nevermind the fact that liberal leftist politicians are aiding the jihad here in the US, facts that are well-documented here on JW, you demand immunity to criticism for liberals?

Good call GBA. Let's kinda' fight the jihad, as long as we are not critical of any liberals? Nonsense.

Bush is a conservative and a Republican. He does not get a free pass here, nor should he. Your suggestion is nothing short of preposterous.

"There are many things about which we all disagree, but at this point we need to unite simply in order to survive. We can sort out our disagreements later."

Those are Robert Spencer's own words. Last I checked, those lines aren't a euphemism for "let's bash liberals."

" liberal leftist politicians are aiding the jihad here in the US"

Why don't you just admit that you hate and routinely disparage liberals, like so many others on this site do?

And if so, explain to me why it is wrong for me to disparage conservatives in return.

"in no way am I letting you off that easy"

Is that meant to frighten me?

GetBornAgain

It is simply a choice of the lesser of two evils every election time. If dems would stand up for women's rights in the middle east or Africans held in bondage by their Arab masters, or freedom of religion, or various democrat leaders past and present would not make fools of themselves by getting on TV with child killing, female hanging, slave raping Islamic aggressors then yes maybe I would vote for them.

Just like the GOP must live with the ghost of Bush II (and the Bush family for that matter) for the rest of time so must dems live with the ghost of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. We all have our demons we must overcome and until then grow some thick skin and educate your fellow Dems on the dangers of Islamic aggression by pointing out what they do to women, gays, infidels, free thinkers, and what they would do to 95% of the liberals in America if they should ever win. Some Democrats are blinded by multicultural values, hated of Western Civilization, hatred of Christians and pine for communist utopias. Some conservatives are blinded by the world economy, Muslim democracy, hatred of “secular men” and their stock earnings.

Considering they are represented by the Dems and GOP it is hard not to be political.

In the words of Derbyshire who in his review of Mr. Spencer’s great book did have one really funny quote…(I changed two words to fit the discussion)

“My W can whup your Peanut, nyah nyah!”

I hate praising Bush….dam you! You left me no choice!

Why don't you just admit that you hate and routinely disparage liberals, like so many others on this site do?

hey l dont hate liberals, just want them to be neutered and we can keep a few just to remind us how truly nuts there are..
Now on a serious note, the Libeals of yesteryear have almost disappeared, and replaced by the "looney left" who are so full of self hate and want to hasten the West's destruction. We do not have to convince muslims that they are following a phediphile, rapist, thief from a cult of islam but just to show the Western Liberals that islam is the truly dangerous cult. Liberals need to undertand that you do not tolerate the untolerable. Liberals need to view the muslim culture as it truly is, that is lacking in human rights for women, non muslims in particular. Islam even makes men victims of their view on women and non muslims. /Islam places men as the destroyer of human life, and that create a victim of men. No we do not hate Liberals here, as there is enough Self-hate from Liberals of themselves!

"there is enough Self-hate from Liberals of themselves!"

I don't hate myself. In fact, I consider myself to be the greatest person in the history of the world, ever, of all time. So I'm not sure what you mean.

GBA,

Your "argument", as it is, and always was on this thread, absurd. You intitally gave in to the race-bait regarding Giuliani and you have not substantiated a single point of your position.

Once again, you have serious issues with truth and the facts.

You said the purpose of this ite is apolitical and I corrected you, one of many I had to perform today, which is a waste of mine and everyone else's time.

You wrote:
"There are many things about which we all disagree, but at this point we need to unite simply in order to survive. We can sort out our disagreements later."

Those are Robert Spencer's own words. Last I checked, those lines aren't a euphemism for "let's bash liberals."

No they are not. But they are also not a position that this site is and should remain apolitical, especially in light of the fact that YOU sir, were a major transgressor to your own erroneous belief about site content.

People like yourself will never understand and never admit when they have so grossly misspoken. I expect that. It is similar to trying to debate a Muslim...generally a waste of time.

The telling fact is that no one and I mean NO ONE from the entire community has come to your defense here. That would tell me something. That should tell you something, but unfortuantely, you are predisposed not to listen.

People who I have never seen post here before have chimed in to criticize your position, correctly as it has proven to be baseless, regarding Giuliani as a racist.

According to your ludicrous proposition, your words, whatever they may be, should not be criticized, no matter how wrong they may be, as you are protected under your banner of liberalism.

Not on my watch, pal. Not now, not ever.

"Not on my watch, pal. Not now, not ever."

Laughable. Utterly laughable. Conservatives are incredibly amusing. That's why I couldn't live without them--the comic relief is far too precious.

"According to your ludicrous proposition, your words, whatever they may be, should not be criticized, no matter how wrong they may be, as you are protected under your banner of liberalism."

I could say the same about you--by replacing "liberalism" with "conservatism."

