Woe betide you if you dare to point out that in Islamic history and theology jihad has always had, and still has, a violent aspect. This in itself will be enough to earn you the label of "Islamophobe" and worse. Unfortunately, however, all too many Muslims around the world seem to have no difficulty believing that jihad involves violence against unbelievers.
Why don't those 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders write to these Muslims and explain to them how they're getting Islam all wrong?
"Nigeria: Two Christians Murdered In Kaduna," from Compass Direct (thanks to Davida):
KADUNA, Nigeria, October 22 (Compass Direct News) – One man has been killed with a sword and another bludgeoned to death in this city in central northern Nigeria following Muslim leaders’ appeal to wage violent jihad against youthful Christians.Muslim extremists on October 12 murdered Henry Emmanuel Ogbaje, a 24-year-old Christian, at an area known as Gamji Gate. The following day, church leaders said, a young Christian identified only as Basil was beaten to death with wooden clubs in the same area.
Ogbaje was a Sunday school teacher with the Military Protestant Church at Kotoko Barracks in Kaduna, while Basil, church leaders said, was a member of the Our Lady of Apostles Catholic Church. He was from Kagarko Local Government Area.
Elder Saidu Dogo, secretary of the northern Nigeria chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), told Compass that Islamic leader Sheik Gumi had urged Muslims to wage jihad against Christians during Tafsir, the reading and interpretation of the Quran, in televised broadcasts during the Islamic month-long observance of Ramadan.
“I saw Sheik Gumi on the television, NTA [Nigeria Television Authority], during that period preaching this inciting sermon – in fact, the same sermon was again broadcast by NTA Kaduna, on September 21 and 22,” Dogo told Compass. “He specifically called for a jihad, and that when they go killing they should not kill the elderly people, because the elderly have spent their years already, but that Muslims should kill young Christians.”
Dogo said that Sheik Gumi justified his call for jihad by saying in the same way Muhammad captured the Arabian peninsula, and Usman dan Fodio influenced northern Nigeria. Sheik Gumi concluded that because the British took northern Nigeria from the Islamic reformer (1754-1817) by force, Muslims “should fight to take over Nigeria by going to war against Christians.”
"...but that Muslims should kill young Christians.”.....
...school children are a high Muslim terrorist target...the Muslim terrorists love the panic that surfaces when children are killed....
Ban Muslim Immigration
But Jihad is an inner struggle...
This post makes interesting reading, especially when read together with the earlier posts on "hate speech". In the U.S. the left and the islamics wail and whine about "hate speech" directed at moslems. But one wonders: where are the bodies? How many have actually been killed as a result of "hate speech"? Have there been any?
Yet in the islamic part of the world, (which includes the islamic enclaves in western countries) hate speech is routine; it is preached in thousands of mosques, and broadcast over hundreds of radio and television stations and internet websites. And it is acted upon: every year thousands of Christians and other non-Moslems are murdered or maimed by islamic goons. The islamists have shown themselves so lacking in honesty and integrity that one is no longer surprised at their failure to condemn such speech and actions. But it is truly disgusting that the western left, so quick to take offense at the least word, makes no comment about the atrocities committed by the moslems.
Think of the pure hatred it would take to beat another person to death.
Think of the multiple stab wounds of Theo Van Gogh.
It's like they want to kill each person several times!
How much hatred do you think it takes to saw someone's head off?
Religion of Peace...sure...
From article: Sheik Gumi concluded that because the British took northern Nigeria from the Islamic reformer (1754-1817) by force, Muslims “should fight to take over Nigeria by going to war against Christians.”
This is Islamic logic. There are no Brits, or apparently Jews, to war with in Nigeria, so lets fight the next best thing, Christians. If there were no Christians they would do as they always do...fight with each other...The military junkie likes nothing better than to commit the troops. This applies to Cleric junkies wielding the sword of jihad...
Woe betide you if you dare to point out that in Islamic history and theology jihad has always had, and still has, a violent aspect. This in itself will be enough to earn you the label of "Islamophobe" and worse.
But if you call attention to the violence committed in Christian history, such as the Crusades and Inquisition, no one calls you a "Christophobe".
This post makes interesting reading, especially when read together with the earlier posts on "hate speech". In the U.S. the left and the islamics wail and whine about "hate speech" directed at moslems.
Over at Townhall, Mike Adams offers his idea about why islamic fascists get away with hate speech.
Never mind that last link. I should have scrolled down.
"But it is truly disgusting that the western left, so quick to take offense at the least word, makes no comment about the atrocities committed by the moslems.
Posted by: ebonystone"
...where is NOW regarding Muslim mistreatment of women
...where is PETA regarding Muslim slaughter of dogs and other animals
...Where are Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton regarding the enslavement of Real Africans in todays Real World
...Where is the PTA and other parent/child organizations regarding the forced military training of Muslim toddlers...
