All over Iran they're breathing easier: the Mad Mahdist is a Mathematician. "My maths skills show we're safe, says Iranian leader," from Agence France-Presse (thanks to Hot Air):
PRESIDENT Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has sought to justify his confidence the US will not attack Iran, saying the proof comes from his mathematical skills as an engineer and faith in God, the press reported today.Mr Ahmadinejad told academics in a speech that elements inside Iran were pressing for compromise in the nuclear standoff with the West over fears the US could launch a military strike.
"In some discussions I told them 'I am an engineer and I am examining the issue. They do not dare wage war against us and I base this on a double proof'," he said in the speech yesterday, reported by the reformist Etemad Melli and Kargozaran newspapers.
"I tell them: 'I am an engineer and I am a master in calculation and tabulation.
"I draw up tables. For hours, I write out different hypotheses. I reject, I reason. I reason with planning and I make a conclusion. They cannot make problems for Iran."'
Mr Ahmadinejad has long expressed pride in his academic prowess. He holds a PhD on transport engineering and planning from Tehran's Science and Technology University and is the author several of scientific papers.
The deeply religious President said his second reason was: "I believe in what God says."
"God says that those who walk in the path of righteousness will be victorious. What reason can you have for believing God will not keep this promise."
What tells me he is safe is we have a CIC who is an evangelic who knows their is a friend in the sky who will keep us safe from Islam and will do nothing to stop Islams spread.
Delusions of grandeur, a sure sign of a demented personality. I wonder if his audience is buying any of this BS?
Why does he say "God" when he means "allah" the limestone pagan Moon deity?
I think John Derbyshire (a mathematician) needs to comment on this article for us.
My answer to the concluding the question "What reason can you have for believing God [Allah] will not keep this promise" would be: The United States Air Force. By the way, they use lots of math, too.
"And I was a paperhanger before WW1 and so I know what's best and right for the German people (theft), and so I forgot to read history, dismissed Napoleon's adventures and defeat, and then decided that I would attack the frozen Russian hinterland and in my superior wisdom understood that I would defeat nature,that I would prevail...."
Yada yada yada.
I wonder what the mullahs are saying. And I just can't resist - but it sounds as if a Democrat, or two, have assured him that we won't attack. They hate Bush more than anything else on this earth and have smooched up to the likes of ahmadinejad. They are less concerned with Israel being in danger, our troops being in danger, and us being in danger - in order to fully hate Bush.
The only problem with his reasoning is that allah is no god at all, but the construction of Mohammad. When Iran's genocidal ambitions have brought their country to its knees, will he then understand that his god is no god at all?
It is a common mistake in history to over estimate the decadence of Western society and the resolve that can quickly be awakened in times of crisis. Japan did not understand this when they attacked the USA.
This all said, at least the Iranian President plans and can do math. This is something that is lacking in GW Bush ... a C level university grad.
'Scuse me, but I think he should express pride in his nutcase "prowess."
Ahmadinejad, Ph.D., Nutcase
"Is this a joke?"--Nigel Tufnel
"Pride goeth before a fall"
No matter how many equations he does, it all comes down to one.
x = USAF
and the sooner the better.
figure that........
wonder if ajerjabber has the ability to count all of the bombers when they fly over......... or if he will have to take off his shoes so he can get count greater than ten..................
First it's his math skills. Then "God says".
OK, then, he has removed Mohammed from his dialogue. So, God is just a commentator on his calculations and Mohammed is a sponsor.
Let's remind the rest of that world he would lead that they elevated this PERSIAN to such a position to clothe the symptoms of their impotency. These 'macho'-Middleasterners have been emasculated by PERSIANS again. How do they want to apply 'taqqiya' (sic) to that?
Come on, Gang. Let's get with it. Psych this creep out.
"gymgal" gets it right on - target.
He believes the time for Mahdi's return has come, he also believes the forces of islam are invincible with the help of allah.
It's time to show all of islam how bullet-proof they are...
BTW, I'm evangelical and I don't have a problem fighting evil. Bush has been sold a bill of goods by his close associates concerning islam. He believes the "same god" line, and knows some "nice muslims".
Sure glad FDR didn't know some "nice nazis".
