You can say that again. At last the truth about the Council on American Islamic Relations is coming out. "CAIR Revealed," from Investor's Business Daily (thanks to DFS):
Trail Of Terror: We've wondered why the Council on American-Islamic Relations director has spurned Senate invitations to answer terror charges. Now we know.For the first time, evidence in a major federal terror case puts CAIR's current executive director — Nihad Awad — at a Philadelphia meeting of alleged Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI.
After the Associated Press last week reported the bombshell, CAIR denied claims of ties to Hamas. "That's one of those urban legends about CAIR," said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR's chairman. "It's fed by the right-wing, pro-Israeli blogosphere."
In fact, the evidence was revealed by an FBI agent who testified at the terror-financing trial under way in Dallas.
Her name is Lara Burns, and she's the lead investigator in the case against operators of the Holy Land Foundation, the largest Muslim charity in America. CAIR, which she says received startup funding from HLF, is named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case, according to court exhibits.
President Bush froze HLF's funds after 9/11. It's now accused of being a Hamas front, and its leaders — including one of CAIR's founding directors — are on trial for allegedly funneling more than $12 million to aid Palestinian suicide-bombing operations.
Burns placed both Awad and his ethnic-Palestinian pal Omar Ahmed, who founded CAIR with Awad, at a Philly meeting last decade where she says Hamas leaders and supporters hatched a plot to disguise funds for Hamas suicide operations as charity for HLF.
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CAIR claims to be the voice of American Muslims. If so, it's been an especially loud one. But it has lost its credibility to speak honestly for any legitimate cause.
I have to disagree.....
In my view CAIR does speak honestly for Islam.
It's actions and opinions fit perfectly with the Islamic woldview.
One very telling thing about how the Islamic mind of violence and revenge works is that the first thing they think of when moslems do some evil is about making a noise because they are scared of a "violent backlash" against moslems.
Why would they think that? Oh yes, because the first think they think of doing when something they don't like happens is responding with violence.... (and violence justifiable with Allah)
Their projection on to the rest of mankind is fascinating....
"We would respond with violence so lets assume others would too," thinks the CAIR mind.
First: Al-Arian
Second: HLF
Third: CAIR
Fourth:????
Fifth:????
Sixth:????
Who's next?
What group will be exposed for embracing the tenents of Jihadism?
What shall be exposed in about the "Religion of Peace"tm?
Oh, the "mystery" and scandal build.
Re: IBD: CAIR "has lost its credibility to speak honestly for any legitimate cause"
Hey Robert, when you said that you were subjected to a CAIR propaganda campaign of lies, slander and accusations of "Islamophobia".-LOL.... Eventually JW is going to be seen as right on the entire issue of Islam. Stay tuned.
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Here's a trailer of a film in which JW tries to undo the possession of a victim of Fibrahim "Farfur Style Propaganda" Hooper and CAIR. Watch the PC guy get decked. Hugh shows up at the close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGdbbVcKJlc
CAIR "Farfur-style-propaganda":
Hitler (from Mein Kampf) on the methods he learned in Vienna on how to silence critics: "I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous (JW, e.g.), until the nerves of the attacked persons break down (JW, e.g.) and, just to have peace again, they (the PC in media and govt) sacrifice the hated individual(s) (JW and others).
However, the fools obtain no peace.
The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive (PC) paralysis.........Conversely, they praise every (PC) weakling (Karl "Zachary Smith professor Ernst", e.g.)on the opposing side (who appease them), sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence".
In regard to the "spiritual terror" tactics of Hitler (noted above), William Shirer (page 23, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) said: "No more precise analysis of Nazi tactics, as Hitler was eventually to develop them, was ever written".
If you want to see how effective CAIR tactics are, read this. The "Islamophobe" slur is even being used by so called Christians to silence critism of Islam
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wIlk.tQ0eqG4VXAuRj90gAgju_THEgjPrcnUj9uy?p=593&n=28500
CAIR may have lost its credibility to represent any legitimate cause, but the fact is, it represents a huge swath of Muslim opinion in America. The content of CAIR's message may not be "legitimate", but it is representative, and therefore should not be dismissed.
Let's not make our usual mistake of dismissing extremists as marginal, when in fact that are mainstream in Muslim culture.
LOL, Frank, thanks for giving me a laugh with "The Exorcist" trailer! Love your comparisons!
Reading this article about CAIR and Nihad Awad this morning made me feel warm and fuzzy all over! Yahoo!
jewdog-
You nailed it. CAIR is "mainstream" because there are no loud protests against them by Muslims in the US. Imagine if some Jewish group, Christian, Hindu, etc. pulled flying Imam stunts, proved to be liars like CAIR and Fibrihim Hooper, tried to protect people who had explosives, who had a known terrorist past...there would be loud demonstrations by very embarrassed communities. CAIR is "mainstream". You are right.
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Darcy-
Glad you enjoyed it. I'll bet I'd like you to enjoy other things if I saw you. But I'm a good Irish Catholic boy-sometimes...
A bit OT -
I came across this "Swiss Deportation Policy" article.
The last paragraph concerns the "banning of minaret towers next to mosques." The Swiss are very serious. From Geneva:
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/swiss-deportation-policy-draws-criticism/n20070901081809990005
Its a good start Darcy
This Anti-CAIR website does a good job of looking at the 13 year history of CAIR.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Fibrahim Farfur must be having nightmares. All they have been building is crumbling down. Oh, and the Saudi sheiks must be thinking "Man, we wasted all our money on THAT?"
When will we have such exposé here in Europe? I guess it's a bit harder since the Euro-dhimmis are totally under the spell of Islamo-nazis.