Once again, you are making the ever-so-popular statement that conservatives can do no wrong. It's exactly what Jihadists say about themselves. Frankly, the mentality I've observed in conservatives isn't that different from what one sees among jihadists--hubris, hatred, violence, and a complete incapacity for self-criticism. Note how defensive you got earlier when I pointed out that conservative presidents have made mistakes (yet the proposition that liberal presidents have erred went unchallenged by you). A bit jumpy, are we?

And as for no one coming to my defense: considering how the vast majority of the people on this site are conservatives, this is not at all surprising. But I am not here to seek acceptance. I am here to battle jihad.

I feel truly sorry for your nephews/children. Frankly, your fat cow of a sister/wife must've been quite desperate to marry a "man" like you. Some people truly should not reproduce. Almost enough to make me thing that there is no God--no higher power in his/her/its right mind would allow a waste like yourself to enter into existence. Then again, your being a conservative, you had no choice but to marry your sister--so I guess I should go easy on you. It's in your nature; you don't know better.

My advice? Lay off the wife-beatin' juice, skip a nigra/homo/feminazi hunt or two, and read a book--if you're literate, which is far from being a given. You might learn something. Oh, and protect your last remaining tooth.

I think this guy's dangerous.

That's what I think.

Don't let him ANY WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE!

I think this guy's dangerous.

That's what I think.

Don't let him ANYWHERE NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE!

pythagoras, the white house? I wouldn't go anywhere near that dump--not as long as George Duh is in it. The place reeks.

GetBorn Again:

YOU are not running for US President. YOU are not the problem! NOW I ask you--

DO YOU want to see a Muslim in the White House's Oval Office in Washington, DC running what's left of the Free World??? Really???

(If you answered "yes" to the above question please don't run for US president!!!!PLEASE!!! And what may I ask have you been smoking?)).

AND-- are you a friend of Oprah's?

pythagoras, thank you for your questions. I shall answer them one by one:

1) no, I do not want to see a Muslim in the White House--although the prospect of seeing a Mormon (Mitt Romney) occupy that post scares me almost as much (but not quite).

2) I have been smoking Camel Lights. Nothing more insidious than that (though awake will probably beg to differ!)

3) No, I am not a friend of Oprah's. I would suffocate immediately upon entering a room she occupies, as with her gargantuan fat ass she displaces all the oxygen in said room.

GBA,

I find in somewhat ironic that you need to seek solace in the fight against Islamic ideology on a noticably conservative web site, understanding your utter disdain for the lot of us conservatives. If liberals share your beliefs regarding Islam, as you are suggesting, wouldn't you rather co-exist with them in more comfortable surroundings?

With each post you make, your true intent as a troll is further revealed.

Your last re-tread of an offering:

"I feel truly sorry for your nephews/children. Frankly, your fat cow of a sister/wife must've been quite desperate to marry a "man" like you. Some people truly should not reproduce. Almost enough to make me thing that there is no God--no higher power in his/her/its right mind would allow a waste like yourself to enter into existence. Then again, your being a conservative, you had no choice but to marry your sister--so I guess I should go easy on you. It's in your nature; you don't know better."

Is most embarrasing, to yourself only. I have single-handedly obliterated nearly every written sentence of yours, throughout the day here.

I must say that you have proven yourself to be a most useful idiot here, serving as a fresh lesson to all on why those who dwell in the world of the sane should never subscribe to a "position" such as yours.

you wrote:
2) "I have been smoking Camel Lights. Nothing more insidious than that (though awake will probably beg to differ!)"

Actually, I smoke camel lights so you are safe there, and only there.

Enjoy your remaining time here at JW, under that moniker, anyway.

awake, thanks for the kind wishes. Rest assured I will enjoy my time here at JW to the fullest. It will be quite entertaining, I promise!

...and yes, apology accepted. I forgive you. You have erred grievously, but my soul is magnanimous through & through.

Obama has NEVER renounced Islam. He has NEVER claimed to have been Muslim. YET, a big yet, his father was a Muslim; his mother married/lived with an Indonesian Muslim, and she seems to have been the type who was not a rock-solid Christian. His early days were spent in an Islamic country going to Muslim school; there is no way anyone can convince me that he is not a Muslim. One thing I do know for certain sure is that part and parcel of Muslim school is that the kids recite the shahada and say Muslim prayers DAILY. Reciting the shahada is what makes one a Muslim (which is why I'd rather die than say it). Barak Hussein Obama is a Muslim and remains a Muslim because he has never renounced Islam. Instead, he plays the charade of going to a church in which the pastor (another wolf in sheep's clothing) invites Muslims into the pulpit, makes common cause with Muslims like Farrakhan and other X-ites, and is generally fundamentalist in more of a Muslim than a Christian way. No Christian fundamentalist would invite a Muslim into the pulpit; that is anti-Scripture. Thefore, the likelihood of Obama coasting under false colors as a "Christian" is QUITE high. Why do you think other Muslims are elated about him? They know he has not renounced Islam. That's why there's no fatwa out about killing him. He's STILL one of them. Vote for him?! Is it snowing in hell?

