By Adam Smeltz in CentreDaily:
UNIVERSITY PARK - The Western world may not hear this too often, but nothing in Islam justifies terrorism, a scholar on the Middle East said Thursday night.
WRONG. We hear all the time that "Islam is a religion of peace." See remarks by President Bush, President Clinton, Senator Reid, Secretary Rice, Prime Minister Blair, and just about every academic and journalist who have opened their mouths on the question.
“The root of terrorism — it doesn’t have anything to do with Islam,” Medhi Noorbaksh told a gathering of about 60 people in the Forest Resources Building. “ ... Terrorism in any shape is to be condemned.”Noorbaksh, an associate professor of international affairs at Harrisburg University, appeared here as part of the “Peace, not Prejudice” seminar series. Put together by the Penn State Muslim Student Association, the series is a reaction to “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week.”
Not THEM again!
That national theme week of events, inspired by conservative activist David Horowitz, brought former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum to campus on Tuesday.Santorum issued warnings against radicalized Islam, saying that most Americans don’t fully understand the threat. He also drew distinctions between Judeo-Christian culture and Islam in general, and painted the latter as a religion built more on control and dominance.
Noorbaksh, an expert in Middle Eastern politics and its intersection with Islam, offered a dramatically different presentation.
He underscored the religion’s past in education, capitalism, consensus-building and equity.
In fact, the faith promotes respect for diversity, including religious diversity, he said, quoting from Muslim texts.
“Muslims are obliged. ... You have to respect people of other faith,” Noorbaksh said.
Radical elements in Muslim countries — such as those that promote female genital mutilation or ban women from driving — do not stem from the religion itself, Noorbaksh said.
“Of course, we have a lot of authoritarian regimes in the Islamic world,” he said. “But it doesn’t have anything to do with the faith.”
Nope. Just coincidence.
He went on to tweak the U.S. government over its relationships with a number of those regimes. Some radical Muslims develop extreme ideologies because they’ve felt left out of the political process, Noorbaksh said.
You see, they had their feelings hurt. Well, that explains it. Murdering civilians is a perfectly understandable reaction. Could happen to anybody.
He said terrorists make up far less than even 1 percent of the global Muslim population of 1.3 billion.
Rest assured, an associate professor who couldn't identify a violent religious ideology if it walked up and bit him on the fanny promises us that there are absolutely not more than 13 million Muslim terrorists in the world today. I feel much better.
The funniest posts I've ever read at Jihad Watch are the hypothetical debates between jihadis and their academic apologists. It's hilarious to think about their reaction to the typical 'academic' dreck written above.
But who am I to question the guiding professor from the well (pbuh)?
"Rest assured, an associate professor who couldn't identify a violent religious ideology if it walked up and bit him on the fanny promises us that there are absolutely not more than 13 million Muslim terrorists in the world today. I feel much better."
-- Greg
Hey, that's just a "Tiny Minority" Greg, what are you, some kind of Islamophobe?!
Is the number of 1.3 billion Muslims a proven or generally accepted as correct number? Seems the claims of 7 million in USA were reviewed down to 2.7M by Pew, am I correct?
"UNIVERSITY PARK - The Western world may not hear this too often, but nothing in Islam justifies terrorism, a scholar on the Middle East said Thursday night."
Mr. Scholar, the Western as well as the Eastern world hears this tooooo often.
“The root of terrorism — it doesn’t have anything to do with Islam,” Medhi Noorbaksh told a gathering of about 60 people in the Forest Resources Building. “ ... Terrorism in any shape is to be condemned.”
Oh so it's noori. Mind elaborating on this "root of terrorism" ? For that matter, what exactly is "terrorism" ? Do you think that their are "freedom struggles" going on in Serbia, Chechenya and Kashmir ?
"He underscored the religion’s past in education, capitalism, consensus-building and equity.
The history of "educators", "capitalists", "consensus-builders" and equalizers. (I agree with you whole heartedly on the "equalizer" part, lots of areas that were once civilized are now, well, islamic paradises).
http://historyofjihad.org
In fact, the faith promotes respect for diversity, including religious diversity, he said, quoting from Muslim texts.
Yes we all know the kind of diversity, including religious diversity in places like afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia and bangladesh.
“Muslims are obliged. ... You have to respect people of other faith,” Noorbaksh said."
Until you are a majority, right noori ?
"Radical elements in Muslim countries — such as those that promote female genital mutilation or ban women from driving — do not stem from the religion itself, Noorbaksh said."
