Rice and Olmert indulge in more fantasy-based policymaking. "Rice Wants Syria, Other Arab States, at Mideast Talks (Update1)," by Janine Zacharia for Bloomberg (thanks to Steve):
Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called on Syria and Saudi Arabia to join an international meeting later this year in Washington that will work toward establishing a Palestinian state.Rice outlined U.S. expectations for a Middle East meeting at talks today in New York with representatives of the so-called Quartet, the peacemaking body formed by the U.S., the United Nations, European Union and Russia.
``There's a sense of momentum in support of the Palestinians and Israelis in their effort to end the conflict,'' Rice said. ``Given that it has been a number of years since the Israelis and Palestinians have expressed their interest in discussing the core issues between them, it is very important that the regional players of the international community mobilize to support them.''
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Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's Cabinet today approved the release of about 90 Palestinians from Israeli jails in a gesture of goodwill during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
......Syria and Saudi Arabia do have plenty of land they could donate to the Palestinians to establish a separate Palestinian state.....
This refusal to accept reality and operate in the real world is just getting more and more bizarre all the time.
There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to back up Rice's assertion that the Arab world or the Palestinians are ready to really compromise and make peace with Israel. In fact, the opposite is true.
Furthermore, with the fall of Gaza, it should be clear to everyone that even if PLO chief Abbas really wanted true peace, he is unable to implement it.
And Olmert's release of terrorists... it's just hard to even comment on this guy any longer. He is clearly in need of psychiatric assistance.
Good point, exsgtbrown.
I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that what Jordan really needs is a population influx to bring to life its huge empty areas.
When will the Palis show some goodwill
Condi has to justify her paycheque by looking busy, I guess.
....the trouble with the Palestinians is that no other Muslim country wants to take them in.....they know trouble when they see it...
Exsgtbrown,
That is very true. Its ironic that their fellow Arabs treat them much worse than the Israelis ever have.
It is frightening to think that Olmert continues to reign in Israel, despite his obvious failure to understand -- to begin to understand -- the reasons why any negotiations with Arab Muslims over the fate of Israel (for that is what negotiating a "two-state solution" is -- a negotiation over the amount of increase in Israel's vulnerability to Muslim conquest, through a ratcheting up of all the means by which pressure -- economic, diplomatic, demographic -- can be applied.
The Arabs become more, not less of a threat, should they remain on the West Bank on land that -- through the constant concessions made by Olmert and his many predecessors, would no longer controlled by Israel's army together with the brave civilians (those so-called "settlers" who have every right, not least under the terms of the Mandate for Palestine itself, to be there, and to multiply) whose presence is legally, historically, and morally justified. In June 1967 Israel should have promptly annexed the "West Bank" and it should have explained, should have been explaining all along, since 1948, that Arab opposition to Israel is merely a Lesser Jihad, and is not to be assuaged in the slightest by any territorial or other concessions made by the Infidel state.
The Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira do not lead to the proposition that "if Infidels yield in part, you can leave them alone" or "A two-state solution is just the ticket, and the Infidel state of Israel can then be permitted to exist."
No. The world belongs to Allah and to his people. It is Islam that must dominate everywhere. Every dunam of Israel belongs to Dar al-Islam, just as Spain and Sicily and Greece, and Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Hungary, much of Russia, and so many other places, do. And history continues deliberately to be concocted by Muslims ("Muslims discovered and settled America" or "Muslims were in Australia centuries ago" or --fill in whatever similar nonsense you have heard right here) so as to establish a Muslim connection, backdated by centuries or millennia (yes, there were Muslims you see, before there was an Islam -- for everyone is born a Muslim, and Islam itself is uncreated, has always existed, but was merely "revealed" in its whole to Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets).
For its entire existence Israel has had a Lesser Jihad waged against it. It has been waged through military warfare, conventionally understood. It has been waged through what non-Muslims have little difficulty as recognizing as "terrorism" directed at civilians, but that many Muslims think is just fine, for in their view all Israelis, including babies in the womb that might grow up to be Israeli soldiers,are legitimate targets. It has been waged through economic warfare, such as economic boycotts, including boycotting Western companies that dare to buy or sell with Israel, and attempts to deny Israel use of the Red Sea and the Suez Canal for its trade. It has included diplomatic warfare, including the bribes used so successfully after the Six-Day War to get sub-Saharan countries to break relations with Israel, which until then had conducted the most appropriate and successful of all aid efforts in black Africa. It has been waged in the incessant propaganda that is fed the world's media, and that has also been aided by the money used to buy up or reward Western hirelings capable of joining in the effort to blacken the image of Israel, a propaganda effort that naturally makes good use of those who suffer from the pre-existing mental pathology that we call antisemitism, and that at a minimum has been said to affect ten percent of the Western population, and in some places, considerably more. All of these things go on, and yet there are Israelis, including that accidental president, the deplorable Olmert (who deserves no credit, none, for the attack two weeks ago on that installation in Syria -- that was a decision made by the military that Olmert could not have opposed), who think that they can continue to refrain from studying Islam, from learning about Islam, from finding out what it is that Islam inculcates.
