Of course, he has said this before. Many learned statesmen in Washington and Western Europe will no doubt strenuously disagree, but I'm just not altogether sure this fellow is trustworthy.
"Ahmadinejad says his country now a 'nuclear Iran,'" from AP (thanks to Andrew Bostom):
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated Tuesday that Teheran has achieved full proficiency in the nuclear fuel cycle and warned the West that dialogue and friendship - not threats - were the right way to deal with Iran.
Right. HE makes the threats. WE respond with calls for dialogue. Didn't you read the script?
"Today, Iran is a nuclear Iran," Ahmadinejad told a press conference in Teheran. "That means, it fully possesses the whole nuclear fuel cycle."Ahmadinejad, however, said his country was committed to a "peaceful path" in pursuing its controversial nuclear program.
I'm gratified to read that Bush is sitting up and taking notice and sounding the alarm about Iran. I'd say we need to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age, but since it's already there, I guess the Cretaceous era will do, for that cretin Ahmedinejad.
Thug-In-Chief: Gadzooks, we got nukes.....That was funny....I will be passing around your new book Robert...very good.
Translation: The path will be peaceful if we look the other way.
When in doubt, surmise worst-case scenario.
Always plan for the worst, hope for the best-almost always, you're never in for a rude shock.
He knows we're onto his lies (not a single one of his "peaceful nuke" facitities shows ANY hookups to the power grid (THE fundamental sign of "peaceful"ness), nor are there any signs of any such thing occurring or about to occur (it's always step ONE or TWO when building "peaceful" nukes), and they're past that point...
Best to assume worst case...if he's lying, nothing lost...but if he's not, it's SHOWTIME.
WOW!!!!
Mark Steyn (on FOX) just impressed the heck out of me. An interview on Hannity & C
PERFECT !!!!!!!
Gotta read that book again.
Oh boy. And this is what Iraq has done. It's crippled us against a country that actually had intentions to develop nuclear power. And we just know that weapons are next.
Forget about dialogue. Forget about invading this place.
What Uncle Sam needed to UNDERTAKE YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE IS A DETONATE A FULL-SCALE ELECTRO MAGNETIC PULSE WEAPON OVER IRANIAN AIRSPACE to eliminate its infrastructure with which it would launch missiles loaded with nuclear explosives or any other weapon of mass destruction.
THAT WILL STOP THE MULLAHS in time. Insofar as I can see, nothing else will.
Call the White House everybody and tell our Prez George ("old Wobbly") Bush what has to be done NOW. Before the Mullah-monsters get any more ideas. Here's the number everybody:
(202) 456-1111
Is it a boy or girl? Female nukes and male nukes can't mix.
Meanwhile, the Bush lunacy is bogged down in "free" Iraq, while Morocco could Islamofascize on Sept 7, in one time elections.
Muslims do NOT want democracy; they want means for legitimation of sharia tyranny.
Do you want to understand Islam? Learn the meaning of abdullah. That's "abd" = slave and "ul-lah" = of al-lah (the god). Freedom for carpet humpers means: liberty outside of sharia's broad control. Our notions of freedom are meaningless to a Muslim. The fact that a US President cannot register that fact on his alcohol polluted brain, is aid and comfort to the enemy.
Meanwhile, the Bush lunacy is bogged down in "free" Iraq, while Morocco could Islamofascize on Sept 7, in one time elections.
Muslims do NOT want democracy; they want means for legitimation of sharia tyranny.
Do you want to understand Islam? Learn the meaning of abdullah. That's "abd" = slave and "ul-lah" = of al-lah (the god). Freedom for carpet humpers means: liberty outside of sharia's broad control. Our notions of freedom are meaningless to a Muslim. The fact that a US President cannot register that fact on his alcohol polluted brain, is aid and comfort to the enemy.
Islam: "submission" in Arabic. Comes from the root s-l-m, meaning "peace." That's the definition of peace for Muslims: submission of Muslims to Allah, submission of non-Muslims to Muslims.
Perverse--but they believe it wholeheartedly.
So, now they can produce enriched uranium hexaflouride. In what quantities?
