1938 Alert. "U.S. Confirms Israeli Strikes Hit Syrian Target Last Week," by Mark Mazzetti and Helene Cooper for the New York Times (thanks to all who sent this in):
WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 — After days of silence from the Israeli government, American officials confirmed Tuesday that Israeli warplanes launched airstrikes inside Syria last week, the first such attack since 2003.A Defense Department official said Israeli jets had struck at least one target in northeastern Syria last Thursday, but the official said it was still unclear exactly what the jets hit and the extent of the bombing damage.
Syria has lodged a protest at the United Nations in response to the airstrike, accusing Israel of “flagrant violation” of its airspace. But Israel’s government has repeatedly declined to comment on the matter.
Officials in Washington said that the most likely targets of the raid were weapons caches that Israel’s government believes Iran has been sending the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah through Syria. Iran and Syria are Hezbollah’s primary benefactors, and American intelligence officials say a steady flow of munitions from Iran runs through Syria and into Lebanon....
One Bush administration official said Israel had recently carried out reconnaissance flights over Syria, taking pictures of possible nuclear installations that Israeli officials believed might have been supplied with material from North Korea. The administration official said Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria....
Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has said that if Israel is not willing to resume negotiations for the return of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force....
Brilliant! Destroy weapons the mahometans deny having in the first place. No harm, no foul, play on!
Now that's the old Israel I love and remember!
Make no apologies!
Bravo! The last thing the world needs is whacky Muslims with nukes...
The fact that Syria, the MSM, and the U.N. are toning this down and slow playing this SCREAMS that Israel was correct and successful in what they bombed.
Syria has taken a week to start making this public. So, I am assuming that Russia raced in with aircraft and helped Syria clean up all of the incriminating evidence. Once it is clean then they will start allowing the media in.
How many days will it be before we start seeing bodies of 'innocent' people that were killed that the MSM will start pushing as propaganda?
"...the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force."
....which would be met with the usual failure....
Go Israel!!!!
OT: I just have to mention this -- I'm moving on UP, again:
Anvil upgrading to Virtual Private Server (VPS)
Bigger, badder, meaner than ever.
:D
So much for "only for peaceful purposes!"
MY ASS!!!!
Let's see how the "US is the real terrorist!" loony lackeys of the illucid left try to spin this one.
LMAO
"Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has said that if Israel is not willing to resume negotiations for the return of the Golan Heights, the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force...."
So bring it on!
I suspect that Israel and the US have a deal that prior to Bush leaving office, they will eliminate the possibility of Iran (and Syria) from obtaining nukes. I certainly hope so. While the world would certainly condemn any military action and the moaning would be incessant, privately most of the countries complaining will be secretly happy this was done.
Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has said that if Israel is not willing to resume negotiations for the return of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force....
the operative word here is.....try.
In case the Syrians forgot, Israel took that land in a war started by the arabs. Maybe they are feeling spunky again - but the result will be the same.
Maybe this time, the Israelis can take Damascus.
Tell Asshead of Syria that the next bomb is aimed at his huge melon-head. That should quiet him down.
Every country (and it's usually Islamic) that Vladimir Putin's czarist regime deals with ends up being armed to the teeth--and with non-Muslims being the ultimate target of these weapons. I have said many times before on this blog that Russia has for long been a handmaiden to Islamic terror; and seeing that Russia has been recently involved in dealings with the Syrians that Syria now has weapons of mass destruction would be a logical deduction. Why else would Putin be dealing with Syria if NOT to equip the Syrians for success in the global jihad? (We mentioned Russia was a handmaiden for Islam's global jihad, didn't we?).
Bad news: Vladimir Putin has been dealing extensively with the Indonesian government of late. Nuclear power is one of the items on the table for discussion.
How soon will it be before Jakarta has nuclear missiles and attacks a non-Muslim state (like Australia or even America) with them? Does anyone care to place any bets on this blog as to WHEN?
Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has said that if Israel is not willing to resume negotiations for the return of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force....
All talk.. I'd like to see that one! All Israel needs is the right cover to clean up not only in Syria but in Lebanon and in Gaza while they are at it.
Syria can't be THAT stupid.. although on second thought.. they always do act just a little too soon.. instead of waiting for further dhimmification of the West and thus tying Israel's hands just a little more.. they want to throw that 100-yard bomb.. score that TD immediately when a 10-minute drive would not only wear down the D but also take the enemy out of his game by keeping his offense off the field.. ie. slow jihad.. taking over in MSM and in Education and in Politics as they are relentlessly doing already..
Their triumphalism may yet get in the way of their "Endsieg - their final victory".
Like everyone else, Russians have not exactly had a good time with Muslims…they too have borne the brunt of serious Islamic terror…
Putin would have to be an idiot to arm Muslim states (especially with nukes)…(not saying that he isn’t, just that he certainly does not have the interests of the Russian people at heart if he IS doing that.)
Well, looks like that possibility may end up coming true sooner rather than later...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html
Bad news: Vladimir Putin has been dealing extensively with the Indonesian government of late. Nuclear power is one of the items on the table for discussion.
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Posted by: pythagoras
Fact is we screwed over Russia in afghanistan and we are still screwing them over in Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo. And for what??!!
We are getting NOTHING for screwing over Russia in favor of moslems.
So who are we to cry when the Russians now do the same to us?
I say we need to negotiate and trade off with the Russians behind the scenes.
Long-term China is a threat not only to us but also to Russia, with which China shares a HUGE border. 150 million Russians vs. what? like 1.5 BN Chinese looking for "Lebensraum".. Cya, Siberia..
Russia and the USA have a lot to gain by doing a closed-doors deal. islam is a threat to us all - and that includes China.
Why not let the Russians have free reign in Chechnya, which is their own internal affair anyway..? And what a great way to undo our BLUNDER OF MASS PROPORTION in the Balkans by saying that we have to be more "sensitive to Russian feelings"?
And in return we ask the Russians to stop arming up the islamofascistans worldwide. The Russians I am sure are well aware that these weapons CAN also be turned on them..
Instead we should aid Russia to find her way into the EU.. instead of the useless Trojan Horse called Turkey!
Russia would get vast funds out of exporting resources to her peaceful trading partners whil forming an enormous bloc spanning virtually the entire northern hemisphere..
And one day they even join NATO, even if the pact might have to go under a different name.. easily done since I am all for releasing Turkey from any further obligation under the treaty :-)
Faced with such a powerful realignment of forces the islamofascistans will no longer be able to derive their power by playing both ends against the middle, as they are presently doing.
This is the rational way to go, even if I hear the occasioanl ranting on this and other blogs about Putin. But just like the USA, which is not defined by the person of Dhymbya Bush, neither is Russia simply the persona of her present Leader-in-Chief.
Trust me. the Russians are SO much BETTER than any islamist person!
You can even have fun and party with them if you are so inclined!
Vodka!
Caviar!
1-2-3!
I agree with Foehammer - that's the Israel we all know and love. And this time, since it was done secretly, it can't be openly condemned.
Memo to the US - do something similar in Iran. And deny doing it, and be ready to veto any pro-Iranian resolution in the UN Security Council.
And I do hope Syria is stupid enough to attach the Golan Heights again - this time hopefully, the Israelis should extend the Golan Heights to Damascus, and annex that city. Let the Syrians shift to Allepo or Hama.
Wooo hoooo ISRAEL!!! They should do things like this more often ;o)
Putin doesn't care who he arms, as long as it isn't the west. IMHO he wants the cold war back but on his terms. Those poor Russian people, back to Communism or fascism. What a choice. Once KGB, always KGB.
