"Pseudo-Muslims Representing Pseudo-Islam Must Be Outshouted"

"Islam is a Religion of Peace"....and Hitler was a Saint.

Someone needs to alert Islam that the No True Scotsman argument is a logical fallacy, even when it's No True Muslim.

No True Scotsman Fallacy

Come up with something new. It's always tu quoque, no true Muslim, Crusades, out of context, and you can't read Arabic.

JVFP?
LOL...simple research on that bunch from san franpsycho gives it away.
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Their buddy, norm finkelstein, gives his take for JVP
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=238
JVP condemns...Israel????
http://www.kboo.fm/node/4046
LOL...as if not enough of a dead giveaway...
one of their chief lecturers:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2095
(note some of the mutual "concerns"...
not to mention it's dicta...errrr, "director":
http://discoverthenetwork.org.winhost6.atlantic.net/individualProfile.asp?indid=1613
...and, of course, no evaluation is complete without a clear & unmistakable take from none other than their beloved brethren at the "dailykook":
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/5/111359/2788
you'll also find considerable support from none other than georgie "the capo" soros of the shadow party.

They've been at it out here for some time now.
Nothing to misunderstand at all...just radical suicide jockeys with a death wish allying with those vowed to destroy them.
lol

I am amused by the ever abundant Islamic parties that have been started because some so and so isn't Muslim enough, or Islamic enough. They become parodies of themselves. I propose the following anti-Islamist Party: Jaish al Murtadin wa Kuffaar.
Our symbol can be a blue flag, à la Saudi, with words in Arabic, "The Truth is Mightier than the Sword", with a nice-looking pen underneath as an underline.

Oh, my! I almost forgot all about their direct involvement with the ISM:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={6652C4F0-2016-492B-9F97-4056D4187E99}
ISM exposed...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6233
Same bunch of dumb clucks tried to go after Caterpillar Co because a bulldozer ran over radical rachel corrie (LMAO)...'nuf sed...
the list is endless...they take their tactics (like their shouting contests mentioned) straight out of the playbook of brownshirts of political correctness.

...and a simple look into TAMs website (see their links left bar-tells the tale of where they stand, and it's not with the west)...if they're trying to fool anyone in the battle of ideas, especially amidst upcoming IAW, this attempt is D.O.A.

When you try to hand feed a fish to an alligator, you only see the fish as food; The alligator sees food all the way up to your elbow. What else can we expect from a predator?

OT, but in relation to the Turki-jihad against the Armenians:

We have here a poster adament that it was all the other way around, that the Armenians were in fact killing Turks and that the Jews and the Christians and the Greeks had it all so good ...!They could live happily ever after if they weren't so nasty to the kind hearted Muslims:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/15/whats-turkey-good-for-turkish-army-chief-says-us-ties-at-risk/

CAIR, the ISNA and AMC have no problem in authenticating the Gitmo terrorists as real Muslims. For having joined Afghan and Iraq terror, the internees are well protected by American Islamists, who agitate for halal food and daily prayer for bombers and snipers. I guess one is a real muslims if they actually carry out terror, and a fake one if they only advocate it.

Anti-semite/self-loather watch:

Joel Kovel (former Green Party candidate for Prez)
http://fanonite.org/2007/10/18/joel-kovel-overcoming-zionism/

The writer is one of the legions of witless muslimahs, headbagged and brainwashed, who actually believed the story they got about how Mohammed "respected" women and gave them "rights" that no other women had -- in the 7th century.

She happily ignores the fact that her prophet murdered, raped, and molested his way across Arabia, and that his male followers (her "brothers" and fellow slaves of Allah) do the same to this day. Somehow the livestock transaction of Muslim "marriage" never really sinks in, nor the airy dismissal of disposable females in Muslim divorce, nor the sick brutality of sanctified wife-beating, the degradation of half-humanhood in legal situations, child custody, freedom of movement, respect in worship, and choice in dress -- none of this ever makes a dent in her conviction that Mohammed really "understood" women and deserves her groveling on the floor five times a day.

