I haven't posted about this sooner because I agree that "he's playing a game with someone. If he's doing that, he's doing it for the reaction." I have no idea what particular game he's playing, although obviously this is most likely a bid for more lenient treatment within the prison. Highly committed believers don't often discard their faith, but of course, it does happen. "Twentieth hijacker" Zacharias Moussaoui and shoe bomber Richard Reid are in the same prison; will they now try to kill him for his apostasy?
"Al-Qaeda terrorist 'converts to Christianity,'" from News.com.au (thanks to all who sent this in):
THE mastermind of the first terrorist attack on New York's World Trade Centre claims to have converted from Islam to Christianity.Ramzi Yousef, a self-proclaimed Muslim extremist with past links to al-Qaeda, plotted with others to blow up the twin towers in lower Manhattan. Six people died in the February 26, 1993, bombing.
Yousef was sentenced to life in prison plus 240 years for the New York bombing and another on a Philippines Airlines plane in 1994 in which a Japanese man died.
A report to be broadcast on 60 Minutes in the US this weekend claims Yousef has now converted to Christianity but the former warden of the supermax prison in Colorado has scoffed at the claims....
Robert Hood, its warden from 2002 to 2005, told 60 Minutes Yousef was a special case.
He never left his cell because he did not want to face the indignity of a strip search required for recreation, he said.
When told that Yousef had begun leaving his cell and now claimed to be a Christian, Mr Hood said: "He's playing a game with someone. If he's doing that, he's doing it for the reaction ... he is the real deal.
As a Muslim, Yousef prayed almost every hour, Mr Hood said.
The strategy should be to provide Bibles instead of Qur'ans to Islamic terror prisoners, in Gitmo, and everywhere else.
YAWN....
He's just doing what most prisoners do, "oh I found religion", except in this case it's "oh I found YOUR religion so now be lenient please as it says in YOUR bible"
What denomination did he convert to: Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism?
Good, now he can sell his old Quran as a collectors item on E-Bay, and spend the next 240 years reading the Bible...
LOL duh_swami!!
He may be playing a game, but I say let him tell his story. See if he repudiates the violent aspects of Islam; see if he's prepared to blow the whistle on his "unindicted coconspirators; see if he understands what Christianity is about; see if he bears fruit consistent with being a follower of Jesus. I agree with the jailer that this fellow is "the real deal". So was St. Paul. In christ the worst of sinners can become the greatest of saints; that's what Christianity is about -- the transformation of lives in ways that are impossible humanly speaking.
Nevertheless I think the probability of this is low, and chances are he believes that this will get him off scot free.
Whether the conversion is real or fake, however, if he does not know now he will discover soon enough the meaning of separation of church and state: While Christ (and christians) may forgive him for his sins, if repentance is genuine, the state is obliged to carry out justice based on his actions, not the current state of his heart. Forgiven in christ does not mean "no longer culpable before the secular authority for past wrongs". Even if the conversion is genuine he should not receive any special leniency or gentle treatment, except in keeping with the standard protocols of the secular American prison system.
Genuine conversion or not, may God have mercy on his soul. Though I despise their ideology, I cannot hate these men.
This conversion does look very suspicious, but maybe he's for real. Time will certainly tell if he's converted to Christianity or not -- especially if his Muslim cell mates threaten to kill him. Nothing like looking down the long blade of a knife to reveal ones TRUE faith.
I'm prepared to believe it. I believe that most Muhammadans, certainly most extreme Muhammadans, have never had a good look at Jesus, The New Testament, The Gospels, Sermon on the Mount, Jesus' warnings of a false prophet, etc.
Stuck alone in a jail cell, this devout jihadi maybe had a chance to read something besides the mind-numbingly stupid drivel of the Korant. And my God, the language of the Bible compared to the idiotic, drooling, ravings of the muhammadan war manual.
I encourage all muhammadans to renounce the hoax of islam and encounter the living God.
I tend to believe he HAS converted to Christianity because for me it's a No-Brainer to choose Christ over Muhammad. Only a fool would stay stuck in Islam.
