Enough is enough, for the sake of Sderot and other areas afflicted with Qassam rocket attacks. From the Associated Press:
JERUSALEM - Israel's Security Cabinet declared the Gaza Strip an "enemy entity" Wednesday, Israeli radio stations reported.
The decision would let Israel cut off vital electricity, water and fuel supplies to the Palestinian territory, which the Islamic militant Hamas group took over in June.
The action would be the most severe of the retaliatory measures Israel has taken recently against near-daily rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel. Israel hopes to force Hamas to stop the projectile attacks because Israeli airstrikes and land incursions against the rocket launchers have not been effective.
I guess Olmert's 2 percent approval rating is getting to him.
"Israel hopes to force Hamas to stop the projectile attacks because Israeli airstrikes and land incursions against the rocket launchers have not been effective."
....Unlike Muslims , the Israelis have tried to avoid "civilian Casualties".....(ineffective in part, due to Muslims firing rockets in close proximity to 'civilians')......
....if the Israelis had as little concern for "civilians" as does Hamas and other Muslims...you would see very effective airstrikes....and very deadly.....
....the time when the gloves come off is fast approching....
Good. It's about time.
What took them so long?
About time! Hamas wants to "eliminate" Israel, and Israel continues to supply water and power to Hamas. What's wrong with this picture? Let the citizens of Gaza really find out what they've voted for! Let Hamas spend money on generators, not guns, for a change.
Gaza is now an "enemy entity"? When is any state or quasi-state or group consisting of those who, by ideology, believe it their right and solemn duty to destroy you, to be defined as other than an "enemy entity"?
This not much of a revelation, but moreso, a re-affirmation of the obvious.
"When is any state or quasi-state or group consisting of those who, by ideology, believe it their right and solemn duty to destroy you, to be defined as other than an "enemy entity"?"
When you are a dhimmi?
It seems there’s a difference between the Israeli definition of "innocent" as opposed to the Hamas definition of "innocent".
The Israelis, by all appearances, view the non-combatants in the Gaza as "innocent" insofar as they are not the ones launching the rockets or directly involved in supporting the attacks. Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah and all the rest appear to believe that if it's in the "occupied territories" it's not innocent.
Still unclear? Let Abu Izzadeen make it plain and obvious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU6OPcj5qT0. His definition of "innocent" comes at around 3:50 into his rant.
Why Israel is supplying electricity, water etc to the Hamas goons, who BTW were elected by the Gazans, beats me. Electricity is what is used to drive the workshop tools to make rockets etc. In WWII we were bombing energy generation units, not supplying the Nazis with electricity.
"Following the decision, a UN official called the move problematic, telling Army Radio that since Gaza was still under Israeli occupation and Israel controlled all crossings in and out of the area, collective punishment of all Gaza residents would constitute a violation of international law."
Ehud Barak is against the move of water cuts...Olmert is said to oppose both. The decision by the israeli cabinet simply allows them to be able to take such measures against Gaza, it didn't say they would, and I would bet that they won't, especially with the US breathing their anti semitic flame on behalf of the terrorist people Palestinian Arabs.
As from the quote above, the Israelis are still viewed as occupiers, so what exactly was the purpose of the Gaza pull out? To win the hearts and minds of the world? Sderot and Ashkelon have been paying for the late term insanity Sharon suffered from, followed by the zeal of the leftish champion Olmert, who will wage war on the Israeli settlers with zeal as the Palestinian Arabs wage their war on Israel proper.
So, let's see: The Palis are completely dependant on Israel for their economy and, ummm, water and electricity and food. So, in their blind love of all living beings, they bomb Israel and then complain when the Israelis are not happy about it? Is that the situation?
Correction, UN breathing their anti semitic fire at the Israelis, not the US.
With all the billions in "aid" money given to the "Palestinians" over the decades, one would have thought they would have built their own power plants or something. Oh, that would be doing something positive with the "aid" money from Western Governments. Maybe Suha Arafat can cough up a few million to help the Gaza "Palestinians."
Seymour, that is the situation.
What a fine idea to pull out of Gaza. IDF having to frequently go back there, Sderot and Ashkelon turning to ghost towns, Hamas being reformed into a little Hamas, Egyptian troops guarding Rafah crossing, settlers displaced from their homes in Gush Katif, the contested land argument was given up, and the Palestinians formed an international terror state.