GBA wrote:
..."and yes, apology accepted. I forgive you. You have erred grievously, but my soul is magnanimous through & through."

Apology? Oh nevermind. Just another example of a sad attempt by one who has gone astray, made matters worse for himself, and now tries to pass off childish ramblings as a semblance of truth.

The internet record of this thread shall endure, but have no fear. Since you are under an anonymous moniker, you can always deny publicly that it was you who posted under it, which I highly suggest you do. Privately however, you will alwys know otherwise. Life is full of hard lessons. Some must endure more than others.

GBA:
"Frankly, your fat cow of a sister/wife must've been quite desperate to marry a "man" like you."

magnanimous, indeed.

Ah, but Awake, remember:

"for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

(Plus the other 97 names attributed to this false idol, and so dearly loved by 1.2b zombies...)

Now that we've all let off a little steam, let's all have a little fun. How about it?

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths.htm

In case you missed this link, it is absolutely hilarious in the way it debunks the Korant/Pigslam/Mo/Al-ilah, etc.

Check it out. It's quite fun. And VERY instructional.

"The internet record of this thread shall endure, but have no fear. Since you are under an anonymous moniker, you can always deny publicly that it was you who posted under it, which I highly suggest you do. Privately however, you will alwys know otherwise. Life is full of hard lessons. Some must endure more than others."

Yet another halfway macho attempt at intimidation. Something conservatives are quite good for. Rest assured that I've stopped being intimidated by your ilk long ago. Now, the only reaction conservatives inspire in me is laughter. You folks are just so gosh-darn cute, what with your wife-beatin' juice and your white pointy hats and burnin' crosses! But hey, I can't blame you. You obviously had a very attractive sister (fine, I take back the "fat cow" part of that) and couldn't help yourself. That's ok. Really, it is! You're conservative. It's genetic. Can't fight your genes--oh, wait, I forgot, conservatives don't believe in genetics! "Intelligent design" and all that. Right. My bad.

How's THIS for a hard lesson: The man that you conservatives have now elected for two consecutive terms has turned out to be a dolt who has squandered hundreds of billions of dollars on a fruitless war in pursuit of a nonsensical agenda--and has done NOTHING to halt worldwide jihad.

And you say liberals are messed up. Please.

"Bush is a conservative and a Republican. He does not get a free pass here, nor should he."
Posted by: awake at August 28, 2007 5:36 PM

Once again GBA, the intellectual laziness that you portray, which in light of the fact that you only needed to read each post in a singular thread, is astounding.

For your information, I did not vote for Bush in 2004, I voted for Kerry. This was not so much a vote for Kerry as it was a vote against Bush. Witnessing first hand his first term and found him severely lacking on so many levels, I felt I had no other choice.

Bush is and was a dolt, yes, whether intentional or not. Regardless, he did not acquire my vote in 2004. I would not however, criticize him based on unfounded speculation about his personal character, accusing him of being a racist, as he has often been accused of, nor would I resort to labeling him a product of incest or other sophomoric and baseless stigmas you frequently like to evoke, as you did with Giuliani.

The circle of reason is now complete. We are back where we started, with a notation to your posting history, yeah each and every one, on this thread.

Do you care to answer my INITIAL question to you now about proof of Giuliani's racism, beyond the fact that the officers involved in the Diallo trial were not convicted of any crime, or the weepy PC-type plea that Giuliani should have attended the funeral of a fallen drug dealer whom you labeled as scum, yet still a "person", or would you rather just label me an inbred redneck again, as you have all afternoon and evening?

I have been trying my best to draw an intelligent post from you all night, to no avail.

GBA wrote:

("fine, I take back the "fat cow" part of that")

Finally, a concession of sorts, as it is. I accept your retraction as a form of an apology.

Knowing that I did not require a single retraction on my part of a "loose" statement, since none exists, I take it as progress. Slow, painful, tedious progress.

I'd like to stay and chat all night, but in reality, more than 12 hours of discourse with the likes of yourself is more than enough. Actually, it is more than should be required of any sane man.

adieu.

GetBornAgain

You are bringing this website down with your disgusting remarks. Is this a typical liberal? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sharpton and Jackson are racists, and GBA seems to be one of them. Why is Sharpton not in jail for inciting a riot that resulted in the deaths of 9 people? He is a cartoon character (I WISH he were not real). He reminds me of Boss Hogg from the original Dukes of Hazzard.

Sharpton and Jackson are BOTH feeding themselves and starving the sheep.

GBA,
I actually don't disagree with much of of what you say. But why are you so rude? Why do you so quickly move from debate to name-calling to threatening physical violence?

I'm no conservative-lover, but threatening to beat up people who would argue with you in person sounds less liberal than it does, say, Islamic.

Read over this page again. There is something pathological in the way you escalate the rhetoric. I'm not asking you to change your views. Just get a grip on yourself.