If you say so, noori, you are the "scholar", after all.
“Of course, we have a lot of authoritarian regimes in the Islamic world,” he said. “But it doesn’t have anything to do with the faith.”
THAT too ?
"He said terrorists make up far less than even 1 percent of the global Muslim population of 1.3 billion."
You actually counted them noori ? How about informing the global authorities who they are so the rest of the ummah can breathe in peace ?
As Brigitte Gabriel has said, "If you take Islamic out of the equation, there is no Terrorism."
My definition of SCHOLAR,(and also intellectual) people who attend school long enough and have the intelligence to take the TRUTH and pretzelize (twist) it into a lie, and to take a LIE and pretzelize (twist) it into the truth. Mere mortals such as myself, can only see what is happening everywhere Islam is allowed to flourish.
Well, well! Aren't the islamics at the same point now, where the xtian church was in the Middle Ages?
But who needs this kind of thing in the new 2st century?
I wish we could do an analysis, a throrough one - a study on the poor, suckers stuck in this sorry "religion"- islam. The islamics are as mentally twisted and confused as anyone can imagine. Doing mental gymnastics - because the koran itself was deliberately set forth to do it -one side the verses of compassion - and the later verses encourages to revenge and murder.
It's like a house divided - so that the average islamic is schizophrenic. Insisting it's a peaceful religion while the evilness of it.
Lemme take a wild guess: Medhi Noorbaksh is a Muslim?
Got it!
Islamic tolerance = you can have any faith as long as it's Islamic, that's a pretty good choice, don't you think?
The diversity like hijab/jilbab/niqab/burka comes automatically...
Not quite. The middle ages barbarism of Europe happened despite religion. The ten commandments are clear on the subject. Now there's a case of a hijacked religion by a tiny minority. We aren't exactly seeing the IFs violating the core tenets of their religion.
This is like a scientist getting up on a podium and telling the audience that Phlogiston Theory the real theory of combustion and says that the fact that there has been no phlogiston research since 1750 is the result of political suppression of those who believe in phlogiston. That "scientist" would be laughed out of town.
Medhi Noorbaksh, can bring his phlogiston theory of Islam and people actually believe him.
Darcy-- we still delete profanity as soon as we find it. I've made some edits/deletions above to reflect that.
And my apologies to Magooey-- I inadvertently checked the wrong box, causing an additional comment to disappear (need more coffee).
Thanks,
Marisol
Aren't the islamics at the same point now, where the xtian church was in the Middle Ages?
from a posting by allat
No, actually they're nowhere near where the Christian West was in the Middle Ages.
In the MA, the West had flourishing universities at places like Padua, Paris, and Oxford. In the 21st c, Islam has madrassas in Pakistan.
In the MA, the West established cities ruled by their citizenry rather than by royal or noble overlords. In the 21st c, Islamic countries are ruled by dictators, or ayatollahs, or princes.
In the MA, the West produced beautiful and innovative architecture like the cathedrals of Chartres, Reims, and Salisbury. So far, the Islamic world has not produced their equal.
In many ways, the culture and civilization of most of the countries that are now islamic were more advanced before the islamic conquest -- for example, Christian North Africa and the Levant, Sassanian Persia, and Buddhist Java.
"The ten commandments are clear on the subject."
You know, the Ten Commandments were taken by the Israelites from the Pagan Egyptian Book of the Dead. YOu know that, don't you?
Everything from the Judeo-xtian religion was taken from the Ancient Egyptians. You know that right?
How far back shall we go in re. to barbarism? The Romans were mean, but even they allowed religious freedom. Anyone could practice any religion they wanted, or not.
Tribals in Europe were egalitarian- i.e. social and women's rights. Feudalism - and livelong slavery and inherited social strata was only imposed when permanent kingship/ruler - instead of merit and elected leaders, was brought in in the Middle Ages.
Anyway, one doesn't need the 10 Commandments, anyone knows when they're doing wrong. Who was it that said: " The 10 Comamandments - when one is a good person, they don't need them, and when one is crooked, the Commandments are ignored anyway."
"In the MA, the West had flourishing universities at places like Padua, Paris, and Oxford"
In the West, in the Pagan West - in Ancient Times, there were flourishing Greek and Roman Universities and Schools all over North Africa, Hispania, Aquitania, Britannia, Magna Grecia, Egypt, Italia, etc.
In fact, everything we have today, is inherited from these Pagans.
God, I'm experiencing, deja vu.
