And other interesting observations from just before the 2003 entry into Iraq. "Saddam suggested $1bn exile," by Jason Webb in The Scotsman (thanks to Hot Air):
SADDAM Hussein was prepared to take $1 billion and go into exile before the Iraq war, George Bush, the United States president, is said to have told José WMaria Aznar, the then prime minister of Spain, a month before the 2003 invasion.During a meeting at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on 22 February, Mr Bush told Mr Aznar that Saddam could also be assassinated, according to a transcript of their talks published yesterday in the Spanish newspaper El Pais.
"The Egyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein. It seems he's indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he's allowed to take $1 billion [£500 million] and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction," Mr Bush was quoted as saying. Asked by Mr Aznar whether the Iraqi dictator could really leave, Mr Bush replied: "Yes, that possibility exists. Or he might even be assassinated."
[...]
Mr Bush was dismissive about Jacques Chirac, the former French president, saying he "thinks he's Mr Arab", and he described the US as playing a game of "good cop, bad cop" with the former prime minister, Tony Blair.
"I don't mind being the bad cop if Blair is the good cop," he said.
Mr Bush referred optimistically to the reconstruction of Iraq, which he thought "could be organised into a federation".
I actually remember this story back when the war started
Chirac was a certified Dhimmi.
France doing everything to cozy up to muslims has done them no good.
Everyday their police forces in the larger cities are ambushed with firebombs and large stones as they attempt to arrest muslim drugdealers and other gangleaders terrorizing the locals.
Their police chief last year has used the term "intifadah" and some are starting to believe it has grown to such a bad stage of civil disobedience.
Now it is up to the government to make some hard decisions to clean up their nation.
Dont expect US troops a 3rd time this century to bail you out.
We are pretty busy now and it may get busier in the near future.
"One of two things will happen if a Democrat gets elected president," he said. "They will either have to withdraw U.S. troops in order to remain true to the rhetoric — in which case, any consequences in the aftermath fall on their heads. Or they have to break their word, in which case they encourage fratricide on the left of their party. Now that’s a thorny issue to work through."
-Anonymous Bush Staffer
No Mr. President, this one’s yours. Do the right thing.
I remember this....how interesting:
"Prince Saud al-Faisal of Saudi Arabia, whose claims to reasonableness are admittedly belied by his high office in a barbaric government, said he hoped 'there would be an opportunity given to Arab countries to mitigate the situation' before fighting began. His plan was simple and practical. The Americans would agree to hold their fire. Saddam would go into exile. He would avoid a trial or a rope slung over a lamppost. The Middle East would avoid war. A new regime would take over Iraq and everyone would be happy except the peoples of Iraq, who in all likelihood would find they had swapped one dictator from the ruling Sunni minority for another - or, rather, had the swapping done for them".......
There appears to be some (albeit little)currency behind Hugh's tarbaby cry to leave Iraq (which still smacks to one of defeatism):
It is far harder to institute a decent state with an islamist poplation, than almost anywhere else - viz.: Bangladesh.
But there (Bangladesh) a country properly touched by the finest of Brit traditions did function for some time as an independant state to some extent.
So it can be done, and the issue is, a) can the West do it, and b) is it worth it.
This poster believes a) we have no choice, and b) it is in our national interest.
While back home the real problem is with the Dems, their leftist crazies, and their liberal stupidities a la Lee Bollinger (Colunbia should be dissed and their funding cut off).
To all the Bush haters out there: Get a Life.
The Bush Family of Saudi Arabia.
'Good cop bad cop'...These guys think they are in a TV drama. Well the 'good cop' left, so look who is in charge now...