This farce can't continue. It is the duty of all those in the Israeli ruling elites to find out about Islam, however unpleasant that task may be, however much damage it does to their dreams and schemes (see the Fool of Chelm, Shimon Peres, for a good example), and however impossible it makes such desperate efforts as this Rice-backed "Quartet" and that November meeting which can only have the effect, as all such meetings have had the effect, in those Joint Statements or Communiques, of having the Israeli side yet again parrot, and appear to believe deeply in, those phrases about "the Palestinian people" and, of course, some "peace process" that completely ignores -- that indeed has to ignore -- the nature of Islam, and the way that Muslims are taught to regard, and to treat, all treaties made between Muslims and Infidels. To find this out, you need only go to Majid Khadduri's "The Law of War and Peace in Islam." No doubt, among the hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on the Middle East each year, and with all the attention given over so many years to that hectic vacancy of shuttle diplomacy (the Rogers Plan, the Kissinger Plan, the Senor-Fulano-de-Tal Plan) and those officious rosses and indyks and haasses, each having devoted his entire professional life to a chimera, the chimera of a "permanent peace" between "Arabs and Israelis" on the basis of negotiations, and a "
peace process," and then that appetizing, photo-op thing, the treaty and the smiles and the handshakes that mean, in the eyes of Islam, absolutely nothing.
So my question is this: Has Condoleezza Rice, has George Bush, has Ehud Olmert, has Tzipi Livni, have the self-assured columnists in The Times (the execrable Friedman, for example) or The Bandar Beacon, or Ha'aretz, have any of them bothered to study Muslim doctrine on treaties with Infidels, as clearly set out in a book that can be obtained, with a click on-line, and the payment of, possibly, thirty or forty dollars?
Any of them?
No?
Why not?
This is the caption from The Religion of Peace's weekly photograph:
"This year Islam and Judaism's holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days. Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10 countries during this time... while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize."
I just felt like this must be shared.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
From above:
"Condi has to justify her paycheque by looking busy, I guess."
Milton Friedman:
"Don't just do something, stand there!"
He's starting to look better and better...
"In wake of thwarted Yom Kippur attack, Olmert approves release of 90 Palestinians as goodwill gesture for Ramadan""
....are the Palestinians running short of terrorists?.....
"Denial can also apply to internal thoughts and feelings. For instance, some children are taught that anger is wrong in any situation. As adults, if these individuals experience feelings of anger, they are likely to deny their feelings to others. Cultural standards and expectations can encourage denial of subjective experience.
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Denial is treated differently in different types of therapy. In psychoanalytic therapy, denial is regarded as an obstacle to progress that must eventually be confronted and interpreted. Timing is important, however. Psychoanalytic therapists wait until clients appear emotionally ready or have some degree of insight into their problems before confronting them."
http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/Denial.html
Insight coming in the form of Asian nations cutting up the credit card.
Hugh said
Exactly. Co-existence with or tolerance for unbelievers has never been acceptable to Islam. From the Qur'an, one of my favorite quotations:
Qur'an 7:97 "Did the people of the towns feel secure against the coming of Our wrath by night while they were asleep? Or else did they feel secure against its coming in broad daylight while they played about (carefree)? Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!"
Sleeping at home in your own bed is an offense against Allah, punishable by death. And there is:
Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.”
Allah says that living in peace with unbelievers is simply not an option. If the unbelievers offer peace, they must be seized and killed.
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
But Allah can't do the smiting himself, nor the above-mentioned angels. Somehow, Allah relies on mere mortals to do his smiting. And again, the crime is being an "unbeliever"; simply disputing the existence of Allah is a death sentence. And,
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Even trying to get away from the true believers is not enough to call off their murderous rampage.
There is no escape. There is no negotiation.
Why can't Olmert and other "leaders" face that fact, and begin to deal with it?
Countdown to Bibi.. How much longer?
"I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that what Jordan really needs is a population influx to bring to life its huge empty areas."
You're a little mixed up. Jews make the desert bloom. Arabs turn even 'state of the art' greenhouses handed to them in full operation into terrorists camps.
Hey its ramadan. This is great timing. It makes things a bit safer since these prisoners were all pious moslems.
Pious moslems only blow up shit after sundown.
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Most Jews, even those now in Israel, have for 1,400 years been Dhimmis, second class citizens who aren't allowed to read, learn about or debate the doctrine of Islam. Dr. Andrew Bostom has been beating his lonely drum for years now and, sadly, few of his brethern will listen.
In our city, the rabbis have been educated by pros but still participate in dawah sessions, build habitat for humanity houses with Muslims and go to the mosque for open houses, do anything but confront their worst enemies for FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS. Does multiculturalism and political correctness trump the Torah and the commandment 'Thou shalt have no other G_d before me'?
Please Israel, open your eyes that you might see!
Just for fun.. One of Sunni Islam's most prestigious institutions is to discipline a cleric after he issued a decree allowing women to breastfeed their male colleagues...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm
...so they can work around each other free of veils..
It's sick over there and getting sicker.
And for those who didn't have the time to check out LGF today:
Hitlery kills negative GQ about infighting in her campaign.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5992.html
Just the right story for Ramadan..