Now they must be able to convert that into metallic uranium 235 then machine that into the proper shapes for a bomb. If they were working in parallel with the various processes, they could have a deliverable weapon within two years, perhaps. A uranium bomb is not really a technological challenge. The US did not test the uranium bomb, Little Boy, unless one considers that dropping it on Hiroshima was a test.
It took slightly over three years for the Manhattan Project to build two uranium bombs and two plutonium bombs. The US started from scratch, with nothing but theories; Iran has had enough smuggled technology to have a great head start.
We are close to a catastrophe.
When Ahmadinejad says that his country was committed to a "peaceful path" in pursuing its controversial nuclear program...
We all know what the word "peaceful" means for Muslims.
It's obvious what has to be done.
Yet, just like protecting our own borders, the obvious seems to elude President Bush.
it's just like when Muslims claim Islam does not allow the attack of innocents but they then failed to mention in their eyes only Muslims are innocent and infidels because they rejected àllha are not innocent just like Irans thug in chief keeps claiming to the West that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes well there's nothing more peaceful than a dead jew or Christian infidel and Muslim eyes and their legitimate targets because they have rejected Islam
I frequently see condemnation of Great Britain in their failure to stop Hitler and the Nazis in 1939 but the West, including the U.S. is doing doing the same today with Iran and islam.
There can be NO dialogue with these people, the only message they understand is force and, as unpalatable as force is to the West, this is what has to be done.
Not a little bit of force but a lot until the mullahs are no more and countries like Iran learn some manners.
When Iran gets sufficiently close to having a working nuke, it's capabilities will disappear in flashes of light created by Israel..........
and then WW3 starts........
Peaceful uses?
Free X-rays for all Iranians?
It's likely the Russians are helping them, heh?
Enough of the Bush-hatred already Cargo! He doesn't even drink, geez. I disagree with the govt. on many aspects of foreign policy, but calling the President names accomplishes what?
I vote for Pythagoras' plan!
Denigrating President Bush, particularly in this forum, does not further our cause. It does however, further the cause of our enemies, however slightly.
I think he's beginning to understand what the real threat is. Iran should take note.
For those who truly believe that the might of the U.S. military is being stretched to it's limit... The only limitations that are being reached are those that are necessary to prevent mass civilian casualties. (Although the line between civilian and enemy combatant is nearly invisible in many cases.) A limitation the enemy does not have in any way shape or form. These pathetic thugs could easily be wiped out if not for the care we take to do the right thing. The right thing is to kill the enemy with as few civilian deaths as is humanly possible.
If the full power of those serving in Iraq were unleashed, the world would have reason to hate us. It is that restraint which differentiates us from our enemies whomever and wherever they are.
Having morals is expensive. It costs flesh and blood and lives.
A targeted assassination is perfectly in order if it keeps the peace.
"I'm gratified to read that Bush is sitting up and taking notice and sounding the alarm about Iran."
Jewdog, Bush is busy granting Kosovo to Albanians, those very "secular Moslems" who are busy ehnancing all sorts of special ties with Iran, as proudly reported by irna (Iranian news agency)
http://www2.irna.com/en/news/view/line-22/0706029467151112.htm
i wrote last year a book on the subject.
the book name is:
" the day after the iranian bomb "
it is a famaly war drama story that telling what happen within israel after the iranians got the bomb.
i wrote the book as a service to the holocaust
message "never again".
i send the book to all 120 israel "kneset members" in january 2007, and to all of the madia leaders in israel.
...I wonder if Ahmadinejad has noticed the French president making open comments indicating Franch cannot allow Iran to have nukes.....it seems the support for action against Irans nukes is growing....i suspect Iran will be the direct receipient of some sort of military action against its nuclear facilities in the near future, maybe from the US, maybe from Israel, maybe from France, Maybe from Saudi Arabia, but definitely from someone......the sooner the better....
kill allah now!
kill allah now!
kill allah now!
and let the infidels take over!
Go to google
Type in : “ French military victories “ –
Click the first response ….
Enjoy !!!!
Go to google
Type in : “ French military victories “ –
Click the first response ….
Enjoy !!!!
supercargo,
don't blame alcohol. Our president is drunk on multiculturalism and cultural relativism. He's not alone in that, and neither is the US. Muslims are the only ones left with the will to preserve their own culture, even if it means war.