Blessings,
"In the MA, the West had flourishing universities at places like Padua, Paris, and Oxford"
In the West, in the Pagan West - in Ancient Times, there were flourishing Greek and Roman Universities and Schools all over North Africa, Hispania, Aquitania, Britannia, Magna Grecia, Egypt, Italia, etc.
In fact, everything we have today, is inherited from these Pagans.
God, I'm experiencing, deja vu.
Blessings,
"Rest assured, an associate professor who couldn't identify a violent religious ideology if it walked up and bit him on the fanny promises us that there are absolutely not more than 13 million Muslim terrorists in the world today. I feel much better.
Posted by Greg at October 28, 2007 "
...13 million?...not many countries in the world have a military force this large or as fanatical as the Muslims....
....Ban Muslim immigration....
Allat wrote:
You know, the Ten Commandments were taken by the Israelites from the Pagan Egyptian Book of the Dead. YOu know that, don't you?
Everything from the Judeo-xtian religion was taken from the Ancient Egyptians. You know that right?"
Cites please.
Tribals in Europe were egalitarian- i.e. social and women's rights.
Again cites please.
Hey Marisol,
Sending my comments to the bit bucket in the sky is not nice! But anyway you apologized, so I'll try again :).
The academic wunderkind admits a 1% rate of active radicalism. Assuming a 1.3 billion population makes for a 13 million man armed force. Further this is backed by sympathizers. If estimates from surveys in the UK are accurate, we have about 25% or 300 million supporters.
It appears that the Nazi menace, dangerous and ruinous as its was, pales in comparison with the current problem.
Now please don't delete me.
Magooey
Dear Waltc:
Wait. You're asking for cites. You stand on the other side of the table, shouldn't you be the one presenting counterarguments. Why should I do your job for you? Do some research guy.
Anyway, you're not going to believe or accept my sources.
Ok - I couldn't resist:
From widely difference sources:
1- Ten Commandments
Out of Egypt
http://dwij.org/forum/amarna/2_cmndmts_book_of_the_dead.html
2- Sigmund Freud's "Moses and Monotheism"
3- Sir Laurence Gardner's extensive research, among which is the book "Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark."
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Let me on the Roman Tolerance. Which anyway can be seen by the extensive amount of temples around the Empire, and the absortion of many worships from t he East, including Mithra, who was worshipped by COnstantine the Great, along w ith xnity, until his death.
My citings on Ancient Roman religious tolerance:
url: Religion in Ancient Britain: Cauldron Beneath the Surface
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ancient_british_history/49567
url: Roman Religion
http://winelib.com/wiki/Ancient_Rome#Religion
Under 3 Culture
3.1 Language
3.2 Religion
And the books:
"Ancient Greek and Roman Religion" by H.J. Rose
"Caesar and Christ" (Story of Civilization series) by Will Durant
"Survivals of Roman Religion" by Gordon Laing
"Religions of the Roman Empire" John Ferguson
Let's get back on-topic.
The "expert" is a liar.
I read the Koran.
Here was has been said in the past about certain so-called experts:
"Expert texpert choking smokers don't you think the joker
laughts at you?
See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snied, I'm crying.
Semolina pilchards climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
Element'ry penguin singing Hare Krishna.
Man, you should have seen the kicking Edgar Allan Poe.
I am the egg-man, they are the egg-men,
I am the walrus, goo goo g' joob, g' goo goo g' joob."
Keep this 'tolerant' primitive 7th century war-cult 'religion' out of the 21st.
It's so easy, just keep them out. Restrict immigration from Islamic lands, and close down their war-machine command centers, what Moslems call masjids, and we call mosques. They have no place in civilized society. Remove 'Islam' from our world, and 'terrorism' simply vanishes. How difficult is that to understand?
Once they're gone, we can then afford to become tolerant, for Islam 'over there', as we are tolerant of all other religions. The trouble with Islam is that it is not tolerant of anyone else's religions, contrary to their words, which we know they lie. Whether 1.3 billion lie, or merely 1.3 million lie, makes no difference. They lie. "War is deceit", as their war high priest told them 1400 years ago. Keep these primitives out of the 21st century.
tolerant Islam is very tolerant as long as dhimmi pay the jizha to the Islamic overlords and kiss their backsides and live as second-class citizens as well there's all the murders done in the name of Islam over the centuries
“Once they're gone, we can then afford to become tolerant, for Islam 'over there', as we are tolerant of all other religions.”
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours
I wish I could believe it were that simple - but I cannot.
Left to themselves 'over there' they will plot a murderous nuclear hell for us “over here”.
