Photos from Eurabia

I was in Belgium all last week, and was kindly given guided tours of the Muslim neighborhoods in Antwerp and Brussels. In Antwerp I took many photos, but alas, I stupidly left the camera in a hotel room in Brussels (I am trying to get it back). It was in Antwerp that I shot a photo of an Islamic butcher shop, thereby greatly angering the proprietor, who questioned me insistently about who I was, where I was from, and why I was taking pictures. First, looking suspicious, he said to me, "As-salaamu aleikum." I thought fleetingly about answering back "Wa aleikum as-salaamu," but decided against it -- and when I didn't, his suspicions were confirmed. (Why would he be so suspicious, if he had nothing to hide?) If I get the camera back, I will show you his shop. These photos, meanwhile, come from the Brussels sections of Schaarbeek, Koekelberg and Molenbeek.

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This picture was taken right in front of the Brussels parliament.

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A wall mural depicting the flags of various nations, all together in multiculturalist harmony. This is the dream of Europe, of course, which will soon become a nightmare at the hands of Islamic supremacists.

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An Islamic butcher shop in Brussels, photographed from a safe distance.

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One of the many private, and almost certainly unregistered, mosques that operate outside official supervision.

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The Aya Sofya: greatest cathedral in Christendom, now after Islamic jihad conquest a museum in Constantinople -- and a halal snack shop in Brussels.

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Islamic dress on sale. Just outside the field of vision of this photo were an array of mannequin heads sporting various stylish hijabs.

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the only way for reversing the eurabian trend will be a massive swing to the right, and a collective european vote for our respective national parties. this is the only way that we will end islamic immigration and imperialism in the west.

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Hopefully you et al had time to try the sprouts ...

Thanks for sharing the pictures, Robert. I hope you get your camera back so we can see more.

Is it my imagination, or does the meat in the windows of halal butchers' shops always look old, unpleasant and unappetising?

Interesting photos Robert. They remind me of my summer spent in Philadelphia. Halal Bilal restaurants, Halal butcher shops, and women by the dozens in black niqabs in the 95 degree heat.

I guess if I go to Bruxelles, I should just bring my Arabic phrase book.

I note this was all in a French-speaking district. Perhaps you would have felt better about shooting in a Flemish district, since most Flemmings share your bigotry.

People dressed differently from you? Murals with lots of flags? A deli named for someplace that's been in non-christian hands for over 500 years? A mosque you offer no proof for a lack of registration?

Get a life!

A Kosher deli owner would have thrown you out for your rude behaviour.

Skevin:

I note this was all in a French-speaking district. Perhaps you would have felt better about shooting in a Flemish district, since most Flemmings share your bigotry.

Actually, I did shoot a number of photos in a Flemish district in Antwerp, but those are the ones I lost.

Bigotry? No. It is not bigotry to oppose the overwhelming of one culture and civilization by another, accomplished with the short-sighted complicity of the elites. Cultures come and go, but it is not bigotry to oppose the spread of one that mandates the subjugation of all others.

People dressed differently from you? Murals with lots of flags? A deli named for someplace that's been in non-christian hands for over 500 years? A mosque you offer no proof for a lack of registration?

Get a life!

You're quite right, of course. All of these pictures are completely benign. Were it not for the backdrop of Islamic supremacism and the conquest and subjugation of Europe, they would be worthy of no notice at all.

A Kosher deli owner would have thrown you out for your rude behaviour.

Rude behavior? I snapped a picture of the exterior of a butcher shop. Can you please explain why that is unacceptable?

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Er, don't quite see where you're going with this Robert. Couldn't you take similar photos in plenty of places in the US too?

:puzzled:

(although having said the above, I will admit that Brussels is particularly blighted)

Skevin? Bigotry? Try women wearing Western clothes in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Anyone got a problem with that, except the whole Islamic system? Murals? How about a mural with a Christian cross in Saudi Arabia, to illustrate that people of other faiths actually do live in Saudi Arabia? Got a problem with that? There sure would be..A whole country full of anti-anything-but-Muslim. The "Muslim" countries are spilling over with bigotry, hatred, and ignorance. Yes, I have a problem with that and with those attitudes coming to my country, the USA. I was born with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I want my grandchildren to have those same freedoms. Your religious law does not allow that...Mr. Spencer, keep the photos coming. For those of us that don't travel, thanks for the insight.

Roberts excellent adventure...
You guys are just upset with Roberts pictures because Pamela was not in them. How about a picture of her knocking at the Mosque door, or in front of the butcher shop? See, if he put her in the pictures they suddenly get more interesting. But Robert can't spend all his time photographing Pamela, or maybe he did, and we will see 'those' pictures when his camera returns. I know you guys will like them...

