It's easier to score propaganda points firing on the Israelis than to confront the problem with Hizballah and the group's Iranian and Syrian backers, whose ongoing activity is the reason for such reconnaissance flights by Israel.
"Officials: Lebanese troops fired on IAF jets," from the Associated Press:
Lebanese troops opened fire Thursday on Israeli warplanes flying low over southern Lebanon, but no hits were reported, Lebanese officials said.
Lebanese soldiers opened up with machine guns and light anti-aircraft weapons mounted on armored vehicles at two planes that flew by just east of Marjayoun town near the border at midmorning, a Lebanese security official said.
A total of 150 rounds were fired, he added. A senior military officer also said the army "confronted" the Israeli planes, but gave no details.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity in the absence of a formal announcement from the military command.
Israeli warplanes frequently fly over Lebanese airspace in what Israel says are reconnaissance missions, but this was the first time the army has [fired] on the aircraft since an August 14, 2006 cease-fire ended a month-long war between Israeli and Hizbullah guerrillas.
It is also the first time since February that the Lebanese army, which deployed in the south after the fighting, has fired on the Israelis.
Sounds like a "feel-out" (Israelis often use it to feel out who's who, what & where).
Doesn't matter about the firing anyway, since their targeting radars got burned out during Israeli attack on the nuke site in syria Semptember 6 (took hezbollah alone several days just to get theirs back online) Obviously it's not yet recalibrated, which appears they haven't succeeded yet, lest they be more accurate.
The "anonymous" source is undoubtedly hezbollah in government, lest he not have to hide behind anonymity to make a scene-they're notorious for it, and if just 150 rounds were fired (based on their AA rate of fire & number of batteries anyway) amounts to about 12 seconds of firing total, most likely the usual 6-team battery X 2 seconds each...pathetic lol.
Sounds like something out of a godzilla B movie...lol
...after Israels brief conflict into Lebanon against Hizbollah....The French peacekeepers threatened to shoot down Israeli reconnaissance jets....
....they should pray Israeli jets do not fire back....the Israelis are very good at hitting what they shoot at....
....and just what is Lebanon trying to hide from the Israelis?....troop placement/movements, rocket launching locations or some indication that Hizabollah is resupplying all those 7th century caravan raiding idol worshippers?...or....
Given the way the Olmert government operates the Lebanese probably figured it's safer to shoot at Israelis than at Hizbollah. The troops should fire their weapons once in a while to keep in practice and maintain the fiction that they are an armed service of an actual sovereign nation.
exsgtbrown,
that was then (under the corrupt vichy blaque jaques chirac), this is now (Sarkozy), and they're on the same page now, especially over iran.
It's a whole new ballgame...
...and this just in (developing):
Israeli border guards intercepted a jihad islami attempt to crash the gaza border fence (ya ready for this???)...in an explosives laden DONKEY CART! LOL
(prelims seen at http://www.debka.com right now)
Nothing like tryin to "crash the gate doin' 98"...in a jackass cart!
ROTFLMAO
exsgtbrown,
that was then (under the corrupt vichy blaque jaques chirac), this is now (Sarkozy), and they're on the same page now, especially over iran.
It's a whole new ballgame...
Posted by: jcom972
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I don't see Sarkozy as the hero draped in white shining armour that it appears some see him. I don't see much change in French foreign policy....what's changed? Sarkozy is no doubt an improvement, but don't get carried away here. The guy has appointed some flaming lefties to very high positions, such as his foreign minister. French soldiers in Lebanon haven't done a thing to stop the re-arming of Hezbullah or stopping Hezbullah from deploying on the border.
Regarding Lebanon...The American government supports Lebanese government (which includes Hezbullah), and I could have sworn I read somewhere that the US has some more bright ideas to arm Lebanon to the teeth so they can fight Hezbullah. Something similar to the idea with Fatah and Hamas, which worked out so well in Gaza.....
Lebanon should be held accountable for what happens from their country. In any other age Lebanon would be held accountable for what groups or in their case their own government does to other nations, such as Israel. Holding them accountable would force Lebanon to confront the source of the problem. The problem will never be confronted because Lebanon isn't held accountable and their government for the most part has no problem with Israelis being killed.
On a side note...Bush at it again requesting about $400 million to prop up FAtah terror chief Abu Mazen.
