"Under Syrian law, an honor killing is not murder..."

The great Muhammad (piss be upon him) would be so proud of this law.

Which is greater? The "dishonor" of some sexual encounter,or rape?

Or the repaired "honor" when murder is committed?

The perps have lost far more "honor" than any victim of theirs.

Where is the honor of a lengthy jail sentence as happened recently in the UK to the mother-in-law of the victim ? Some honor!

Guess this concept escapes them.

Killing your defenseless daughter, sister, niece is honorable?

Yep, I want to become a Muslim...................NOT!

And the majority of liberals support this country instead of Israel. Truly mind boggling

NYTS? All part of the homosex agenda I guess.

A sentence from the article: "But it is widely agreed that honor killings are found disproportionately in Muslim communities, from Bangladesh to Egypt to Great Britain."

On account of that, this sad and excellent article could not be reprinted in Great Britain without complaints that it was islamophobic - and the murderous practice implicitly justified.

No wonder Islam appeals to all inadequate,bullying
and perverted Males-they can do what they like and GET AWAY WITH MURDER.' A crime by any other name is just as wicked-'Honour' indeed-these people need to be locked away for life or preferably shot by a Firing Quad so they could rejoin their Demon Allah A.S.A.P.

To be fair, it shouldn't be referred to as "honour killing". It makes it sound as though there's something wrong with it. "Honour disposal" would be better.

After all, these women are no better than trash that needs to be got rid of to keep the house clean.

Has anyone mentioned this to those pro-islam femminists in the West?

Just had a thought.........is OJ a muslim?

Proves Islam oppresses women bigtime.

The reformists will not admit the problem is with Islam. Instead they blame the Napoleonic code for allowing such a law on the books.

"just had a thought.........is OJ a muslim?

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi "

...probably no religion at all....if he were a Muslim he would be the same kind as H.Rap Brown, aka Jamil al_Amin....cop killer....

The credulous KATHERINE ZOEPF states early on: "...the police who discovered her feared that her family, as commonly happens in Syria, would blame Zahra for the rape and kill her; how these authorities then placed Zahra in a prison for girls, believing it the only way to protect her from her relatives."

I'd like to see a little more proof on KATHERINE ZOEPF's assertion that "these authorities then placed Zahra in a prison for girls, believing it the only way to protect her from her relatives."

This type of incarceration of the victim while letting the rapist go would be novel in the world. Yes -- under extremely rare circumstance we in the West also incarcerate people (witnesses) when mobs and sinister organizations may murder them for fear of their testimony. But simultaneously we are gunning for the criminals, and only incarcerate witnesses to protect them. Muslims are different. Arabs are different.

Within Islam, and especially Arab Islam -- rape of unescorted women is often viewed as just and appropriate -- it's far more likely that the authorities JOIN with her family in blaming the victim of the rape, and that her incarceration was punishment for causing it to happen.

This type of clumsy or deliberate obfuscation of Islam and Arabdom is a more subtle form of shilling for Islam and shilling for Arab gutter culture which we has become familiar in the West. But then this jumbled sob story is printed in the old grey trollop. No surprise there.

his uncle had given him the phone so that he could call and tell the family that he’d killed his sister. We learned later that they had a party that night to celebrate the cleansing of their honor. The whole village was invited.”

A party. A murder party. The whole village at a murder party.

Is this what we want to have in the west?

Stop muslim immigration.

"Has anyone mentioned this to those pro-islam femminists in the West?"

Celsius, et al.,

yes the pro-islam feminists are aware BUT, their 'spin of b.s.' on this is that,

we have domestic violence here too so those are the same, or its a 'culture' issue only, or that its only the 'fundies',

then, of course, the high numbers of cases in Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, Middle East, etc of honour killings, rapes, child marriages, forced fgms, slavery,

well you see, they play then, dumb--they didn't 'know' or they do the usual, turn on the deaf and dumb mental ear and stubbornly close their minds, because you see,

they have more important agendas [to them that is] to protect, and for that, they must be at all times, anti-right wing,

because their concern, is ONLY over abortion rights [and of course, more so for middle class, the poor, well they are somewhat screwed there], pay scale, maybe rape and I say maybe, because today's feminism, which is diverse but the mainstream, MEN are targeted--but only 'white, western men',

all other men who are misogynist, well you see, thats because 'white men made them that way', [seriously, if you study or work long enough in the movement you begin to see the bullshit influences and brainwashing in mainstream feminism--that, or the other fallacy, the 'using sex appeal for empowerment, meaning, the pro-sex such as pro-porn movement, they are just as warped--IN FACT, these two movements have a lot in common with Islamist or Islamist feminists, women are mere holes, kids are meant to be raped, esp girls, why pro-pedaphile movements and porn industry supporters are usually some of the strongest supporters of cultural relativism, meaning, they have no tears for the thousands of women living under Islamic laws, or the children either],

Seriously, and I say this, as a feminist and its, again, due to the influx and influence of Marxist feminism, but more so due to Socialist feminism/post-colonial feminism which in my opinion, has poisoned feminism.