"bigotry" the last words used by the far left. once their marxist idealological intellect has been exhausted and europe turns to the right, ignoring these intolerant socialists, then the far left will start using ther bullets and their bombs on our intellectuals, our nationalist politicians and philosphers.

Robert, the fact that you have published these photos and have already been bombarded with marxist hate speech this shows that you have hit a nerve with these intolerant people. you have exposed a raw throbbing nerve which is the socialists pretend that their marxist experiment is working and if you disagree then they will re-educate you, at the point of a gun (government) if necessary.

we will win this war because we are not blinded by their far left double speak. we need to destroy this far left marxist movement and then pacify the islamic militants. which will be easy once our political battle with the left has been won and the liberal stranglehold of the media ended.

the socialists have ruined europe in their quest for a one world socialist government.

Robert said

A wall mural depicting the flags of various nations, all together in multiculturalist harmony.

Yes, all the flags are living in harmony, but two flags (the green-white-green Nigerian flag and the red-with-white-crescent Turkish flag, both from Islamic-majority nations) are raised higher than the others. Not that it has any significance in their supremacy-based minds.

So, I stand outside a Jewish Deli, and start taking photos of the meat in the window. Sam, the Deli owner comes out and greets me with “Shalom Aleichem,” but even though I know that the polite response is, “Aleichem Shalom”, I just keep shooting pictures. How am I not being rude when Sam treats me like a vigilante meat inspector?

Believing in my society’s ability to absorb the insoluble does not make me a commie. It makes me a New Yorker. I’m happy that I live in a place where there are vast districts that have nothing but Cyrillic, Hebrew, Vietnamese or (shudder) Arabic signage. Europe’s problems are Europe’s problems. Here, we either acculturate people, or we let them form their own self-contained “supremacist” fiefdoms as the Amish and Hassidim have done.

BTW: my real deli guy calls himself “Murph” even though he’s an Albanian Muslim.

I’ve never been disturbed by a Muslim on public transportation, which is more that I can say for loudmouthed christian evangelicals, who seem to be forever “subverting” my right to quietly read Dickens on a subway platform.

skevin, you have a point, at the top of your head. Robert has taken pictures of people dressed differently than him, and even taken pictures of the exterior of a butcher shop. Can you believe this madness?! If this is not a clear case of racism, what is it? Robert should be ashamed for taking them, as we should be for viewing them. I suggest you call your local police immediately and inform them that there is a Code 3 hate-crime in progress at the corner of Jihad and Watch. And step on it! People are viewing these offensive photos as we speak!

Skevin:

So, I stand outside a Jewish Deli, and start taking photos of the meat in the window. Sam, the Deli owner comes out and greets me with “Shalom Aleichem,” but even though I know that the polite response is, “Aleichem Shalom”, I just keep shooting pictures. How am I not being rude when Sam treats me like a vigilante meat inspector?

You are assuming too much. He raised a finger in warning, looked at me sharply, asked me why I was taking pictures. I was outside the shop. I went in at that point. He then said, "As-salaamu aleikum." Since I know this is a Muslim greeting given to Muslims, and not to non-Muslims, I did not want to present myself under false pretenses. Thus I did not answer "Wa aleikum as-salaamu." Instead I said, in English, "How are you?" He frowned deeply and looked even more suspicious, although I was smiling wide and trying to look friendly. He then, still glowering, warned me not to take any more pictures, and asked me a number of questions about where I was from and who I was. I smiled broadly and said I was a tourist, from America. From America? Yes, and with ancestry from Turkey! Still smiling, I said I was a friend! He looked even more suspicious, and went over to a phone. I left.

All I got was the one picture. His response seemed to me to be disproportionate, to say the least.

Believing in my society’s ability to absorb the insoluble does not make me a commie. It makes me a New Yorker. I’m happy that I live in a place where there are vast districts that have nothing but Cyrillic, Hebrew, Vietnamese or (shudder) Arabic signage. Europe’s problems are Europe’s problems. Here, we either acculturate people, or we let them form their own self-contained “supremacist” fiefdoms as the Amish and Hassidim have done.

Clearly you have no idea what "supremacist" means. The Amish and Hassidim have no doctrine involving the subjugation of others as inferiors. Islam does. I didn't put it there, and it doesn't make me a bigot or a xenophobe to point out its existence. Actually, I like the look of Arabic, and Arabic signage, but there are deeper issues here that you're ignoring while pretending that this is some kind of nativist ativism.

BTW: my real deli guy calls himself “Murph” even though he’s an Albanian Muslim.

And so? When I lived in the South Bronx, my landlord was an Albanian Muslim named Uqshin, and that's what everyone called him: Uqshin. And so?

I’ve never been disturbed by a Muslim on public transportation, which is more that I can say for loudmouthed christian evangelicals, who seem to be forever “subverting” my right to quietly read Dickens on a subway platform.