'He thinks he is 'Mr Arab'...A telling statement that would fit numerous dhimmi infidels. The Rev Jim for one, but you dear reader are aware of the cast of characters. I think Geo was probably looking in the mirror when he first said that. There is ample evidence that it is Bush himself who fancies himself as Mr Arab. Leans to the Sunni (Saudi) side I suspect. No doubt taking taqiyya lessons from Prince Bandar. And I am sure that the Prince assured him that there really is no supernatural being (mahdi) living in a well. Being 'Mr Arab' seems to be some kind of weird fad, that will probably wear out eventually...like glow socks.
I heard kliens interview on Coast to Coast AM.
Pretty much supports what we have learned here and related places. I also see that Rosie O is of one mind with terrorists. He (Klien) read them some of her quotes, and they agree with her, saying she would be welcome to come there and see how things 'really' are...Yep...I think she should pack a suitcase and get a ticket for the next camel train to Afghanistan. Hang out with the Taliban for a while. See how 'things' 'really' are...
I rather be Mr Civilization
The only thing Blair and Bush played were ...
good dhimmi, bad dhimmi.
The only thing I need to know about Islam was written before 1960 (before oil money began redefining the truth).
The trouble I see with Bush or any president is that they get all this advice from all sides. And you know all or most of it has agendas or interests attached to it. It's human to be working things to your advantage. The real leader knows this and can see or read between the lines. Anyway he (Bush) has been feed a line/s and that is what has gotten him to this point. I also think he is a very stubborn man and once he makes up his mind its hell for him to change it. Its a flaw to those who don't like what he has decided and a virtue to those who do like it.
I do my part by posting him an email every couple of months, telling him who the real enemy is.
Prov 20:18-19
Plans succeed through good counsel; don't go to war without the advice of others. A gossip tells secrets, so don't hang around with someone who talks too much.
مقاطعة 20:18-19
خطط النجاح من خلال الحسنه ؛ لا يذهبون الى الحرب دون مشوره الآخرين. أ ثرثرة يروي اسرار ، فلا هانغ حول المحادثات مع شخص اكثر من اللازم
Chirac as Mr. Arab? I always thought of him more as Mr. Laval.
Mr. Arab?
That would be King George Ibn Bush Al-Saud.
http://wonkette.com/politics/white-house/bush-puts-the-squeeze-on-saudi-prince-100952.php
It is easy to see why this possibility would have appealed to the Al-Saud. While happy to see Saddam Hussein removed, they could not have been happy, knowing perfectly well what the Americans never understood -- that unless he were to be promptly replaced by another Sunni, with the Iraqi army intact, in the manner of the coup against Qassem, then the Shi'a, having suffered so recently and so violently, would surely take control of Iraq (especially if head-counting "democracy" was transplanted by those crazy Americans) or, with the Kurds, if not of all of Iraq at least of all those part of Iraq worth having. And fabled Baghdad, al-madinat al-salaam, capital of the Abbasid Caliphate for 400 years, would then be in the hands of Shi'a -- "Persian" Shi'a -- and the offense to Sunni historical memories would be rank.
But to think that the trillion dollars might have been saved, and for $1 billion Saddam Hussein removed from the scene and presumably, his Sunni successor willing to reveal everything about WMD (for that would be the price of his being the successor), and handing whatever there was over to the Americans (as it turned out, the whole thing was blague, intended to scare not the Americans, but the Iranians -- and so Saddam Hussein, misperceiving the American misperception in this comedy-tragedy-tragicomedy of errors -- became hoist by his own pretend-WMD petard.
Fantastic. The historians simply will not be able to grasp the many different kinds of folly: folly by Iraq, folly by America, folly by Iran, folly by Saudi Arabia, folly by Bush and his loyalists, folly by the Democrats and their loyalists; folly, folly, folly. Everyone and his brother, stooping not to conquer, but to folly.
also I remember this:(from long ago prior to 2003)
The cry then as now is that Iraq would fall apart if it was allowed to try democracy. A long racist pedigree lies behind the overconfident and undereducated warnings from Left and Right about democracy bringing 'chaos' and 'instability'. The implicit assumption that Kurds and Arabs aren't fit for self-government was made explicit by the Foreign Office in 1930 when it explained to the League of Nations why Britain had broken a promise to grant the Kurds autonomy. 'Although they admittedly possess many sterling qualities,' a mandarin told the League of Nations, 'the Kurds of Iraq are entirely lacking in those characteristics of political cohesion which are essential to self-government. Their organisation and outlook are essentially tribal. They are without traditions of self-government or self-governing institutions. Their mode of life is primitive, and for the most part they are illiterate and untutored, resentful of authority and lacking in any sense of discipline or responsibility.'
