Originally, you'll recall, we were told by CAIR's Ahmed Bedier that they were a couple of "naive kids" carrying "fireworks." Now we hear that Megahed had no idea what was in the trunk. Did Mohamed? Or did the Tooth Fairy drop by and leave 20 feet of fuse, a box of .22-caliber bullets, a drill, several gallons of gasoline, PVC piping and gun powder in their car without either one knowing about it?
Mohamed and Megahed Update: "Student Pleads Not Guilty to Bomb Charge," by Mitch Stacy for Associated Press (thanks to Block Ness):
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - An Egyptian college student accused of making an Internet video demonstrating the construction of a detonator for terrorist bombs pleaded not guilty to federal charges Wednesday.Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, remained jailed on charges of distributing information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction. His arraignment was set for Thursday.
Mohamed, an engineering student suspended by the University of South Florida, and another Egyptian student, Youssef Samir Megahed, 21, also are charged with carrying explosive materials across state lines.
They were arrested during an Aug. 5 traffic stop in Goose Creek, S.C., about 15 miles northwest of Charleston and near a Navy weapons station.
In the trunk of their car, according an FBI agent's statement, police found 20 feet of fuse, a box of .22-caliber bullets, a drill, several gallons of gasoline, PVC piping and gun powder.
The agent also said Mohamed's laptop contained a video he made demonstrating how to convert a remote-control toy into a detonator.
Mohamed said he made the video "to assist those persons in Arabic countries to defend themselves against the infidels invading their countries," according to the agent's statement. He said "he considered American troops, and those military forces fighting with the American military, to be invaders of Arab countries," the statement said.
The students told authorities they were carrying fireworks; Megahed's attorney now contends that his client didn't know anything about the items in the trunk.
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:
1) Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
2) Kitman - Lying by omission.
I didn't get anything like that even for all four wisdom teeth. But then, I didn't ask. So I guess I can't be sure.
I don't know who wreaks of more bs, the lying mooselimbs or the lying lawyers.
Gosh, Marisol, I got two kilos of RDX, 4 grenades, and an RPG. You got gypped!.
Original story: The stuff was "only fireworks."
Revised version: There was no stuff. That is, the defense lawyer will now claim with his clients's eyes raised innocently skyward, the stuff must have been planted by the Feds.
There is no need to plant evidence. In fact, the American government's officials, from Bush and Rice on down, have been performing salti mortali to take the onus off of Islam, to pretend that the only kind of Jihad is that of "terrorism" and that "terrorists" are supported by only a teeny-tiny handful, scarcely to be discerned, of "extremists" who have "hijacked" a great religion. The response of the great Western scholars of Islam -- from Snouck Hurgronje and Joseph Schacht on -- and from those who know Islam best and are best able to tell the truth, the apostates such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ibn Warraq -- would be gales of laughter, or expressions of contempt. They knew. They know.
Possession of the Qur'an, and a deep belief that a hundred passages in the Qur'an, such as 9.29, are the immutable Word of God, should be enough to send shivers down every Infidel spine. Read the Calcutta Qur'an (or Koran) Petition, and see what you think a reasonable response of an Infidel government, peopled with those who recognize that they have a duty to comprehend, and to instruct others, and to protect everyone, on the basis of that comprehension, would be.
All I got was a lousy dollar from the tooth ferry.
Muhammed received ammo, powder, and PVC pipe. It must be his divine faith that allows this to happen. IT'S NOT FAIR!!
Mohamed has already admitted his guilt, before pleading "not guilty." But I'm sure no one will hold it against him.
From the Tampa Tribune:
http://www.tbo.com/sports/bulls/MGB9DE4O67F.html
" A federal prosecutor has said Mohamed admitted making a videotape and posting it on the Web site YouTube. In it, he demonstrates how to use a remote-controlled toy to detonate a bomb, thereby saving "one who wants to be a martyr for another day, another battle," the prosecutor said.