And so?

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Assalamau Laikum Mr. Spencer,

Run out of "interesting" items to print have we?

What gives with taking a few photos of legal and successful muslim businesses in which peoples are simply trying to better themselves through business.

Why I ask myself did you not run a photo session of hindoo jewellery/clothes shops...or photos of the jewish quarter...or the chinese quarter.

When the butcher greeted you ..why not say "Y laikum Assuslam" ...introduce yourself....
"I am Robert Spencer...owner of Jihadwatch....I take great pride in exposing butchers like you all the time...why the shyness Mr. Spencer?

For the 1st time on JW I got the impression trhat you are going against muslims per say....i.e. for no reason at all....your mask is slipping Mr. Spencer.

Naseem:

Sir, I am not wearing a "mask."

In my work I have consistently opposed, in the name of human rights, the institutionalized oppression of women and religious minorities under Sharia.

The photos above are indeed completely innocuous, were it not for the fact that significant elements of the rapidly growing Islamic population in Europe do indeed want to impose Sharia there. Do you doubt this? But we have published documentation of it here for four years now.

I wouldn't post pictures of Jewish delis or "Hindoo" shops because Jews and Hindus do not harbor dreams of subjugating the world under their rule.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

skevin said

So, I stand outside a Jewish Deli, and start taking photos of the meat in the window. Sam, the Deli owner comes out and greets me with “Shalom Aleichem,” but even though I know that the polite response is, “Aleichem Shalom”, I just keep shooting pictures.

"So then somebody named sjoe claims that taking pictures of a deli is racist, and so I just stops taking pictures of delis, because it offends sjoe. So then I go back to the deli and apologize to the deli owner, who refuses to accept an apology from someone like me who is 'unclean, like feces'. He tells me that his holy Torah compells him to kill the unbelievers wherever he finds them and...", wait a minute, that's not right.

"...and over his shoulder I see the posters of Osama bin Rubenstein on his deli wall, while the radio drones on in the background listing the hundreds of people killed that week in Thailand, Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iraq, and Sudan by the Jewish terrorist suicide bombers..."

Fa la la la la.

"...so then I go home and publish a cartoon drawing of Abraham, and people all around the world are killed in the ensuing Jewish-extremist rioting..."

skevin

you do not understand your own nation, which is built and supported on workable immigration. all immigrants here become americanised. yes they keep their culture but for htemost part they are american first and are bloody proud to be an american.

the european immigraiton story is wholy different. take for example the UK, it has only been since the early 60's that mass immigration started to take effect. the 80's saw hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, the 90's was no stopping it. immigrants to the Europe rely heavily on the welfare state, we literaly in hte UK give new immigrants cars and houses. europe is also far smaller than the USA, we cannot cope with mass enforced immigration and illegal immigration.

i would love to see europe with a small immigrant population but when we have islamists bombing and rioting in the streets, that is not immigration, that is an invasion force.

"I wouldn't post pictures of Jewish delis or "Hindoo" shops because Jews and Hindus do not harbor dreams of subjugating the world under their rule."

EXACTLY!!!

chinese immigrants have been part of london culture for hundreds of years, they have never rioted, never bombed buses in act many hong kong chinese have been the most patriotic people i have met.
especially rina, but that's another story.

go to any london muslim "community" and expect to stared at suspiciously, called a white "c**t and threatened with a good kicking. dont believe me? i lived next to one for 5 years. the most racist, violent youth i have ever met. and these "religious" yobs are supposed to be our wonderful multicultural friends.

seriously go to somers town, bethnal green and preach your multiculturalism there.

Robert said

Sir, I am not wearing a "mask.

I believe the correct form of address is "Sirs".

Robert,

Naseem is female.

Hum... some innocent pictures, and still some muslim supporters manage to get angry about it? It should be interesting if they read a fax...actually two pages I got from my work. Clearly showing the author, who is muslim, subjugating and offending jews, which is a hate-crime...

wrathofasma:

I am aware that Naseem claims to be female. Naseem, however, is a man's name. And this person claims to be in Pakistan, but writes from a UK email address. The content of his messages is such that I believe he is having one on on us all, or attempting to, and I would caution against believing a single word he says.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Uh, right. And I'm a 12' talking fish who just lost my piscene wife in a tragic fishnet stockings accident. Because I said so in an anonymous blog login.

Robert,
Naseem is female.
Posted by: wrathofasma

That depends on what day of the week it is...

It takes only a few simple photos
to bring the cockroaches
out into the light of day.

Found this from the link below:

"Naseem (First Name Origin and Meaning)
Arabic · Male
Variant of Nasim: Fresh air, breeze."

http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/naseem/

Oh yeah -- Naseem is a breath of fresh air, alright! LOL!