Iran is merely a symptom of our guilt-ridden (for no good reason) society and our inability to defend our own culture and heritage.
Our future is up to us. Likewise in Iran. It's up to the Iranian people. Hey guys: you did it before. You can do it again. Bring down your government. Don't expect us to do it for you. Been there, done that - in Iraq. If your leaders get nukes and threaten us or their neighbors, our missiles won't be able to tell the difference between a "pro-Western" Iranian and a mullah. Only you can prevent that scenario from ever becoming even a possibility.
Thug-In-Chief: Gadzooks, we got nukes
In the final analysis it is the deceit which will undo Islam and make it an object of revulsion-even to Muslims. If anyone believes (Derbytrotter, e.g.) that there is no difference between the teachings of Jesus and the Islamic belief-system, they only have to confront (and be honest about)the permissions to deceit in Islam. Jesus was very clear that all deceit came from "the evil one" and condemned all hypocrisy. Jesus' teaching in this matter is probably the hardest teaching of Jesus: we must abandon all deceit and hypocrisy. It's not an easy mandate.
Islam is a belief system that permits deception and hypocrisy. It's the religion of a Judas. Judas was very similar to Muhammad in deceit, hypocrisy and betrayal of trust.
Free X-rays for all Iranians?
posted by profitsbeard
Will x-rays go through burkas?
Frank,
Too many people have a vested interest in multiculturalism. They're convinced that nothing is bad and that we are the hypocrites for suggesting something is wrong.
The word "hypocrisy" has been overused in public and political circles to the point where it has lost all meaning. Calling someone a hypocrite means about as much as calling him an infidel.
To admit the deceit in Islam means to admit the truth in Christianity (not necessarily its veracity but the truth of its moral teachings) and there aren't enough Westerners prepared to do that. It would mean going against all they have been taught for the last forty years.
Your trade deficit could tank your currency and economy. You have no more energy independence than seven years ago (seven years wasted). What does he do about any of that? Nothing except funnel more cash, visas and arms to Saudis (and others) and help every Islamist movement on this planet that isn't directly threatening US yet and some that already do (see Al-Qaeda for an example of how these things work out).
Another vote here, for Pythagoras' plan.
PMK-
I see what you are saying re multiculturalism-but times are changing in that. We must make judgements (think) re what is good and what is bad in cultures based on logic-reason. If eduction is not about making judgements about what is good and what is bad (based on reason) then what is it about? Multiculturalism is a dogma that tells people not to think about what is good and bad in cultures (based on reason) and dogmatically tells folks not to think (use reason and make judgements based on reason).
People are getting a little pissed at being told that they are bigots for questioning whether or not Islamic dogma re Sharia law, etc. is compatible with a free society, with the free and open exchange and ideas and opinions. (Should we be "open" to that?) The truth is that Islam is foot binding for the head (look at Saudi Arabia)and incompatible with openly questioning minds.
Nobody is fleeing to the Muslim world because of its pluralism, its great educational institutions, its industry, its free and questioning atmosphere. Reason tells us that Islamic culture is foot binding for the head in those things.
Multiculturalism is also dogma.
The bottom line is that the so-called multiculturalists and the Islamic hustlers both are afraid of thought. Both are really part of the same dogmatic mind-set and tell everyone: "Don't think, don't make judgements (especially about us) re good and bad-don't reason. Don't critically analyse".
It's four legs good, two legs bad stuff. It's Orwell's Animal Farm.
"Denigrating President Bush, particularly in this forum, does not further our cause. It does however, further the cause of our enemies, however slightly."
And displaying partisanship is not something I'm concerned with. I'm trying to save the country.
Sheik yer'mami, I was once discussing military jargon with one of my sons concerning French words that are common in the English military lexicon. Such words as battalion, lieutanant, regiment, reville, chevron, and others have roots in the French language. My other bratty kid interrupted and added retreat, surrender, and abandon.
Frank,
You and I are on the same side. I just think constantly calling people hypocrites accomplishes nothing. The word has been used so often by politicians that it has lost its impact. The word has been neutralized. Better to just point out why we think ours is the proper argument instead of trying to beat Muslims at their own game.