Islam: It's kinda like finding out vampires are for real.
This ones an interesting case. As an investigator with an interest in forensic pschology I would like to interview him during his so-called conversion.
But I hope it wont mind it I dont stick around as long as he's going to be there :)
Hey, he might want ham for Thanksgiving.
Greetings:
I'm on the hoax side of the evaluation.
So, I find myself in prison and then I find Christianity.
How do I end up on 60 Minutes?
Well then, he won't mind eating the bacon and other non-halal food, eh?
Apparently an ex-policeman, who has become a Church of England vicar has an ex-Muslim congregation in Bradford. He was featured on a recent UK channel 4 Dispatches documentary about attacks on Muslim apostates in the UK.
The immigration authorities refer asylum seekers who claim to have converted to Christianity to him: he is a specialist in working out if they are for real or not, and it seems an individual can take several months of observation and interviews before he is willing - or otherwise - to confirm their sincerity.
"Stuck alone in a jail cell, this devout jihadi maybe had a chance to read something besides the mind-numbingly stupid drivel of the Korant. And my God, the language of the Bible compared to the idiotic, drooling, ravings of the muhammadan war manual."
Ynkedoodl2,
I agree with you, this could be for real. Actually, I don't believe that a person must necessarily read the Gospels to find Jesus. I believe that any person who asks God for truth, and that person has an open heart, and a real willingness to accept what God tells him, God will respond by revealing the truth to him.
Jesus said that "any man that has an open heart will hear my words."
It is because most Muslims have their hearts closed, and nailed shut, from their births that they are doomed to live and die in spiritual darkness.
Jesus told the Pharasees that "Because you say you know the truth, you can't know it. If you said you do not know the truth, you can know it."
Again, he's talking about an open heart.
Maybe -- just maybe -- this man opened his heart up for a brief moment, and God honored his open heart with an answer.
If he's just jerking people around, he'll pay dearly for it.
If he really did find Jesus, he's been released from a far worse prison than the phisical one he's in now.
Sounds to me like we forced him to become a Christian, because otherwise he wouldn't get the slightest decent treatment. After all, the poor guy wasn't even allowed recreation while he was a Muslim.
It's obvious. Either they don't strip-search him now because he's not a Muslim, or his own conscience (as a Christian) now allows him to be strip-searched.
Either way, it's horribly degrading treatment, and proves that America is at war with Islam, and further, can't even live up to its own standards of human rights that it pushes all over the globe.
Somebody from CAIR will be claiming something like the above, pretty soon.
Kittman, anyone?
Concerned Citizen has a point: if you want to know whether the conversion is real, just serve him a hearty breakfast of Bacon, eggs and pork saucages.
If his cellmates kill him for conversion, well, then he gets his martyrdom wish. In Christianity a martyr is one who is killed because of refusing to abandon his faith; in Islam a martyr is one who is killed in the process of trying to kill others for his faith. A bit of a difference. If the conversion is only a subterfuge, it is nevertheless part of the chain of events precitipated by his attempt to kill the kuffar, and even if killed at the hands of coreligionists, this would then count as martyrdom. If the conversion is genuine, and he is killed for professing faith in Christ, this satisfies the definition of Christian martyrdom.
I'm not sorry to say that, in the latter case he cannot look forward to 72 virgins -- the Christian heaven is not a brothel. Indeed, not a lot of specifics are revealed to us, but we do know that, in essence, heaven is the presence of Christ, so whatever it involves, it is a far sight better than a passel of sex dolls. And it has one definitive advantage over the "islamic heaven": it's real.
Many Christians wont eat pork either. Whether you will eat it or not is not a good test to see if you have converted to Christianity. The Bible says that you have to confess that Jesus has come in the flesh "your flesh" and that you will know them by their fruits.
I hope he is honest, because I am curious if he would come clean on TWA flight 800 in 1996, if that was a terrorist attack, because there is compelling evidence that Ramsey Yousif's organiztation planted a casio-watch/liquid explosives time-bomb under the seat above the center fuel tank in a successful attack resembling Philipenes air flight 43 a year earlier, and the thwarted British Airway plot busted in England last year.