Rachel:
Putin may have converted to Islam on the sly. He has been observed going into mosque services in Malaysia and is known to hang out in Islamic countries (which are very rarely if ever desirable vacation destinations).
But the Communist and Islamic bloc countries have been covertly at work together since the 1960s; Arafat was on the KGB payroll. Moscow openly courts HAMAS these days; and it WAS Moscow that sold nuclear missile technology to the Iranian mullahs recently. bin Laden himself stated: "the work of the Islamists and the work of the Socialists meets in the war against the Crusaders."
Islam and Communism BOTH include world domination in their fundamental ideologies; Russia is edging back into Communism of late; Putin is from the KGB encase you didn't know.
Syria has lodged a protest at the United Nations in response to the airstrike, accusing Israel of “flagrant violation” of its airspace.
I expect a swift and harsh condemnation of Israel's actions by the UN. It's just a hunch.
very country (and it's usually Islamic) that Vladimir Putin's czarist regime deals with ends up being armed to the teeth--and with non-Muslims being the ultimate target of these weapons.
Two thoughts:
What in the world does Putin have in common with the Czars?
The good thing about the ass hatted moslems buying the Russian junk - is that it generally doesn't work. The one exception being the kalishnikov.
I think we in the West have a moral duty to support Israel come what may. If ever in future Israel goes under ,annihilated then I am afraid it will be Greece and so on Islamic armies moving westward as they did in 7th century. Ask any Muslim, even today Muslims dream of regaining Spain. At no cost must Israel make deal for Golan Heights, peace or no peace. Israel must retake Gaza and expel all Palestinians to Egypt.
I cannot visualize any conditions under which Israel would give up the Golan Heights. Syria would not offer anything substantial anyway. That land is too tactically important for Israel to give it up.
Now we must wait and see what the Bush people say. Will there be a condemnation or silence.
If America found it unacceptable that Saddam Hussein had WMD (which the Russians removed to Syria), and we're 6000+ miles away, then it is doubly unacceptable that Israel tolerate WMD next door.
Syria is supplying this stuff to Hezbollah, and sending insurgents into Iraq. They're also hosting a Russian naval base, and I hear Bashir likes heavy metal rock.
What does it take to bomb Syria, a written invitation?
Syria should be careful what they wish for. Israel could clean up Syria overnight.
Glad to see Israel is not going to allow the Syrians and Iranians (not to mention Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc..) to act with impunity anymore. Perhaps Olmert has learned some lessons from last summers screwup...
This is the correct way to deal with weapons aimed at you by people bent on your annihilation. I'm really surprised Olmert allowed this though but still, good for him.
Pythagoras, if Putin is really arming Syria, he's really shortsighted. But US is guilty of the same sins and not just in the Balkans and Afghanistan. I totally agree with Allahfanculo's assessment.
If America found it unacceptable that Saddam Hussein had WMD (which the Russians removed to Syria), and we're 6000+ miles away, then it is doubly unacceptable that Israel tolerate WMD next door.
Syria is supplying this stuff to Hezbollah, and sending insurgents into Iraq. They're also hosting a Russian naval base, and I hear Bashir likes heavy metal rock.
What does it take to bomb Syria, a written invitation?
Pythagoras, interesting speculation about Putin and Islam. I hadn’t heard that before (that I can recall, anyway).
“Trust me. the Russians are SO much BETTER than any islamist person!” – Allahfanculo
True enough (but that’s hardly a compliment to the Russians ;-) ). Seriously, though, I find it curious that we are obsessed with “being nice” to the Muslims (no matter what idiotic sacrifices that demands), but we scarcely give a thought to others (such as the Russians).
As far as “that's the Israel we all know and love” (Foehammer and Infidel Pride), I couldn’t agree more. Sometimes it seems that Israel has more guts than most of the west put together…
Pythagoras, interesting speculation about Putin and Islam. I hadn’t heard that before (that I can recall, anyway).
