In his column Mike S. Adams stoutly defends free speech. I wouldn't choose #4 myself, as I believe a reasoned defense rather than an emotional one is more effective, but I understand the sentiment -- as I'm feeling defiant myself -- and thank Mr. Adams for this column.
I've written about a number of threats to the First Amendment in recent years. But few have riled me up as much as a recent letter written by attorney Joseph E. Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com). Sandler was hired by CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) after the organization learned that Robert Spencer was about to give a speech called "The Truth About CAIR" at the National Conservative Student Conference held by the Young America's Foundation (YAF).Here's what Sandler wrote to my friend Ron Robinson, President of YAF:
"You should be aware that Mr. Spencer, a well-known purveyor of hatred
and bigotry against Muslims, has a history of false and defamatory statements. Several of those statements have falsely accused CAIR of activity that would constitute a federal offense."After failing to provide a single "false and defamatory" statement by Spencer, Sandler went on to exercise his constitutional right to praise CAIR for its work in fighting terrorism. (Note: This is not to suggest that such praise is in any way deserved, just that it is protected by the First Amendment).
After, a) citing specific evidence in support of the notion that CAIR is an anti-terrorist organization, and b) citing no evidence of false and defamatory statements by Spencer (nor any of the evidence supporting Spencer's contrary opinion), Joseph E. Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) made a rather outrageous request that is worth reproducing in its entirety:
"For these reasons, we demand that YAF cancel the subject session (at which Spencer is speaking), or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session. Our clients have instructed us to pursue every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false and defamatory statements that are
made at the session. Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests. Joseph E. Sandler, sandler@sandlerreiff.com, (202) 479-1111"This notion of preventing “offense” by forcing people to relinquish their First Amendment Rights is itself offensive. Certainly, when one of my Muslim friends offends me - by forcing his wife to leave the room without speaking as soon as I come over - I just let it go. But maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe I should start my own organization called CAIRS, The Council Against Islamic Repression and Sexism.
But, for the time being, please join me in the fight against Muslim censors (and the lawyers who love them) by taking the time to do at least one of four things today:1. Write Joseph E. Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.
2. Call Joseph E. Sandler (202-479-1111) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.
3. Fax a Xerox copy of the First Amendment to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.
4. Fax a Xerox copy of your extended middle finger to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.
For those of you who follow option #1 or #2, there are a few questions you should ask Mr. Sandler: What exactly are the false and defamatory statements made by Spencer that would justify the prior restraint of free speech? Why not sue over those statements instead of threatening to sue over statements not yet made? And, finally, is it not also defamatory to falsely accuse someone of defamation?
I plan to follow option #4. And I also plan to write about this incident in my weekly internet column. That is, unless Mr. Sandler tries to stop me beforehand.
If memory serves correct, there were reports of cancelled speaking events on college/university campus' over recent months. Wasn't Walid Shoebat cancelled at Princeton last year? Can't help wondering if similar letters sent by the likes of Sandler/CAIR were behind such actions.
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"Americans may be surprised to learn, as Daniel Pipes relates, that “on the eve of the U.S. war with Iraq[,] ... CAIR distributed a ‘Muslim community safety kit’ that advised Muslims to ‘Know your rights if contacted by the FBI.’ It tells them specifically, ‘You have no obligation to talk to the FBI, even if you are not a citizen. … You do not have to permit them to enter your home. … ALWAYS have an attorney present when answering questions.’”) (Emphasis in original.)
But not to worry: CAIR is just a civil-rights organization that “enhance[s] the understanding of Islam” while “promot[ing] justice and mutual understanding.” Why shouldn’t your government spend your tax dollars to reproduce its press releases? Why shouldn’t it spend your tax dollars to school agents on what “pilgrims” may be toting along for Hajj travel at a time when you’re forbidden from carrying a four-ounce bottle of shampoo through airport security"
Where is the Mike Adams column? I would like to read it.
And, how soon can we start CAIRS - The Council Against Islamic Repression and Sexism? Sign me up.
Hi Doug - how you doin' today, LOL!