Read more at Peterlance.com
How many of you morons are buying this just because you believe what he now claims to believe?
QUESTION FOR ROBERT AND/OR OTHER EXPERTS...
First let me just chime in and then I'll ask my question.
It takes an abundance of courage for a Muslim extremist to leave that oppressive cult and even more so to profess adherence to Christ. He would certainly have a target painted on his forehead if he did so.
I for one would stand up and applaud him for his courage to embrace the Truth under the most difficult persecution and pressure. It's a shame that people, even Christains, are ridiculing this.
I understand that he might be "playing games." But my question is this: does the Koran ALLOW a Muslim to even CLAIM to have abandoned the Muslim faith...even under FALSE PRETENSES? It seems to me that that would be condemned by Mohammed and Islam bc it promotes Christianity and shames Islam. Are there any examples in the Koran or other Muslim texts were this is specifically addressed? Please advise. :)
Who gives a damn if he's a Christian, a Moslem or anything else? He's a convicted murderer, and responsible for 3000+ deaths, and he'll die in a steel box. If he thinks that a "conversion" will give him some advantage, he's in for a surprise. The Bureau of Prisons does not take such things into account when the prisoner is facing "life plus 240 years". I guess he's gotten bored reading the Koran 24/7 and wants a change in reading material.
Hope springs eternal. Because 60 min is announcing does not mean a thing. They wouldn't know a Christian if he came up and kissed him.
If he is real, and I thank the Lord if it is, he has a wonderful ministry. Read about Paul in Acts if you want to see how God can use someone like this. As someone said above the following verses apply to this man's confession. It also applies the "the religion of peace".
Matt 7-15-20
"Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are really wolves that will tear you apart. You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You don't pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles. A healthy tree produces good fruit, and an unhealthy tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can't produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can't produce good fruit. So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit that is produced."
مات 7-15-20
"حذار زاءفه الانبياء الذين يأتون متنكر في زي غير مءذيه الاغنام ، ولكن في الحقيقة ان الذئاب سوف المسيل للدموع وبصرف النظر لكم. يمكنك كشف لهم عن طريق طريقة التصرف ، تماما كما يمكنك تحديد شجرة بها من الفاكهة. انك لا تنتقي من العنب شوكة الشجيرات ، أو التين من الاشواك. صحيه جيدة وتنتج شجرة الفاكهة ، وغير صحيه سيئة وتنتج شجرة الفاكهة. شجرة طيبة لا يمكن ان تنتج الفواكه سيئة ، وسيئة ، لا يمكن ان تنتج شجرة فاكهه طيبة. ذلك ان كل شجرة لا انتاج الفاكهة الطيبة الكريمه هو أسفل ويلقي بهم في النار. نعم ، في الطريق الى شجرة او تحديد الشخص الذي هو
Did someone tell him that doesn't get him out of prison?
Also i would rather his existance not be acknowledged from now on.
He has his new life now and his new world.He should not be allowed back in this one and we shouldn't have to see his.
And of course he has a plan just like all the other rats he has only time to make mischief wherever he can.
Might be real. Might not. Either way he spends the rest of his life in prison, and the rest of the muslim world remians angry, hostile, in darkness and in the cross-hairs.
from above post: You don't pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles.
So that's what's wrong. No wonder my fingers are so sore. I wish I would have known this earlier...I spent a fortune on bandages...
Maybe this chap has learned that islam is not a "religion of peace" but is "Cancer of the Soul". I for one hope his conversion is real.
Islam... Cancer of the Soul.
Hmmm, I'll wait to pass judgment. Let's see what he says and does in light of his "conversion".
"Either way, it[i.e. strip-searching] is horribly degrading treatment, and proves that America is at war with Islam, and further, can't even live up to its own standards of human rights . . . ."
Posted by: Goob
let's re-word that to read: "Either way, they [the bomber-merderers] are horribly degraded people, and prove that Islam is at war with America, and further, can't live up to any standards of human rights."
It's between him and his maker; Jesus called it right -- by their fruits, you shall know them.