I see stupid people
i've never understood how the west opens up our borders to palestinian refugees who become part of their new nation, they become british citizens or "french" or US citizens. but all over the middle east, palestinians are still held in camps and are not intergrated into the wider community and are still called "palestinians" not lebabese palestinians or egyptian palestinians.
the socialists always fail to mention this and the MSM has never reported on this.
I suspect these "troops" or "soldiers" as the article calls them, are Hezbollah and not the Lebanese regular army. After the Lebanese Forces, the South Lebanese Army, the Kataib (Phalange), etc were forced to accept the Taif accords, all of these Christian freedom fighters were either disarmed, integrated into the Lebanese Army, or were forced into exile. However, Hezbollah was allowed to maintain its independent army and now acts as a state within the state.
This is the end result of the betrayal of the Lebanese Christians not only by the US and Europe but also by Israel. Now the Israelis have to deal with the monster they helped midwife. Unfortunately, it is doubtful that anyone will learn the lessons of history and undo this tragedy. Especially as long as Israel is led by arch-dhimmis like Ehud Olmert.
Good luck aholes, way to use up and waste your amunition.
Next try pissing into the wind.
F' 'em up Israel.
leonthepigfarmer:
Yes, look on-line for pictures of Ramalla or Jenin apart from the fighting. These are thriving cities and yet the media ALWAYS refers to them as "refugee camps". Ramalla has tall office buildings! How is it a "camp"?
Leonthepigfarmer,
Ramallah is a city that is close to my heart. However, Ramallah was an advanced city with a thriving economy because it was a Christian city. Now, it has become swamped by Muslim squatters and all that has all been destroyed.
Today, more Christians from Ramallah now live in Tel Aviv than in Ramallah. In fact, there are more Christian Ramallahis in Lexington, Kentucky or Birmingham, Alabama than in Ramallah itself. These Christians are descendants of the ancient Judeans who were the very first followers of Jesus. Of course, the media and the western powers care nothing about this cultural genocide.
Provoslavnis:
If the Arab Christians were descendents of ancient Judaeans, they'd be descendents of renegade Jews [Judaea being Latinized "Yehuda", what we called our kingdom under the Chasmonaim and before that the southern Kingdom before the captivity in Bavel], NOT Arabs.
Otherwise you're right that Ramalla had a lot of Christians. Yet those Christians foolishly sided with the Muslims in 1948 and became "Palestinians" [as they named themselves in 1965] and thereby rejcted the State of Israel.
I would be much less skeptical of your stance and the genuineness of your peaceful intentions if you did not seem to be posting with a strong undercurrent of an entirely different message. For example, your "three state solution" non-sense which would take yet more land from Israel, create a terrorist "Palestinian" state and a "Christian" Arab state in the Shomron hich I STRONGLY doubt would not be dominated by terorrists as well. Yet even were that not the case, the [Muslim] "Palestinians" openly insist that will not stp attacking so long as Israel exists in any form whatsoever. So how then is giving them a State a solution to anything?
I assume the IAF has subsequently wiped those troops off the face of the earth and incidents like these won't happen again anytime soon.
Moshe,
By ancestry, the Palestinian Christians are NOT Arabs any more than the Lebanese Christians or the Copts of Egypt. Yes they have been Arabized by having the Arabic language imposed on them but there one were also "Arab Jews" in the same category. Until a few centuries ago both Palestinian and Lebanese Christians spoke Aramaic at home.
As for Ramallah and Bethlehem, they did everything possible to stay out of the 1948 war and after 1967, Christian leaders like Elias Freij openly begged Golda Meir and Levi Eskhol to annex them into Israel.
As for my three-state solution, it would not create a terrorist state, but instead, by transferring all the Muslims to Jordan, would dismantle the current terrorist state that already exists in Gaza and the so-called West Bank. The autonomous Christian state in Bethlehem, Ramallah, and Nazareth, would be in confederation with Israel. Jews would be free to live safely in Bethlehem, Ramallah etc. (they're not right now!) just as Christians are free to live in Haifa and East Jerusalem. After the expulsion of the Muslims, Israel can annex Hebron and Jericho outright.
This changes the battle lines dramatically as the Jordan River is a natural defendable border. Also, Jews and Christians share the same moral code and can live together in peace. This is simply not possible with Muslims. Christians are not suicide bombers and the only ones who ever became terrorists were those who abandoned their Christianity for Marxism. Just compare the Muslim areas with their slums to the Christian areas which are far more similar in outlook and economy to Israel than to any Arab area.