Schlock & Crock For The ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/09/schlock-crock-for-the-american-taliban-john-walker-lindh/
Stop the Islamization of Europe alert here:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/09/geert-wilders-calls-for-banning-the-koran-again/
P.S. Doug and Ahmed Bedier and all other Muslim potentates - We don't CARE if you're offended? Ya dig? The sooner you get that through your duped Mohammedan skulls the better.
In fact, after all of your recent atrocities, 9/11 chief among them, you DESERVE to be offended. You have killed, mass-murdered, innocent people in the name of your misbegotten "religion" - and yet you expect "respect."
What, are you joking, or something? I sooner respect a hammer - at least it performs a useful function in life.
Following video was linked to from BNP site.
"Dispatches Undercover Mosque"
UK Video of Mosque Religion of Peace Speech
It starts with undercover video of a Mosque in the UK.
Oh, sorry. I see that the column is above. I expected a link so I thought those were more comments by Mr. Spencer.
In what newspaper did this Mike Adams column appear? I'd like to see it.
It's been a tough month for CAIR, so far.
....mark my vote: I don't care if Muslims are offended....
Count me in as a member of CAIRS!
...as for the middle finger, though, I'll pass. It's a bit crude.
AJ Whitehead just sent me his newsletter and it seems CAIR is doing to him as what CAIR has done to not only Mr. Spencer, but also Mr. Adams.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/cairlawyerletter.html
I just sent Mr. Sandler an e-mail. And sent a BBC to a few other people as well.
Sorry; I meant to say BCC!!
I just sent Mr. Sandler an e-mail. And sent a BCC to a few other people as well.
Our prayers are with you LondonBorn&Bred. Keep up the good fight and don't stop - or else you will find everything you are will go by the wayside to islam. And islam reallly doesn't like our ways, our art, our music, etc, but they do like you to keep working so they can get a free ride on the welfare systems because... dhimmi are supposed to do that for muslims.
Thank you for the link Old Atlantic (see above)
"Dispatches Undercover Mosque"
I have a copy sent from the UK (I have a multi-regional DVD & VCR)but anyone that wanted to view it had to view it at my place.
I will be sending this link to EVERYONE I know. I would suggest that ALL of you at Jihad Watch VIEW IT. It's excellent and it shows EXACTLY what these insects are doing behind closed doors.
Pass it along to EVERYONE you know. The more people you make aware, the more who can get ready for the fight these idiots are begging to have.
P.S. If I lived in the UK, I'd vote BNP and wouldn't care if anyone called me a biggot. They are the ONLY party interested in protecting the British culture.
We need a United States Nationalist Party.
Please add me to the CAIRS roster, too. I like Council Against Islamic Repression and Slavery.
I'll pass on #4...at this time...although I can understand the temptation to do somthing like that.
LondonBorn&Bred,
I wish you the best in your efforts! My prayers will be with you on that day. Never surrender.
May I suggest a modified #4? Make the Xerox copy of 3 fingers (index, middle and ring), and include the message "Read between the lines."
Of course, the Arabic phrase "lan astaslem" ("I will not submit") could also be added.
Darcy:
Here is Mike Adams complete article:::
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/08/08/i_don%e2%80%99t_cair_if_muslims_are_offended
Mackie
Goobs you are so right about BNP. Lib Lab Cons (LLC) are a law firm for radical mosques.
Its clear from the video that what we are being called at these mosques, kuffar, is something not just to be ridiculed but destroyed. This is a real wake up call. We do need a USNP or equivalent. The Constitution Party is something in this direction.
NYT comments on Tancredo
Re: AJ Whitehead just sent me his newsletter and it seems CAIR is doing to him as what CAIR has done to not only Mr. Spencer, but also Mr. Adams.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/cairlawyerletter.html
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The scary thing about that letter is not that it was sent, the is to be expected by the ilk of CAIR, but that if Mr. Whitehead made the document that CAIR would then take legal action. I'm not a lawyer, but from a lay-person perspective that letter strikes me as pure blackmail, and that letter, in and of itself, is an attempt at Sharia law and stifling free speech; all under our public noses.
Thank You, Mackie. I'm going to e-mail it to many.
Ist Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAWS RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROVIDING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF,OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH,OR OF THE PRESS, OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE,AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.