Captive's wife confronts Iranian at UN
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_iran_un_confrontation_1;_ylt=AnOwl1lIky9IkIYjbwB_Sw4E1vAI
Ahmadinejad ignored her, saying "next question."
SADDAM Hussein was prepared to take $1 billion and go into exile before the Iraq war, George Bush, the United States president, is said to have told José WMaria Aznar, the then prime minister of Spain, a month before the 2003 invasion.
But that wasn't good enough for Bush because such a scenario wouldn't have done enough to bolster his chances of being re-elected in 2004. To maximize his chances of re-election, Georgie boy needed a real war. He needed an invasion. He needed to be seen as the Commander-in-Chief. And what the hay? Iraq would be a slam dunk, mission accomplished, even easier than Afghanistan which is a piece of cake.
Casualties?
"Might not be any," said Georgie.
dgene
Bangladesh???
That is what you are now pushing for? Boy we are getting to bottom of barrel. When the hell was Bangladesh a functioning state? I must have missed that one. Especially now that they have booted many of the Hindus out the country they will now reach a new level of futility.
“It is far harder to institute a decent state with an islamist poplation, than almost anywhere else”
No not Islamist…but Islamic. Only one state was semi-successful and it was Turkey. You remove Islam from anything related to state. You have to set up a hard line secular state the in forces that secularism by force if necessary. That is not what we are doing in Iraq. What we are doing is setting up an Islamic religious state.
“This poster believes a) we have no choice, and b) it is in our national interest”
This poster believes:
a) Yes we do: It is called energy independence and stop Muslim immigration.
b) Nope
“While back home the real problem is with the Dems, their leftist crazies, and their liberal stupidities a la Lee Bollinger (Colunbia should be dissed and their funding cut off).”
Sorry but Iraq is a real problem. We are wasting too much money on an ungrateful population that will never be our friends unless you remove Islam from their lives. The Dems and Bollinger and Columbia would be a minor problem if the GOP had any guts and any brains left. Dems don’t win elections….the GOP loses them.
“To all the Bush haters out there: Get a Life.”
Woooo….Do you have any new material…
Stick and bones may hurt my bones but words will never hurt me. Come on when will you admit this Iraq adventure is a colossal waste of time and money.
'He thinks he's Mr Arab'
HMMM...I think we have discovered a brand new psychiatric phenomena, 'Arab Envy'. It seems to infect the class of people known as voluntary dhimmis, as well as converts and born muslims, that are not Arab, and for some strange reason many on the left. Arab muslims are immune to this condition.
Arab Envy is racist by nature, it is an acknowledgment of racial superiority. The 'Master Race'. The 'best of people'. The new psychiatric field of Arab Envy Syndrome AES, is one that needs intense study. I will start right after breakfast...
Correction from above...
Sticks and STONES may break my bones but words will never hurt me...
I had Freudian slip...I was thinking of the Hindus in Bangladesh..."stones and then bones" I think explains their lives in that hell hole.
Foehammer:
Did you know that many leftists from the USA including Al Gore routinely go to Saudi Arabia, give talks to House of Saud audiences that often diss the USA and its policies, and reap megabuck$ doing that?
Hypocrisy? (Yes).
Don't be surprised if ol' Michael Moore himself tries his hand at it (everyone else on the anti-US left is). America's upper economic echelons cross many lines on this issue.