Uh HUH...
so...he "coverted" to Christianity, eh?
Gee, isn't that nice?
NOW he will rot in prison for the rest of his life as a christian instead of a mOslem.
His showboating accomplished nothing in the eyes of the public here.
lol
It's between him and his maker; Jesus called it right -- by their fruits, you shall know them.
Send Ramzi Yousef the bobble-head Muhammad (www.dashboardmohammed.com) If he proudly displays it in his cell, perhaps his conversion is real.
Re: Al-Qaeda jihadist claims to have converted to Christianity
Bullshit. These demented Moussaoui types are drawn like moths to flame with their hallucinatory vision of an ideal society. They are not unlike the mass murderers in the former USSR who saw the killing of millions of Ukrainian peasants as the prelude to a perfect egalitarian world of collective farming, with the killing of unbelievers being the necessary step before perfection. That ended in mass starvation in the USSR. People like Moussaoui are similar to Nazis rationalizing their killing of "subhumans" before a new order of super men can come into reality. They lie to everyone and themselves about reality and their followers are like Fibrahim Hooper believing in Jim Nutter.
Ramzi Yousef, Moussaoui, Nazis etc. are all the same.
Easy enough to claim conversion to a new religion. Time will tell if he is for real. And if he is for real, it could be a very good thing for infidels.
Imagine if he goes a bit further and not only proves his conversion, but denounces Islam publicly and presents a condemnation of Islamic jihad in a manner similar to other apostates whom we know are some of the best witnesses to the corrupting nature of Islam, such as Ibn Warraq, Hirsi Ali, and Ali Sina. Of course he wouldn't be allowed to do the talk show circuit but he could provide a popular voice, one that many people yet unaware of the nature of Islam, might be interested in listening.
Of course it could all be a hoax, but others have converted (Walid Shoebat) and they tell a compelling story. Yousef's noteriety could help open some infidel minds where others could not.
That should get him out by next Christmas.
The nutroots will buy it, CNN will peddle it like a revelation from Muhammad, and the NYT will blame the government for keeping him in jail.
Predictable.
It struck me today at shabbat services that in Judaism there are a lot of warnings about divine vengeance, and how that contrasts with the Koran's many calls for human vengeance. The Koran is more emotionally satisfying, as it gives one a greater sense of power and control, but also encourages moral vigilatism, which can lead to terrorism.
Tookson asks:
Yes, Tookson, Mohammed does in fact allow this, with the provision that in his heart the muslim still believes. Indeed, he praises such acts as great deeds when they are used to gain advantage for Islam. This is called taqqiya Look it up on this WikiIslam page . Taqqiya was introduced for just this type of subterfuge. Look it up in Wikipedia for the full story . This is from contemporary islamic teaching: "The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a
time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from
physical and/or mental injury." Here's a related verse quoted in the above site: the words of Mohammed in Bukhari's ahadith: " "(Verily) we smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people)."
Taqqiya (lying, even about matters of faith!) is generally used to gain an advantage over an enemy. It is forbidden to use against muslims. Its two main uses are to protect onesself from negative consequences of professing one's faith in a hostile situation, and to gain a military advantage when attacking an enemy for the sake of Islam. One of Mohammed's companions used this form of dissimulation to get close to one of mohammed's critics and then murder him when he was off his guard. The companion had Mohammed's permission beforehand praise for it afterwards, saying that his companion's profession of unbelief (because of the context in which it was used) was a much better deed than many people's profession of belief.
Australia: Airports look to ban Islamic headscarves
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/14/airports-look-to-ban-islamic-headscarves/
Good News!
Good news for modern man...
No soul is beyond redemption... but keep him on a short leash just... once a jihadist, always jihadi crazy... with sudden relapse.
ThankyouMr.MohammedofAllah, but not all souls are doomed to go to your sex paradise in the sky, which sounds really sick perverted... Thankyoubutnothankyouverymuch.
"render unto caesar..."
so no matter what he randers unto God, he still owes "caesar" a debt: life-no parole, and no exceptions.
The end.
lol
Mr Hood said: "He's playing a game with someone. If he's doing that, he's doing it for the reaction ... he is the real deal.