SALAMi RAMADANi
Speaking of Ramadan.. the Cologne Symphony Orchestra in Germany is achieving new Lows:
http://www.koelner-philharmonie.de/de/03_news/03_01_news_highlights.php?number=979&newsstyle=highlights
Here's the babelfish translation of the vital content below: [with a quick little help from yours truly]
13. October 2007
Salam Ramadan - a celebration of the sounds and senses
On 13 October about a billion Muslims become world-wide the final of the Ramadan, which celebrate fast breaking. To this cause Europe and the Cologne Philharmonic Concert Hall a special opportunity offer radio house to dive into the joy of the festival of Ramadan. On 13 and 14 October into and around the Cologne Philharmonic Concert Halls.
And if you haven't been sickened enough yet.. it gets worse:
13. October 2007
Salam Ramadan - a celebration of the sounds and senses
The custom, from daybreak to the sunset too chamfered, may be strange for other religions, but its sense is not it: Modesty practice, the value of the food experienced and the mercy of the God, which provides for it. In addition, Ramadan means: To experience after one month of the renouncement again the abundance of the life in the community. In addition the Muslims celebrate a three-day-long celebration of the chamfering breaking, while that families visit themselves, which practice different generations unity, enemies reconcile themselves. In short: It is an emphaic celebration of the peace.
[YEAH RIGHT]
Sugar celebration approximately around the Philharmonic Concert Halls
Punctually to the end of the fasting month we celebrate a celebration for all senses into and around the Cologne Philharmonic Concert Halls: Before the gates of the concert hall a glittering eastern bazaar, on many levels the Warmth for two days, develops for that which spreads omit-omitting its and the solidarity of the Ramadan atmosphere. From different tents the smell will penetrate from water whistles the program from 13 September - 18 October 2007 and tea, in addition there are readings, filigrane scales contributes an Iraqi Maqam duo. Turkey is directly doubly represented, with a shade theatre and a whole wedding orchestra. And the exile Egyptians and Berliner-by-choice [PUKE.. as if WE chose him] Mahmoud Fadl liked in of Germany world music scene into Cologne air will send nubian sounds.
Sound facets from the Islamic culture area
Parallel to it a filming row runs about the Islamic world and its music in the film forum. In the Philharmonic Concert Hall inspire us three sound facets with star from completely different Gefilden of the Islamic culture area: Admits as a Perkussions genious from different formations is Burhan Oeçal. It brings its new project to Cologne, for which it with the Roma musicians of the Trakya universe of star returned to the place of its childhood: The westTurkish Kirklareli is a junction of Greek, Albanian, Bosnian and Turkish sounds: Fiery 9/8-Rhythmen brews the universe of star, intonieren up and bride songs with clarinets, schalmeien, trumpets and saxophones. Oeçals whirling drums and the electronic Beats of its Tunisian guest Smadj supply the scratched open foundation for this exciting synthesis.
With Mohamed Mounir comes a just as schillernde personality to the Ramadanfest: The Nubier is canvas hero, poet and musician, from which point of the Arab Charts admits exactly the same as as Protagonist from monumental motion picture films such as Youssef Chahines "Schicksal". Mounir will play a completely special program, in which Sufi poetry unites with nubian tradition - on purely acoustic basis. From western the end of the Islamic world we finally receive attendance of Rokia Traoré: The Malierin, which grew up as a diplomat daughter in Belgium, likewise enriched the Sahel music with acoustic means by a new language: In their fragilen Balladen and life-glad dance numbers it dares new compositions of Balafon and sounds and gives socialcritical, in addition, mirror-image-ritual comments to the African and "afro-European" everyday life. The concerts (Saturday evening of 20 o'clock to approx.. 1 o'clock and on Sunday morning starting from 11.05 o'clock) live from radio house Europe are transferred and moderated of Anna Bianca ruffle.
....the trouble with the Palestinians is that no other Muslim country wants to take them in.....they know trouble when they see it...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
I know they're a PAIN in the ass to us Westerners.. as are the rest of their umma brethren.
The reason they don't take them is a bit deeper than that though.
First of all the pals are a convenient pressure tactic against the Israelis. To have the rest of the world see them "suffer" means both being able to shift anger and blame upon the "Joooz" while at the same time diverting any responsablity away from the "umma" to seas the plight of their brethren.
Second.. why make the pals do menial labor in places like SOWdi Barbaria and the various fiefdoms in the gulf?
After all, aren't ALL moslems *entitled* to live off the work of others? Even teh pals are moslems after all and as such the SOWdis and the other Barbarians just would not feel comfortable treating fellow mooosleeems the way they treat their Christian and Buddhist and Hindu help.
Wouldn't look good in the eyes of their moon-rock god named alla.
This is the way i see the dynamic which is at work here. I am quite willing to entertain constructive arguments leading to other conclusions.
A general comment. Have you mentioned The Center for the Study of Political Islam (Washington, DC) or CSPI? Their monographs (perhaps up to a dozen by now) on Islam are really superb for serious students. I would appreciate your view of their work.