I know this sounds weird however I can completely understand the phrases "I am an engineer and I am a master in calculation and tabulation."
"I draw up tables. For hours, I write out different hypotheses. I reject, I reason. I reason with planning and I make a conclusion. They cannot make problems for Iran."'
I have worked with engineers for years. The majority of the ones I worked with thought the same as "Amadick". They treated others around them as having lesser skills. This accounts for a lot of his egotistical remarks from my point of view.
The deeply religious President said his second reason was: "I believe in what God says."
"God says that those who walk in the path of righteousness will be victorious. What reason can you have for believing God will not keep this promise."
and God will its promises the problem here is they are worshiping the ravings of a schizophrenic epileptic 780 ad
Hmmm….
Let’s see…
An over whelming Naval force in the region.
Diverting attacks on the flanks.
The best trained and combat tested naval aviators in the world.
Let’s do the calculations
Yup…. Seems Japan is supposed to have won at Midway.
Engineers aren’t Military Generals and Admirals.
I say we leave the science of warfare to the practitioners and keep our engineers and politicians out of it on our side.
Let the Iranian have their politicians muck it up like we did in Vietnam.
Delusional remarks/claims, and an inflated ego...seems like Iran is not the sole possessor of those kind of politicians. America has a few of its own. Look at Congress/Senate, and the Bush administration.
Many of the individuals involved have a lot in common with Beasty Boy.
This seems to be "Proof by eminent authority" (http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/proveit.html). Outside the Islamic world, that technique is considered a joke, but I'm sure the "academics" that he spoke to didn't laugh...
I fear he might be right, though. With or without "proof".
Allah, as "inshallah" denotes, is not bound by rational (or any other) laws.
Mahmoud is presuming to limit Allah.
A dangerous equation for a Muslim.
ISLAM = -1+1
So when we open up that can of whoop-ass he'll be sitting with his adding machine saying, "This does not compute!"
what reason? I'm sure that Egypt asked this in 1967. The anti-Israel forces have been asking temselves this for 60 years. Why does Ahmadinejad believe differently is a better question.
Fatwah:
By using prophecy, in contempt of Islam's "finality of prophethood," Ahmadinejad has proven to be an apostate from Islam. My sentence is: death by be-heading. I order the Basij to pause their strike-breaking activity for Ayatollah owned companies, and carry out my authoritative sentence.
It must be that New Math they were experimenting with on our children back in the '70s.
Everything he says adds up; he's NUTS!
The new million-man math perhaps? Has Ahmadinejad been talking to Louis Farrakhan?
Numerology in Islam belongs to the Ismail sect, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology_%28Ismailism%29 , where Mohammed was the last imam who had gone into occultation, which is a kind of suspended animation, until he returns as the mahdi. Ismailism is really into numbers, but not the kind that gives meaningful scientific results, the kind we learned in school, but the kind that give magic. They are into 'numerology' which gives numbers magical powers, like 6666 verses in their koran, or the 6th period of the last imama. This puts worship of numerological numbers right up there with worshiping a black stone in the black cube, all superstitious pagan inspired nonsense. The great mathematician of Iran, Nutjobs, is either subscribing to these superstitions or smoking too much hashish. Our numbers will prove more effective in putting him out of business than his numbers.
A good all out strike against their nukes and installations, let the people of Iran regain control of their country from the mullahs, and we got him. Those are my calculations.
The deeply religious President said his second reason was: "I believe in what God says."
I guess he talks directly with God. That puts him on a higher level with leaders like Moses, various popes, Mohamed, vaious religious leaders, Jim Baker, various military leaders and high school football coaches. We should definitely believe what he says, since he has a personal hotline to God.
Ring....Ring....Ring...
Thug: Hello, Heil Ahmadinejad! I mean ...Err.. Allah Akbar!
Allah: ...yes..Akbar me...
Thug: What can I do for you today master.
Allah: First I want to congratulate your implimention of the fashion patrols. Your pie charts and statistical analysis has been outstanding. Mine eyes are 85% less offended when I cast them to the earth.
Thug: Thank you, I am elated that my actions please you. In those hundreds of days while my fellow students took over the embassy in Tehran, we concentrated our studies in divinity of the pie chart.