Maybe, maybe not.
Prison sometimes does change people.
Those long hours alone means you have plenty of time to think. And who knows, ..., maybe there are some real Christians around Yousef.
But yes, it could be a game.
Time will tell.
Some Muhammedan is vilifying you here Robert:
Sat 13 Oct 07 (05:00pm)
Once upon a time we had the pamphleteers, who spread their bile and poisoned a generation of Western minds giving us a holocaust, but the financial gain they made from spreading bile was limited, they just did if for the “love” of performing what they believed to be a public service.
Today we have the likes of Robert Spencer, spreading the same bile and as his alter ego, Hugh Fitzgerald, advocating ethnic cleansing and concentration camps for the target of their hate, as you have also done on those blogs as your alter ego sheik yermami. Though today Robert Spencer makes a pretty good living from spreading such bile, whereas you are just wasting time and money.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hate_weasels/#commentsmore
Makes zero difference what he does...zero.
If he turns out a liar, he will die a liar in prison.
If he's a converted Christian, he will die in prison a Christian.
He will spend the rest of his natural life in prison.
End of story.
Nothing will change that.
z-e-r-o...n-a-d-a...z-i-l-c-h...n-u-l-l-...N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
The issue as far as any parole is closed.
It is indeed possible for the Holy Spirit to now dwell within his heart. But if true his behavior will markedly change. He will confess his sins, and do everything he can to prevent future Islamic terror attacks, and to witness his conversion to other militants.
Let's see what he does next.
His sentiment is simply, not true.
It is indeed possible for the Holy Spirit to now dwell within his heart. But if true his behavior will markedly change. He will confess his sins, and do everything he can to prevent future Islamic terror attacks, and to witness his conversion to other militants.
Let's see what he does next.
"How many of you morons are buying this just because you believe what he now claims to believe?" Posted by Infidel Pride
If he had claimed to realize that religion was not for him, he would be harshly concemned. If he had converted to Taoism, he would be condemned.
what this person does AFTER his crimes should have no bearing on his sentence.
lets discuss his lifestyle choices in 240 years...
NEXT!
Sorry, all you hopefuls, but I wouldn't trust Mr. Yousef's words as far as I could throw them. No how, no way.
"His sentiment is simply, not true."
Posted by: awake at October 13, 2007 10:53 PM
Agreed, awake.
Darcy,
I don't normally ask for outside assistance in debate and I know that no one here in this community is obliged in any way to offer it, but I must ask for assistance in this matter, just to make sure there aren't any obvious angles that I have missed to refute the exchange linked below. Robert's reputation "may" be at stake.
http://muslimmethod.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/a-response-to-robert-spencer-and-others/#comment-69
Regards,
awake
He's either sincere or he isn't. Regardless of sincerity, his prison sentence should and will remain the same because past crimes cannot be exonerated by future events, including conversion to a pacifist religion, which Islam definitely is not. However, should he be sincere, surely there is a ray of hope here that other radical Mohammedans will follow his example and thus make the world a safer and better place to the exact extent that there are fewer such Muslim folk.
After all, Muslims leaving Islam, and thus becoming ex-Muslims, should be looked upon by those of us who see Islam for the diabolical ideology which it is as part and parcel of the methodology and approach which must be employed to eventually triumph over the world's most intolerant faith. By all means supply imprisoned Muslims with the Bible, deny them the Koran (as one would Mein Kampf to an incarcerated neo-Nazi), add Shakespeare, Samuel Johnson and Mark Twain to the proffered tomes, and hope that reason will triumph over blind zealotry. What's there to lose?
Additionally, Ramzi Yousef has changed his allegiance from the New York Giants to the Denver Broncos...
Bingo:
ROFL!!!
Well, look at Indonesia where those caught with drugs suddenly say that they have become Muslims.. like hell they have, and like hell this man has..
The Quran says that they can lie for the cause of Allah, even pretending to take the faith of their captives, as long as they don't mean it in their hearts..