The LIE, the big LIE today, among the feminist thinking is that if there is 'unity' among women, including 'tolerating culture differences even if that includes misogyny' then, over time, women will shake off the bondages of male abuse, because its really the matter of male abuse, and all Abramic [sic] religions are the same when it concerns women,

they use the OT as their base to compare these religions, in their treatment of women. And thats how they then, turn a indifferent face to the cries of millions of women and girls and boys [and men too] who are forced to endure living under such hell on earth.

The Islamist feminists [NOTORIOUS LIARS I MIGHT ADD] then, sell the propaganda that Islam is liberating for women, that being covered in sheets avoids the sexual harassment and rape [yea I know, laughable] that is prevelant in the west, that when women are covered, they are treated with respect, etc.

But the LIE then, goes deeper...honour killings, they say are just a minority, like domestic violence here which they say, is more prevelant. That, believe me, is a crock of bull. The truth is, domestic violence is far more prevalent within Islamic countries==the DIFFERENCE, IN COMPARISONS TODAY, however, is that in the West, though it occurs and the system yes is flawed--it is ILLEGAL HERE, where as in Islamic nations ruled under Islam, beating your wife is NOT ILLEGAL,

in fact, ITS EXPECTED and EXHORTED AS BEING A GOOD THING.

Tell you what, seriously, what needs to happen, seriously,

is for those women, in the West, who are supportive or indifferent to the abuses to women under Islam, they should be deported and forced to live, in Pakastan, Bangladesh, Iran, Syria, Saudi, Somalia, and they should be forced to do so,for at least, two years. I say this because I have personally dealt with these stupid women and I really, have no tolerance or sympathy for them,

many of them, esp those in positions of prestige [within their work] or power, the bottom line is this: if they are preserved, if their power position, status, income, prestige, popularity, is preserved,

they will sell out thousands of women, to keep that power, position, popularity. [it goes with pro-porn/indifferent to trafficking/rape types of women too, same damn thing, as long as they benefit, to hell with the thousands who have to endure and/or live under the day to day nightmares].

I was thinking on something last night, I mentioned on one of my posts here, about leaders having the balls to proclaim Holy War back, I was referring to that term in a strictly political referrence, meaning, a Holy War, in that its time for there to be leaders who are not afraid, to stand up, and declare a war, in every way possible, against the most insideous belief/legal system out in the world today, which is Islam.

And I am no fan of Bush, or the right wing--but, but something stuck with me last night, and it was something Bush said,

'you are either for us or against us' and its in reference to a scripture, something Jesus said. But in the framework of which Jesus was speaking, he was speaking about those, who sit on the fence. And how this is relevant is this:

for a feminist, for any to say, they are FOR [for us that is] women's rights, human rights, then on the same hand, at the same table, say, they are for [against us that is] THOSE who rape, kill, slaughter, control, enslave, torture, women and children,

it just can't be...either feminists are FOR WOMEN, OR THEY ARE NOT. THERE CAN BE,

NO SITTING ON THE FENCE, WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, CHILDREN'S RIGHTS,

YOU ARE EITHER FOR, OR AGAINST.

The West, the ones who say they are pro-women, NEED TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS,

WHICH IS IT AMERICAN/EUROPEAN FEMINISTS, ARE YOU FOR WOMEN'S HUMAN RIGHTS, ALL OF THEM,

OR AGAINST THEM?

YOU CAN'T BE BOTH.

You can't be fighting rape, then in bed with a system that says, rape is acceptable because they are slaves or non-moslem.

You can't be fighting against imperialism and wage slavery [leftists, those who fight racism, etc] out there, if you are in bed with a system that says, slavery is the way of Islam [and it says so in the Koran].