Both Jews and Christians have an opportunity to forge an alliance that can guarantee their future survival. Let's not squander this opportunity. Never forget, the Muslims are the enemy. The Quran tells Muslims "Take not Jews or Christians as your friends. They are friends only to each other." It's time that we were!
Provoslavni:
I think you're "three state" solution would work better if instead one had Jordan as the Muslim Arab state-- but frankly we have strong concerns the terrorists WILL take it over as soon as the current king either dies or becomes weakened by a major illness or something of the sort-- but I think it would be better if the Christians in the shomron at most constituted a semi-autonomous region in a federal-type system. actually, I favor a federal system which protects the Jewish nature of thstate but also protects non-Jewish citizens' rights as well. However I think any link to land making specifically Christian or Jewish regions would be problematic. Better would be municpalities which would naturally reflect the nature of any given community.
Although interesting, it is on the point of Israel that Spencer's well-drugged "Western logic" comes to a full stop. Israel is always right, regardless of the situation, issue, location, time, whatever. Israel is right. No reason. No thought. No research. No happy secular Western European democracy and free speech and thought. Israel is right.
Lebanon is a sovereign country, no matter who's in there. Just as Israel is a sovereign country, no matter who's in there. It also doesn't matter who's stocking up for what war on either side (Israel does more than 10x the stocking that Hizbollah could dream of). Israel illegally flies tens of flights per day into sovereign Lebanon, sovereign Syria, sovereign and officially peaceful Jordan, and sovereign and officially peaceful Egypt, not including unmanned drones. Each one of those is legal grounds for starting a war, but very rarely does any neighboring country make any fuss, due to the fact that they understand that Israel will probably end up dropping 1 million cluster bombs, aimed at maiming and killing as many civilians as possible (note: the vast majority of which were signed after the cease fire was signed by Israel, but before it went into effect, good show, Western democratic wonderland).
The Lebanese army had warned the Israelis that they are flying in sovereign territory and that they would respond if it continued (that was over a year ago and almost nothing has happened since, while thousands of Lebanese civilians have died from Israeli cluster bombs).
But don't worry, Israel is right, and stop thinking.
Just doing some thinking...
An American:
Lebanon maintains that they are still officially at war with us [Israel]. Only Jordan and Egypt of the 5 armies that attacked us in 1948 have ever signed a peace treaty or ended the official state of war. So, by international law, we're WELL within our rights to do fly-overs or frankly considerably more than that.
"I think you're "three state" solution would work better if instead one had Jordan as the Muslim Arab state"
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Moshe,
That's what I've been advocating from the beginning. I apologize if I wasn't clear.
State One: Israel including Hebron and Jericho but minus the Nazareth triangle.
State two: Christian Palestine as an autonomous state consisting of in Bethlehem, Ramallah, Nazareth etc. This state would be self-governing but in confederation with Israel which would control its mutual defence.
State three is Jordan. Remember Jordan is an artificial creation on the East Bank. It is also more than 70% of the historic Palestine Mandate anyway.
All Muslims currently in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank should be humanely transferred there, while the Christians of Jordan should be encouraged to move to the Israeli confederated Christian Palestine.
"So, by international law, we're WELL within our rights to do fly-overs or frankly considerably more than that.
Posted by: MosheC "
....yep, and technically Lebanon is still in a declared war with Israel (since 1948 , no less)....if you declare war with someone, do not be surprised if that someone is taking action against you....
.....Muslims do not want a lasting peace with Israel and have given every indication they mean it....
>>>..and this just in (developing):
Israeli border guards intercepted a jihad islami attempt to crash the gaza border fence (ya ready for this???)...in an explosives laden DONKEY CART! LOL
(prelims seen at http://www.debka.com right now)
Nothing like tryin to "crash the gate doin' 98"...in a jackass cart!
ROTFLMAO
Posted by: jcom972
Israel never gets a break. Now every Jackass around want to get into the act.
lol Gram'...good point...
then again,
PETA= people easting tasty animals
'nuf sed.
no worries, flower',
They get breaks...the MSM and their islamicommie infestation ilk (read that as the 5th column/ enemy within) doesn't WANT them to get a break- that's all.
Reality always wins in the end...and they're not it.
We are.