"Who gives a damn if he's a Christian, a Moslem or anything else? He's a convicted murderer, and responsible for 3000+ deaths, and he'll die in a steel box. If he thinks that a "conversion" will give him some advantage, he's in for a surprise. The Bureau of Prisons does not take such things into account when the prisoner is facing "life plus 240 years". I guess he's gotten bored reading the Koran 24/7 and wants a change in reading material."
Posted by: kenprice
I'm with you, Ken. I personally wouldn't care - and wouldn't believe it, either - if the entire ummah suddenly claimed to have "seen the light".
Can we think of a better reason than this to keep religion as a personal journey, not in the public square to be utilized for politicized gain. I can't.
I think his rejection of jihadism should be reflected in his sentence.
Instead of being eligible for parole after 240 years, he should now be eligible after 120 years.
He probably thinks we treat Christian criminals the same way Indonesia treats mass murderers i.e. give them parties at the warden's house.
He probably thinks we treat Christian criminals the same way Indonesia treats Muslim mass murderers i.e. give them parties at the warden's house.
Hi awake, I only just saw your message to me from last night.
I read your exchanges with Rasheed and...you got it going on! You are right, end of story, Robert's "rep" has nothing to worry about.
Of course 5:33 sanctioned Theo Van Gogh's murder. Rasheed is a liar. He's practicing "taqiyya."
It never ceases to amaze me how Muslims think that Westerners can't read, interpret, and draw conclusions, lol! They really think they're superior - it's funny. Newsflash: Critical analysis is the cornerstone of Western Thought, while Mohammedans just wander about like zombies chanting "allah, allah!"
The 60 Minutes segment should be interesting. I'll be looking for evidence of the 5 basic events, combined, that mark conversions in the New Testament:
1. Hear - the message of the gospel (of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ)
2. Believe - faith
3. Repent - and turn away from sin
4. Confess verbally faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior
5. Baptism - (full immersion) in water for the forgiveness of sins
If Yousef is serious, he will have already done the above. Yet, as several others have mentioned, we will only know whether or not he's genuine by the fruit he bears.
How about a convincing book denouncing his former beliefs, encouraging Muslims to find their true salvation in Christ, and walk in love, donating all proceeds to help Christians being persecuted by Mo's commandos? That would be a nice start!
OMGNowWhat, love the moniker.
I'm with those who say it just doesn't matter legally. If it is true that he has heard the voice of the true God, great. Now he can spend the rest of his life in repentance, but I'm not counting on it.
Maybe I'm just paranoid but I think he's sednding a signal to someone
Hi everyone,
This is my first comment because I couldn't contain my indignation at this "conversion" news!
I've been following this website on and off for a couple of years and I've also been reading about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Islamic history generally. One great book is A Thousand Years for Revenge, which outlines the part Yousef played in the attacks on the World Trade Centre in 1991 and 2001. The man is an explosives expert and a master of disguise.
I believe that Yousef is using taqiyya for his own ends; whether it's to avoid a strip-search or to get closer to his fellow prisoners who could pass messages on to the Old Country, time will tell.
The news is full of dangerous prisoners who manage to conceal a homemade weapon of some sort on their person or who get messages back to the criminal underworld. Considering that this man has killed so many, perhaps a strip search is for his guards' security!
Also, considering that jihadi men are willing to dress in women's burkhas to disguise themselves, I would consider this "conversion" as a mindgame Yousef is playing with all of us. Maybe he wants to be interviewed on 60 MInutes?
Being a Canadian, I'm not familiar with United States laws regarding life emprisonment. Even if someone is in prison for life, doesn't that mean they can get parole after 25 years for good behaviour? And isn't their case reviewed every 5 years to see if their behaviour is improving? I'm willing to bet that Yousef's case is up for review and he wants to be awarded privileges.
Thanks for letting me share these thoughts.
I still can't believe this hasn't been laughed down yet.
Too many are thinking of it as if the state level where there's a parole board.
The US Federal Government penal system has NO parole board...none. Once you're sentenced there, that's it-you serve ALL of it, period.