The fact remains that we are embedded in four decades of anti-Western teaching.
Better for us to say why our culture is worth defending. Multiculti has been a disaster from day one and cultural relativism leads to such inanities as having to justify illegals who drive drunk by saying it's part of their culture!
You are absolutely right that we must make judgments but who is willing to accept them? There aren't enough people willing to let go of their politically correct attitudes. We can only hope that we survive long enough for them to see the light.
You call for admitting the deceit in Islam. I agree. You're right, but to do so means people might have to pass judgment on a culture and who in a position of power has the guts? It means they might have to admit the relevance of Christian teachings (regardless of whether or not they believe in Jesus) and who will take that gamble? Who in the educational system is willing to admit the error of their ways? The Karen Armstrongs of the world are vested in the vision of peaceful Islam and warring Christianity and their supporters are myriad. We saw the Muslim reaction to the pope's remarks about a Byzantine emperor. People didn't blame those who threatened violence. They blamed the pope for "inciting" the Muslim community.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to show how hard that seemingly simple goal will be to overcome.
Ahmad is just BEGGING for a fight. Either we give it to him or he's going to get this party started without us.
What more do we need to destroy his facilities? They should have been taken out months/years ago.
Stay tuned!
PMK-
Be optimistic. I'm as cynical by nature and I'm still an optimist on this and other things.
Re: "They blamed the pope for "inciting" the Muslim community".
That's straight from the Goebbels play book. (I think a lot of Muslims have studied Nazi propaganda methods.)Goebbels emphasised again and again the importance of positioning oneself as a victim as one launched attacks against a target. The Nazis did that all the time.
BTW, it might be helpful if the Dept. of Homeland Security looked into the possibility of organized propaganda patterns (including paid activists, rent a mob types, agents in the wire services, etc.) and find out where the money and marching orders (probably Saudi Arabia) are coming from and counter them. I detect some organized propaganda in all this. Most of it is freelance, but there is organization behind a lot of the lie, slander, accusation, intimidation, stunt (Flying Imams, e.g.) campaigns. It's more just Fibraim "Farfur" Hooper and CAIR. They are a small part of a bigger picture.
Keep in mind one overriding point...
He is NOT THE absolute dictator, nor the final say- he doesn't take a bowl movement without the permission of his masters: the AYATOLLAHS
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B782FED8-4FCE-41A5-A1B1-12732B452B3D
He is simply echoing the wishes of his masters.
I would be greatly conserned if Military operations are conducted for the sole purpose of removing their Nuclear capasity. Removing the sourse of power to run these facilities renders them usless just as much as blowing them up. Leaves more to inspect.
Iran needs to be nutralized as a regional problem maker. Make the peoples lives' so uncomfortable the Goverment has it's hands too full to fool arround elsewhere.
If you really want the Iranians to deal with their own internal problems, caused by the current leadership. Then simply inforn them of what will happen if "their" Goverment doesn't conform. The Iranians might actually reform them selfs if they know in advance that nothing they have will work anymore after about 30 days of non-stop Strategic Air and Tactical Ground Operations. With Full knowledge it will take Years to replace,if ever, without outside help.
Iran is like a Hornets Nest. Something you should't climb up a latter on a hot day just to give it a few taps.
Iran may have Nukes, but what good are they when the rest of the country is in rubble.
MAD is still relivent, only the M stands for something else. Any guesses?
Denigrating President Bush, particularly in this forum, does not further our cause. It does however, further the cause of our enemies,
--Alaskan
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No amount of criticism, even "denigrating" President Bush, can further the cause of our enemies as much as President Bush has done himself by mis-applying our military power in Iraq. Forget the lies about WMD's and Saddam's ties with Al Quada. That doesn't begin to matter. What matters is Bush's complete lack of preparation to maintain peace and destroy our enemies in Iraq after the so-called "mission accomplished" from several years ago. While the US, British, and allied military valiantly attempts to achieve victory, the political leadership is AWOL.
It is Bush who has squandered American power in Iraq. Bush has set forward the agenda of our enemies more than any Dhimmi could dream of. Because of Bush, America is not to be feared by our enemies, but only hated.