"Euro-dhimmis" and "Islamo-nazis."
I'd say you have the two groups pegged, Crusader.
Given all that was known for so long about the terrorist organization CAIR, how does this happen?
Then again, we lose Billion$ of dollars in Iraq without explanation; give away billion$ of dollars in weapons to the Palistinians knowing full well they will be used to shoot US sooner or later; and there are countless more examples.
So all this raises a few questions in my mind and you all know exactly what those questions are because YOU are no doubt thinking similiar thoughts about these particular issues.
"Fibrahim Farfur must be having nightmares".-Crusader
That's what happens when you fool people. Once trust is gone there is no capacity for any human response. They are distrusted and feared by non-Muslims. That is the result of Muslim dogma. (CAIR is truly a "victim" of inhuman Muslim dogma".
People do not run away from anything until they have something to run to-an alternative to go to. If there are ever real alternatives in Muslim dominated countries the people in those countries will run to other religions. They stay put now because there are no alternatives and it's dangerous to run to the few alternatives available to them. Very dangerous. (Even a Zachary Smith professor (Ernst) knows that. Don't you, Mr. Karl Ernst?)
Hamas leaders and supporters hatched a plot to disguise funds for Hamas suicide operations as charity for HLF.
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This is good work, but it misses a crucial point. This is a point I missed, also, for a long time. For Westerners, these concepts--charitable relief and terrorist funding--are quite separate, even antiethical. Westerners tend to think of charitable groups as benign, indeed praiseworthy.
In Islam, using charity (zakat) to fund Jihad is *not* a missuse--it is a legitimate, even major, use. Of course, this is not something most want to admit to Westerners.
This does not, of course, meant that every Islamic charity is funding terrorism. But it is mere projection for us to think that many Muslims would consider this a perversion. For many, funding hospitals, paying the destitute families of suicide "martyrs", and purchasing qassam missles to lob at Israel are all of a piece.
I’m kind of a cynical about things like this. I think the eventual outcome will be that self-appointed bureaucrats in our government will stop playing footsie with CAIR. I do believe that CAIR represents a mainstream of Muslims. CAIR cannot be trusted therefore mainstream Muslims cannot be trusted.
American muslims are guilty by association with CAIR, let them eat pork, BBQed by the 9-11 fires they started.
I do also believe that CAIR is made up of thugs. These thugs don’t care if they’ve lost credibility just as long as they have money to sue within our legal system, they are dangerous thugs. I shortly expect to see a whole network of legal agencies lining up to fight them in court.
Ibraham Hooper (you would have to make up a name like that) is atypical thug. He even looks the part. This is one of the reasons we hold him is such low esteem. He is a perfect foil for the CAIR organization because he doesn’t work on reason. He works on emotion and it shows. I have seen him in several interview type situations. He acts thuggish and such however the interview idiots keep inviting him back.
Memo to the IBD: "Thanks for joining us in the world of the sane and logical. Better very late than never, I suppose."
Anybody going to see Robert at DePaul in October for the DePaul University appearance??
Is an appearance at UIC on the agenda??
Looks like a thread to link to my favorite anti-CAIR video with 100,000+ views and a whine from CAIR in a press release about it to boot.
The anti-CAIR video link
(be patient it really kicks with the music about 1:30)
The CAIR whine
New to the site. Just testing
2 observations:
Until CAIR becomes an indicted & convicted co-conspirator, i.e., until it is actually put out of business, the MSM will continue to turn to CAIR to represent the "islamic" viewpoint, thereby lending the organization invaluable legitimacy in the public's eyes. We are far from the end of CAIR, though perhaps we are seeing the beginnings of the end of it.
When the federal, state & local agencies eventually sever all ties to CAIR, will they at last begin to see CAIR's every interaction with government agencies for what it really is: an attempt to deceive, thwart, obstruct, confuse the agency in fighting radical islam, and merely one of many strategies employed by islam against the infidel? I have my doubts.
Investors Business Daily - that's a capitalist newspaper. Believe what you will.
Cair IS the voice of American moslems. End of discussion.
Just saw the youtube of the CAIR apologist (Esmery ?) for the two engineering students with explosives.
Hot damn, but wasn't Frank dead on - playing the victim, claiming to be trying to address civil rights, promoting an innocent view of events and at the same time mouthing respect for the law.
This Saudi funded org should be declared evil.
For a koranic muslim to be arguing for civil rights in America is an obscenity. He is at best a hypocrite, and at worst a deceiving snake.
CAIR has lost its credibility to speak honestly for any legitimate cause.
This should be repeated everywhere and often.
Since Nihad Awad went public this year and praised Maher Arar for Suing Canada for what Syria allegedly did to Arar, lets see how fast Arar's team of CAIR Lawyers drop their Lawsuits against the USA for denying him entry at JFK when
he deplaned by himself from Tunisia where his family now lived after fleeing Canada .
Arar insisted he had no ties to Hamas , even after his wife attended a Hamas rally in canada to show support for suicide bombers , the NDP's Alexa McDonnough was there too .
Remember too, they're covered by the "taqqiya" principle. Speaking "honestly" with an infidel has rather elastic interpretations.
The authorities will arrest everyone but Hooper who will then be CAIR's new director. A one man gang for Islam. I wish him luck on his new job. He will need luck, Allah won't help him....
"In my view CAIR does speak honestly for Islam.
It's actions and opinions fit perfectly with the Islamic woldview."
Posted by: exposesithlords..
....yep....we knooooooow......
Ban Muslim Immigration....
Who elected CAIR to be the spokesmen for muslims anyway??Hmmm, anyone have the answer??