Would it be "rude" to photograph a deli in Mekka or Medina? It must be a very rare sight to see - a Jewish deli in these places. Or would there even be delis in Mekka or Medina - and with advert-signs posted in Hebrew? No...?

Robert --

On the door I can see the Universal No Symbol, but I can't tell what it's saying No to. No cameras? No cell phones? No weapons? Any idea?

Believing in my society’s ability to absorb the insoluble does not make me a commie. ~ Skevin

No, it doesn't make you a commie. But the belief that the insoluble may be absorbed makes you...

Do a little more reading here, and be sure to check out any references of quoted Quran verses and Ahadith. Also check out Robert's Blogging the Quran and any link that Fjordman provides. Be sure to read Hugh Fitzgerald. Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ibn Warraq are must reads, too. If you get what they are saying, you will be ready for Orianna Fallaci's portrait of Europe that Mr. Spencer captured in his snapshots.

Maybe you're not... But it seems that you're not informed about the basics of Islam and what it's ultimate goal is. And it's comming soon to a city near you.

Careful Robert, you know they're touchy (not touchy-feely), and your pictures might start riots and car burnings all over Belgium, if you're not properly submissively and apologetic. ;-)

Robert:

Maybe ya caught them as you photographed some "uncovered meat"?
(/sarc)
Just a guess, as nothing else seems a logical explanation for their hypersensitivity upon being photographed...and nearly always typical of someone with something significant to hide.

Whatya wanna bet the minute you mentioned leaving a camera in Antwerp, they were all over the place frantically scoping for a lost camera...lol

Either way, you definitely got their attention as it's, no doubt, all over their "communications sector."

Amazing how one can freak them out, even when you're not trying to.

"Here, we either acculturate people, or we let them form their own self-contained 'supremacist' fiefdoms as the Amish" - skevin

Enough with the Amish comparisons. It's absurd. If you have actually lived and worked with both the Amish community and the Ummah, you know it's a ridiculous comparison.

Ooooh, "loudmouthed christian evangelicals".
We all know how threatened you must have felt.
/

Wherever I travel in Europe - in the EU (the European Union) - today I feel as if I am moving through a strange land. The land I am moving through as I travel is not the land of my fathers, not the land which I grew up in, not the land of toleration and civilisation but a land that is gradually being subsumed into some sort of nether hell in which it is completely unacceptable to critisise anyone's beliefs no matter how intolerant such beliefs may be.

Religion, of any hue, seems to have placed itself above the law and outwith the realms of critical thought. It has become acceptable for people of intellect and intelligence to avoid mentioning religious beliefs and their effects upon society and upon the polity.

One must not comment upon the intolerant bigotry of the fundamentalist Christian approach to sex, sexuality and sexual orientation. One must not comment upon the the intolerant bigotry of the Islamic fundamentalist approach to morals, sex, sexuality, law, humanity, freedom and government. To do so, no matter what one says, brands one a bigot. Religion, by sleight of hand, by smoke and mirrors, has succeeded in placing itself above criticism: to comment in any way upon religion is to risk being outlawed in society and castigated as sub-normal in the media.

Much worse than this, to be critical of the EU in any way is seen as being against freedom. No criticism of the EU can be tolerated by anyone in power. One must not question the benefits of the Union for to do so brands one as a "Little Englander", a "Provincial Frenchman" or a "Lander German" (there should, I think, be diaereses over the 'a' in 'Lander' but I don't know how to do that).

Well, what am I trying to drive at here? It's simple. FREEDOM! When we in the UK, and others elsewhere in Europe, joined the EU we believed that we were joining a union of sovereign states and instead, today, we find ourselves in a putative Sovereign Union of States - and many of us are deeply suspicious of this, with some justification.

Strangely, however, the process of the increasing European Union denial of individual freedoms and fundamental rights is not being driven by the left. Instead, it is being driven by a wild-eyed enthusiasm from the capitalist multiculturalists which originates on the extreme right. It is yet another manifestation of the fascistic tendencies of many European right-wing and, co-incidentally, European left-wing politicians who see political structuralism as the answer to all their perceptions of the wrongs which, they believe, dog Europe. They believe in oligarchy, they believe that graduate political scientists (whatever that subject is and whoever such people may be [such vanity]) should be in control - but only if they graduate from the 'correct' University - and they firmly believe that there is no alternative. That is what is most frightening - they simply cannot accept that there could possibly be a different viewpoint from their's.

The people in control of the EU today have no concept of freedom beyond their own very narrow and limited ideas and it shocks them, rocks them back on their heels, when we, the people, challenge them.

What they, the politicians, cannot get through their thick, and increasingly thick, heads is what I have said before on this site (and, no doubt, will have to say again - often) - many of us in Europe would rather be dirt poor and grubbing in the dirt for a living and thereby living in freedom than wealthy and in chains and bowing our heads to Islam or any other supremacist belief.