As with all supremacist totalitarian ideologies, they must be met head on and defeated - totally. To do otherwise is to court our own destruction.
Into the dank and reeking caves we must go, to strangle those goblins that would challenge us – and tame and civilize the rest.
Kill the Jihadi, educate the Muslim.
Some info for the speculative allat:
The Book of the dead and the meandering list of commandments follows: Critically the first 2 commandments are not in the negative confession (Egyptians were polytheiests nor is the commandment not to murder(rahaz in hebrew refers to murder not to kill) nor is to honour your mother and father -there are a few similarities which merely proves moral codes were not unknown not that the Hebrews took their code from the polythiest Egyptians- also what of the two commandments that Jesus highlighted- they dont appear in the 10 commandments nor in the negative confessions but are taken from the Torah(not from the negative confessions)
Hail, Usekh-nemmt, who comest forth from Anu, I have not committed sin.
Hail, Hept-khet, who comest forth from Kher-aha, I have not committed robbery with violence.
Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have not stolen.
Hail, Am-khaibit, who comest forth from Qernet, I have not slain men and women.
Hail, Neha-her, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not stolen grain.
Hail, Ruruti, who comest forth from heaven, I have not purloined offerings.
Hail, Arfi-em-khet, who comest forth from Suat, I have not stolen the property of God.
Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not uttered lies.
Hail, Set-qesu, who comest forth from Hensu, I have not carried away food.
Hail, Utu-nesert, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not uttered curses.
Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
Hail, Her-f-ha-f, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have made none to weep.
Hail, Basti, who comest forth from Bast, I have not eaten the heart.
Hail, Ta-retiu, who comest forth from the night, I have not attacked any man.
Hail, Unem-snef, who comest forth from the execution chamber, I am not a man of deceit.
Hail, Unem-besek, who comest forth from Mabit, I have not stolen cultivated land.
Hail, Neb-Maat, who comest forth from Maati, I have not been an eavesdropper.
Hail, Tenemiu, who comest forth from Bast, I have not slandered [no man].
Hail, Sertiu, who comest forth from Anu, I have not been angry without just cause.
Hail, Tutu, who comest forth from Ati (the Busirite Nome), I have not debauched the wife of any man.
Hail, Uamenti, who comest forth from the Khebt chamber, I have not debauched the wife of [any] man.
Hail, Maa-antuf, who comest forth from Per-Menu, I have not polluted myself.
Hail, Her-uru, who comest forth from Nehatu, I have terrorized none.
Hail, Khemiu, who comest forth from Kaui, I have not transgressed [the law].
Hail, Shet-kheru, who comest forth from Urit, I have not been wroth.
Hail, Nekhenu, who comest forth from Heqat, I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.
Hail, Kenemti, who comest forth from Kenmet, I have not blasphemed.
Hail, An-hetep-f, who comest forth from Sau, I am not a man of violence.
Hail, Sera-kheru, who comest forth from Unaset, I have not been a stirrer up of strife.
Hail, Neb-heru, who comest forth from Netchfet, I have not acted with undue haste.
Hail, Sekhriu, who comest forth from Uten, I have not pried into matters.
Hail, Neb-abui, who comest forth from Sauti, I have not multiplied my words in speaking.
Hail, Nefer-Tem, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have wronged none, I have done no evil.
Hail, Tem-Sepu, who comest forth from Tetu, I have not worked witchcraft against the king.
Hail, Ari-em-ab-f, who comest forth from Tebu, I have never stopped [the flow of] water.
Hail, Ahi, who comest forth from Nu, I have never raised my voice.
Hail, Uatch-rekhit, who comest forth from Sau, I have not cursed God.
Hail, Neheb-ka, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not acted with arrogance.
Hail, Neheb-nefert, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
Hail, Tcheser-tep, who comest forth from the shrine, I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the Spirits of the dead.
Hail, An-af, who comest forth from Maati, I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
Hail, Hetch-abhu, who comest forth from Ta-she (the Fayyum), I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.
My G*d, Tommy, you'd have to be a lawyer to absorb that lot! I definitely prefer the Reader's Digest version; ten (especially dropping the 'polluting oneself' from the masterlist...;) )
Well - I like the Ancient Egyptians - their civilization was the most vibrant and egalitarian and spiritual they has ever existed on this Planet.
Polytheism is only the knowing that God is in all things - that we, humans are part of Nature - and so there is a respect and a cooperation - a working with Nature.
What makes Monotheism superior to Polytheism? Why because Monotheist SAY SO! That's why!