You can't be a professor in college slamming your fist on the table screaming against colonialism and western imperialism/fuedalism/and raping of colonial peoples [which they did] AND balkanization,

then sit there and say that you are supportive of Hamas, Hezbollah, that they are freedom fighters, that you support Taliban and Sharia, that you dismiss the millions in history AND TODAY who are raped, enslaved, forced to convert, sold on auction blocks literally, in chains, countries balkanized, colonized through a process of slowly taking over and forcing Sharia and dhimmitude,

you are either against slavery and colonization and imperialism or you aren't, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

See here's the 'key', they will say, Western Imperialism==translating,

WHITE

seriously-peel away the layers of the academia/neo-liberal/socialist KAKA,

but Arab/or Islamic Imperialism, well see, thats acceptable, especially if its Africans and Asians, who are under it. [the other RACISM THAT THE APOLOGETICS OF ISLAM, DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE]

Want the best example of HYPOCRISY, among feminists as well as the neo-liberal or left rich,

the, 'slamming rich white neo-cons for having illegals work as domestic maids, remember those scandals'

but now, if its a neo-liberal or better yet, a Moslem, who has a house full of young girls/boys, sold to them, via chains and gang raped, starved, given drugs, passports taken or they were kidnapped from their parents to pay off debts or maybe they were non-Moslems,

well see, now Thats o.k. according to the apologists of Islam. See thats different because its not some rich old stereotypical liberal slant/media image [though yes it happens] man/woman, who hires an illegal or two to work as their servants...see That, the feminists and liberals/apologists will scream about,

but when its a Moslem, an entire Moslem nation, then its different--its not imperialism or slavery, its 'culture'.

And of course, to them, under 'culture' the 'slaves' well see, they are not like us, they somehow embrace and enjoy their slavery and rapes, because you see, its their 'culture to do so',

that, my friend, is your typical stupid ass thinking of the mainstream left/socialist feminism and neo-liberal KAKA that is

sitting on that fence, apparently so much, that the fence, has impaled them to the point, where their brains, do not function.

and they, esp the FEMINISTS, WHO ARE PRO-ISLAM/INDIFFERENT/AND SOCIALISTS WHO CLAIM WORKERS RIGHTS, NEO-LIBERALS WHO CLAIM SEPARATION OF 'CHRISTIANITY AND STATE, ISLAM NEED NOT APPLY THERE' AND THE ANTI-IMPERIALISTS WHO DEMAND REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY IN AMERICA BUT ARE OKIE DOKIE WITH SLAVERY IN DARFUR, SOMALIA, ETC., are most definately not

for us, not for WOMEN, not for CHILDREN, not for AFRICANS OR ASAINS OR INDIGENEOUS PEOPLE *, not for CIVIL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM 'FROM' RELIGION, AS FAR AS RELIGIOUS LAWS AND BEING FORCED TO LIVE UNDER RELIGIOUS LAWS YEA HEAR ME ACLU AND HEAR ME LOUD, AND FOR ALL THOSE IN ACADEMIA/POLITICS WHO SCREAM REPARATIONS AND ANTI-COLUMBUS DAY AND THE AWFUL RULE OF WESTERN CIV TOWARDS PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO

IN TURN, CLAP THEIR MENTAL HANDS WITH GLEE WHEN ISLAMISTS INVADE VILLAGES AND RAPE ENMASSE AND BUTCHER AND THEN THEY JUSTIFY SLAVERY,

they are most Definately not for HUMANITY.

they are instead, in support and celebration of the INHUMANE,

so, Bush was correct,

you, are either for HUMANITY or against HUMANITY,

there is no sitting on the fence, choose your sides America/Europe, and choose your fate. I choose HUMANITY,

which of course, makes me an enemy of Islam, I choose Women's Human Rights/Children's Human Rights, which automatically makes me, an enemy of Islam,

you see, you can't BE BOTH. the Koran states it,

you can't be AGAINST SLAVERY, RAPE, TORTURE, KILLING, MASS MURDER,

AND be supportive of Islam, the Koran states it.

Choose your sides...and obviously, the Western Mainstream Relativists, have chosen theirs, i.e. feminists who are pro-Islam,

they are definately not for me, or any other woman or child--they SCREAM IT, WITH THEIR SILENCE SUPPORT AND ACCOMODATION,

and Bush, I am, For Us.