Allah: Well...er... I have some good news and bad news, which do you want first.
Thug: Since I like to wear Member's Only jackets and have such a sunny disposition, give me the good news first.
Allah: It pleases me that you have made so much progress on the centrifuges and towards nuclear material and towards my ultimate solution of wiping all infidels and Jews off the face of the earth...yes I am pleased and as a bonus I will throw in an extra 20 virgins when you join me in paradise.
Thug: Oh great one, I am elated beyond expression, but what is the bad news.
Allah: Well...err,,, God, Yahwee, Buddah and me were vacationing on the Dead Sea as we do every year, ....
Thug: Yes I wondered why you hadnt called me on the hot-line lately, did you have a good time.
Allah: Yes we mostly spent our time floating in the water, competing for the best miracle, and playing Texas Hold'em..
Thug: Texas Hold'em? Isn't that an infidel game that belongs to the Great Satan, Bush?????
Allah: Errrrr....yes... I was just...err...investigating the game to see if it too should be wiped off the face of the earth...yes it is an evil game... How was I too know that accursed Yahwee would get two aces on the flop...Anyway, I lost and now I have to pay up... short story, the Jews will destroy the nuke factory, your people will rise up, and you will need to move to Club Gitmo, in Cuba, Sorry... I mean four aces..talk about a miracle. Goodbye.
Thug: What....What...????
Phone: Buzzzzzzzzz.....
Hevenly Operator: Sorry this line has been disconected....Please check your number and dial again.
Thug: Operator: please contect me with the 13th Mujah..... Hey 13, this is your old pal the President, hey I think we need to re-think the rise out of the well stuff, in fact I was hoping that you had finished up the guest bedroom remodel, as I think I might come visit for a millenium or so. .....
The deeply religious President said his second reason was: "I believe in what God says."
I guess he talks directly with God. That puts him on a higher level with leaders like Moses, various popes, Mohamed, vaious religious leaders, Jim Baker, various military leaders and high school football coaches. We should definitely believe what he says, since he has a personal hotline to God.
Ring....Ring....Ring...
Thug: Hello, Heil Ahmadinejad! I mean ...Err.. Allah Akbar!
Allah: ...yes..Akbar me...
Thug: What can I do for you today master.
Allah: First I want to congratulate your implimention of the fashion patrols. Your pie charts and statistical analysis has been outstanding. Mine eyes are 85% less offended when I cast them to the earth.
Thug: Thank you, I am elated that my actions please you. In those hundreds of days while my fellow students took over the embassy in Tehran, we concentrated our studies in divinity of the pie chart.
Allah: Well...er... I have some good news and bad news, which do you want first.
Thug: Since I like to wear Member's Only jackets and have such a sunny disposition, give me the good news first.
Allah: It pleases me that you have made so much progress on the centrifuges and towards nuclear material and towards my ultimate solution of wiping all infidels and Jews off the face of the earth...yes I am pleased and as a bonus I will throw in an extra 20 virgins when you join me in paradise.
Thug: Oh great one, I am elated beyond expression, but what is the bad news.
Allah: Well...err,,, God, Yahwee, Buddah and me were vacationing on the Dead Sea as we do every year, ....
Thug: Yes I wondered why you hadnt called me on the hot-line lately, did you have a good time.
Allah: Yes we mostly spent our time floating in the water, competing for the best miracle, and playing Texas Hold'em..
Thug: Texas Hold'em? Isn't that an infidel game that belongs to the Great Satan, Bush?????
Allah: Errrrr....yes... I was just...err...investigating the game to see if it too should be wiped off the face of the earth...yes it is an evil game... How was I too know that accursed Yahwee would get two aces on the flop...Anyway, I lost and now I have to pay up... short story, the Jews will destroy the nuke factory, your people will rise up, and you will need to move to Club Gitmo, in Cuba, Sorry... I mean four aces..talk about a miracle. Goodbye.
Thug: What....What...????
Phone: Buzzzzzzzzz.....
Hevenly Operator: Sorry this line has been disconected....Please check your number and dial again.
Thug: Operator: please contect me with the 13th Mujah..... Hey 13, this is your old pal the President, hey I think we need to re-think the rise out of the well stuff, in fact I was hoping that you had finished up the guest bedroom remodel, as I think I might come visit for a millenium or so. .....