I live in England, twenty-first century England, but shockingly I find myself yelling "Give me freedom". Tell me, my friends, how long is it going to be before the slogans I cry are going to sound more reminiscent of a third-world country than of the modern Britain which I love; how long before I find myself yelling "Give me freedom or give me death" - much like the people of Burma, Thibet or Zimbabwe?

How long?

Oh God, how long?

Hey Robert,

99.9 percent of the time I'm with you...BUT...

I've lived in Arab countries for 13 years, including the last two in Iraq. People have said "al-salam alikum" to me hundreds of times knowing full well I'm not a Muslim. And the response I've given hundreds of times is "w alikum al-salam. kayfak (or zayak or shlonak or la-bas) depending on which country I'm in. And the conversation continues. Like I say, I'm with you most of the time...but....

Hey Robert,

99.9 percent of the time I'm with you...BUT...

I've lived in Arab countries for 13 years, including the last two in Iraq. People have said "al-salam alikum" to me hundreds of times knowing full well I'm not a Muslim. And the response I've given hundreds of times is "w alikum al-salam. kayfak (or zayak or shlonak or la-bas) depending on which country I'm in. And the conversation continues. Like I say, I'm with you most of the time...but....

Hey Robert,

99.9 percent of the time I'm with you...BUT...

I've lived in Arab countries for 13 years, including the last two in Iraq. People have said "al-salam alikum" to me hundreds of times knowing full well I'm not a Muslim. And the response I've given hundreds of times is "w alikum al-salam. kayfak (or zayak or shlonak or la-bas) depending on which country I'm in. And the conversation continues. Like I say, I'm with you most of the time...but....

I find the pictures of interest though nothing any of us aren't already well aware of. The butcher waving a bloody knife and spitting hostility would've been a good get, but better that Robert comes home alive to continue the good fight here.

I hope still to come (in more pictures) are the forests of satellite dishes on Muslim immigrant apartment buildings which spread much hatred and propaganda from the middle east (al-jazeera etc).

"It was in Antwerp that I shot a photo of an Islamic butcher shop, thereby greatly angering the proprietor, who questioned me insistently about who I was, where I was from, and why I was taking pictures."

Obviously the proprietor thinks that Belgum is already an Islamic State. Why else would he assume that he had the right to question you about who you are, where you are from, and why you were taking pictures?

Another ten years and he'll assume that he can stab a picture-taker to death for photographing his butcher shop -- and no doubt he'll be correct in his assumption.

"It was in Antwerp that I shot a photo of an Islamic butcher shop, thereby greatly angering the proprietor, who questioned me insistently about who I was, where I was from, and why I was taking pictures."

Obviously the proprietor thinks that Belgum is already an Islamic State. Why else would he assume that he had the right to question you about who you are, where you are from, and why you were taking pictures?

Another ten years and he'll assume that he can stab a picture-taker to death for photographing his butcher shop -- and no doubt he'll be correct in his assumption. And Belgium authorities won't contridict him.

Poor 'ed'.

So, in their own countries they say "al-salam alieakum". In my country, a civilised, western democracy they also say that at me!

And what do I reply?

Not'Go to hell' as I want to - for that would land me in gaol.

No, I reply in a manner calculated to annoy but also calculated to express my freedom. I say, simply, and as all should do, "And the peace of Christ be upon you, also."

It works a treat!

OliverPCamford, interesting post.

You say, "Instead, it is being driven by a wild-eyed enthusiasm from the capitalist multiculturalists which originates on the extreme right."

In America they're called Libertarians, not considered "extreme right" but maybe it's different in England.

There are Libertarians who are so smitten with the virtues of unfettered capitalism that they advocate (inter-alia) "Open Borders" across the world.

Many Libertarian ideas and ideals are, like Marxism, better on paper than in real life. Much better on paper...

Poor old 'ed'. He's had to live in Arab countries for the last thirteen years. You've got to feel sorry for him, haven't you? Contaminated by the filth that is Islam yet he still believes that there is some good there! What a brave soul, what a nice person.

'ed', I'm offered the customary greeting often in London but I refuse to respond in the customary Arabic way. What I say, instead (and it drives them nuts), is "and the blessings of Christ be upon you".

You should see them squirm! It does the soul good, believe me.

alexon,

Yep, much better on paper. The EU is not America (USA) - not even a simulacrum of the USA. It really is a foreign place as far as America is concerned. The real problem is that the USA sees the EU as in some way a European version of your Union - wish that it is but it isn't.

What your country is, is a collection of free states ceding sovereignty, but not freedom, to a centre that agrees with the concepts of freedom held by each state and vowing a democratic centre for ever, whereas Europe is a collection of free and sovereign countries ceding their freedoms and sovereignty to an autocratic and oligarchic centre that denies freedom and refuses the concept of liberty as, at base, an inalienable right of man.