A 1934 Friendship Treaty between the USA and Saudi Arabia (signed by FDR) makes all this possible and NOT the Bush family. Thus there is no Bush-Arabs conspiracy--sorry to inform you of that. The Saudis have "officially" been a US 'ally' since the 1930s (however disreputable)--we bend to their will (often), and they (rarely) bend to ours.
On the lighter side, every major power in the world does business with the Saudis. China probably purchases more oil from the Kingdom than anyone else. And you may wish to read the book by Bat Ye'or to see what the Europeans have been doing with their money in the Kingdom and elsewhere in the Islamified countries.
Chirac was in reality just a fat old slob with dollar signs for eyes.
Let him bask in the (many) corruption charges probably heading his way and vamoose into well-deserved oblivion.
This story, if true, supports the theory of former congressman (R) John LeBoutillier, who for years has maintained that bush took down saddam to avenge saddam's attempted assassination of bush sr. if bush did invade iraq for personal reasons, he is definitely unfit for office &, I would think, is guilty of high crimes & misdemeanors. No pardon for his crimes. the appropriate punishment? Let's just say, "What goes around, comes around."
Yes, Iraq would be a slam dunk - thank you George TENET and your CIA of Michael Scheuer and Valerie Plame fame. Mission Accomplished - let's rehash over and over how the White House misued that banner recognizing the accomplishments of the carrier group. So just how quick is this country going to be energy dependent that we can sever any ties with the oil rich Arabs/Muslims?
The (D) Congress certainly ensures that no offshore or ANWR drilling takes place. No, the Dems are more concerned with a hate crime bill because of the increase (totally unsubstantiated) in attacks on Arabs/Sikhs, Muslims so sayeth Ted Kennedy (D). The GOP may lose elections but the Dems have skewed priorities. And quite frankly, no one in either party is going to take on ISLAM.
Bin Laden Ramadan lanterns show record sales in Egypt
http://en.rian.ru/world/20070927/81323521.html
With friends like these, who needs enemies?
Hussein also could have played nice and not been willfully in violation of UN resolutions no fewer than 17 times.
On the flip side, Bush does have Hussein's pistol mounted on the wall in his presidentail study, does he not?
And Mr. Bush fancies himself Lawrence of Arabia..
"SADDAM Hussein was prepared to take $1 billion and go into exile before the Iraq war, George Bush, the United States president, is said to have told José WMaria Aznar, the then prime minister of Spain, a month before the 2003 invasion.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2"
Saddamm refused the offer of exile:........
Rumsfeld: This offer is a historic opportunity for you. You will be released and we will consult with you in everything related to the running of Iraq. If you refuse this offer, the opportunity will not be fulfilled..
Saddam Hussein: I am not looking for opportunities. I am not looking for a way to save my neck from the gallows that you have set up for all of Iraq. If I wanted that, I would have accepted the Russian offer and saved my sons and grandson from martyrdom. I don’t know what has become of my family and my daughters and grandchildren. But believe me: I am concerned with every Iraqi citizen and with the future of great Iraq more than I am concerned with myself and my family.
Through your men, you previously made an offer that if I declare that weapons of mass destruction were muggled to Syria, you said that in return you would release me. I rejected that then and I reject it again now.
However off the record Saddam said all offers have been to boring. He said, "Who would want to live in North Korea, Saudi Arabia, or even Russia? Offer me someplace with good beaches, lots of girls, and I'll go."
....Russian offered asylum....
"
dgene:
There appears to be some (albeit little)currency behind Hugh's tarbaby cry to leave Iraq (which still smacks to one of defeatism):
Exactly what would victory look like?
Cant think of it? No neither can I.
Remember there is not unlimited funds, unlimited soldiers, unlimited resources. The USA Army is not unbreakable.
So it can be done, and the issue is, a) can the West do it, and b) is it worth it.