The deeply religious President said his second reason was: "I believe in what God says."
I guess he talks directly with God. That puts him on a higher level with leaders like Moses, various popes, Mohamed, vaious religious leaders, Jim Baker, various military leaders and high school football coaches. We should definitely believe what he says, since he has a personal hotline to God.
Ring....Ring....Ring...
Thug: Hello, Heil Ahmadinejad! I mean ...Err.. Allah Akbar!
Allah: ...yes..Akbar me...
Thug: What can I do for you today master.
Allah: First I want to congratulate your implimention of the fashion patrols. Your pie charts and statistical analysis has been outstanding. Mine eyes are 85% less offended when I cast them to the earth.
Thug: Thank you, I am elated that my actions please you. In those hundreds of days while my fellow students took over the embassy in Tehran, we concentrated our studies in divinity of the pie chart.
Allah: Well...er... I have some good news and bad news, which do you want first.
Thug: Since I like to wear Member's Only jackets and have such a sunny disposition, give me the good news first.
Allah: It pleases me that you have made so much progress on the centrifuges and towards nuclear material and towards my ultimate solution of wiping all infidels and Jews off the face of the earth...yes I am pleased and as a bonus I will throw in an extra 20 virgins when you join me in paradise.
Thug: Oh great one, I am elated beyond expression, but what is the bad news.
Allah: Well...err,,, God, Yahwee, Buddah and me were vacationing on the Dead Sea as we do every year, ....
Thug: Yes I wondered why you hadnt called me on the hot-line lately, did you have a good time.
Allah: Yes we mostly spent our time floating in the water, competing for the best miracle, and playing Texas Hold'em..
Thug: Texas Hold'em? Isn't that an infidel game that belongs to the Great Satan, Bush?????
Allah: Errrrr....yes... I was just...err...investigating the game to see if it too should be wiped off the face of the earth...yes it is an evil game... How was I too know that accursed Yahwee would get two aces on the flop...Anyway, I lost and now I have to pay up... short story, the Jews will destroy the nuke factory, your people will rise up, and you will need to move to Club Gitmo, in Cuba, Sorry... I mean four aces..talk about a miracle. Goodbye.
Thug: What....What...????
Phone: Buzzzzzzzzz.....
Hevenly Operator: Sorry this line has been disconected....Please check your number and dial again.
Thug: Operator: please contect me with the 13th Mujah..... Hey 13, this is your old pal the President, hey I think we need to re-think the rise out of the well stuff, in fact I was hoping that you had finished up the guest bedroom remodel, as I think I might come visit for a millenium or so. .....
To those who continue to trash and bash President Bush, I'd like to bring up the awkward affair of North Korea and their diminished nuclear ambitions. Unless a lot of folks are misreporting the facts, it looks as if George Bush has not only a rudimentary grasp of mathematics, but is in fact operating at an Honor's level. His calculations regarding the ways by which the world's rogue leaders can be marginalized seem to be well-proven. Dare we say, he follows in the footsteps of Ronald Reagan; another scholar in the ways of the world.
Entertaining, GrimReaperxxx.
I suspect Ahmadinejad wants the U.S. to attack Iran. He is only pretending he thinks it can't happen. He wants the U.S. to attack, because he believes that will hasten the return of the Mahdi. He wants the U.S. to attack Iran also because it will help separate the Islamic world from the West and purify Islamic culture. And if Iran is soon to have nukes, maybe he thinks a U.S. attack on Iran will create support in the Iranian government to hand those nukes off to terrorist groups, or use them in other ways.
But even if it's true that Ahmadinejad wants the U.S. to attack Iran, that of course doesn't mean the U.S. shouldn't attack. And at the rate Iran is building new centrifuges, an attack on them might happen pretty soon, in less than a year.
@Battle_of_Tours
Numerology in Islam belongs to the Ismail sect,
I did not know about numerology in Islam. I guess when you stop and think about, why not! Anyway as most have heard the Bible deals in numerology as well. I won't get into detail but with all these 6's of this and that I am reminded of the famouse 666 of Revelation. Just a nice coincidence don't you think.