Because there is no parole board, there is zero chance of this *ahem* conversion of his ever influencing A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Only way he will leave prison is one of two ways:
1) in a body bag/coffin from death
2) Presidential pardon
...and nothing else whatsoever.
Since osama...err, I mean obama, has less than zero chance, a pardon isn't gonna happen, as even HITlery wouldn't even consider it (and that's giving her a LOT of leeway)-not...gonna...happen.
Life with no parole in federal system means "the rest of his natural life with NO chance of early release". States have parole boards (and that's pathetic enough), the federal level has NONE.
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
He...will...die...an...old...man...in...prison...period.
Nothing...will...change...that...period.
End...of...story
It's a dead horse issue, let's stop beating it.
Case closed.
Capice`?
It's been several days since this news surfaced.I have yet to here a peep out of any muslim, imam, cleric. It takes the majority of muslims about a minute to respond to a freaking cartoon. Do they know something we don't? Any way jcom's right. the guy's in there for ever. So, c'est la vie.
He "converted" to Christianity long enough to get his sentence reduced by some bleeding-heart, sob-sister liberal judge, aided by the Leftist American Communist Liberation Union (ACLU). He's playing a game; and someone, sometime, somewhere will fall for his garbage...if we're not careful! Keep a wary eye on this clown!
I think I finally figured it out.
First, we hear he's converted to Christianity.
Next, we'll hear he really converted back to Christianity.
Finally, we will hear he was really a Christian when he plotted the WTC bombing, and then W can lump him together with Timothy McVeigh, as a "professing" Christians who blow up things.
If his conversion proves to be true, I say we reduce his sentence to 220 years.
He can spend the rest of his life proselytizing against the Jihad and against conversions to Islam, which something that is sorely needed in the prison system, as a way to atone for his crimes.
Islam: by their nuts you will know them.
I don't know or care if it's true but it's bound to cause some angst in islamic/jihadist circles if they believe it. I can't imagine what his motive would be if he is lying. From what I've heard about that prison, these men never leave their cells except for an hour a day of solitary exercise time, if they're model prisoners. They get one fifteen minute, monitored phone call per month and their correspondence is limited to pre-approved contacts, also monitored. They can't even look out the window and see the outside world. This place is the ultimate prison nightmare and I imagine many inmates probably go insane from lack of human contact. Even society's most hideous monsters are human and they are given the necessary sustenance to remain alive and physically healthy, but I doubt if their mental health is a priority. They all deserve the punishment they are getting and I don't pity them in the least.
If he did convert to Christianity, perhaps he will find true peace, something islam could never give him. Maybe it finally dawned on him that islam is what put him there.
Oh, I hope so, hope so, hope so!!!
Please, everyone, pray for him.
If this is true, what a message it would be! The two religions couldn't be any more different.
Archimedes2:
Thanks for the reply. It seems you provided an excellent example drawn from the life of Mohammed himself. I'm surprised that taqqiya goes that far, to even denounce their faith in Allah and Mo, but truth is inconsequential to those under Satan's dominion. (John 8:44)
Archimedes2 thanks for nailing this one on the head. I still would not totally dismiss it as a true conversion. ONly God sees the heart but only time will tell us. He should not derive any more leniency bc of this however.
thx again
CBS 60 minutes/Sunday covered ADX in CO's H-Unit (home to the shoe bomber, Richard Reid), Wadhi Al-Hajj, Zacharias Moussaui and Ramzi Yousef. Prisoners in this unit are permitted to receive only approved mail and a single monitored 15 minute phone call per month.
It appears that Ramzi Yousef is one of two prisoners in an even more restricted area of this ADX, identified as Range 13. Absolutely No human contact, not even from the guards.
CBS noted the 'strange' changes taking place with Ramzi. He supposedly has renounced Islam, has even converted to Christianity.
Bullocks.
How the hell is that possible with no access to human contact. Who converted him? Who confirms it? Past Warden Hood believes Ramzi is pulling a fast one. Watch this segment online while available -
The final interview is with an ex-ADX inmate who describes this prison as "Isolation perfected". Several inmates have gone on hunger strikes or committed suicide.
Good. At least we've done something well.