Any response sent to Mr. Sandler's office, following Mike Adams' suggestions listed above, should be copied to each respondent's Senators and Representative.
Reflecting on the Ist Amendment I posted above, one can't help wondering how the perversion of multiculturalism, and the political correct crowd are working to undermine the freedom of speech given to us by our Constitution, IE such as defining free speech as a hate crime.
Yes there are commonsence limits to the exercise of free speech-- yelling fire in a crowded theater,inciting mob violence.
It is interesting and important to note that a verbal threat is not necessarily a punishable crime, however if it is directed at a specific person over an electronic device such as the phone,e mail,fax Etc. then it could reach to the height of a possible felony.
This is why I strongly advise commenters on Jihadwatch to not make any specific electronic threats from or on this site as it is not productive in any sense of the word.
I am happy to report that the Jeremiah Denton III in Monkeywho's link
http://www.jeremiahdenton.com/
Is not the Jeremiah Denton I am familiar with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Denton
If I was former Senator Denton, I would send that lawyer a letter to make sure he adds "I am not the Jeremiah Denton who served his country honorably, and wrote "When Hell Was In Session"
to his letterhead and business cards.
In a typical Islamist reality inversion irony, it is CAIR that is guilty of more hate crimes in the US than any other group since the heyday of the KKK.
Greetings:
Given attorney Sandler's relationship with the Democratic National Committee, I think the Democratic Party presidential candidates should been questioned about their opinion of Sandler's legal behavior.
My e-mail.
Dear sir,
Please cease and desist representing CAIR who will hopefully be brought up on RICO statutes for it's attempts to muzzle those who seek the truth regarding their money raising efforts.
This group has been proven to have direct ties to Muslim terror groups!
I can only assume you are ignorant or mislead on what they really do.
To that end I have enclosed several links to sites that will educate you.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
*U.S. Senator Richard Durbin: "[CAIR is] unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations
with groups that are suspect"
*U.S. Senator Charles Schumer: "we know [CAIR] has ties to terrorism"
"intimate links with Hamas"
Statements From Sept. 2003 Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism,
Technology and Homeland Security
*U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer: "To praise an organization because they haven't been indicted
is like somebody saying, 'I'm not a crook'"
Sen. Boxer discussing her decision to rescind award given to CAIR Official
* * * *
*U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster: "Time and again the organization has shown itself to be nothing more
than an apologist for groups bent on the destruction of Israel
and Islamic domination over the West,"
Please wake up and understand this is not a game these people play at.
Email sent!
Another bunch of legal sell out cretins.
They gladly play their part in the global Islamic push for a fist full of dollars.
Or was that 30 silver coins.
Old Atlantic,
The only problem with the Constitution Party is that it does not go far enough.
Will it stop our jobs leaving the country or tax the hell out of corporations and their goods when they re-enter our country?
Will it provide a National Health Insurance (by the way, I had it in the UK and it was excellent) - no bills, no fighting with insurance companies that are determined to make a profit for its shareholders. No pre-approval and no worries about having your home taken off you if you get sick or can't work. You never lose it. BTW, if it's so bad in Canada, ask Canadians if they want to give it up for a healthcare industry (insurance) like ours. That will tell you what they REALLY think. Nothing is perfect.
Ron Paul won't go for a national health insurance because he is a physician AND because I'm sorry to say, that they are probably also in the pocket of lobbyists. I did try to ask if they were opposed to lobbying but never got an answer.
Lobbying should be outlawed.
With respect to illegal immigrants being hired. I have a really excellent solution. Imprison and heavily fine the company CEO's. I GUARANTEE hiring illegals would stop. Nope, Washington won't do that. Too many of those corporations are paying for their campaigns.
I would add a number five: Fax your congressman and tell him to stop all Muslim immigration to the United States.
Let us offend muslims any way we can. If they don't like it, that is just too bad; we are not going to abolish 1st amendment go please them. More offended they are, better for us.
Let us offend muslims any way we can. If they don't like it, that is just too bad; we are not going to abolish 1st amendment go please them. More offended they are, better for us.
