Nonsense. Pelosi is much more elegant; that Gucci or Hermes silk scarf cost a lot (unless it was on third markdown at Filene's Basement, which I doubt); certainly the difference in the price between her version and Bush's Basic Black is far more than a thin Roosevelt dime.
I posted the other day when you had Laura sitting next to the babe in a burkha, mentioning the fact that Pelosi would be wearing a hijab. I'm really bummed.
A biting comment with a lot of truth. Of course, Mrs. Bush is not the Republican party. Neither is President Bush. Moreover, the Republican party is a center-right party and often does not represent conservative thought.
When Pelosi visited Syria, those on the right were vocal in their criticism. Nobody on the left criticized Mrs. Bush for these pictures or for her trip. That is a key difference.
Unfortunately, on key issues like Islam and immigration, the dividing line between elites and average citizens is more striking that the division between left and right. However, there is still a greater probability of someone on the right being right on these issues than someone on the left.
Now, if only Robert and his alternate persona, Hugh, would stop trading barbs with himself, JW can get on with the serious business of waging counterjihad. And besides, CAIR may be watching, and we wouldn't want to give the Ikhwan aid and comfort through our internal schisms, would we?
Yes there is a difference. Laura Bush isnt an elected offical representing her people. Pelosi is. On that note, its still shameful and Mrs. Bush should feel ashamed.
I posted the other day when you had Laura sitting next to the babe in a burkha, mentioning the fact that Pelosi would be wearing a hijab. I'm really bummed.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 27, 2007 9:18 AM
Greetings,
What makes you so sure it was a babe?
I really do fear for us in the West if the advisors of these women are so deluded, so out of touch with the burgeoning reality of Islam that they could orchestrate such outlandishly appeasing photo ops.
Across the spectrum of Jihad in all its guises, from the bunkers of Tehran to the North West Frontier of Pakistan to the "Community Centres" of Bradford in dear old England, they must be laughing their 7th century socks off at us.
Actually, there's difference. Bush looks really happy and her headscarf is totally Islamic. Pelosi's isn't really Sharia-compliant and she sure doesn't look happy. But you have to remember that Laura Bush is married into Al Saud family - that explains better knowledge of Sharia and the happiness to comply.
My mother used to wear scarves back in the 50's all the time, but not for the same apparent reasons that Laura & Nancy are wearing them now. Hey, maybe these gals both drive Convertibles and they need a little sun/wind protection. Nah.
Nothing spells Dhimmified like a scarf; all we need now is a picture of George & Paul wearing turbans.
"I should say this, that Laura doesn't have a silk scarf. But she does have a respectable Republican cloth scarf, and I always tell her she would look good in anything."
-- GWB
For goodness' sakes, you all are really coming across as a buncha bigots!
It's one thing to rail against the Islamic oppression of women; but a simple headscarf? Sheesh! The First Lady was just as veiled when she met with the Pope a few months ago!
Head coverings for women (and men, for that matter) are common in many parts of the women; we ought not to conflate these with REAL violations of human rights. Heck, a number of "deminist' and other liberal Muslims were head-coverings, too. Really, we should respect native dress.
Of course, Mrs. Bush is not the Republican party. Neither is President Bush.
President George W. Bush is a textbook example of how your choices can make you or break you regardless of your initial position.
Right-wing, enjoying the support of the Christian evangelicals, benefiting from overwhelming public support after 9/11, gaining near-total control of Congress following the 2004 election, regarded outside the US as a "cowboy", as someone who'd stand for his country's principles and wouldn't give a damn about the opinion of the "international community". That was the initial position.
Our age's Churchill? Not necessarily.
Backtracking on "this crusade...", changing "Operation Infinite Justice" to "Operation Enduring Freedom" because of the complaints of Muslims that "only Allah can dispense infinite justice", saying that "Islam is a religion of peace", forcing Israel to stop before Hizbullah had been wiped out, holding hands with arch-terrormaster King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and now his wife in a hijab...
Our age's Churchill? History will, at best, record him as one who barely escaped Chamberlainhood.
Laura and Pelosi in donning those scarfs are kissing up to the worst tyrants over women and vying for the title: This Year's Best Aunt Jemima to the Muslims.