The affidavit gives more details about the 12-minute videotape of an Arabic-speaking man wearing a white shirt, khaki pants and rubber gloves. The man, whose face is not shown, "shows how a remote-control toy vehicle is constructed and operated, and gives instructions as to the range and distance the remote will operate and the radio frequency on which the vehicle operates," the affidavit states. "A narrator explains how to convert the vehicle into a detonator."
When investigators interviewed Mohamed - who is in the United States on a student visa - he acknowledged making and narrating the video, the affidavit states. He said he "considered American troops, and those military forces fighting with the American military, to be invaders of Arab countries. He added that the technology which he demonstrated in the tape was to be used against those who fought for the United States."
I can imagine how they will worm their way out of this. Probably get his statements and the video thrown out on a technical point. In any case, I'm sure these guys won't end up with much jail time or even being deported. I hope I'm wrong.
'I don't know anything about it, it's not my stuff'.
'It's not 'my' 100 lbs of pot. I didn't put it there in my trunk. Yes, I am the only one with a key, but what does that prove?
Thats what dope dealers say when their trunk is loaded with drugs. Rots of ruck...no one is going to buy that story...
I consider jihadist guerrillas to be invaders of my country. They should be dealt with according to the Geneva Convention
Must have been the TOOTH FAIRY watching how to make explosives from Internet...As we are told so many,many times-ISLAM MEANS 'PEACE.'To all you Doubters out there, these Islamic lads can explain it;
DON'T EAT A PIECE[peace] OF CAKE EVERY DAY
OR TOOTH FAIRY WILL BLOW YOU AWAY...
So now we know Megahed is a liar.
He either did know what was in the trunk, or he did not know what was in the trunk. It cannot be both.
Of course, I'm sure some truth-relativistic tale will come out. He "knew" that there were fireworks because that's all that was in there when he looked.....
Simple answer...deportation esp those who want us dead
And um yea
Ban muslim immagration
Maybe Megahed is telling the truth.
In which case I hope someone is serving a search warrant on Ahmed Bedier's properties, office, etc. as he obviously knows a little too much about this case!
Makes sense. Naive kids on a dry run to see law enforcement response....
That's just part of the Jihadist Emergency Kit that is standard issue to naive Muslims students.
Maybe they figured that old line (of BS) would still work...after all it worked for bill clinton, lol
(remember: "*arghh* shazaam! how'd those documents get here?"-in the white house, as if).
Oh, man...lmao.
Maybe they think we're all as stupid as george bush.
"20 feet of fuse, a box of .22-caliber bullets, a drill, several gallons of gasoline, PVC piping and gun powder..."
Holy smoke! That's where I left that stuff.
Mistook the bomb kit for the jack and spare?
Then jihadi don't know Jack.
So spare him a cell.
...or maybe stuffed 'em down his pants & socks like sandy berg(l)er did classified documents.
That way the press would run cover for him, too.
lol
"...20 feet of fuse, a box of .22-caliber bullets, a drill, several gallons of gasoline, PVC piping and gun powder..."
I do believe these are the classic ingredients for the ever popular Muslims fireworks known as "Fall of the post-modern Roman Empire Candles, Allah be praised!".
.22 rounds? why not .357 magnum rounds? if he was gonna use the .22 rounds as for carnage instead of the usual nail bomb, then why not something more powerful?
to go out and try and pull off this bombing would've acheived nothing. a small incendiary device? why? why not go for a bigger bang. i still believe that these guys were testing the waters. did you see the brother of megahed relaying those sign languages? it was on CNN, adn after he was caught he was interviewed and laughed it off. sinister people, they are like snakes.
not middle easterners but the jihadists, i want to make that distinction. i know a lot of "middle easterners" one is a good friend from iran.
.22 bullets make great substitute blasting caps (which was their reason for being there-not for shooting anyone), and an age-old common method by underground networks.
The actual facts are considerably more inculpatory than the early news reports and statements from CAIR. I was involved in a pipe bomb case during the mid 1990's in the DC of Middle Georgia. If the scales of justice are level, which they're not, these young men will be facing decades in prison. So I expect the government to be forced to apologize for interrupting the Islamic sacrament of Explodation.