Mike Adams is hilarious and I enjoy reading his column in Town Hall. He is a Conservative professor in North Carolina, an anomaly in American academia, and tackles today's most controversial social issues and unofficial "forbidden" topics. He shreds left-wingers into little slivers with a congenial attitude and irrefutable logic. He infuriates radical feminists, gun control freaks, socialists, and run-of-the-mill, left-wing lunatics, some of whom are colleagues and students. He is like a breath of fresh air in today's suffocating, politically correct world.
My email:
Dear Mr. Sandler,
I am just a normal citizen, and normally I do not write letters to legal council. However, your letter to YAF incensed me so deeply that I feel compelled to write to you personally with a direct question.
I realize that you are just doing your job, but I must ask you: do you really think it is appropriate to defend or provide council to an organization like CAIR?
The more one sees how CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal case against Hamas, with a track record of individuals who either are in jail for having actively supported terrorists and trrorism, or individuals who have direct links to Hamas, an organization that the United States government has listed as a terrorist organization, the more one must ask what CAIR is really about and what CAIR is up to behind the scenes. Apparently, CAIRs loss of more than 90% of it's membership proves that a great number of individuals are indeed distancing themselves from CAIR.
The case of the so-called "flying imams" is an excellent example: 6 Imams get in an airplane and deliberately behave in ways to scare the living daylights out of other passengers, engaging in behaviour that would cause a reasonable human being to think that perhaps these 6 individuals were going to cause a terrorist attack within the plane. Passengers report the suspicious activity and as a result, the 6 Imams are removed from the plane. What does CAIR do? CAIR threatens and intimidates those so-called "John Doe"s who reported this suspicious behaviour, behaviour that these 6 imams had no business engaging in in the first place, "John Doe"s who were doing exactly what the airline industry has asked of all civilian passengers, namely, to keep their eyes open and report suspicious behaviour. CAIRs intent, most obviously, is to scare the average american into not reporting suspicious activity for fear of legal reprisal. These are tactics that only a Joseph Stalin could be proud of, in my opinion.
Your recent letter threatening the YAF is especially troubling as you make allegations about Robert Spencer, allegations which you cannot back up. Certainly, Mr. Spencer's council has made you aware of these points. What exactly are the false and defamatory statements made by Spencer that would justify the prior restraint of free speech? Why not sue over those statements instead of threatening to sue over statements not yet made? And, finally, is it not also defamatory to falsely accuse someone of defamation?
Perhaps it is good for you to know that there are just millions upon millions of americans who support Robert Spencer, who also support 1st amendment rights, and who are not about to be intimidated by people such as the individuals from unindicted co-conspirator CAIR, an organization with undeniable links to Hamas, a terrorist group responsible for the deaths of countless jews, christians, and even of other muslims. I am referring to millions upon millions of americans with a long memory for September 11th, 2001 and roughly 3,000 good reasons to not let an organization like CAIR intimidate american citizens. If CAIR was really concerned about good relations between the muslim community and non-muslims in the USA, then in my opinion, CAIR should have read those 6 Imams the riot act for their just plain inexcusable behaviour in a post 9-11 world.
One must truly ask how you as a reasonable thinking human being can support a group which believes in an ideology, which, were this ideology to become the basis of american governance, would absolutely destroy the very freedoms you claim to protect. Is this not somewhat self-destructive? One must also ask how your other clients may be reacting, knowing that you and your firm are providing council to CAIR. If I were a client of yours and learned this fact, I would be inclined to seek council elsewhere.
What makes this all much worse for me is the fact that you also were deeply involved in the democratic party, which puts me in a bind. I have been a democrat all my life, but it democrats are truly supporting such individuals as those behind unindicted co-conspirator CAIR, then I doubt there is room for me within the democratic party anymore. And I seriously doubt that the democratic party needs such controversial talking points, such as your connections to the party and also to CAIR. How very unfortunate for the democratic party.
So, in conclusion, no amount of threats or intimidation on your part or on the part of your firm will silence this voice, and I do hold very strongly to my from the 1st amendment protected opinion that you should shame yourself all the way down to your socks for even considering being legal council to CAIR. I personally find it despicable, but of course, in our current free society, you enjoy the same rights as I do, including the right to defend defendors of terror. If the jihadists get their way, then of course, these freedoms will be a thing of the past. And then your defense will have been in vain.
most sincerely,