Good questions but I disagree with your answers.
They should be:
a) No, not unless you want to be the occupying force forever. And whereever you are, Muslims will act like a guerilla army, forever whittling your men down with bombs, snipers, suicide bombers. Even if you protect your men, they will take auxilary cooperatives like native policemen, wives & children, teachers and target key resources. I dont even think it is worth staying in Afghanistan, as Karzai's constitution is still based on Islam. Karzai has closer allegiance with the Taliban than with the West. Whatever alliance there is, has to be viewed as temporary, it is never permanent. Ideally we would like a non-Islamic government with a non-Islamic constitution and further we could bring our troops home permanmently and the country still stands.
But that is fantasy. The moment the West pulls out, the following day the Taliban topple whatever weak Government is in place.
What we do is fight limited wars with limited sets of objectives, e.g. Israel striking Syria over nuclear arms. It is basically Clintons policy of containment & sanctions. And using the CIA, other Western resources to encourage infighting
b) No it is not worth it.
The West could easily
- close all mosques
- close madrassahs
- deport all foreign Muslims
- get rid of all those Saudi students
- educate non -Muslims about Islam and the new set of policies.
- make it super tough to be a Muslim in the West.
- criminalise behaviour like polygamy, honour killing, paedophilia
- and reduce Oil dependency by making cars like the Prius mandatory. We have to be weaned off Oil. Alternative Energy, Clean Energy must be accelerated.
- foreign policy of support of non-Muslims in Muslim countries, sanctions against bad UN rights behaviour of OIC countries, sanctions against OIC countries that dont allow other religions their places of worship.
- Support of Israel. Where they have been unsupported by the West is ideologically.
The West has tended to accept the Arabs viewpoint. I dont any of it.
- get rid of illegal immigrants.
- we also get tough on aid. There is no reason why we should fund, say, medical supplies for foreign hospitals if they are going to later send people to come and kill us.
Same with arms - under no circumstances do we export arms to Islamic countries (with the possible exception of a civil war - in which case we supply both sides).
To all the Bush haters out there: Get a Life.
I dont hate Bush but he has been damn stupid. He has squandered his presidency. There is a war to be fought, and he has been fighting the wrong war. Ideologically - he has not got off first base.
I don't hate Bush. I pity him. He's a jabbering fool blinded by the culture of the rich that he comes from. He has not done the basics to protect our nation despite all the posturing and the loss of lives in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Do I care if Al Gore is talking to Saudis? No. He's not the President of the United States.
Do I care if China is talking to the Saudis? No. I already know that China is never to be trusted because ancient empires that build up military strength since Vietnam and do no value individual life or even the lives of American kids playing with new lead-paint coated toys are obviously thinking about different priorities than the average American.
I care that anyone is perpetuating the Islamic ideal at all. I care that we do not stop it NOW. I care that too many people are dumber than I am or lack the wisdom. Those things I care about too much and I've been rather quiet on here for months because, frankly, all this talk is pointless. Action is required and it will not happen.
History is the road map. We are making the same damn mistakes that have repeated themselves over and over across the centuries. We will not react until American freedoms are directly threatened.
The danger is this: will we have the will and the strength to win once we get to the point that we realize we are in jeopardy and apathy no longer reigns supreme -- or will we be Muslims?
Good luck, folks. It's going to take some serious leaders to pull our fat out of this fire.
Me? I'm pretty sick of it all. I think I might move to a mountain town somewhere and prop up a satellite dish, pop some popcorn and watch history unfold. I'll tell my grandkids: "I tried to do something, but in the end I was just one small man from a middle class family. I never had a chance to fix things."
'Nuff said.
"Me? I'm pretty sick of it all. I think I might move to a mountain town somewhere and prop up a satellite dish, pop some popcorn and watch history unfold. I'll tell my grandkids: "I tried to do something, but in the end I was just one small man from a middle class family. I never had a chance to fix things."