You have, at the very heart of your constitution, the very concept of individual liberty whereas the EU has at its core a structuralist approach to freedom, a legalistic approach to freedom, which is neither robust nor sustainable.

In the EU freedom is relative not absolute, but for you freedom is absolute not relative. It is an important distinction and one that means that the USA will remain free but that the EU will progressively become a fascistic and capitalist failed state where no-one is free yet all are free - just so long as they don't deviate from some imposed norm, and the norm will be imposed by a self-perpetuating oligarchy of right-wing capitalists who believe themselves to be freedom-loving socialists. Mostly, western thinkers see this as inevitable. Pity really. Europe could have been such a beacon of hope and freedom and on a par, in the affairs of mankind, with the USA.

In the countries of Europe today the debate, such as it is, is about sovereign freedoms. Regrettably, it's not much of a debate because everything we wish to say in favour of the freedoms of our own sovereign nationalities has been proscribed and made illegal. Those in charge of this idiot Union see, just for example, the Mediterranean sea as the 'home sea', just as the the Roman Empire did, and they are attempting to unite the countries around the 'home sea' in one super-union - completely disregarding the vast cultural and religious differences.

They disregard these differences because they are ignorant of them - they have no education in such things, no background knowledge, no general knowledge of history or culture, no training in the diplomacy of difference, no knowledge of what we, as European peoples are. Worse, they have no concept of, nor knowledge of, the various different cultures of the various different European peoples but instead see us all as European. This, it must be said, is also a failing of all recent USA administrations.

We are doomed but only so long as we allow autocrats to rule - and Europe has a long history of dismissing autocrats - no matter what their provenance - painfully!

Thank God!

you were not immediately recognized?
Shocking .

OliverPCamford,

One solution for Britain, and other nations in Europe, that are fed up with their governments giving away their national sovereignty to the EU is to have a written constitution.

It hasn't worked perfectly for us in the U.S., since the Justices of our Supreme court have started assuming that they have the right to put their own spin on what the articles of the constitution really mean. but with an article forbidding them to interpret the constitution in any way other than the way it is written, the constitution would be protected from the interpretation of rogue judges. Unfortunately we don't have such an article. But never-the-less our written constitution does offer us a great deal of protection against the Congress giving away our national sovereignty, or violating many of the other rights guaranteed in its articles.

Parliament is a wonderful institution, and a body that has the world's respect and admiration, and has served Britain very well for centuries, but it needs a higher law, in the form of a written constitution, to trump any legislation that gives away British sovereignty.

rational,

No! There is no justification, given our history, for a proscriptive written constitution. I, like all Englishmen, prefer our freedoms as embodied in our various Constitutional Acts. Freedom is indivisable and constitutional as expressed through our Parliaments, our Monarchy and the various Constitutional Acts.

That is the way we do things. We are not the USA. Live with it!

The argument for a proscriptive, definitive constitution is weak and flawed as is the argument against. We have what we have as you have what you have. Neither one nor the other is a guarantor of freedom. Constitutions must be made to suit the people not the other way around!

And we have what we need as you have what you want. Could your's sustain the attacks that ours is having to any better than ours is doing? I doubt it! You just haven't been attacked yet.

OliverPCamford has it right. The EU has a constitution does it not? Fat lot of good it is doing. In any case I doubt that the US constitution, or any constitution, could have had much to do with America's success. I would put more store in the pioneering spirit that has inspired Americans for generations. It may be fizzing out a bit lately, but it is still there.

Naseem is female.

Naseem is a Troll. It has no gender. It needs to be referred to in the neuter sex.

Do Not Feed It.

PS Robert - following on from what Ed said, it has also been my experience that Muslims to not reserve the greeting 'As-salaamu aleikum' exclusively for other Muslims. I know some Ahmadiyya Pakistanis who greet me in this way; they also showed how to respond 'Wa aleikum as-salaam'.

That said, as you know, Ahmadiyya are not normally associated with the type of RoP adherents we discuss on here; and indeed are often spurned or even persecuted by them.

Additionally, most Turks will greet you (and each other) with 'merhaba', but some will also use 'selam'. Again, this is not reserved solely for Muslims.

Assalamau Laikum all,

I tell you it is insane that my gender always creeps in when the infedel is speechless on a point I make.

We have had conversation on my gender...and is well documented in ....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004188.php

My full name First name is Naseemah....and in Pak we are usually not so formal (stiff upper lip & all that)and names are shortened....I have been called Naseem since childhood...and it has stuck.

Being a mother of 2 childrens (and having lost my husband Anwer) hardly qualifies me as a male now does it, trust me.