“Trust me. the Russians are SO much BETTER than any islamist person!” – Allahfanculo
True enough (but that’s hardly a compliment to the Russians ;-) ). Seriously, though, I find it curious that we are obsessed with “being nice” to the Muslims (no matter what idiotic sacrifices that demands), but we scarcely give a thought to others (such as the Russians).
As far as “that's the Israel we all know and love” (Foehammer and Infidel Pride), I couldn’t agree more. Sometimes it seems that Israel has more guts than most of the west put together…
Pythagoras, interesting speculation about Putin and Islam. I hadn’t heard that before (that I can recall, anyway).
“Trust me. the Russians are SO much BETTER than any islamist person!” – Allahfanculo
True enough (but that’s hardly a compliment to the Russians ;-) ). Seriously, though, I find it curious that we are obsessed with “being nice” to the Muslims (no matter what idiotic sacrifices that demands), but we scarcely give a thought to others (such as the Russians).
As far as “that's the Israel we all know and love” (Foehammer and Infidel Pride), I couldn’t agree more. Sometimes it seems that Israel has more guts than most of the west put together…
umm, oops...how the heck did that post three times??? :o
Iran? Iran who? Oh yes, THAT Iran; the one that's right here on my map and ... say, wait a minute!
I do NOT see Iran on my map! Can someone please explain Iran's disappearance from the map!?
WHAT IS GOING ON?
Very strange; country's just come and go so quickly these days.
witness,
look for the great big green bowl-shaped spot east of iraq, west of afghanistan, and north of the persian gulf...that's where it USED to be! Now it looks like a great big nastily popped zit!
(/sarc)
lol
"The good thing about the ass hatted moslems buying the Russian junk - is that it generally doesn't work. The one exception being the kalishnikov"
from post above
Wish it were always so. Unfortunately, the Kornet proved to be all too effective against the Merkavas in Lebanon.
The poster's referring to PURELY & ORIGINALLY russian equipment, not including that which is based on technology we've so aptly coined as "introduced" by their "greatest inventor":
"RegUS PatOff"
lol
A shame Nancy Pelosi wasn't visiting the facility.
It wouldn't surprise me if she did...and said nothing.
Good job by the IDF! Hope they keep it up!!
I'd be interested in knowing what it was they bombed.
Talk less and strike hard- a winning policy for Israel in the past and a way to deal with problems in the present, too.
I wonder how long it took Assad to call Nancy Pelosi and tell her to 'cut off the funds to Israel'.
Don't believe me???
Give it two weeks and you will see Pelosi start positioning against Israeli weaponry and money.
It will evidence of who Pelosi is representing.
WMD of some sort transfered from Iraq to Syria explains 2 things. Why we never found any in Iraq and why Assad has become so mouthy after our invasion.
It seems that Russian Hardware never made a difference.
High Tech. Toys for Dummies.
Meanwhile, Dennis Kucinich joins Nancy Pelosi in lauding terror-sponsoring Syria, while roundly bashing the U.S.
Here's one of the more surreal quotes:
Kucinich said Assad was receptive to his ideas of "strength through peace."
Sounds like something you would have heard about the old Soviet Union from apologists during the Cold War.
Here"s a link:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57506
allahfanculo:
Russia violated Afghanistan's sovereign rights as a nation when it invaded it in the late 1970s (Islamic or not). Afghanistan did NOT attack Russia and neither was it any position to do so.
Russia does not deserve ANY sympathy on this matter at all and JW posters need to give this tired defense of Soviet-Russian foreign policy a rest-- permanently. Pushing Russia out of Afghanistan was not a pernicious act in view of the fact that Communism is no more acceptable than Islam is from a moral standpoint. Both are indefensibly brutal, totalitarian ideologies. America was after all involved in a war with the Comnmunists that the RUSSIANS started anyway (they invaded Afghanistan to fulfill the Communist Manifesto's agenda to Communize the world by dint of violent revolution). I do agree however that it was a mistake for the CIA to train the Taliban rebels as they were bound to turn on the US (which of course it DID).
