Behold the glorious complexity of Islam! Here is a belief-system so intricate, so nuanced, so difficult to grasp, that even those who dedicate themselves to embracing it and living by its precepts tend to misunderstand it utterly, missing its message of peace and actually coming to believe it teaches them to commit violence against unbelievers in order to bring about their subjugation! Imagine! Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR should get on the phone to German Muslim leaders right away, offering to share the techniques his group has used to such great effect to prevent converts to Islam in the U.S. from joining jihad groups.
What's that? CAIR doesn't have any such program? What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
"German authorities watch increasing conversions to Islam with concern," from Deutsche Presse Agentur (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
Berlin (dpa) - The German authorities are watching the rising tide of conversion to Islam with some concern, the daily Berliner Zeitung reported Thursday.The newspaper cited figures compiled by a Muslim group that showed that 4,000 Germans had converted last year, compared with just 1,000 in 2005.
It was common knowledge that the German authorities were monitoring converts to Islam closely, it said.
Quoting Interior Ministry officials, the newspaper said there had been a rise internationally in the number of converts involved in Islamist terrorist acts.
Among them are "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, a Briton who tried to blow up an American Airlines flight in December 2001, and Muriel Degauque, a Belgian suicide bomber who blew herself up in Iraq in November 2005.
Guido Steinberg, who researches Islamic issues, said extremists were targeting new converts, and terrorist expert Rolf Tophoven said converts tended to be fanatical....
Abdullah attributed the increase in conversions to rising Islamophobia. "Whenever Islam falls under suspicion, many people start to feel solidarity with the religion," he told the Berliner Zeitung.
Yes, that's it. People begin to criticize Muslims for allowing terrorists in their midst, and that makes non-Muslims convert to Islam and...become terrorists.
Hitler (and Himmler) said that Islam was perfectly compatible with Nazi ideology and regretted that Germany was under the influence of Christianity (Hitler called Christianity "the Jewish Christ creed with its pity ethics).
Muslims like to pretend that Islam is tolerant on racial matters. But most Muslim dominated countries are much less ethnically diverse than the USA. (Saudi Arabia, for example, is very racist against non-Arabs. They would have Nazi standards re allowing large numbers of Negros into their country. It ain't America. Arabs, after all, are "the best people".)
Islam and Nazi Germany would have been perfect together. Islam is also fraud when it comes to race. Muslim countries are not ethnically diverse and the Muslim world is much more seperated by race than the good ol USA (or many Western countries for that matter).
Stray thought: How about a cafe press coffee mug with the phrase on it, "What are you, some kind of islamophobe?"
Or a bookmark or something.
Methinks the Germans are beginning to understand all to well......
MISUNDERSTANDING????? You got to be kidding me.
Islam is, what those in Islam do....
"It's a small percentage of Muslims that are doing the evil on this planet" is an argument that is falling on deaf ears these days...
Two things need to happen for us to have peace on earth.
1. Islam needs to move into the 21st century. They need to develop the tolerance that every other religion has developed, sure there are the fringe elements in all religions, but each religion should police it's own.... Islam hasn't done it nor will they until they are forced to do it. PCness will not force the issue.
2. Islam is eliminated.
No third option.
Robert:
Yes, I am kidding you.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
But WHY is it so hard to OUTLAW this cult just like the Scientologists?!
If ALL Western countries were to outlaw islam at the same time then HOW can they wage an oil boycott against us?
We can 'nationalize' SOWdi inverstments inside our lands if they ever get too hostile.
I really think we need islam OUT OF HERE!
And for good measure, let's allow the Israelis to EXPEL all those wretched pals from Gush Katif, and from Judea and from Samaria. And they need to ANNEX the Golan..
Europe would be better off with Israel in the EU instead of scumlands like Turkey.
Islam is simple / comlex enough depending on how well, what fits the agenda of:
- Caliphat.
- Sharia.
- Koran.
Including, but not limited to:
- Decieving.
- Terrorizing.
- Raping.
- Looting.
To:
- convert.
- subjugate.
- kill.
- Anything to dominate.
Non-muslims!
Put differently, there is:
- Dar-al-Islam.
- Dar-al-Harb.
.... until all belongd to Allah in Dar-al-Islam.
Not that complex.
(sarcasm switch to on)
Amazing how quickly conned-verts to Islam discover and act upon all that "kill the kufars in the name of allah" stuff. Must be the fault of Robert Spencer's and all those Islamophobes and Apostates pointing out all those hate inducing passages in Islamic scripture. Yeah, it's their fault. Not the fault of the (un)Holy Koran and all those Islamist be-headers, suicide bombers and their ilk. No, it can't be them. Damned Islamophobes!
(sarcasm switch to off)
Poor Islamania. So misunderstood. The jihadists claim they are the true believers while the non jihadists claim the violent ones are misunderstanding things. One has to conclude from such views that no Muslim is understanding what the Koran is saying. Therefore, one would have to be a sheer idiot to convert to something its own followers can't seem to grasp. You'd think after 1400 years somebody in that cult would have it straight by now.