You - dirty Pagans, (whip whip ) you Heathens, you...are...going...to.. believe.....in only One...God...even if we.. have to beat (whip whip).. it into you! Even...(whip whip) if we have to cut...off...your heads!
Allat - A Polytheist
allat-
Don't even mention Pantheism.
"Polytheism is only the knowing that God is in all things - that we, humans are part of Nature - and so there is a respect and a cooperation - a working with Nature." -- Allat
Shirk! Off With His Head!
Expert presents Islam as tolerant
With a expert here, and an expert there, everywhere an expert.
That word is being debased every day.
“The root of terrorism — it doesn’t have anything to do with Islam,” Medhi Noorbaksh told a gathering of about 60 people in the Forest Resources Building. “ ... Terrorism in any shape is to be condemned.”
I'm not buyin it, especially after all the cheering folks in the mooselimb world after 9/11. I'll never forget those images of dancing men and women in the streets after the buildings came down. Never.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/GavePeace.jpg
Name ONE regime in the Islamic world that is NOT authoritarian. One, just one. Anybody?
Do apologists for Islam read the Qur'an? Or do their lips get tired?
Davegreybeard said
But "left to themselves" should never be interpreted to mean "allow them to develop weapons of mass destruction". Our military actions should be restricted to removing their ability to harm us; attempts beyond that to convert them to our values is not worth our time or money.
Yes...
... and No.
Yes, and No.
We have to accept that there will always be other viewpoints in the world that do not match our own, and that are in conflict with our own. If we were today to magically conquer every society on the face of the earth and enforce the adoption of our values, by noon tomorrow new pockets of anti-Western values would develop; which, given that we just hypothetically conquered the world and imposed our values, might be understandable. "They" are going to hate us, no matter what we do. Accept it, and move on.
You cannot expect the world to share all your values, when I'm pretty sure you would agree that 50% of the people here in the U.S. do not share all of your values (I'm referring to the "dhimmicrat" "traitors", the "demonazi" "leftards" that some posters like to go on about). Even within conservatives, there is a range of opinion on values. Conquering is overrated. Tolerance is not as sexy or impressive or tidy, but it allows us to move on with our lives, rather than spending our resources trying to "save" others from themselves.
There's nothing wrong with advocating for our own beliefs, or using a little pro-Western propaganda to win a heart-or-mind here or there. But to set as our goal to conquer Dar al-Islam and not leave until they love us and share our beliefs is not realistic, IMHO.
UNIVERSITY PARK - The Western world may not hear this too often, but nothing in Islam justifies terrorism, a scholar on the Middle East said Thursday night."
"Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
....it seems to me that "every stratagem of war." ....would certainly include any form of violence...including terrorism....
...as usual the Muslim lies....
Ban Muslim Immigration....
Terrorism is a method. There were 14,555 incidents in 2006 alone.
Islam is the ideology behind 90% of all modern-day terrorist attacks.
That means 13 million Muslims involved (or soon to be involved) in another ~13,099 each year.
I'd say that's pretty d*mned linked.
Got it, Noorbaksh?
“We have to accept that there will always be other viewpoints in the world that do not match our own, and that are in conflict with our own.”
We do not “accept” classic style nazis (except as tiny groups well infiltrated by the FBI). This is precisely how we should view Islam and “accept” it.
We would not “accept” a murderous threat let loose in our neighborhood, free to strike our families at the moment of its own choosing. Islam is in the same category as the Third Reich and the ideology that went with it – the sooner we reach this conclusion, the sooner we will all realize what must be done.
“If we were today to magically conquer every society on the face of the earth and enforce the adoption of our values, by noon tomorrow new pockets of anti-Western values would develop; which, given that we just hypothetically conquered the world and imposed our values, might be understandable.”
It is not about “conquering every society that disagrees with us”; it is about conquering the ideology that threatens our existence – and ONLY those that threaten our existence.
“Tolerance is not as sexy or impressive or tidy, but it allows us to move on with our lives, rather than spending our resources trying to "save" others from themselves.”
It is not really about “ saving others from themselves” this is only a by-product of what we must do to ensure our safety.
“But to set as our goal to conquer Dar al-Islam and not leave until they love us and share our beliefs is not realistic, IMHO.”
They don’t have to love us, just renounce Jihad – which, as we know, means renouncing Islam.
“Conquering is overrated.”
There is no substitute for victory.