...Where are the Christian, Protestant, Catholic and other "religious entities" regarding the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Non MUslim populations from Muslim held lands...
...Where are the volunteer "human Shields" who once were so quick to stand between the Muslims and American bombs.....
...Where are the MSM reporters who actually investigate and report the truth?....
...Where are the politicians who are more interested in national security than they are at destroying the country as we now know it....
...the west is missing a few good people...
When are they going to start saying "Muslims murdered... muslims beheaded" instead of Muslim extremists? These are the devout ones. According to the war manual they are model muslims.
I second that, exsgt, the west is missing more than a few good people.
"Jihad" can be interpretted to justify any kind of MURDER, MAYHEM, or HEINOUS ACT against the kuffar. From the effects of WMD to the "personal touch" of killing an individual, Islime can guide a jihadi down the path of hatred and death.
http://www.marisaurgo.com/MSJ/Scholarship_files/Treatise.pdf
Until so-called "moderate" muslims make significant reforms in what the koran permits as acceptable actions and thought, I refuse, REFUSE to acknowledge it as a religion.
--"Why don't those 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders write to these Muslims and explain to them how they're getting Islam all wrong?"
Why? Here's a signatory to the letter to the Pope and maybe one of its authors, Dr. Muhammad al-Buti: "The Holy War, as it is known in Islamic
Jurisprudence, is basically an offensive war. This is the duty of Muslims in every age when the needed military power becomes available to them...thus the Apostle of God said 'I was commanded to fight the people until they believe in God and his message.'"--
("Jurisprudence in Muhammad’s Biography",
Dr. Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti(page 134, 7th
edition).
Meanwhile, the letter makes a big issue that the phrase "holy war" is not an Islamic one. Yet here is one of its principals using it, as others do:
"Islam has approved war so that the word of God
becomes supreme...this is war for the cause
of God (Holy War). Muhammad therefore, sent his
ambassadors to eight kings and princes in the
neighborhood of the Arab peninsula to call them to
embrace Islam. They rejected his call. Thus,
it became incumbent on the Muslims to fight them"---Dr. Afifi Abdul-Fattah ("The Spirit of Islamic
Religion" p 382).
The letter insists that Jihad can only be waged for self-defense or to "maintain sovereignty" it's primary meaning being spiritual struggle, and that Islam is harmless since "there is no compulsion in religion", pointing out that Islam forbids forced conversion. All of this to show that any and all misunderstandings between the two faiths, Christian and Muslim, are the fault of Christians, like the Pope.
On p.323-324 Dr. Muhammad al-Buti writes:
"The verse 9:5 does not leave any room in the mind to conjecture about what is called defensive war. This verse asserts that Holy War which is demanded in Islamic law, is not defensive war
because it could legitimately be called an offensive war. This is the apex and most
honorable of all Holy Wars."
In fact, the best refutation of the absurd claims in this letter is Dr. al-Buti's own work:
p.242 "Defensive warfare in Islam is nothing but a phase of the Islamic mission which the Prophet practiced. After that, it was followed by another phase, that is, calling all people to embrace Islam so that nothing less would be acceptable from atheists and those who associate other deities with God. Also, nothing would be acceptable from the People of the Book except
conversion to Islam or being subjugated to Muslim rule. In addition, there is the command to fight
anyone who attempts to stand in its way...until the day of resurrection!"
The letter insists there is no forced conversion in Islam and that this proves there is no compulsion. Admitting "forced" conversion is not doctrine, we still have the countless examples of "convert or die" practiced by Muslims on non-Muslims, even the Messenger of Allah himself:
"(When Abu Sufyan of Mecca is brought to
Muhammad he is told to confess) "there is no God but the only God" and "I (Muhammad) am his Apostle." Abu Sufyan answered 'by God O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul."
"Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad iis the Apostle of God before your
neck is cut off by the sword." (Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.)
Dr. al-Buti in "The Jurisprudence of Muhammad's Biography" repeats this story, he thinks some might object to faith being imposed by the threat of beheading! : "What is required of an infidel or one who confuses other gods with God, is to have his tongue surrender to the religion of God and subdue himself to the prophethood of Muhammad. But his heartfelt faith is not required at the beginning. It will come later." Interestingly, the letter to the Pope contains just this definition of forced conversion as pertaining to forcing a heart to believe
(but not forcing a tongue to confess!).
What should the scholars condemn about killing young Christian men? They didn't kill the elderly or any women "spilling innocent blood."