Older people from Hungary who lived through both Nazi occupation of Hungary in the 1930s and Russian occupations of Hungary in the 1950s have stated that the Russians actually managed to make the Nazis look GOOD in comparison (which could NOT be easy). That's how nasty the Russians really are.
And by the way, Communism is responsible for more than 160 million murders worldwide during the mid 20th century. So please,
Forget about defending the Soviets here. Doing so is an affront to people living in free societies.
Bravo! The last thing the world needs is whacky Muslims with nukes...
Posted by: Rachel at September 12, 2007 4:29 PM
+++++++++++++++
the paki's have multiple nukes............
and............
the militant muslims have numerous nukes in America.............
do you feel safer??????????
Israel must retake Gaza and expel all Palestinians to Egypt.
Posted by: khalsa
Agreed. They must also liberate Judea and Samaria after they are done with Gush Katif.
Jordan is as good a place as any for all these lost "souls".
As for pythagoras.. I can see you really hate the "Soviets". I am talking about Russians here and not Soviets.
And yes, they KNEW the danger and islmist Afghanistan posed to them on their southern border.
Imagine an islamicized Mexico top our South or - more likely even - an islamicized Canada to the North of us.
Would you expect the United States to stand by while they supported "insurgent" attacks on US territory...?
I can see you really hate the Russians..er.. Soviets as you call them.. hate makes blind you know?
They are NOT islamists. The Russian PEOPLE do NOT believe that you and I and everyone who is not a Russian should be killed, ok?
Compare that to the KKKoran!!!!!!!!!!
I do not want to hear any further moralizing onb the Russians. We all have countries that have done something or other at some time..
And I am NOT going to make a list here unless I really really HAVE to.
Conpared to the historical record of islam it is all child's play!
Syria and nuclear weapons?
Isa 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
Syria - best keep your buns on the other side of the Golan Heights. Your moon god won't save you from the wrath of the God of Israel.
"...possible nuclear installations that Israeli officials believed might have been supplied with material from North Korea. ..."
..."might have been?..."
texican
"the militant muslims have numerous nukes in America"
how is this possible? do you have any proof links? please i'm interested in how you know this.
leon
....surely you don't really believe the government will tell you what they know.....(I believe they should tell you what they know, even if it irritates all those Muslims now in the US and worldwide, it is time we really expose Islam as the death cult that it is)...
"WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government has been monitoring radiation levels at more than 100 mosques, homes, businesses and other sites in and around the nation's capital and at least five other cities since Sept. 11, 2001, providing further evidence law enforcement officials suspect terrorists have secreted nuclear or radiological weapons inside the country.
On July 11, 2005, we first reported on al-Qaida's decade-long plans to detonate nuclear devices in seven major U.S. cities simultaneously in an operation it calls "American Hiroshima."
In numerous cases, reports U.S. News, the monitoring required investigators to go on to the property under surveillance, although no search warrants or court orders were ever obtained.
The nuclear surveillance program began in early 2002 and has been run by the FBI and the Department of Energy's Nuclear Emergency Support Team, or NEST, according to the report.
The other cities monitored include Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, New York, and Seattle.
As reported, former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams describes how al-Qaida has already purchased some post-Soviet mini-nukes and hired Russians to help them operate them. The report was first published in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter.
Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents.
As first revealed last week in the G2 Bulletin, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents.
The series of attacks is designed to kill 4 million, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.
At least two fully assembled and operational nuclear weapons are believed to be hidden in the United States already, according to G2 Bulletin intelligence sources and an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams.
The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership.