I feel your pain. If the West was united, we would have no problem winning. Sadly, too many in positions of power and influence are not on our side.
Me? I'm pretty sick of it all. I think I might move to a mountain town somewhere and prop up a satellite dish, pop some popcorn and watch history unfold. I'll tell my grandkids: "I tried to do something, but in the end I was just one small man from a middle class family. I never had a chance to fix things."
'Nuff said.
Posted by: Foehammer
The least we can do is to channel an earthquake and a giant fire in mecca. I wouldn't want to suggest how these might be caused.
:-)
Get rid of the black box and maybe these Arabs will learn to think outside of it.
Bin Laden Ramadan lanterns show record sales in Egypt
http://en.rian.ru/world/20070927/81323521.html
With friends like these, who needs enemies?
Posted by: Elric66
I read the link.. Made in China too.. talk about faulty products.. We should tell China either they stop producing these propaganda items or we will institute some tariffs.
yes, and no more aid to Egypt!
I will go futher on what the West could do
- Ideologically
We could run Radio Stations, TV channels, other Media that broadcast into OIC countries. In no uncertain terms we want to make sure that if believe the Hadith then what follows is quite a lot in terms of what Muhammad is like: paedophile, murderer, thief. I would want to educate the Muslims
We make sure we scrupulously observe the truth.
- We point out how successful the West has been.
- We point the truth on Womens rights in Islam.
- We point how poor Islam is on culture - no music, no sculpture, no painting, almost no literature apart from Quran, no science, no medicine.
- We point how poor Muslims are at winning Nobel prizes (and how good the Jews are).
Ultimately I want to get Muslims depressed about Islam. Everything is designed to sap their energy, get them thinking, get them to read their Quran. Even broadcasting the Quran in their own language particularly the destructive verses.
And if they can see we are not lying, doubt will creep in.
Sadly, too many in positions of power and influence are not on our side.
Posted by: Elric66
Too many of our own populations aren't on our side either.. they're Liberals and Commies.. See the recent downplaying of the iran-Nazi's comment about "homosexuals". The leftists don't want to lose a powerful client and partner.
Allahfanculo,
Tell me about it. They cant stand conservatives for opposing gay marriage but ok with Iran hanging homosexuals.
Allahfanculo:
The least we can do is to channel an earthquake and a giant fire in mecca. I wouldn't want to suggest how these might be caused.
I agree. If would be good if Mecca (& Medina) experienced crushing atmospheric pressure and temperatures comparable to the surface of the sun (3000C). A memorable Hajj experience :-)
"or he might even be Assassinated".
This must have been going on during the 3 month period Turkey was screwing arroud with us because of that Arab Chirac.
It does not suprise me that the concept of Saddams Assissination was considered, even pushed for through back channels.
The Left would have cried fowl no matter what the outcome. Especially the maintaince of a Sunni Dictatorship. Suddenly the whole consept of Democracy for Iraq would have become the Hammer to beat the Bush Administration over.
A more compliant Sunni Dictatorship respecting the wishes of the UN would have been a politically correct solution. Preasure could be brought to bear to temper the actions of this new Goverment towards its population.
Had Saddam left the Country or had been Killed there would have been no justification for the Invasion.
Saddam went all in with a losing hand against an agressive player.
The Sunnis have no one to blame but themselfs for the killing going on at the present time. For the cost of a few dollars worth of Bullets would have kept any number off the back of a deck of Cards.
It was obvious that by Jan. 2003 that Saddam was going to be leaving Iraq one way or another. Not with 250,000 Troops deployed in Theater ready for Invasion. Comming home empty handed was never an option.
Supporting a reasonable change in a Dictatorship is not new for an American Government. To think we would encourage an outright Socialist or Communist Goverment having had to remove Saddam by Force was never an option.
So listening to the Opposition cry about the cost of Democracy for Iraq comes as no suprise. They cry about everything.