If they were in the Ukraine or some other European place, we would call it a babushka. I remember my late mother hanging up laundry on windy days wearing a scarf in that fashion.
It is unfortunate that Islam has hijacked the silk headscarf, branding it as a sign of religious prostration, political prostration, cultural prostration, economic prostration and gender prostration to Islam.
For, nothing could be more offensive to any educated, literate, liberated, independent woman in the civilized world than to be branded as subservient to a religious ideology that enshrines and enforces the inferiority of her sex to a bunch of misogynistic, heretical throwbacks to the dark ages.
The donning of the headscarf in deference to the religion of misogyny seems a small deference, but, in reality, it reinforces their belief in their right to subjugate all women to a status lower than the stupidest, filthiest, most barbaric, flea-ridden camel herder in the realm.
While I cannot endorse such a voluntary assignation to inferiority in the eyes of Islam by any politician's wife, at least, I do not believe the First Lady discussed any political machinations which would jeopardize our troops or our national objectives.
As someone above suggested, reciprocity should be demanded...but, imho, the reciprocity should be demonstrated by our politicians demanding that the male Islamist supremacists wear white sheets and dunce caps labeled "Mo's Klansmen Rule" to signify their true agenda...Jews, Blacks, and women take a back seat on the bus to islam.
SerbInfidel is right. Pelosi's scarf has depictions of living things on it. It's a dig.
I've worn silk scarves for years to keep my ears and neck warm. Now I have to look for scarves with pictures on them to avoid giving the wrong impression...
Sylvia, the Pelosi scarf has leaves on it. As far as I know there is no prohibition, or much less of a prohibition, against portraying vegetation. Also those are fall leaves, dead or dying.
The prohibition, unless I'm mistaken, comes in against the portrayal of animals, human beings and God.
I have the privilege of working in Central America from time to time. I like to call the system of government down there ‘demoligarchy’.
It is in theory a pure democracy but, in practice, the electorate is removed from and cynical about the political system. There are two main political parties who alternate terms in power as they take turns alienating the voters. There are a handful of powerful business families that pull the strings. Whichever political party is in power then gets to cut their own patronage deal. It’s to the point where income tax is negligible and government funding is provided by a sales tax.
The US seems to be about ten years behind the demoligarchy curve in comparison with Central America. There is no doubt in my mind that demoligarchy is the goal of the forces on the right pushing for open borders. The electorate needs to be dumbed down for demoligarchy to succeed. That fake FEMA news conference was spooky.
“Reprimands have been made [but] I’m not going to get into internal conversations.”
-DHS Spokesman
"Someday all kaffur will dress like these sweet darlings of yours."
Should I ever decide to wear a scarf it would not be for the reason that Naseem mentioned. I'll wear one because I CHOOSE to wear one due to cold weather or wind -- not because it's been dictated by an Islamic cult.
Islams days are numbered.....I can count them on one hand :-)
Kevin -- excellent question, but Naseem is just not up to a response -- more ahadith to read (and somehow to justify) before she has time to learn anything significant about Western history. I used to be among those thinking that Naseem should be kept aboard -- there was something winsome and winnning about her deliberately odd use of English -- I once actually asked the little charmer out -- but she declined -- mumbling something about Lovelace and my phallogocentric gaze -- and anyway as Hugh often points out there is a pedagogical point to reading her defensive posts as an insight into the enemy mind on the cusp -- but not quite there -- of deserting -- and there still may be such a point for others -- but now I just find her tiresome.
I'm not defending Mrs. Bush but I read somewhere that the scarf was a gift from the hostesses and Mrs. Bush donned it to be polite. If she is as clueless about islam as her husband, she doesn't know that the hijab is demeaning and symbolic of islam's hideous oppression of women. It is absolutely shameful and unbelievable that they could be that ignorant.
Marc...You are just bitter because Naseem rejected you. You will get over it. Naseem could very well be a man, or several men...You are probably lucky that she did not agree to meet you in some dark alley in Lahore, you might have lost your head. Don't feel bad, there are other fish in the sea...
Naseem rejected Marc because he isn't a first/second or third cousin, that's all, so there's no need to feel bitter; hurt maybe, but not bitter.