Fine idea !
So then, the net of the whole let's-relinquish-Gaza-to-the-Moslems idea was to have created an enemy entity on Israel's doorstep.
Who'd a thunk it.
Correction (my brain is still sleeping)....Hamas has turned into a little Hezbullah !
Assalamau Laikum all,
After taking away (and keeping) the Philistinas land, it is natural that Israel would want to keep them on the "backfoot", therefore it is not so surprising that this is but one of a number of tactics used by the jew to keep the boot down on the Philistina neck.
Obviously it is not not right to fire rockets as innocent jews ....but equally Israel (being the dominant partner) in this assymetric relationship has made feeble attempts at resolving the said issues.
At any rate by cutting off electricity to the peoples of Gaza, Israel is punishing innocents mainly. Israel could not design a better strategy to alienate the locals against them....and keeping Hamas supporters lean and keen (as well as mean).
The Amerike should know that muslims are used to not having much (with the exception of a few sheiks).....and therefore having less of "not much" anyway is the difference between "19 and 20".
This is in stark contrast to the needs of the Amerike. Only now we are hearing that so many of the Amerike are going to lose their homes due to overspending and ease of borrowing, or they are going into a recession and that in desperation a significant cut in interest rates is immenent.
The average Amerike, far from being a dominant, confident homo sapien has his hands tied. He thus no longer has many childrens or sends them to University. He works for corporates who are simply grateful to the Saud in many instances to keep them afloat. There is much delicious irony in this situation ...as one day day the Saud will want their money with interest.
So in many ways your situation too is dire....and being compounded by Dubya spending trillions on Iraq "away days" for pretty much all the soldiers in your defense forces....does this make much sense?
Your banks are throwing you out of your houses, many of your childrens are relying on charity kitchens ....and all you can do is have a go at peoples who don't have much anyway....I mean what vindictiveness?
Listen to me .....don't rely on banks and fininacial institutions...they are here one day and gone the next.
The only permanent institution is Allah T'allah SWT ...the only one you need. Read the sahada , convert and learn to live with less....it's a good way forward as it's divine.
DP111
Your exactly right, if you want your own Nation, support it, supply it or shut up. But you know, it never dawned on me that Israel was giving Hamas electricity, water and fuel. It's about damn time they were cut off!
She's back. And telling us that the Saudis will charge "interest." No -- we will keep them from temptation, by refusing to pay it. And then some.
It's about time! Olmert must have been sleeping when they made this happen.
I hope the "palestinians" learn a lesson this time-don't buy weapons, earn a living, build an economy, create your own country which requires hard work and pride, feed your children instead of trying to kill people, grow up, wake up, geez.
"Listen to me .....don't rely on banks and fininacial institutions...they are here one day and gone the next."
Posted by: Naseem
....please give us the names of any American banks or financial institutions that have failed after only a short run.....
....I cannot find a single one.
It appears that the agressive personality of Naseem is in charge today.
The Saudi ruling class is certainly a fine example of adhering to Islam and learning to live with less, that is, if you are stark raving mad as Naseem continually proves herself to be.
On a related topic, the NY Times, of all places, published a pretty good article by Steve Erlanger on the Gazan economy and smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Israel, oddly, was not to blame.
I'm curious, what does that SWT stand for? Stupid, Witness, and Treacherous? A Silly Waste of Time?
On a related topic, is there anything besides murder and torture and a love of death, in Muslim culture (and I use that term very broadly) that is not derivative? They relied on Christians, Pagans and Jews to supply learning and art for a few centuries, but when that ran out, the whole thing sort of pancaked and, apart from the prayer mat buzzer and bomb belt, they have created nothing new (right? Or wrong?)
I am shocked that they waited this long
The average Amerike, far from being a dominant, confident homo sapien has his hands tied. He thus no longer has many childrens or sends them to University. He works for corporates who are simply grateful to the Saud in many instances to keep them afloat. There is much delicious irony in this situation ...as one day day the Saud will want their money with interest.
With interest? Thats not very Islamic
Next time don't give up any land.
"At any rate by cutting off electricity to the peoples of Gaza, Israel is punishing innocents mainly..."
Posted by: Naseem
....you should see how the dozens of rockets fired indiscrimately by Muslims from Gaza into Israel punishes innocents....