Mind you the study of numbers is interesting but I don't pour tons of meaning into them. First figure out what it is saying before getting hung up with numbers.
Rev 13:18
Wisdom is needed to understand this. Let the one who has understanding solve the number of the beast (Satan), for it is the number of a man. His number is 666.
مراجعة 13:18
الحكمة اللازمة لفهم ذلك. اتركوا الذي يملك التفاهم لحل عدد من الوحش (الشيطان) ، ومن عدد من رجل. صاحب الرقم هو 666.
lilgerman...if you mean by 'bashing Bush', that someone is being 'irrational' in their assessment of his job performance, I beg to differ with you, just a leetle bit. So N Korea backed down, They backed down before, and then go against their word. We are just paying them off as always, but it is somewhat of an accomplishment. They will probably be quiet for a while, until they feel needy again.
I am not going to itemize Bush's betrayals to this country, but there are some. He has not got a low approval rating for no reason.I would agree with you if it was just the normal, 'liberal' Bush feastathons of hate,' but it has become bigger than that. A National strike protesting Bush's policies has already been suggested, and not by liberals. But I am sure any self respecting liberal would cooperate with such a strike.
In my view, any President will do some good as a natural course of the Presidency. This does not necessarily mean they are doing a good job overall. I never trusted Bush completely, but backed him anyway. Now I know my gut instinct was right. Maybe you can trust him, but I can't.
A little more on topic:
Beasty Boy in Iran knows he can't trust Geo either. Thats why he spends hours doing math calculations from Allah. He and Allah are trying to get into Geo's head by arithmaticical sympathetic magick. The (shudder) occult.
Beasty is practicing black magick by the numbers.
He is wasting his time with the magick routine,
No one has ever penetrated the head of Geo Bush, not even Allah. Geo is solid as a rock. Nothing swerves him from his appointed path...now if we only knew what that was...
profitsbeard makes a good point: Ahmadinejad is surely doing something very un-Islamic in presuming to be able to ascertain laws that predict what Allah will make happen in the future. Allah, as Muslims said to the Jews, is completely "unfettered," obeys no laws, obeys only himself. For Islam, Ahmadinejad's predicting of the future would seem to be sacrilege.
Thomas Aquinas, by contrast, said that God could not contravene mathematical laws. That distinction between Islam's view of an "unfettered" God, and on the other hand the Judeo-Christian view of a "fettered," or rather, a consistent, lawful God, explains why modern science was born in the Christian world, and has been so weak in the Islamic world. For Christians, it could made sense to seek out God's consistency, the laws God obeys. For Muslims, it is blasphemy to say that God obeys laws, or anything other than himself. That is because the Muslim Allah was modeled after the ancient, absolute despot customary in the Near East. It is a despotism that goes back to the times of the ancient Greeks and before. Islam has made Allah in the despot's image. The Judeo-Christiant tradition inculcated the view that man was made in God's image, and that God was a Father, not a despot.
Ahmadinejad's scientific training seems to have subverted his religion, and he doesn't even know it! If he can use mathematical and logical reflection to discover for himself the "laws" and "reasons" why an event in the future won't happen or is unlikely, then he is already on the verge of apostasy. Once one can look within for the truth of things and their laws, the absolute authority of an exteranl document like the Qur'an begins to die. If Allah is not absolute will obedient only to itself, if Allah is consistent and inwardly lawful, so that the individual human being can look within and discover, on his own, the truth, then the absolute authority of anything merely external dies, and with that, Islam, or much of Islam, dies.
I guess some Muslims might retort to my comment above by saying, "What about Islamic law?"
Maybe one could reply that in Islam, Allah does not obey Islamic law. Islamic law is for human beings only.
Here is some math, an excellent assessment of the real weakness of the Muslim world in the words of Muslim scholars themselves. All wars are wars of attrition. The economies that run out of steam first, lose. It is clear from the real math that the capacity of the Muslim world to sustain a war against the non-Muslim world is almost too insignificant to measure.
One of the things that made the cold war so dangerous was the risk that one side or the other might believe that they could survive a nuclear exchange. Ahmadinejad is particularly dangerous for just that reason, that he and his cronies believe that they would not only survive a war in which they used nuclear weapons but that they would prevail. Somehow the rest of the world needs to convince the mullahs that is not the case.