Besides, Naseem has the hots for some shoemaker, so I think the two of them will make a very handsome pair by marching off into the 'sunset of love' together.
I certainly hope the shoemaker is her cousin though -- Naughty-Naseem if he isn't!
I'm not defending Mrs. Bush but I read somewhere that the scarf was a gift from the hostesses and Mrs. Bush donned it to be polite.
Posted by: Susanp
Susanp, she put on the whole thing. The burka. Infidel Pride posted this on another thread. Perhaps we can be comforted by the fact that Mrs. Bush left the naqab out.
Answer: When it's not Islamic. A "simple headscarf" becomes a powerful religious symbol
in Islam. So, it's not only a scarf when a Muslim female wears it, but also a SYMBOL.
champ said; "Besides, Naseem has the hots for some shoemaker, so I think the two of them will make a very handsome pair by marching off into the 'sunset of love' together."
Just one thing to add: For a man who got elected on the Christian platform, he sure does a good job of ignoring the ethnic cleansing of the Assyrians in Iraq. This man is no Christian. He's an ass kisser to the Iraqi sheiks to win this war.
I'd wager the booty in question is quite different from the mullah's prospective. Laura's uniquely shaped bright blue eyes would undoubtedly bring the muslimen to a froth. Give the other 20% (Pelosi) to muhammad.
There is a difference between Laura Bush and N. Pelosi. Pelosi was in Syria fully intending
to undermine the U.S. position in Iraq and the middle east. Laura was there with the intent
of underlining the need for early breast cancer detection in Saudi land. Laura, unfortunately,
with sweet smiling ignorance, dons the dress and symbol of the subjugation of women of Islam.
The stupidity of wearing the black covering dress made her visit futile. Laura and George,
wandering in the la-la land of “Islam is the Religion of peace”.
"Sylvia, the Pelosi scarf has leaves on it. As far as I know there is no prohibition, or much less of a prohibition, against portraying vegetation. Also those are fall leaves, dead or dying."
What a wacky faith we're dealing with! Here we are trying to determine whether or not tree leaves are allowed or not in Islamic depiction and dress, and if it matters whether the leaves are alive, dead, or dying. And if the leaves are dead or dying the chances increase for it being ok to depict them (doesn't that ring true!)
Traeh continues:
"The prohibition, unless I'm mistaken, comes in against the portrayal of animals, human beings and God."
Animals out too? Not so fast Traeh. What if the animals are dead or dying? What about a hijab with road-kill on it? That might pass muster ;-)
"Not a dime's worth of difference"?
Nonsense. Pelosi is much more elegant; that Gucci or Hermes silk scarf cost a lot (unless it was on third markdown at Filene's Basement, which I doubt); certainly the difference in the price between her version and Bush's Basic Black is far more than a thin Roosevelt dime.
I posted the other day when you had Laura sitting next to the babe in a burkha, mentioning the fact that Pelosi would be wearing a hijab. I'm really bummed.
Silk scarf or not, Pelosi looks like a fishwife.
Those sharp, avid features, like Madame Defarge knitting at the guillotine.
A biting comment with a lot of truth. Of course, Mrs. Bush is not the Republican party. Neither is President Bush. Moreover, the Republican party is a center-right party and often does not represent conservative thought.
When Pelosi visited Syria, those on the right were vocal in their criticism. Nobody on the left criticized Mrs. Bush for these pictures or for her trip. That is a key difference.
Unfortunately, on key issues like Islam and immigration, the dividing line between elites and average citizens is more striking that the division between left and right. However, there is still a greater probability of someone on the right being right on these issues than someone on the left.
So many captions, so little time....
Sorry to say that Laura looks like the Joker from the Batman movie(s).
Pelosi is at least seasonal (but wasn't she there in the Spring?)
Women get to wear what they want.
Even when you read the story of the Garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure Eve picked out the fig leaves.
Never interfere with an enemy who is intent on sawing off the very branch he is sitting on.
Hugh
This is still worse...
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_hand_holding.jpg
Love in Rose Garden....
Bush and Saud sitting in the tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First came love
then comes marriage,
then comes a D'Souza in the baby carriage!
Oh brother no wonder we are in this mess...
Free the GOP of the ROP!