....The Muslims in Gaza do not deserve amenities such as running water, good electricity, air conditioning, or access to Israel (where, incidently the Muslims prefer to go for medical treatment, disease control, and to see smiling faces)....
"At any rate by cutting off electricity to the peoples of Gaza, Israel is punishing innocents mainly..."
Who said they were innocent? Not I !
In December 2004 I posted the following blog entry and it appears to be as relevant now as when it was written:
"At any rate by cutting off electricity to the peoples of Gaza, Israel is punishing innocents mainly..."
Posted by: Naseem
Naseem forgets who voted for Hamas.
"So if the Palestinians want a state to call their own, they will have to accept the full responsibility of statehood and the consequences of international law of conflict if its leaders or citizens violate it.
Posted by: DrMack "
....they may start to call you "profet"....
Hmmm, a state to call their own...
Durkastan?
"Hmmm, a state to call their own...
Durkastan?
Posted by: jcom972 "
...would that be a mental state....
But...they ARE a mental state as it is...lol
Yes but the west will not allow it because it is dead set on paying for not one but TWO palistinian states.
"On a related topic, is there anything besides murder and torture and a love of death, in Muslim culture (and I use that term very broadly) that is not derivative? They relied on Christians, Pagans and Jews to supply learning and art for a few centuries, but when that ran out, the whole thing sort of pancaked and, apart from the prayer mat buzzer and bomb belt, they have created nothing new (right? Or wrong?)"
Posted by: Seymour Paine
They created more virgins and more martyrs.What else does one need?
"Israel's Security Cabinet declared the Gaza Strip an "enemy entity" Wednesday, Israeli radio stations reported.
Good. Enough is enough
What I wonder about it is whether an intelligent and educated Moslem (I assume there are some here and there) feels shame upon discovering how meagre is the Islamic contribution to the world. At some level, they have to realize what losers they are, how all their countries are backward, terror-filled, retrogressing entities; how the country with the highest GDP in the Middle East is Israel, with no oil at all (doing what the Japanese did); how their religion is a cause for grief the world over. They may publicly aver fealty to it, but I wonder if privately they feel shame and horror. (Same question was probably asked of their spiritual forebears, the Nazis.)
Of course, they're Moslems, so generally they are all stuck in the 7th century. Didn't they invent thuggism?
Naseem: "After taking away (and keeping) the Philistinas land, it is natural that Israel would want to keep them on the "backfoot", therefore it is not so surprising that this is but one of a number of tactics used by the jew to keep the boot down on the Philistina neck. "
And when have Muslims surrendered lands taken in conflict?
When have they not pacified those populations who refuse to express their submission?
Naseem: "Obviously it is not not right to fire rockets as innocent jews ....but equally Israel (being the dominant partner) in this assymetric relationship has made feeble attempts at resolving the said issues. "
Mainly because terrorist-apologists, such as yourself, whinge ceaselessly when they make vigorous efforts to address the problem.
Naseem: "At any rate by cutting off electricity to the peoples of Gaza, Israel is punishing innocents mainly. Israel could not design a better strategy to alienate the locals against them....and keeping Hamas supporters lean and keen (as well as mean). "
There are few, if any, innocents in Gaza, Naseem. The majority elected Hamas to represent them, knowing they would do these things. When one makes a choice, one chooses the consequences of that choice. As they have sown, so shall they reap.
Naseem: "Your banks are throwing you out of your houses, many of your childrens are relying on charity kitchens ....and all you can do is have a go at peoples who don't have much anyway....I mean what vindictiveness?"
I am always amused when the propagandists latch onto the thinnest of threads with which to pull their arguments together.
Naseem, the so-called "mortgage meltdown" is nothing of the sort. The vast and overwhelming majority of mortgages are paid on time, even within the so-called "troubled sub-prime" segment of the market. Your arguments are an empty vessel, containing no substance.
Naseem: "The only permanent institution is Allah T'allah SWT ...the only one you need. Read the sahada , convert and learn to live with less....it's a good way forward as it's divine. "
A bastardized, dumb-down version of Catholicism, as presented by a jumped up bandit-chieftain with delusions of grandeur.
Riddle me this -- if Hurricane Katrina was "Allah's punishment" on the United States, what were the series of major earthquakes in Indonesia?