Davegreybeard said
There are fascist skinhead nazi groups in Europe. We don't conquer Europe and force all the nazi's to renounce nazism. It's none of our business, until a nation's government becomes nazified, and starts building up weapons to attack us. Then we destroy that ability to attack us.
In our neighborhood? Who said anything about "accepting" them in our neighborhood? They need to be removed from our neighborhood and sent back to Dar Al-Islam, where they will feel more at home living under sharia. They need to be stopped from coming back into our neighborhood, ever again, period.
Put a gun to their head, and they'll happily renounce Jihad, Islam, and Allah. Because deception is justified in their religion. And as soon as we put up the "Mission Complete" banners, they'll be right there, standing right behind us. With a suicide belt strapped to their chest.
Victory != Conquered. We conquered Iraq: we removed Saddam, removed the Baathists, destroyed the Iraqi army, installed an interim government. But we didn't achieve victory, if we foolishly define victory as when the Iraqis live in peace and harmony with one another and with their neighbors. We also didn't achieve victory, if we more wisely define victory as increasing safety for ourselves; because we are talking about increasing the number of Iraqi "refugees" we will allow into our country; because we now lack the national resolve to remove Iran's actual nuclear weapon threat; because the number of jihadists has not decreased in the 6 years since 2001; because we still have not defined who the enemy is.
Think of the horrible destruction that was required to end the second world war against fascism in Japan. Think how much bigger Dar al-Islam is than that small island. Would that be possible, while we are simultaneously claiming that Islam is the Religion of Peace? We don't need violence, we need honesty.
I don't disagree with you that it might be required someday, after we try separation first, and see how well they behave when left to their own devices; after we see how peaceful and tolerant they are with each other, without any more jizya from the infidels. But we're at least decades, if not centuries, from that point.
...or if they foolishly try another WMD attack against us, within our own country, then the gloves would come off...but again, it wouldn't be to "educate" or "save" them...
“There are fascist skinhead nazi groups in Europe. We don't conquer Europe and force all the nazi's to renounce nazism. It's none of our business, until a nation's government becomes nazified, and starts building up weapons to attack us. Then we destroy that ability to attack us.”
We are talking past each other. When Islam resembles the small skinhead groups in Europe (or in Idaho) we will have won – but not until then.
They ARE attacking us, which is why we are having this discussion!
“We don't need violence, we need honesty.”
Both are required. I believe more “honesty” than violence but still, definitely violence. We did not have to kill all the Germans to defeat the Nazis and we will not have to kill all Muslims to defeat the Jihadis.
I don’t think that you and I are that far apart on this issue, only in the extent that the struggle should be continued. What I am suggesting is a relentless campaign against Islam until it ceases to be any kind of threat to civilized people (like the nazis in Idaho). This would entail killing Jihadis wherever we find them, but mostly education via all forms of media. Islam needs to be exposed to the world for what it is and a clear and unequivocal comparison needs to be drawn between it and representative democracy.
Islam has had 14 centuries to learn how to live peaceably with its neighbors – it will not and cannot. To think that this ancient evil now threatens us AGAIN is astonishing; it will continue to threaten us as long as it is viable.
To “accept” Islam as any force in the world is to “accept” a rattlesnake in our house.
Fascist, murderous ideologies must be confronted and totally defeated, all of our history teaches us this lesson – we ignore this at our peril.
Davegreybeard said
Agreed, Agreed, Agreed, and Agreed. Regards.
ebonystone, you are so right, I am sick of people justifying what the Muslims are doing today by saying that the early people in the Bible were just as bad... When they watch Muslims forcing their children to submit and see them being raped, I wonder if they will try justifying their actions..
Yes there was wars in the beginning and Christianity has done some stupid things, but we have to remember that people were very easily lead as they could not read.. and yes the crusaders did some terrible things but we must remember why the crusaders started, it was to stop the march of Muslims as they raped, pillaged and killed across many lands..
Christianity has also done so many wonderful things, like schools, universities, hospitals, welfare, etc, what has Islam done, they have destroyed agriculture, and cultures of many places, where we lost valuable knowledge and they turned the lands into waste lands.. Mohammad hated agriculture..Allah does not like agriculture; He prefers jihad and plunder… (Sahih Bukhari, 3.39.514)
he didnt like music, The bell is the musical instrument of Satan… (Sahih Muslim, 24.5279)
Allah/Mohammad even hated the black man..Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.”
[9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”
So this is nothing like Christianity..
Tabari II:11 “Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”
Hmm, And the darker races flood to this religion..I wonder why, are they not told of this above.. of course not they are to valuable to use to help conquer the world..