Frank... 'Reason tells us that Islamic culture is foot binding for the head in those things;.
Foot binding for the head...I like that line a lot.
Perfect...thanx...I wonder how many posters know what foot binding is?
Hyman...I applaud your passion, but from my point of view, Bush knows exactly what he is doing. This does not mean I am not being critical because I am. Certain elements of the US gov have a plan and they have been implimenting it all along. I don't know all the details, but all of us can see some of them.
He just placed US law as subservient to UN law in a health crisis, like a pandemic. He also wants to use the military domestically if this crisis occurs. If UN law is in place, who's military are we talking about? Then the reported North American Union, a superstate of US, Canada, And Mexico. Then he gave himself, the President, absolute power over nearly everything in the states, in a national emergency, that he can call for anything anytime. He is giving away this country, and stealing our sovereignty. He is making himself maximum leader. I am not a constitutional scholar but I read where it is a criminal violation of Constitutional law for any official elected or not, to give away, sell away, transfer away, loan away, or any away, any measure of American soveriegnty. It does not belong to them. None of this appears accidental or stupid to me, it is a plan in action. What the role of Iraq is I am not sure, but I know there is one...It's all deliberate...
duh_swami --
I believe it's a much more likely explanation is that the ideologues in the Bush administration actually believed that our type of civil institutions would spring up as soon as Hussein was deposed. And they had no backup plan in case that didn't happen. And they are unable to admit as much.
I don't generally buy into conspiracy theories that some group of evil overlords is so smart and powerful that everything they do, even and especially the most stupid things that they do, is part of some grand scheme to bring to power some group of evil overlords. That's the Illuminati conspiracy. It's also the Zionist conspiracy favored by Muslims and neo-Nazis. Fundamentalists seem to believe that's the Anti-Christ. Other people believe the UFOs are involved somehow. I'm not accusing you of subscribing to any of these particular theories in detail, but a common theme underlying all of them is that all major world events are tied together and planned to coincide according to some conscious plan on behalf of the major participants themselves. Nobody's that smart or well-organized.
I agree with you that the US should retain its sovereignty over itself. However, I disagree that it's part of some grand plan having something to do with Iraq or even Islam. Goals of free trade and competition from the EU, or, perhaps, "Eurabia," are sufficient to explain the desire to merge North America together. That oughtn't have anything to do with Bush and Co's incompetent mis-handling of Iraq. Greed of oil businessmen coupled with lack of political will to stop using petroleum, combined with wishful thinking that they are "moderate" is sufficient to explain the coddling of our enemies, the Saudis.
If these things are related to one another by any recurring themes, it's not because of a single well-organized group. It's because of greed, incompetence and ignorance.
memo to Hyman Roth:
Please dispense with the leftwing media fabrication that Saddam Hussein's government was secularist--it wasn't. This myth has been circulated by the media to whitewash Iraq (and Islam). Iraq at no point deserved to be whitewashed as it is being currently. saddam Hussein played the political angle of Islam but he was a jihadist and in fact declared a jihad war against America in 1991.
Possibly the one thing the Bush Administration did NOT lie about was Iraq'a government about having weapons of mass destruction! These not only existed but were removed by Russian Spetznik forces shortly before the Iraqi Invasion (by freight cars from Baghdad into Syria). There were Iraqi and Syrian eyewitness accounts to this and I personally viewed a MEMRI video by an ex-Iraqi official who participated in Saddam Hussein's acquisition advanced of weaponry from Russia, Germany, and France.
The media's claims to the contrary were emanating largely made from influential leftists, multi-culturists including manyEU bureaucrats.
Iraqi's intelligence network named Mukhabarat maintained ties with al-qaeda throughout the early to mid 1990s in Khartoum and participated in the plotting of the bombing attacks of the Kenya and tanzania US Embassies in 1998. Saddam Hussein controlled Mukhabarat.
The biggest problem with the US invasion of Iraq was that Bush failed to realiae that ALL Islamic govenrment are lethal--not just that of the Baathist Party. There were bigger fish to fry and the job didn't get done.
duh_swami- You hear little about Bird Flu these days despite the fact that It has infected several Bird Farms in the US. You do hear public service messages to be prepaired for it's possibility. Are you prepaired?