Slouching toward dhimmitude in Minneapolis?
Minneapolis Community and Technical College in downtown Minneapolis is the school that had planned to install footbaths for Muslim students until Star Tribune columnist Katherine Kersten blew the whistle. Now I understand that the authorities governing Minnesota state colleges have taken the matter under advisement.
Yesterday a student at MCTC wrote us concerning a small room on the third floor of the Technical Building, which I visited to take a look at myself. The room is identified as a "masjid" (mosque) and has Muslim-themed flyers (such as one on "the five pillars of Islam") on and around the door. It is, moreover, designated for "sisters" only. According to a statement on the door, a comparable room is reserved for "brothers" at the same location on the fifth floor. These facilities, whatever they are, are apparently reserved for the use of Muslims.
I called the interim vice president for student affairs to ask about the rooms. She said she had no idea what I was talking about and asked me to send her an email message. I've written to ask for an explanation and will provide whatever response we receive. Brian Ledbetter, from whom I've borrowed the heading for this post, has been following a similar (apparently less egregious) case at George Mason University.
"They cry about everything.
Posted by: flowerknife_us""
......yep,....and they are still losers....
Chirac wasn't just a dhimmi...he was an outright collaborator with saddam to double-cross the oil-for-food program...but that's already public knowledge.
That's why the offer of a payoff that never happened...to save chirac' face, since both he and saddam were of the socialist ilk...and the real reason chirac was against any action against saddam.
kickbacks & payoffs...from the ATM & now-documented proxy arm of al-qaeda...
...birds of a feather.
At the Stop the Islamisation of Europe demonstration in Brussels, I was one of 200 to 500 people who had made the effort to turn up. Out of our group of 7 people, 2 were arrested. The SIOE story was missed in all the msm except Al Jazeera, who managed to interview one of the organisers.
That so many were arrested was not the problem. The problem was that merely 200 people cared enough to come. I don't see a peaceful resolution and I understand why people become terrorists. If a Dhimmi mayor were to be more terrified of being killed by a terror group who don't like mosques being built, then he would think twice before bending over for his muslim masters.
As neither myself, nor anyone anti islamists I know are capable of terrorism, we are really in a tough situation.
In France, only one candidate in the presidential elections of May 2007 stood against the islamisation of France. He had the same access to the media as all the other candidates. He ended up with 2.5% of the vote.
We are the ones seen as the lunatics.
Sebastian,
you referring to Le Pen?
jcom972 I'm referring to Philippe de Villiers, who said on TV that Islam meant Islamic terror. He went much further in his book "Les Mosquées de Roissy" where he reveals secret mosques in the main Paris airport as well as in Eurodisney. The Obin report about the Islamisation of schools has been quietly forgotten, but he never neglects to mention how school dinners are becoming halal for all. Philippe de Villiers is a true patriot and a good friend of Israel.
Incidently I to went to Eurodisney last week. All the local youth come late in the evening to harrass the tourists. They either get in for nothing because their brothers work security or they buy a yearly pass at a special rate for locals. I understand that there is a secret mosque under the Big Thunder Mountain but I can't say I noticed anything strange there. Link in French http://ffpiid.bbactif.com/La-France-metropolitaine-f3/Philippe-de-VILLIERS-vs-l-islamisation-de-la-France-t640.htm
Jean Marie le Pen, doesn't mind Islam. He supports Iran in its effort to obtain the bomb and joined forces with a black antisemitic perfomer Dieudonné just a few weeks before the elections.