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Now, if only Robert and his alternate persona, Hugh, would stop trading barbs with himself, JW can get on with the serious business of waging counterjihad. And besides, CAIR may be watching, and we wouldn't want to give the Ikhwan aid and comfort through our internal schisms, would we?
Yes there is a difference. Laura Bush isnt an elected offical representing her people. Pelosi is. On that note, its still shameful and Mrs. Bush should feel ashamed.
ImNoDhimmi:
"Silk scarf or not, Pelosi looks like a fishwife.
Those sharp, avid features, like Madame Defarge knitting at the guillotine."
Brilliant.
Laura and Nancy - if you think you are role models for American women after putting on that Muslim headgear, think again.
I'm ashamed of you both. Oriana Fallaci would NEVER submit to the scarves. SHE is my role model.
Ever since she declared "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi has proved to be as much Bush's woman as Laura.
By the way, if Saudi royal women come to the U.S. I expect them to take off their outer garments and show their faces and hair.
I posted the other day when you had Laura sitting next to the babe in a burkha, mentioning the fact that Pelosi would be wearing a hijab. I'm really bummed.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 27, 2007 9:18 AM
Greetings,
What makes you so sure it was a babe?
I really do fear for us in the West if the advisors of these women are so deluded, so out of touch with the burgeoning reality of Islam that they could orchestrate such outlandishly appeasing photo ops.
Across the spectrum of Jihad in all its guises, from the bunkers of Tehran to the North West Frontier of Pakistan to the "Community Centres" of Bradford in dear old England, they must be laughing their 7th century socks off at us.
Actually, there's difference. Bush looks really happy and her headscarf is totally Islamic. Pelosi's isn't really Sharia-compliant and she sure doesn't look happy. But you have to remember that Laura Bush is married into Al Saud family - that explains better knowledge of Sharia and the happiness to comply.
Et Tu Laura!
My mother used to wear scarves back in the 50's all the time, but not for the same apparent reasons that Laura & Nancy are wearing them now. Hey, maybe these gals both drive Convertibles and they need a little sun/wind protection. Nah.
Nothing spells Dhimmified like a scarf; all we need now is a picture of George & Paul wearing turbans.
"I should say this, that Laura doesn't have a silk scarf. But she does have a respectable Republican cloth scarf, and I always tell her she would look good in anything."
-- GWB
For goodness' sakes, you all are really coming across as a buncha bigots!
It's one thing to rail against the Islamic oppression of women; but a simple headscarf? Sheesh! The First Lady was just as veiled when she met with the Pope a few months ago!
Head coverings for women (and men, for that matter) are common in many parts of the women; we ought not to conflate these with REAL violations of human rights. Heck, a number of "deminist' and other liberal Muslims were head-coverings, too. Really, we should respect native dress.
That first sentence of the third paragraph should read: ". . . in many parts of the world . . ."
JSobieski,
President George W. Bush is a textbook example of how your choices can make you or break you regardless of your initial position.
Right-wing, enjoying the support of the Christian evangelicals, benefiting from overwhelming public support after 9/11, gaining near-total control of Congress following the 2004 election, regarded outside the US as a "cowboy", as someone who'd stand for his country's principles and wouldn't give a damn about the opinion of the "international community". That was the initial position.
Our age's Churchill? Not necessarily.
Backtracking on "this crusade...", changing "Operation Infinite Justice" to "Operation Enduring Freedom" because of the complaints of Muslims that "only Allah can dispense infinite justice", saying that "Islam is a religion of peace", forcing Israel to stop before Hizbullah had been wiped out, holding hands with arch-terrormaster King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and now his wife in a hijab...
Our age's Churchill? History will, at best, record him as one who barely escaped Chamberlainhood.
Ever since she declared "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi has proved to be as much Bush's woman as Laura.
By the way, if Saudi royal women come to the U.S. I expect them to take off their outer garments and show their faces and hair.
Posted by: sceptico
Great post
"Really, we should respect native dress."
Why should we respect a culture/religion that doesnt respect us?
Laura and Pelosi in donning those scarfs are kissing up to the worst tyrants over women and vying for the title: This Year's Best Aunt Jemima to the Muslims.
If they were in the Ukraine or some other European place, we would call it a babushka. I remember my late mother hanging up laundry on windy days wearing a scarf in that fashion.