We, here all are, we are for, Humanity, and That,

my friends, is what "MERCIFUL", REALLY IS. God is LOVE, LOVE--THAT IS MERCY,

ISLAM IS A LIE.
Tasha

* on Indigeneous peoples,

I want to add here too, for any Native American Indian group to be tolerant or apologetic to Islam,

is about, the most dumbest thing I've ever heard or seen....

I would strongly suggest, that pagans, and animists, do a thorough research, on how Islam, treats pagans and animists and 'earth/mother earth' believers,

you think the western white Indian killers were bad--

you have no IDEA, of how bad, the Islamists will be, if they get their way.

You won't have Holy Burial Grounds or Music Ceremonies, nada--

it just befuddles the mind, to see Native American Indians, working on the anti-Columbus day projects, all gung ho 'comrades' with Islamists who as soon hang them, if they had the power to do so,

same goes for the Azteca movement too, your 'reconquista' thinking your comradeship with Islamists are going to be your victory, those are the dumbest their is....seriously,

once the Islamists gain power over you, you can forget, your Chicano anything. Your women will be open fields, literally, your Aztec and Mayan Gods/Goddesses and Temples will be smashed to ruins,

Mosques built into their place,

they will make your ancestors 'colonizers' look like meek in comparison.

And for African Americans to refer to slavery, then to embrace Islam==I don't know what to say to THAT STUPIDITY,

if I was a cartoonist, it would go something like this,

a white masta, a white village, an auction block with the big ship behind it at the shipyard, a Black naked woman, pregnant, kids at her side, all in chains, fat white nasty mean man buys her, rips her from her kids, takes her home and rapes and rapes her,

and that is horrid, it happened, the other caption,

shows the same thing today, en masse, in parts of Africa and Asia, but this time, its Moslems, not white men,

and there are African Americans looking, at the auction block--saying while their Black sister is being sold and raped--

"praise Allah, its 'only' culture, its a good thing, its more merciful than white man's slavery", anything to jab at the white west....to kill the white devil,

as for our African sister [who will be getting her clitorous and labia hacked off, then chained to a bed, gang raped or raped, forced to clean floors for burka clad wives],

its ok with us. [and in Darfur, etc., this is EXACTLY what is happening]

That--THAT IS THE TWISTED LOGIC/THINKING,

OF THE POST COLONIAL APOLOGEST OF ISLAM TODAY.

and to think we have that Iranian Thug in our country--is just intolerable, period.

Does Columbia even know, how many University Students in Iran right now, are being whipped and raped and beaten and hung--for wanting the slightest freedom?

or is Columbia THAT STUPID????

Tasha

So let me get this straight...the girl was kidnapped and raped and all her family could think of doing was killing HER?

The guys in this family, along with the guys in all the other pro-honor killing Muslim families SHOULD be ashamed because they are not men. They are effeminate, whiny, girly men. Did it ever dawn on them to go out and find the perps, i.e., the men who commit these crimes against their daughters and stab them in the head and back five times? I guess they are afraid to stand up to other men, which makes them way beneath the likes of European men, even fictional ones like Romeo and Tibalt.

And I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that they don't feel guilty for doing this to their own flesh and blood. If they suppress their guilt perhaps that is what makes them such psycho automatons.

....what would they do if a young son was kidnapped and assaulted by gay Muslims....would the youngster be killed also?.....and the boy could not produce any witnesses?...

"And I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that they don't feel guilty for doing this to their own flesh and blood. If they suppress their guilt perhaps that is what makes them such psycho automatons."

Thats just it though, THEY DON'T FEEL GUILTY, and THATS THE MOST DISTURBING THING OF ALL,

that they are SO BRAINWASHED beyond NORMAL human emotion/rational, that slaughtering their own blood/children especially,

doesn't phase them, one bit. There was recent case in UK, not only did the father hire/pay uncle and other men [and the older women too were aware] to kill his own daughter, but to rape her as well,

and then, they LAUGHED, THEY LAUGHED IN THE DAMN COURTROOM, about how they beat her, this twenty something young woman, choked her, raped her repeatedly and STOOD ON HER NECK TILL THE LIFE WENT OUT OF HER, AND LAUGHED THE ENTIRE TIME,

THIS IS ISLAM.

make no doubts about it, and THIS IS WHAT UK GOV IS WELCOMING AND PANDERING TOO,

obviously ours too, which is sickening.

It defies all common sense, even a person with an IQ of 65, would know SOMETHING IS TERRIBLE about these actions/behaviors,

but to millions of obedient snared Moslems, they see nothing wrong with this.