/joke?
Notice the ingredients for the amateur fuel-air explosive? Similar to the recent thwarted/failed attacks in the UK.
Er, by "involved" I mean on the legal side of it.
Too bad he already told authorities what he thought was in the trunk. Too bad anything he said can and will be used against him in a court of law.
Boy, do these people think we're stupid or what!
Who even cares if this guy DIDN'T know what was in his trunk.
The fact of the matter the materials were in his trunk and it was his responsibility to know what was in it. It was also his responsibility to limit access to his trunk--if someone else got in there, tough beans it's his fault AND his trunk.
He's liable any way you slice it.
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:
1) Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
2) Kitman - Lying by omission.
it sounds to me like the lawyers and almost all lawyers must be Muslim because they practice kitman and taquiyya all the time
Muslim jurisprudence:
Have your cake. Eat it too. Blame the fascist cops for accusing you of it. Hire the neo-Marxist lawyer to explain that you can't recall. Count on a corrupt dhimmi-wit judge to spring you on a technicality. Scare the shitboxes off the jurors forced to give up two months of work to sit on your case. Get acquitted. Be the star of the party where indecipherable women wearing glad bags shriek guterally. Cash the welfare check. Start planning a bigger and better explosion.
Repeat.
Pythagoras,
He is liable and lie-able, any way you slice it!
Amen to that Isabella...
It reads like a checklist of copouts...
1) we were just sightseeing...yeah, that's the ticket!
2) uh, uh, uh, we didn't know that was there! Yeah, that's it!
(they are here)
when that fails, next I suppose will come catcalls of "racism!" "bigotry!" "islamophobia!"
Then, finally, when that all fails miserably as the assinine excuses they are, comes:
"mentally unstable"
Seems to be a pattern as if an orchestrated brochure: "What to do if the infidel arrests you".
I know cops in san franpsycho that won't buy that BS.
Beyond absurd...but quite laughable.
I don't think the legal system can cope with the increasing numbers of jihadists.
As long as we don't make fundamental changes and declare Islam a political subversive system nothing will change.
Afghanistan is lost, says Lord Ashdown
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/25/afghanistan-is-lost-says-lord-ashdown/
Egyptian Cleric: Banning Female Circumcision is un-Islamic….
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/
Well, sheik
we already stopped banning communism (during the dhimmi jimmy years-gee, what a shock) as the political subversive system IT is here (especially since it is inherently incompatible with human nature, thus illegitimate), so that may prove even more difficult.
After blasting down big buildings, they will say they thought they were razing down toy structures.
.22s are also the choice of professional assassins....the .22s up close are deadly and their noise level draws little attention....and they are far cheaper....and the handguns that fire the .22s can be quite small and much easier to conceal.....
true exsgtbrown,
(most professional hits involve .22 caliber)
but I doubt shooting was the idea they had them in mind for...same cartridges combined with the other material at hand indicated they were to be used as "poor mans blasting cap" for a nasty FAE if combined with gun powder & gasoline...especially if mixed with a bar of pure soap.
(soap dissolved in gasoline= crude napalm)
BTW, I'm not giving them any ideas...it's all over the internet anyway.
Only thing I'm NOT giving away is specific recipe (which is VERY delicate and volatile, if not done correctly, and in exact order, will put them in the express lane to see their moon god before they can take infidels with them)
You get the idea.
"...if not done correctly, and in exact order, will put them in the express lane to see their moon god before they can take infidels with them)"
Jcom972, you are too funny!!!
"Too bad he already told authorities what he thought was in the trunk."
"I was guilty before I was not guilty."
Campaign speech for the 2020 Democratic Presidential nomination.
This reminds me of an old Steve Martin joke:
How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don't say "I forgot"? Let's say you're on trial for distributing information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction. You say to the judge, "I forgot distributing information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction was illegal." Let's suppose he says back to you, "You have committed a foul crime. you have planned the death of hundreds, if not thousands of people at random, and you say, 'I forgot'?" Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!"