In the letter, they condemn the murder of a Catholic nun, but what about the Catholic priests? What about the other 9,000 plus victims of Jihad terror since 9/11, all for the cause of Allah? Did they condemn them? Are they or are they not occassions of "spilling innocent blood?" Ay, there's the rub...
What a surprise a killing in Africa. People in extreme poverty, who feel that they do not have a purpose in life will always look for an excuse to make themselves feel important to the system. In this case people are using religion to validate themselves. In the inner-cities of the United States gang members kill each other over sometimes trivial disputes all in attempt to validate their existance.
These people in Nigeria were looking to kill somebody to make themselves feel better, Islamic terror presented the best situation so they took it. It's sad that people kill each other to validate their own existance especially in the name of religion.
What a surprise a killing in Africa. People in extreme poverty, who feel that they do not have a purpose in life will always look for an excuse to make themselves feel important to the system. In this case people are using religion to validate themselves. In the inner-cities of the United States gang members kill each other over sometimes trivial disputes all in attempt to validate their existance.
These people in Nigeria were looking to kill somebody to make themselves feel better, Islamic terror presented the best situation so they took it. It's sad that people kill each other to validate their own existance especially in the name of religion.
I suppose the "extreme poverty" of the Muslim doctors in the UK explains their attempts to carbomb the "dancing slags" at a London nightclub and the families on traveling on holiday at the Glasgow airport.
Further, I'd think that being a highly trained, respected professional dedicated to saving lives would offer enough "validation" for one's existence, but that's just me.
“He specifically called for a jihad, and that when they go killing they should not kill the elderly people, because the elderly have spent their years already, but that Muslims should kill young Christians.”....from headline.
Muhammad was an evil man who rebelled against the One True God and started his own cult by promoting death and sex as a way to heaven, but it's really a campaign towards Hell; and only a foul-minded person would follow after this prophet from Hell by carrying out these marching orders of murder as a ticket to "Sex Heaven".
God is Holy & Just, and common sense dictates that the One True God does not reward good for evil.
Islam is a hoax, and anyone involved in it has been duped and brainwashed. Get real & get out!
"Think of the pure hatred it would take to beat another person to death.
Think of the multiple stab wounds of Theo Van Gogh.
It's like they want to kill each person several times!
How much hatred do you think it takes to saw someone's head off?
Religion of Peace...sure..."
I have a hard time bringing myself to look at the violent pictures and videos (you know the ones with the disclaimers) of the TROP on the www. But I'm glad they're there for everyone in the free world to view. I believe everyone should see these atrocities just so we don't forget what type of people we are dealing with. Most anybody caught here in the US who has beaten somebody to death has some sort of mental disorder. That's why this cult is really pure hatred and zombieism at its finest.
@ Stinkyinfidel,
Yeah, I've seen the videos, too. Then, I have to wonder what's wrong with me, that I could look at such things, and still be able to function.
Maybe it's because of the remove of video, and not something going on in my front yard--yet.
I suspect the local crop (exsgtbrown is right--You do NOT want these people in your neighborhood)
are responsible for the firing of guns in the air at night. It could be paranoia, but it seems odd that this didn't happen here, before the Mohammedans moved in, and set up their mosque.
(And yes, I'm sure it's firearms and not fireworks. I've found some of their brass.)
If any one Christian group decides to get serious about fighting the muslims, instead of 'praying' about it, it will be the Nigerian Christians.
If they lose the muslims will blame the Nigerian Christians.
If they win, or start to win, the U.N. will step in to help the muslims prevail (as what occurred with Miloshevic). And then blame the Nigerian Christians.
In either catagory, 'We of the West' will not help the Nigerian Christians fight their war.
Instead we will offer a 'prayer' as we are also doing in Sudan.
"I suspect the local crop (exsgtbrown is right--You do NOT want these people in your neighborhood)
are responsible for the firing of guns in the air at night. It could be paranoia, but it seems odd that this didn't happen here, before the Mohammedans moved in, and set up their mosque.
(And yes, I'm sure it's firearms and not fireworks. I've found some of their brass.)"
Ugh.
But it is truly disgusting that the western left, so quick to take offense at the least word, makes no comment about the atrocities committed by the moslems.
by ebonystone
Disgusting but understandable. The Left sees any attack on Islamic beliefs as hate speech because Muslims are viewed as an "oppressed minority". By contrast, Islamic attacks on non-Muslims are nothing more than self-defense against "the occupier", even in Western countries.
In the eyes of the Left, nothing directed at the majority can ever be considered "hate speech". Just being in the majority means that all avenues are open to those who would "criticize" them.
Hate speech? Of course not! It's only people exercising their right to dissent. Attack the message of the dissenters and you become the bully. If the dissenters are Muslims, then you are accused of attacking their religion - two strikes.