When is a scarf just a scarf?
It is unfortunate that Islam has hijacked the silk headscarf, branding it as a sign of religious prostration, political prostration, cultural prostration, economic prostration and gender prostration to Islam.
For, nothing could be more offensive to any educated, literate, liberated, independent woman in the civilized world than to be branded as subservient to a religious ideology that enshrines and enforces the inferiority of her sex to a bunch of misogynistic, heretical throwbacks to the dark ages.
The donning of the headscarf in deference to the religion of misogyny seems a small deference, but, in reality, it reinforces their belief in their right to subjugate all women to a status lower than the stupidest, filthiest, most barbaric, flea-ridden camel herder in the realm.
While I cannot endorse such a voluntary assignation to inferiority in the eyes of Islam by any politician's wife, at least, I do not believe the First Lady discussed any political machinations which would jeopardize our troops or our national objectives.
As someone above suggested, reciprocity should be demanded...but, imho, the reciprocity should be demonstrated by our politicians demanding that the male Islamist supremacists wear white sheets and dunce caps labeled "Mo's Klansmen Rule" to signify their true agenda...Jews, Blacks, and women take a back seat on the bus to islam.
SerbInfidel is right. Pelosi's scarf has depictions of living things on it. It's a dig.
I've worn silk scarves for years to keep my ears and neck warm. Now I have to look for scarves with pictures on them to avoid giving the wrong impression...
Assalamau LAikum,
Remember peoples,
Someday all kaffur will dress like these sweet darlings of yours.
Sylvia, the Pelosi scarf has leaves on it. As far as I know there is no prohibition, or much less of a prohibition, against portraying vegetation. Also those are fall leaves, dead or dying.
The prohibition, unless I'm mistaken, comes in against the portrayal of animals, human beings and God.
Not a dime’s worth of difference…
I have the privilege of working in Central America from time to time. I like to call the system of government down there ‘demoligarchy’.
It is in theory a pure democracy but, in practice, the electorate is removed from and cynical about the political system. There are two main political parties who alternate terms in power as they take turns alienating the voters. There are a handful of powerful business families that pull the strings. Whichever political party is in power then gets to cut their own patronage deal. It’s to the point where income tax is negligible and government funding is provided by a sales tax.
The US seems to be about ten years behind the demoligarchy curve in comparison with Central America. There is no doubt in my mind that demoligarchy is the goal of the forces on the right pushing for open borders. The electorate needs to be dumbed down for demoligarchy to succeed. That fake FEMA news conference was spooky.
“Reprimands have been made [but] I’m not going to get into internal conversations.”
-DHS Spokesman
"Someday all kaffur will dress like these sweet darlings of yours."
Should I ever decide to wear a scarf it would not be for the reason that Naseem mentioned. I'll wear one because I CHOOSE to wear one due to cold weather or wind -- not because it's been dictated by an Islamic cult.
Islams days are numbered.....I can count them on one hand :-)
Naseem,
shouldn't you be slamming your shoe to the table when you say that?
Kevin -- excellent question, but Naseem is just not up to a response -- more ahadith to read (and somehow to justify) before she has time to learn anything significant about Western history. I used to be among those thinking that Naseem should be kept aboard -- there was something winsome and winnning about her deliberately odd use of English -- I once actually asked the little charmer out -- but she declined -- mumbling something about Lovelace and my phallogocentric gaze -- and anyway as Hugh often points out there is a pedagogical point to reading her defensive posts as an insight into the enemy mind on the cusp -- but not quite there -- of deserting -- and there still may be such a point for others -- but now I just find her tiresome.
I'm not defending Mrs. Bush but I read somewhere that the scarf was a gift from the hostesses and Mrs. Bush donned it to be polite. If she is as clueless about islam as her husband, she doesn't know that the hijab is demeaning and symbolic of islam's hideous oppression of women. It is absolutely shameful and unbelievable that they could be that ignorant.
Marc...You are just bitter because Naseem rejected you. You will get over it. Naseem could very well be a man, or several men...You are probably lucky that she did not agree to meet you in some dark alley in Lahore, you might have lost your head. Don't feel bad, there are other fish in the sea...
