"We are unexperienced and a bit stupid as regards diversity and a multicultural population, says head of Security Service Jørn Holme to nrknyheter.no.""We confuse Islam and Islamism. Islamism is after all a very particular form of Islam. I believe many Norwegians mix it up completely." -- from this news article
A "bit stupid as regards diversity"? Meaning not everyone in Norway is convinced that the most important and practically the greatest thing that any government can promote is "diversity"? Is that it? Are there still not enough university rectors in Norway to echo the sentiments of one Mary Sue Coleman of the University of Michigan, in her world-famous address "We Are Diversity"?
And that business about "we [Norwegians] confuse Islam and Islamism." We are all confused. We are confused, and we are alarmed. For the last person in Norway who should make such a remark, that is, the head of the Norwegian security service, confidently tells us that there is a great difference between "Islam" and "Islamism"?
So tell us, please, what those differences are. Be sure to tell us the differences in doctrine, and do not merely describe them as differences in practice. If someone engages directly in violent Jihad, and someone else supports the first person in every way -- money, moral support, attempts to confuse Infidels or keep the security forces from effectively monitoring and doing their job -- is the second person not also supporting violent Jihad? And what of those Muslims who support Jihad, but believe that at this point, with the numbers still against Muslims in the West, and violence possibly likely to work against Muslim interests, that it is better to proceed by non-violent means? That is not a moral argument against violence, but merely a practical one, based on what Muslims may regard as a temporary situation to be endured. They believe that the most effective weapons of Jihad are use of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and, best of all, demographic conquest, as the large Muslim families and continued Muslim immigration unhindered by any Infidel attempts to stop it, show everywhere an inexorable rise in Muslim numbers and therefore Muslim political power and Muslim ability to pressure politicians to bend to their will long before Muslims are a majority.
One thing is not confusing about the statements made by the head of Norway's security service. One thing is crystal clear. He does not understand the texts and tenets and attitudes and atmospherics of Islam. In order to immediately improve the security situation in Norway for Norwegian non-Muslims, the head of the Security Service, Jorn Holme, should be immediately fired. He should be replaced by someone with a solid grasp of Islam, and therefore of the permanent threat that Islam represents to the legal and political institutions of Norway, to its social arrangements, to free inquiry and to art, to the physical well-being of Infidels -- not this fictive "Islamism" that some seem unable to drop or do without, for reasons having to do with their own mental inadequacies or their fear of giving offense or for some other mistaken and two-bit machiavellian calculation.
If Jorn Holme can kindly list the passages in the Qur'an and Hadith that "Islamists" rely on, and tell us how such passages, and such reliance on them, differs from what those who believe not in "Islamism" but "Islam" take as their texts, we will all be happy to accept his superior knowledge and understanding -- a knowledge and an understanding that presumably goes far beyond that of the great Western scholars of Islam, every single one of them in the days before the profession itself became islamized and peopled by apologists. Some of them now are no more than direct or indirect hirelings of the Arabs, such as Esposito, and others who "found the answer" to their own spiritual search in Islam, and still others who, careful careerists, are afraid to offend the Muslim colleagues who now make up nearly three-quarters of the membership of MESA (Nostra) in this country, and who control in most colleges and universities the academic study -- or deliberate non-study -- of Islam.
hugh
why are you so suprised that a far-left socialist government is acting this way?
And vote for Hillary so she will pay these people to have babies..
Greetings:
Where have all the Vikings gone?
"Of the 37 NATO nations and partners in the Afghan force, Norway is one that has avoided the more dangerous parts of the country, where Canada shares much of the burden with Britain, the Netherlands and the United States."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070926.wnorway26/BNStory/Afghanistan/home
11B40
the true vikings left norway hundreds of years ago, they settled in iceland, northern scotland, greenland, parts of the english coast and later many went to the US colonies and south america.
the weaker ones stayed behind.
That miserable Quisling.. may he be stranded on a tiny little island and meet a lovesick camel there.
And vote for Hillary so she will pay these people to have babies..
Posted by: lonewolf
GOOD GRIEF!! They're doing that in Germany already! We should make sure that each and every talkshow host makes that connection.. Kindergeld = MORE islamists born HERE. Paid for by US.
Michael Savage, please read this site.. the WORD has to get out!!!!
Hitlery in '08 means the islamists get PAID!!
Great post, Hugh.
Y'know, I read stuff like this on here and on JW. Then I'm at another blog, and people are saying that the "neoconservatives" don't understand the connection between Islam and jihad, that they use the term "Islamofascism" to break this connection, because it's inconsistent with their ideology.
Now, here is Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch. Here is Hugh Fitzgerald. Would the paleoconservatives call him and Robert "neoconservatives"? After all, this is all connected somehow with Horowitz and Front Page Mag, right? Yet Robert and Hugh are the _last_ people to be confused about this matter. They are relentlessly clear about it. And I'd certainly rather have them on my side in fighting the jihadists than, say, Ron Paul, who is a hero to all the people who hate "neocons."
I said all this in the other blog thread. Just wanted to post it here as a compliment to JW and Hugh and Robert. I'm not saying I agree with y'all about everything. In particular, I disagree with Hugh about environmentalist stuff. But that's not relevant to the question of whether these guys understand the problems with Islam. Keep up the good work.
Our government does consist of some far left socialist politicians, but the head of the security service is not politically appointed. The government is clueless about islam (and a lot of other things), but I suspect mr Holm is a lot smarter than he appears in this news article. Suppose for a moment that he actually went on the record to say that islam itself is the problem - in this country speaking the truth like that would be a professional suicide. After all, this is the place where when a man from Ghana knocked down a man from Somalia, the main debate following that was about the racism of the ambulance crew who misread the situation.
Hugh,
Some of our presidential candidates are stupid with regard to diversity: Mc Cain said he would vote for a Muslim president:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Of course, he qualified this statement into apparent harmlessness but the point is that he is saying that a Muslim could be a good US president. This is not a helpful message from a presidential candidate.
No Islam, no Islam-ism.
Simple as that.