In a moment of possibly inane optimism, I thought, "Oh, if they're watching conversions with alarm, they're on the road to moving against the followers of Mohammed." Wouldn't that be healthy?
Funny don't these Muslims know that the command to Kill and convert are only meant for the polytheists of Medina?
All converts to Islam should be considered as enemies of the state in any western country, because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7IMGzisct0 thier faith commands them to destroy the constitutions under which they are governed, as such they have joind a cult bent on war with the state, and should be treated as such.
The secret to knowing if they are misunderstanding Islam or not is to ask "why do the "misunderstanders" always misunderstand Islam in exactly the same way for the same reason?"
Answer , they dont misunderstand Islam at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI5WoXpmPiM
WOW this guys is spot on!
If they (the Germans) can ban Scientology, then the can ban Islam. The latter is ultimately much more dangerous.
Abdullah makes complete sense. I mean, think about it - when the KKK was marginalized by society's "Klanophobia," there were just tons of whites joining the group.
/sarc
meant of course "They" can ban Islam. Great Link Ameriki! The guy really tells it like it is.
The 21st century answer to the borg aliens.
R.S. I knew you were kidding me sir, I just used it for shock value.... LOL
I really wonder what kind of loser converts to, and embraces, Islam.
The more trouble that is caused, the more the authorities will be forced to sit up and pay attention. If white, middle- or upper-class, well-educated people are converting to Islam and becoming "radicalized", then it can no longer be blamed on racism, lack of opportunity for immigrants, poverty, lack of education, etc.
I thought this interview was interesting. David Thompson interviewed "the Muslim novelist and exile" Tahir Aslam Gora for 3AM:Magazine.
You can read it on David Thompson's website and thereby avoid the 3AM website's front page, which contains some language and subject matter that I personally find objectionable (and that has nothing to do with Islam or jihad).
http://www.davidthompson.typepad.com/
"A Fear of Ideas"
"On Islam, freedom and denial."
I really wonder what kind of loser converts to, and embraces, Islam.
Posted by: johnb
I hate to say it myself.. The same kind of loser that joined the Nazi Party in the 30s.
Where are Korean missionaries? we need them in europe.
Where are Korean missionaries? we need them in europe.
I'm more afraid that the bureaucratic idiots that run the western governments misunderstand Islam far more then the terrorist “misunderstand” Islam.
I'm more afraid that the bureaucratic idiots that run the western governments misunderstand Islam far more then the terrorist “misunderstand” Islam.
"German authorities worrying about converts to Islam misunderstanding their new religion"
They can't be too worried if they're still allowing Muslims to immigrate to Germany from all over the Islamic world.
What's the difference between a convert or life-long Muslim blowing you up? In either case, you're dead.
Ameriki:
That video is AWESOME!!! I will be very interested to see if that demonstration on 9/11 actually goes down...would be a huge boost to defenders of Europe (of which I am sure there are silent millions) to see one another out on the streets. They know they just dodged two big bullets in just the last week, and hopefully they are beginning to wake up. We need demos in the US as well...perhaps the proposed demo against the "Islamic Pride" parade in NYC.
Nice thing about that YouTube video? There were more than 5,000 viewings already...
The germans will have to say goodbye to pork sausages and the ocktoberfest now.
I really wonder what kind of loser converts to, and embraces, Islam?
Allahfunculo:
I hate to say it myself.. The same kind of loser that joined the Nazi Party in the 30s.
And the same type of loser that joins the neo-Nazis today, or becomes one of the autonomen, or an anarchist protestor, or any of the other extremist political and social groups. You know the type - the inadequates with a grudge against life, looking for someone to blame for their own shortcomings. Islam, with its built-in sense of grievance and victimhood, is perfect for them.
Yep. Matamoros you go it! I've seen WAY too many of these selfrighteous fools.. complete with "Free Mumia" and Edward Said books in their shelf.
Methinks the Germans are beginning to understand all to well......
Posted by: ooddballz
We understand quite well indeed.. some of us have been understanding since the 70s.. I've been understanduing ever since I first heard the utterances of one Assahola Kakamamie on TV while he was being housed in comfy exile in Paris.. all courtesy of zee French taxpayeurs..
I could never understand WHY he wasn't handed over the the Shah or at least he could have had "un tout petit accident"...
He was on Gewrman TV and I am sure he was on French TV and so on telling the reporters how "evil" the West is and basically sounding an awful lot like bin Laden the Elder.. and the media just ATE it all up!
Noone seemed to think that this monster has no business living in Paris at the expense of people whom he viewed as "infidels" who should either be captured [subdued] or killed.
I didn't get it when the USA supported OBL agains the Russians in Afghanistan and I still don't understand why NATO is supporting the Albanian moslems at the expense of the Serbs.
And why SHOULD Russia now decide to help us in the phony "war on terror" when we are aiding terrorists in Bosnia and in Kosovo? When we aided terrorists in Afghanistan? Which did cost more than a few Russian lives I might add.
Should we not know that NOW it is ENOUGH??!
Let us STOP dividing up Serbia and antagonizing the Russians over Bill Clinton's Balkan Follies! Let us start making deals with Russia so we have a free hand [and maybe even covert assistance] regarding Iran!