As to using a UK internet address ....I have a vpn to a provider in the said country ...all perfectly legal and technically sound...

I really don't see what the problem is here.

I am trying to focus on the issues ...and get doubted for that...there are NO multiple persons, I am one female Ahymidya....fullstop.

Allah T'allah SWT wanted a green earth, we all want a green earth....muslims recognise this and we even incorporate green in the flag.

We all know that Eurabia is inevitable....the only question to ask is which type of eurabia...instead of arguing about it ...lets focus on the integration model of the future....europeans will be the minority in the future...but they must have rights too...and that means the model to approach "sharia lite".

Work with us here ....pleeeaase!

LOL

(reminded of historical perspective)
"Russians! Surrender!-You'll die, just the same!"
(German propaganda via loudspeakers, Stalingrad, 1942)

Next comes "Lebensraum! Ya, lebensraum!"

Santayana's right.

Regarding "As-salaamu aleikum" offered knowingly to non-Muslims: certainly. This has happened to me as well. But in this case, the suspicion on the man's face and the probing way in which he offered the greeting was clear: he was trying to determine whether I was friend or foe.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

"Believer" or "Infidel" ?

....I photograph Muslims often.....at the train stations, in the streets, entering the mosques, at airports, and even loitering around the cab stations.......it drives them crazy....why, is it almost as if they have something to hide (perhaps an identity they do not want discovered, or a terrorist connection they do not want to be made, or a plot they do not want uncovered) ......long ago on the American western plains when the first cameras appeared the Native Indians were terrified of photographs, claimed the photographs captured their spirits ..... perhaps the Muslims are terrified of their spirits being captured also......

......from time to time i compare my photographs with the ones of those identified as know/wanted terrorists...these photos are availiable on the government websites....I believe there are terrorists in our midst....and I believe an early warning and/or capture will save lives....

.....I pass my suspicions and photos to the authorities from time to time....the authorities seem indifferent and cold, but they always take the photos...I never hear a reply from them...

........as an earlier poster pointed out, the Muslims are worried about someone taking their photos of Islamic signs, symbols and places of businesses thinking this is a racist/biggoted act...

...but in Most Muslim held countries there are very few Christian signs, symbols and place of businesses that you can photograph......these have long ago been erased from the landscape and their owners evicted or forcibally removed (often just killed)....

....the real racists and bigots come from Muslim Lands and adhere to Islamic ideology....


....Ban Muslim Immigration....

Naseem , Finland will not join to your sharia eurabia. Muslims are ca 0,3 % of population and coming elections 2011 will see to that the percentage will rather be sinking than rising.

I think we are pretty much done with the issue with the last ones deported by 2025. No hard feelings Naseem , but our experiences of muslim immigrants point to such a conclusion that out you go.

I must admit I find the photos pretty tame however I may simply be so used to it that it looks nothing remarkable. If you visit large swathes of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Leicester, Bradford,Oldham etc in UK you would think you were in the slum quarters of Karachi. So far down the line has UK gone that there are areas in most UK cities in which you will not see a white face all day. The UK is already a basket case and well on its way to becoming an Islamic cesspit.
Most of the indigenous population are either emigrating if they can or doing the white flight to hide behind security walls and fences in the suburbs or closely guarded enclaves in the cities.


"..People have said "al-salam alikum" to me hundreds of times knowing full well I'm not a Muslim. And the response I've given hundreds of times is "w alikum al-salam. kayfak (or zayak or shlonak or la-bas) depending on which country I'm in.say, I'm with you most of the time. but..."

Posted by: ed at October 22, 2007 12:50 AM

True ed. Maybe the suspense of the whole situation didn't help! I know if I was in Robert's place I'd probably say Allah suck-bar. I am currently in a Muslim country. It's considered THE MOST "civilized" country in the Middle East. And yes, every now and then at work I'd get the occasional friendly faces saying "Salaam Alaikum", followed by "how's your day?" Yet, there's nothing easier than gaining their animosity when you don't actually deserve that Salam -- In Islam, saying "Salam Laikum" to a non-Muslim is not permitted.

The firm I work for bans smoking in offices (just like every other firm in normal parts of the world)Yet, some lovely nationals (citizens of this country) that I'm training chose to smoke in the staircase, and apparently the laws here aren't that effective against nationals. Fair enough (I guess), but I choose to go downstairs and smoke outside. Until one day one of them asks me why I was going all the way downstairs when I had the staircase. And then they all ask me to join them. I politely decline, and say that I am just not used to smoking in staircases. I come back and there's already a complaint on my supervisor's desk, submitted by them and summed up in me being an "a young inexperienced and immodest bigot who doesn't appreciate team spirit and has racial issues" (the words were translated from the complaint which was written in Arabic)lol.The following day one of them calls me a "Damn shaved headed Kaffir" (in English) and then he comes to me and says: "I know your type, I've been to England (I'm not from England by the way -- I think he was referring to the shaved head…me?? ..skinhead?? But I'm half Arab), and I know what you do to our brothers back there. Well, now you're in my country, and it's my turn to tell you that westerners are not welcome in the lands of Islam". Well...I guess the good news would be that we Kaffirs are still welcome in the land of Kuffir, right??? Are we??? 10 years from now, I'm in my 30's, can I still keep my house!!! Or would non-Muslim neighborhoods have to pay Jizya?