Naseem rejected Marc because he isn't a first/second or third cousin, that's all, so there's no need to feel bitter; hurt maybe, but not bitter.
Besides, Naseem has the hots for some shoemaker, so I think the two of them will make a very handsome pair by marching off into the 'sunset of love' together.
I certainly hope the shoemaker is her cousin though -- Naughty-Naseem if he isn't!
I'm not defending Mrs. Bush but I read somewhere that the scarf was a gift from the hostesses and Mrs. Bush donned it to be polite.
Posted by: Susanp
Susanp, she put on the whole thing. The burka. Infidel Pride posted this on another thread. Perhaps we can be comforted by the fact that Mrs. Bush left the naqab out.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018556.php#c465716
"When is a scarf just a scarf?"
Posted by: Pelayo at October 27, 2007 4:41 PM
Answer: When it's not Islamic. A "simple headscarf" becomes a powerful religious symbol
in Islam. So, it's not only a scarf when a Muslim female wears it, but also a SYMBOL.
champ said; "Besides, Naseem has the hots for some shoemaker, so I think the two of them will make a very handsome pair by marching off into the 'sunset of love' together."
Solemates?
"Ever since she declared "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi has proved to be as much Bush's woman as Laura...."
...Pelosi was just practicing being a lying Muslim...she still has "impeachment" plans....
...Pelosi knows as much about Islam as do the geese in the pond that I am watching.....
DaninVan -- exactly! :-)
....Naseem should be careful with a Muslim shoemaker...he knows how to apply the leather...
Greetings,
What makes you so sure it was a babe?
Posted by: albion
Yeah right, for all we know a R2D2 droid with a suicide-vest could be under one of them things!!
Maybe that is what naseem is, an R2D2 droid, programmed to worship you know who...
Is there any difference between a Hijab and a JibJab?
"....Naseem should be careful with a Muslim shoemaker...he knows how to apply the leather..."
LOL!!
.....and he's probably a real heel and will walk all over her. Assume the position, Naseem.
Robert...I admire your stance to call out hypocracy in both parties! When are you coming out to California again?
God Bless
Chris
Pelosi went to undermine foreign policy, Laura Bush didn't...that's one helluva big difference.
lol
Right on ZionistYounster!
Just one thing to add: For a man who got elected on the Christian platform, he sure does a good job of ignoring the ethnic cleansing of the Assyrians in Iraq. This man is no Christian. He's an ass kisser to the Iraqi sheiks to win this war.
Every knee shall bow...
Not a dimes worth of difference?
I'd wager the booty in question is quite different from the mullah's prospective. Laura's uniquely shaped bright blue eyes would undoubtedly bring the muslimen to a froth. Give the other 20% (Pelosi) to muhammad.
There is a difference between Laura Bush and N. Pelosi. Pelosi was in Syria fully intending
to undermine the U.S. position in Iraq and the middle east. Laura was there with the intent
of underlining the need for early breast cancer detection in Saudi land. Laura, unfortunately,
with sweet smiling ignorance, dons the dress and symbol of the subjugation of women of Islam.
The stupidity of wearing the black covering dress made her visit futile. Laura and George,
wandering in the la-la land of “Islam is the Religion of peace”.
Traeh writes:
"Sylvia, the Pelosi scarf has leaves on it. As far as I know there is no prohibition, or much less of a prohibition, against portraying vegetation. Also those are fall leaves, dead or dying."
What a wacky faith we're dealing with! Here we are trying to determine whether or not tree leaves are allowed or not in Islamic depiction and dress, and if it matters whether the leaves are alive, dead, or dying. And if the leaves are dead or dying the chances increase for it being ok to depict them (doesn't that ring true!)
Traeh continues:
"The prohibition, unless I'm mistaken, comes in against the portrayal of animals, human beings and God."
Animals out too? Not so fast Traeh. What if the animals are dead or dying? What about a hijab with road-kill on it? That might pass muster ;-)
Plus it would look good on Pelosi in particular.
The one on the left looks like a silly little worm begging to be fish bait; the one on the right looks like a hissing cobra about to strike.
Other than that, the both look like allah's bitches to me.
No way, alex'...
it would impede the hammer & sickle on her forehead.
lol