I am one German who has watched islam worm its way into Europe since I've been growing up. I have seen islam worm its way into other countries as well and I never understood the complacency!!
I've been called a racist - sometimes a Nazi too - simply for trying to point out these things to people.
The Euro-softies have indeed delivered the perfect weapon to the islamofascists by giving them the idea of casting themselves in the mantle of their intended victims - the Jews.
It cannot get more perverse than that!
More then just German "converts" to worry about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46382-2005Jan29.html
This guy Robin Sheperd is good.. I came across his writings and ideas over at Politicallyincorrect.de.
PI is like that little flag in the wind.. warning and warning about islam and to STOP going after the wrong people [Israel, USA] and to begin to RESIST the islamification we all are facing!!
Allahfanculo:
Interesting...interesting. I had not seen it quite like that from a European/German perspective. Whatever arguments we have as Germans/Brits/Americans etc. pale in comparison to this threat of Islamic cancer moving into our societies. We all share a treasure of human art, culture, and civilization that stretches back to the Renaissance. Let's sack up and move to protect and preserve that treasure for the world.
JohnAdams.. THAT is where I and what few antijihadists I've been able to scare up in Germany are coming from!
We can always fight over football matches and the like.. :-)
But let's MAKE DAMN SURE that we are on the SAME SIDE when it comes to Pisslam!!!
By the way.. I LOVE that English phrase: "BACK TO THE BOGS!!!"
I know a few mosks in London where these words ought to be shouted!
See also "Undercover mosks" from TV4.
If they (the Germans) can ban Scientology, then the can ban Islam. The latter is ultimately much more dangerous.
Posted by: alexon
You calling my Germans a bunch of chickens..?? hell.. I can't say you are TOO FAR OFF THE MARK!!
In fact I'd have to say that you are SPOT-ON!!
Shame on those...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZvMpZwOrM
The germans will have to say goodbye to pork sausages and the ocktoberfest now.
Posted by: callmeinfidel
I'm a German and I'm having mine in Philly!
Yes, Islam is surprising, perplexing and confusing (..er..very sorry for the blasphemy).
It suppresses, but is against suppression. It oppresses, but is against oppression. It enslaves, but is against slavery. It stifles thinking, but is all for freedom. The prophet was a very good man, but only that he was just a killer, rapist, paedophile, adulterer.. and the list goes on...
Lo behold, that is why people walk to Islam in droves.
I think it is better for me to suffer from
kafiromania.
The secret to knowing if they are mis-uderstanding Islam or not is to ask "why do the "misunderstanders" always misunderstand Islam in exactly the same way for the same reason?" Answer , they dont misunderstand Islam at all.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 6, 2007 3:42 p.m.
Well put, K. When I read that, this song lyric (about those sympathetic to Islam) came to mind : "If you'll admit that you were wrong then we' ll admit that we're right" (Sloan)
Correction to above: the song not about Islamic sympathizers, but their attitude made me remember this clever little line.
More information on the native German terrorist including their pictures can be found here:
http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-faces-of-jihad.html
You've got to be a brain dead asshole to want to convert to Islam from ANY other religion. It probably is easy to convince the newly converted to do the stupid bombings and killings they seem to love doing. This religion also trains their very young to hate and grow up to be killers. Germany needs to stand up to Islam and deny them more converts. Education may help some, denying entry visas to people coming from Muslim countries would help too.
Good luck, people.
How tough is it to (mis)understand "strike at their necks"?
Daniel Pearl would explain it.
But he can't.
He doesn't speak German.
Or anything else, lately.
Seconded, j-not-a and kaosktrl:
The new converts to Islam always 'misunderstand' it in the same way. Which suggests the obvious - they are not misunderstanding it at all.
New converts are always the most zealous and 'by the book' (as are those people who move from a 'nominal' practice to a more fervent practice of their inherited faith).
So the conduct of new converts to Islam, and of those previously slack Muslims who have 'got religion', conduct which features in many stories in the jihadwatch archives, is...ominous.
Compare it with the conduct, say, of new converts to Christianity.
In 'Run Nicky Run' and 'Cross and the Switchblade', which relate how a country preacher ventured into the gang turf of downtown NY in the 1950s/ 1960s to preach to the gangs, one may observe the actions of those whom he did, indeed, succeed in converting to an active and conscious Christian faith.
Almost their first move was to divest themselves of their illegal weapons. Indeed, one such group of converts marched down to the local cop shop and formally handed in their arsenal - zip guns, switchblades, knuckledusters, a huge pile of it heaped up on the desk of the bemused NYPD officer they had demanded to see. (These converts did not become total pacifists - some then chose to break with the ghetto and the gangs and channel their energies in a lawful and useful fashion, by joining the US army, though others simply joined the workforce).
In short: ghetto gang warrior becomes Christian, disarms. Similar stories recur through the whole history of Christianity.
Whereas in this story from Germany about Fritz the jihadist, people not previously known to be violent become zealous new followers of Islam, and at once rush off to get their hands on stuff that goes BOOM and kills people in large numbers.
Funny, that.