I agree with Elric66 that if the West were truly united we would be winning this war, even though the Islamic world is dysfunctional. I would add that winning would also entail being willing to be ruthless on occasion, just as America was at times during WWII. We have not been ruthless enough. Also, it continues to intrigue me that much of the world hates Bush and the Americans, who want to bring democracy and prosperity to Iraq (Doubt me? Just ask a Kurd.), far more than it hates the guys sawing off heads, blowing themselves up in marketplaces and deliberately killing civilians of all stripes. Even assuming Bush and the Americans were wrong to go into Iraq in the first place, why isn't the ire of the world directed first and foremost towards the Islamic barbarians out there? One last thing, and again even assuming American entry into Iraq was a mistake, leaving Iraq precipitously will not be costless by a long shot. One knows this or should know it.
“We could run Radio Stations, TV channels, other Media that broadcast into OIC countries. In no uncertain terms we want to make sure that if believe the Hadith then what follows is quite a lot in terms of what Muhammad is like: paedophile, murderer, thief. I would want to educate the Muslims
We make sure we scrupulously observe the truth.
- We point out how successful the West has been.
- We point the truth on Womens rights in Islam.
- We point how poor Islam is on culture - no music, no sculpture, no painting, almost no literature apart from Quran, no science, no medicine.
- We point how poor Muslims are at winning Nobel prizes (and how good the Jews are).”
All excellent and sensible things to do. They are not done because most Infidels have no clue as to the threat we face.
This war will be won or lost right here at home. If we manage to get enough Infidels educated as to the true nature of Islam we will win, if not we will loose.
So I don’t want to hear “there is nothing I can do” especially from those on this web site. You know very well what needs to be done and most of us are doing it to the extent we can.
Educate the Infidel, kill the Jihadi.
ralphyboy (really think you'll ever get respect with a moniker like this one?----might as well have for your top defensive player a linebacker called "Skippy"): You pray for Saddam Hussein's eternal rest in heaven and then write that most of the comments here are lame? Congratulations for posting the most clueless statement I have read in some time. Time to do some homework, ralphyboy.
From a previous post:
"And then there is the matter of personal gain, which has caused so many to forget other allegiances in the rush to recycle petrodollars for their own benefit and that of their friends, their circle, those like them. Chirac over many years has been the recipient of many favors from various Arab tycoons and tyrants, including the late Rafik Hariri, who brought him nice presents and remembered him in other ways, and the soon-to-be-late Saddam Hussein. Rumors of a Parisian version of the Kniphausen Hawk, a jewel-encrusted falcon, one of only two commissioned by some Arabs, made by some master craftsmen (perhaps Cartier knows something about this) with one of them delivered to a French contractor with extensive interests in the Middle East, and the other, it is said, to Jacques Chirac himself (this would have been about 25 years ago), might help explain Chirac's behavior. His rumored recreations must run into money."
[Posted by Hugh on Nov. 5, 2005]
Chirac: Corrupt like any African dictator
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/19/868/
Sebasitan,
Thanks for filling me in...wasn't sure which one it was.
From the article: "Mr Bush was dismissive about Jacques Chirac, the former French president, saying he "thinks he's Mr Arab""
Now, if you read really carefully between the lines you'll note a touch of irony. Just a touch, mind.
From the article: "Mr Bush was dismissive about Jacques Chirac, the former French president, saying he "thinks he's Mr Arab""
The sentence should continue: "Doesn't he know that I'm Mr Arab?"
Perhaps ibn Bush got a wee bit jealous of Chirac?
Possibly...but W didn't cut his allies' throat by doing double-agent double-crosses while feigning being on board with his allies of the west against agents of death...then running de facto interference for same agent of death feigning righteousness of said actions, which later proved to be just what was suspected: double-agent double-crossing, complete with documents from the very same agent of death he ran interference for, for his own personal gain.
;-)
FromHermit" "Doesn't he know that I'm Mr Arab?"em>
HA! That's funny You could have a point. It would explain why he's using US troops and US taxpayers money to build hospitals and roads and mosques in Iraq.
Mind you, that doesn't explain why a significant minority of US citizens support this "lets-spend-all-our-tax-money-on-infrastructure-projects-in-Iraq" policy.
And many of them call themselves conservatives too.
Go figure.