I suppose the "extreme poverty" of the Muslim doctors in the UK explains their attempts to carbomb the "dancing slags" at a London nightclub and the families on traveling on holiday at the Glasgow airport.
-Marwan'sDaughter
Not all terrorists are poor, infact many times the people at the top are highly educated (ironically at top-notch western universities), but in the case of Nigeria it is probably safe to say that terrorists there are not highly educated or wealthy. Terrorism is breed the same way as any crime does: out of poverty and desperation. Of course you always see some exceptions just look at organized crime which probably isn't in it for the money anymore. Terrorism needs to quelled just like crime, Islamic terrorism can and should be quelled just like the Catholic terrorism that was found in Ireland. There is not any difference between the two.
The conditions that breed terrorism need to be removed. Fighting terrorism is a battle of ideas, we need to make our system more apealing than that of Islamic Theocracy.
The conditions that breed terrorism need to be removed.
That must mean we eliminate Islam and its doctrine of forced conversion.
The terrorism in Northern Ireland was not religion-based, despite the many attempts to equate it with jihad. It had nothing to do with Catholicism or Protestantism. It was not an attempt to do away with Protestants in Northern Ireland.
The truth is that there is NO LOVE to be found in Islam, period. That answers why Christanity is the true religion of peace and Islam is not.
Improved living conditions in these countries would probably be an easier solution than eliminating Islam. The United States is the wealthiest nation on Earth it wouldn't be hard to reduce the resentment these people have against us.
The terrorism in Northern Ireland was not religion-based, despite the many attempts to equate it with jihad. It had nothing to do with Catholicism or Protestantism. It was not an attempt to do away with Protestants in Northern Ireland.
That is not a very convincing argument. It fails to present any evidence other than the writer believes it to be true. Please come up with something that has evidence. It has nothing to do... is simply an opinion and really fails to pass a fact litmus test.
I agree that eliminating Islam is no small task, but improving living conditions to reduce resentment is NOT the solution, because it doesn't address the core issue.
Resentment isn't the core issue -- but World Dominance is, and no amount of generosity on the part of the US is going to change this fact; although I don't think that they would turn down the motherload if it were given to them.
If any one Christian group decides to get serious about fighting the muslims, instead of 'praying' about it, it will be the Nigerian Christians.
'We of the West' will not help the Nigerian Christians fight their war.
Instead we will offer a 'prayer' as we are also doing in Sudan.
Posted by: alaskan1000
We've already been thru this once. In the 60's the largely-Christian Nigerian region of Biafra tried to secede from Nigeria and set up an independent state. The rest of Nigeria (largely-Moslem) refused to accept this, and had the army invade Biafra. The western countries, by and large, sided with moslem Nigeria, and did little or nothing to aid Biafra. The result was the forced re-union of Biafra to Nigeria, and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Christian Biafrans.
Forty years later, not much as changed. The western world will do little or nothing to help the Christian victims of Islam.
Islamic terrorism can and should be quelled just like the Catholic terrorism that was found in Ireland. There is not any difference between the two.
by "Intelligent-Thoughts"
That is not a very convincing argument. It fails to present any evidence other than the writer believes it to be true. Please come up with something that has evidence. It has nothing to do... is simply an opinion and really fails to pass a fact litmus test.
A few differences for you to ponder:
1. Al Qaeda seeks to conduct a universal jihad, while the conflict in Ireland was just that - a conflict between the Irish and the British.
2. Jihadists seek to convert others to Islam, or else force them to accept second-class citizenship under Islamic rule. The conflict in Ireland was a political one, where the fight was between those who preferred union with Britain vs those who wanted to be united with the rest of Ireland.
3. Religion was not the reason for the conflict. It was merely a marker. The history of Ireland and Northern Ireland (if you bother to read it) will show you why Northern Ireland has a Protestant majority while the remainder of Ireland is primarily Catholic. Neither side set out to destroy the other's religion.
"The United States is the wealthiest nation on Earth it wouldn't be hard to reduce the resentment these people have against us."
Yes, it would.
Are you familiar with this site at all and
the hundreds of articles on Jihad and Islamic supremacism in Islam? This canard that the source of Jihad is poverty or U.S. policies has been addressed, uh, once or twice here. Where are all the impoverished Hindu, Buddhist, Chinese, African homocide bombers? The difference is Islam.
Islamic terrorists use scripture to justify violence. What of 60 to 70 million Hindus killed by Islamic Jihad? What do beheaded farmers & teachers in Thailand, beheaded Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia or millions of dead Africans in Sudan for the sake of imposing Sharia have to do with the USA? Nothing (it was a rhetorical question). Or 150,000 dead Algerian Muslims killed by Jihadist Muslims. What
do you think their motivation was?
Qur'an. Sunnah. Sira.