"Salam" doesn't mean peace unless you're muslim ! If a muslim says "Salam Laikum" you could respond "Walaikum Salam" or "Boom shaka laka"... see if it makes any difference to them. What I do know for sure is that even if they do say it to us occasionally, their religion says they shouldn't, and that's what actually matters.

Ah, Naseem, have you been.....unveiled?

"You [meaning us, the U.S.] just haven't been attacked yet." -- O.P.Camford

Hmmm, I thought I remembered something happening back in 2001. It must've been just a bad dream.

OliverPCamford,

I am in so way suggesting that the American constitutional system is superior to the Parlamentary system. They both have their strenghts and weaknesses. There are aspects of the Parlamentary that I prefer to our own.

What I am suggesting is that elected politicians cannot always be trusted to act in the best interest of their country. I think that fact is bourn by the fact that too many European nations have surrendered their sovereignty to the EU.

If there had been a higher law restricting their power to legislate away their nations sovereignty, they wouldn't have got away with it.

That's all I'm suggesting.

I first saw a Halal butcher shop in Rockville, Maryland. That's one subway ride from Washington, D.C.

Robert, when that muslim discovers that he had the great Zionist infidel, Robert Spencer, in his butcher shop and he let him get away, there will be hell to pay. The ummah will be up in arms. From now on, your picture will be posted on the wall of every muslim butcher shop, convenience store, jewelery boutique, and the dash of every taxi from London to Belgrade - for quick identification - Wanted Dead or Alive - But Preferably Dead.

lol...

Oh, well...sucks to be them...lol

rational/

I take your points and I see what you are driving at.

The point here is not so much that there is anything shocking about seeing Islamic business catering to a Muslim clientele. The point is that changes in Europe and the US have happened so quickly. Mass immigration without assimilation has resulted in sub-cultures within established cultures that are straight transplants from other countries. There is no effort to assimilate. Accommodation is expected by the host country and when it is not forthcoming, riots and charges of racism ensue.

Now let's look at the situation of immigrants to non-Western countries. Are there American or Dutch or Belgian zones in Saudi Arabia, where pork is served and Christmas celebrated?

In the US, there are many Spanish-only areas. Every major city has them. Yet the plain and simple truth is that Mexican and other Latin American immigrants do not bring along with them a "tiny minority" of extremists, who set up shop as political activists or worse demanding special treatment through threats and intimidation as soon as they arrive.

Assimilation is a problem, when one considers how a culture is to survive without some common values. It is a universal problem, and lack of assimilation deprives the immigrants of the opportunities that the country provides. So it's a problem both for the host society and for the immigrants.

But only when it comes to Islam is immigration and lack of assimilation a clear and immediate existential danger. Islam is virtually alone in demanding, even when it is a small fraction of a population, special concessions that allow it to operate according to sharia law. Islam is also alone in bringing with it a a "tiny minority" that is not only unwilling to assimilate but actively engaged in subverting every culture into which it enters as a minority. While most Muslim immigrants are not inclined to actively subvert the countries that so generously provide them with new opportunities, most also do not seem to take any stand against their fellow co-religionists who come with the express intent of setting up Wahhabi institutions like CAIR to slowly bring about sharia law or worse. And then there is the problem of radicalization of the children of parents who are too weak to raise their kids with any values or even encourage their children to assimilate. These kids then grow up in a dual world, without allegiances, until some Wahhabi extremist immigrants or itinerant imams convince them that there is an absolute truth and that it is certainly not Western.

So Robert is merely showing that immigration from Muslim countries is changing Europe at an unbelievable pace. He is showing tangible evidence that Europe is becoming Muslim. The reason for alarm is that Muslims have a terrible track record for immigrating and becoming good citizens whose children integrate and become good and productive citizens.

Naseem -- sounds like you're groveling: "Work with us here ....pleeeaase!"

NNNNnnnnooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!!

Does that answer your question.

I went to Belgium in 1992. Even then, muslim were begging in the streets, thrusting their babies into my face, demanding money.

I assume that it has only gotten worse since then.

I went to Belgium in 1992. Even then, muslim were begging in the streets, thrusting their babies into my face, demanding money.

I assume that it has only gotten worse since then.







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