Osama bin Laden's goal, according to G2 Bulletin sources, is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are Aug. 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, Sept. 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
The captured terrorists and documents also suggest smaller attacks may take place on American soil before the nuclear incidents. They may include some involving automatic weapons at schools and shopping malls, but will not include any airplane hijackings. Why? Because bin Laden does not want any failed efforts to overshadow "the success of Sept. 11." There will also not be any attacks on U.S. nuclear power plants. The rationale? The nuclear power plants can act as force multipliers when the weapons of mass destruction are detonated.
Another requirement dictated from the top at al-Qaida is that the attacks take place in daylight, so that the whole world will be able to see the images of a mushroom cloud over an American city.
One of the sources for the information is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, who is now in U.S. custody.
As previously reported by G2 Bulletin, al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union - including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.
U.S. military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces "Spetznaz" troops to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons planted in the U.S. during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years. Al-Qaida sources indicate they would prefer to use Russian-made weapons for symbolic reasons.
The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."
At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.
But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan.
According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.
"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."
According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.
However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.
Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.
Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.
According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan."
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....for maximum body count, the Muslims will detonate these small, but effective bombs at times of heavy human congestion, rush hour, a parade, a major sporting event, and in a locale with the most dense human habitation...
....some time back (and it was reported in a televison news special), a test was conducted...a nuclear device entered through the marine shipping system, transported through several states by truck and rail, and not once at any of the various inspection stations was the device detected....
....it is plausible to say that if we cannot detect such a device, (even if we are looking), then the Muslims certainly can deliver such a device....
.....although the US is the primary target, do not rule out any Non Muslim country as a possible target....
....we really do need to stiffen our immigration policies and we really do need to Ban Muslim Immigration...
Just a general comment.....
The UK is pandering to Muslims big style and I can't see things improving.
I think it would be great if the USA gave the UK an ultimatum....
Decide who are your friends...the US, Canada, Australia etc or the devious filth that has constructed over 1300 mosques in the UK, over half of which, according to the police, are teaching their "zoid" members.....NOT TO MIX WITH THE ENGLISH KUFFARS
The situation is critical and freedom of speech is disappearing slowly but surely
Personaly, I want all muslims to sent back to their homelands because here in the UK, the 2nd and 3rd generations are militant non-integrated and are calling for Sharia law.
I think open war needs to be declared on Islam with a veiw to banning it in advanced western countries...
Islam.....a religion or a cult?
Born into an islamic family......you will be brainwashed as soon as you can comprehend reward and punishment.
You must obey or your family will be in dishonour.
Toe the party line....or else...
Dissent or criticism of the party is verbotten
Outsiders are your deadly enemy
Only our beliefs are correct....everyone else is wrong and their ideas are to be eliminated.
If you do not agree with the rules at any future time and decide to leave......we will find you and kill you.
DOES THIS SOUND LIKE THE VOICE OF AN INFINITE ALL LOVING AND UNDERSTANDING GOD/INTELLIGENCE IS IT MORE LIKE THE RULES ACCORDING TO A DEVIOUS PILLAGING PAEDOPHILE DESERT BUSINESSMAN
Hmmmm.......difficult choice
Salman Rushdie did the world a massive favour in exposing the vile death cult of Islam.
I think he will be revered in a Copernican sense some day in the far future when man evolves into something rather more than a superstitious desert peasant with a western AK47.
In response to pythagoras:
"Older people from Hungary who lived through both Nazi occupation of Hungary in the 1930s and Russian occupations of Hungary in the 1950s have stated that the Russians actually managed to make the Nazis look GOOD in comparison (which could NOT be easy). That's how nasty the Russians really are."
You obviously don't have a clue about World War II or European history. What nazi occupation of Hungary in the 30's are you babbling about?
Hungary was an ally of Germany during World War II and not a nazi-occupied country. And it was Hungary that attacked Russia first when they participated in the nazi invasion of Russia in 1941. Just as Hungary took part in the nazi invasions of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
And why don't you ask the Hungarian Jews who they think was worse. More than half of them were exterminated by the nazis and their Hungarian allies not by the Russians.