I'll bet my skull cap that his 'cypherin' is a bit rusty. A US attack is long overdue and the payback for their meddling in Iraq should be long and severe. I often wonder if Jimmy Carter wishes he had supported the Shah...nah...probably not, that would have taken something he nor the deomcrats have...brass balls
More thoughts on Islam and the number:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#islam_666
It's not completely irrational to suspect that there are limits to the use of air power alone: the Kosovo campaign and the last year's war in South Lebanon showed that. Denial of intelligence, 'going subterranean', camouflage and the use of diversionary dummies can all be effective in, at least partially, neutralising its effect.
"drawing up tables" and writing out "different
hypotheses" is all well and good but there is
something lacking that a mathematician would
surely make: a proof! Lacking that it's just a
bunch of numbers with no definitive relation to
each other. Drawn up tables? So what!?
And what does he provide in addition? "What reason
can you have for believing God will not keep this
promise." Well, God acts in strange and mysterious
ways and while reason may bring someone to God
(think of Augustine) it is faith that sustains a
believer not reason. And reason would lead one to
believe that God is not keeping any convenent
muslims believe He has with them anyway! Israel,
a small country, has crushed the muslim armies on
numerous occasions; in spite of sitting on a giant
black and viscous money printing resource muslim
countries are generally poor and nasty places; the
west lives in comfort, it is a place of power and
money while muslim countries are places of poverty
and humiliation.
Inshallah? Look around! He is not willing!
Hmmm...his math skills shows he's safe, eh?
My math says...
1 SSBN
24 empty missile tubes,
multiple mushroom clouds,
ice up the cold ones.
Yep,
My math skills are better...
lol
President Nutjob of Iran is talking it up again. He is just plain MAD, very MAD indeed.
He's Just scared we'll wipe him off the face of the earth like something unsavory on the bottom of our shoe
DrMack said: "It is clear from the real math that the capacity of the Muslim world to sustain a war against the non-Muslim world is almost too insignificant to measure."
The Islamic countries know that, and that is why their global strategy is to infiltrate the West and undermine it from within, with the eventual goal of taking over through demographic warfare. The final step is to loot our civilization as Allah's reward to them for their piety. Basically, they have to get this job done, or at least get the Islamic engine of destruction in place in the West, before their oil runs out.
DrMack said: "Ahmadinejad and his cronies... believe that they would not only survive a war in which they used nuclear weapons but that they would prevail."
By Islamic ideology, Ahmadinejad cannot care if he or his country survives, if in the process he can precipitate destruction of the Infidel West. His goal necessarily must be to die fighting for Allah, which is all that really counts. If he happens to survive, well that will be on account of Allah's will.
The Communists valued their material assets, so could be deterred by visible and credible physical threat. The Muslims absolutely do not, and will not be deterred.
Yes, a fatalistic nuclear-armed Ahmadinejad is very dangerous indeed.
As Hugh has pointed out repeatedly, the eternal goal must be to keep the Islamic world as isolated and as weak as possible, because any technology or bounty that comes their way, by accident or as foreign aid or economic support from the West, will be redirected to jihad.
Ahmad is a kook. The first step that needs to be taken is to find the right size straightjacket for a monkey. A childrens small should fit him nicely, but it's his GYNORMOUS ego they won't be able to accommodate at the 'Inn', not unless they reserve the entire upstairs wing.
How the he!! has it come to where a guy who looks like he just walked out of a Tehran discoteque is going to have his finger on the red button in a matter of months?
The monkey reference is quite apt...by placing allah above and beyond reason Islam has made things awfully confusing for itself down here on old Planet Earth. Essentially they settled matters for themselves 1300 years ago, sat down in the dirt, and seethed at how well everyone else seemed to be doing. This is why they are so impoverished and backward and tribal. They can't get anything going over THERE, so they come and screw everything up over HERE. And now they actually have some dough only because it was right there under their feet. And so we sit and wait until there is enough provocation to send them all packing. I hope it is not your city, or mine.
Well, just remember...he's NOT THE #1 in charge-it's the ayatollah who makes THE decisions-he's just the mouthpiece.