THATS HOW MUCH THEY HATE WOMEN.

its not just that their knuckles are dragging the ground, its that they HATE WOMEN, that much.

So to kill a woman, IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, LIKE SQUASHING A BUG,

AND PEOPLE, USUALLY HAVE SOME FEELING WHEN STEPPING ON A BUG, A SMIDGEON AT LEAST,

but not with Moslems, they have more empathy for stepping on a cochroach,

than they do, in butchering and raping their very own daughters. That, that right there, should scare every rationale human being there is....

and yet, today, a sad day in America, we have one of the leaders of such filth and misery, on our soil. If there ever was a reason for revolution in this country,

that is it. As far as I'm concerned...they should arrest his sorry ass for Crimes Against Humanity right there at Columbia--AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS.

Tasha

Well, it's more than hate. It's absolutely demonic, and I don't mind saying it. There is supernatural agenda here too, and we need to find a way to combat it, even if it means denying our own egos and submitting to God Who can help us do something about it.

You are right about arresting the monkey man. Let's see if any of our elected officials have the testosterone to do it. Maybe we're surrounded in this world by girly men. Although I don't get that feeling from Robert and Hugh and the other guys who regularly post here, and for which I am eternally thankful.

Loud applause for Natasha.

Now for a practical illustration of the difference between a Western society and Muslim society: when I was a young teenager I lived in a remote country area of Australia. We were friends with another family, working-class Catholic Irish-Australian. One of the teenage daughters of that family got pregnant to a thoroughly worthless young man. As I recall, the family closed ranks around the girl. Meanwhile her dad, her maternal uncle, and MY dad had a 'talk' with the young man, to impress upon him the necessity of never having anything further to do with the girl. He disappeared in a cloud of dust and no-one ever heard from him again - good riddance to bad rubbish.

The girl had her baby, and it was welcomed and reared within the family, alongside its mother's youngest sibling, born around the same time. A grandchild is a grandchild is a grandchild.

Anywhere in the Muslim world, that girl would have been murdered by her own family. And Islam prides itself on its superior virtue...(spit!). And it wants to impose its hideous sharia law upon the whole planet, upon all six billion human beings.

Now, I am a Christian. But as I observe the demonic ruthlessness with which Islam assaults, degrades and destroys women, it seems to me that if Muslims refuse to know and honour the feminine as Shakhti, as Shekhinah, as Hagia Sophia, as Yin, then (metaphorically speaking) in the end they will be forced to experience it as Kali.

Natasha, Girl, you're my hero. You need to become a public speaker. You are articulate and straightforward. This message needs to ring out around the world. I love your truth and I hope you pursue it.

On a more hopeful note:

From Asharq al Awsat:

Saudi Religious Police Attacked by Girls

24/09/2007

By Sultan al-Kholaif

Dammam, Asharq Al-Awsat- Members of Khobar's Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice were the victims of an attack by two Saudi females, Asharq Al-Awsat can reveal.

According to the head of the commission in Khobar, two girls pepper sprayed members of the commission after they had tried to offer them advice.

Head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice in the Eastern province Dr. Mohamed bin Marshood al-Marshood, told Asharq Al Awsat that two of the Commission's employees were verbally insulted and attacked by two inappropriately-dressed females, in the old market in Prince Bandar street, an area usually crowded with shoppers during the month of Ramadan.

According to Dr. Al-Marshood, the two commission members approached the girls in order to "politely" advice and guide them regarding their inappropriate clothing.

Consequently, the two girls started verbally abusing the commission members, which then lead to one of the girls pepper-spraying them in the face as the other girl filmed the incident on her mobile phone, while continuing to hurl insults at them.

The Eastern Province's head of the commission also revealed that with the help of the police his two employees were able to control the situation.

The two females were then escorted to the police station where they apologized for the attack, were cautioned and then released.

Even when a country is pressed to prosecute the so called "honor" killers they violators find a way to circumvent the system. In Turkey now they are having an upsurge in whats termed Honor Suicide. Since the authorities have prosecuted and jailed killers the victims are now being told they have 30 days to take their lives or they will be killed.

finallya place where it's legal to kill your mother in law as long as you claim it's an honor killing I can see a lot of Westerners inviting their mother-in-law's for a vacation and honor killing in Syria stuff like this is more proof of just how backwards Muslim country are and that they still living 1700 years in the past and not advanced one bit