Here is an excerpt from the blog of the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) correspondent in Jerusalem, dated 11/9/07:
"There's a joke going around Jerusalem which sums up Israel’s national character. It goes like this:
"The Olympics are coming up and Israel is desperate to find a sport where it can win a medal. Soccer? No. Track and field? Not really. A sports official thinks: how about rowing? He knows the English are good at rowing so he calls a friend of his living in London who also happens to be a Mossad agent. "Moshe, can you do us a favour? Go down and spy on the English rowing team. We need to know what we're doing wrong." The next day, Moshe rings back. "I went down to the river," he says, "and guess what? They have only one guy shouting and the other eight are rowing. We've got it the wrong way around!"
"The joke captures something essential about Israeli life: it seems everyone has a view and feels they have the absolute right to express it ... loudly.
"That's why the last week has been so weird in Israel.
"Big things have been happening – yet, from the politicians, there's been absolute silence. It's a frightening silence, a silence so uncharacteristic that Israel's newspapers have devoted pages to analysing it.
"First off was the case of the Israeli fighter jets flying into Syrian airspace and being chased out – indeed, shot at – by Syria's air defence. Syria claimed it was an act of aggression and threatened reprisals. What did Israel say? Nothing. Not a word. Days on, it still hasn't. After all this silence, journalists have concluded something major happened, but most importantly that it's a sign of renewed self-confidence (after the "defeat" of last year's war in Lebanon) that Israel doesn't feel it needs to talk about it.
"Second was an equally curious case: the apparent abduction of a high-level Hamas official from the Gaza strip in an undercover Defence Force operation. It was, by any measure, a daring action. According to reports, an Israeli soldier disguised as an old Gazan man "fell over" on his walking stick, prompting the targeted Hamas official to come to his aid, at which point he was whisked away, out of Gaza into Israel. It was the sort of manoeuvre that Israel has been famous for in years gone by. Think of how Mossad agents captured Nazi leader, Adolf Eichmann, in Argentina. But on this occasion not a word.
So something is up – but what exactly?
Sooner or later, someone will talk and we'll all know for sure.
Silence. Rotten, awful silence." (He then mentions the fact that Olmert has been talking with Abbas but NOBODY knows what they have been talking ABOUT).
I may add that Hardaker wrote a rather good op-ed a little while ago, about conspiracy theories in the Middle East. He got through it without once alluding to 'Muslims' or 'Islam' (though all his examples featured Muslim Arabs propounding things he plainly, rationally, declared to be false and absurd). But he does seem to be twigging to the pervasive 'culture of falsehood' - one hopes it will make him less inclined to believe, or to uncritically report, elaborate and emotional 'Palestinian' claims about supposed Israeli 'atrocities'. Now he just needs to realize that it is Islam - nothing else, just Islam - that is the petridish which nurtures that culture of falsehood, treachery and Big Lies that make Mao, Stalin and Goebbels look like rank amateurs.
Strikes me that when you're dealing with a culture of pathological liars like that, sooner or later you have to choose to disbelieve, on principle, everything they say, and rely only on what you can yourself observe of what they have done, or are doing. Since they, of course, either disbelieve everything YOU say (projection), or else count on you being a naive patsy who keeps your word, you yourself are best off saying nothing and committing to nothing. Stay out of the web of lies altogether. Promise nothing. Say nothing. Work out what they are in fact doing. Respond, overwhelmingly - WHAM. Time to remember the lessons of Orde Wingate.
Maybe we can start to say, of Israel, as Professor Higgins said of Eliza - 'my God, I think she's got it!'
Perhaps this was such a shocking 'goosing' for the Arabs because they have gotten used to Olmert being a wimp. But even a worm may turn.
I posted this on the later thread above...
yes, duplicate posting, but for the right reaons.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3449145,00.html
It makes things a lot more interesting about what the fallout on this will be.
...and of course, here's the latest.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece
Interesting.