Can you be sure someone with sinister intent isn't weaponizing it?
If the President, no matter who it is, Orders you to stay indoors to prevent the spread of a Pathogen of this nature. Will you stay indoors? Or run arround sneesing on everyone in protest.
Will the People prove Hollywood right or wrong? or is it like THE STAND where it all becomes moot.
flowerknife us,
While we have not always agreed, I would never dare call you pro-Islamic in any way.
Im a big King fan, and The Stand was one of his best for sure. Quite appropriate.
Regards.
pythagoras:
I never said anything about Saddam's regime being secularist. But it was not a hotbed of Al Qaeda, nor was it central to the planning and staging of 9/11. Bush's team sold the American public on the belief that Hussein's regime was instrumental to the attacks on 9/11. The lies of the Bush administration regarding WMD's were that they had tangible evidence of their existence.
But like I said, I don't care so much about these lies because the real failure came in the bungling of the war after declaration of victory. I hope with all of my heart that our troops succeed there--but engaging in wishful thinking or blaming the "liberal media" for Bush's ineptitude in recklessly putting them in harm's way will not help our troops at all.
Bush has very poorly wielded the greatest military power in Earth's history. The fact that he has an "R" next to his name instead of a "D" on the ballot seems to excuse him for this in the eyes of lots of folks.
We don't even have to take out their nuke production facilities...we can hit them where it would hurt most.
Their limited number of refineries, especially big ones.
(They're awash in oil, but their refineries are limited and so decrepit now that they're barely cutting it as it is).
Their limited electrical grid at critical junctions.
That's 90% of their power,
it's also 90% of their income.
Counter-point: backup generators?
Nope, not to worry...even the most powerful in the world can't generate enough power to keep anything huge running, let alone a nuke production facility, which needs HUGE amounts to run...and they simply don't have it.
It's ok, it's no secret, so no risk of jeopardizing security...Common knowledge, and the iranians know it, too (and not a damned thing they can do about it).
*WEG*
It must be gratifying to know that you hold the only truth right there in the palm of your hand. I however know that I am quite often wrong about my interpretation of things I see or hear. At one time I was quite open to the global conspiracy type of stories and read them avidly, seeing the perfect logic of them.
Time has taught me that, well...if it takes a whole raft of people to pull something off, someone is bound to screw it up or expose the plot in some fashion. Jeez...ole Clinton, with the vast resources at his command, couldn't hide a stain on a dress, and he's supposed to be a whole lot smarter than President Bush.
But fear not fellow citizens for Darth Bushs evil reign is coming to an end, and he shall no longer control the Empire. Soon the JediDhimmis will be in control and all will be well in the Galaxy.
If/when the Dems take the Presidency, I shall buy another 5000 rounds of .308, cause the only one looking out for me will be me.
Again...if you think the might of the U.S. Armed forces is "stretched to its limit" you are vastly mistaken. Have you ever seen the video of the nuke that is fired from the barrel of a 105 Howitzer? That's the little cannon that you see in the old newsreels bein' towed behind a Jeep. The only limits that are being reached are the ones necessary to avoid mass civilian casualties. It costs flesh and blood and lives to be moral and do the right thing. This is what sets us apart from the scum we are fighting. They could not care less for the civilians that surround them.
I'm sure this post will also be picked to pieces by those who insist on bashing Bush here...as if he personally were to blame for all things evil and stupid. There's plenty of stupidity to go around. That is also what sets us apart from many other nations. The right to say anything, even the most vile of things (not that anyone here has.) about a sitting President. That won't fly in Venezuela.
My father served this country for 33 years, in part, so that we can do exactly that. This freedom comes with responsibility. Please consider the weight of your words before presenting them to our enemies. I'll not speak of this again. Taint my job to silence anyone and I don't have the right. That's America...
"The lies of the Bush administration regarding WMD's were that they had tangible evidence of their existence."
Posted by: Hyman Roth
....hundreds of thousands of dead Iranians and tens of thousands of dead Kurds would beg to differ with you....They died as the result of toxic nerve and toxic chemical weapons deployed by Iraqi soldiers....