She is shocked and amazed that Muslims act like her prophet. There really is no getting through to some people.

By Sheila Musaji in the American Muslim:

That a rag named the American Moslem can exist is indicative of catastrophic failure in the American government; that a writer named Sheila Musaji can exist in America is indicative of a failure in American culture.

Why am I not impressed?

Anybody hijacked Islam again lately?

But seriously: All these petro-dollars buy a lot of favors and a lot of voluntary propagandists for the RoP. With a keen eye you can spot the bleeding obvious, like this turkey here:

http://ryanlanham.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/counterpunch-muslims-cause-little-terrorism-in-europe/

This is about as shameless as it gets. But then again, in the US you have Measelheimer and Walt, and Peanut Khadr, and GWB, and Willie Clitman, etc.etc....

What I found interesting is there seemed to be a small bit of shock in her finding posts that gave credence to exactly what Islamofascism Week is all about. And her wanting to attach a name to them in a clumsy attempt to show them as not being truely aligned with Islam.
Also was a total lack of response to the content of any of the posts themselves. Not one attempt to explain away any of them, perhaps because she couldn't.

Did anyone last night see that special presentation on Foxnews, a "Frontline" movie documentry the PBS did not allow, called "Islam And The Islamists" ? I did watch as much as possible, even though I had to use my clicker to jump back and fourth between that and the ALCS MLB Championship Series between Boston and Cleveland. For those who want to know, Boston won, 12 to 2. Go BSoxs!!!!

"These criminals do not represent me, they do not represent any Muslims I know, and they certainly don’t represent Islam. As an American Muslim I am deeply ashamed......I am also angry at whoever did this.

Read your quaran again,Sheila. These criminals DO represent islam. You should be ashamed and angry. All so-called "moderate" muslims should be ashamed and angry, so ashamed and angry they will protest in the streets against their brothers who have "hijacked the religion of peace".

But I'm not holding my breath.

"These criminals do not represent me, they do not represent any Muslims I know, and they certainly don’t represent Islam" - Sheila Musaji

Did she ever read Cowran? These criminals, as she calls them, are in complete adherent to Islamville, or I-ville for a short.

What subset of Cowran that she thinks they don't represent? I have seen hundreds of example, right here on JW, which clearly state that the followers of Islamville are off the track whether they adhere to it completely or partially.

Let's pretend that "Pseudo-Muslim" is a real Muslim, and not a non-Muslim, or an apostate, detremined to quite cleverly show up the whol thing -- which is what Sheila Musaji may not quite understand, or she may confusedly understand. In other words, let us pretend that "Pseudo-Muslim" is actually a Muslim, like Shiela Musaji herself, and doesn't quite know what to do with the quotes from important figures who are Muslim that show up all that interfaith feelgood nonesense of the petition.

Here would be a comment if one were to assume that the commentor was Muslim, writing in embarrased and terminally confused good faith:

Embarrassed, apparently, and determined out of filial piety to misrepresent Islam to others and, most importantly, to himself. For those whose views this writer claims do "not represent Islam" represent it, represent what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, very well, reflect the behavior of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, not at all inaccurately. Those imams and sheikhs who are quoted, and whom the writer deplores, are not bad Muslims, not misguided Muslims. They are Muslims in a great traditiion. Their views were acted upon, over 1350 years, from Spain to the East Indies.

It is the Muslim writer, who misinforms Infidels as to the nature of Islam, in the best case out of his own ignorance and naivete, in the more likely case, out of a desire not to see what anyone can see, if they choose without parti pris to study the texts of Islam, the 1350-year history of Islamic conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, and the present-day behavior and attitudes of Muslims around the world, especially in Dar al-Islam, where they need not hide their real views, need not pretend that Islam is all sweetness and light, as this Muslim writer, supposedly anguished about those whom he ludicrously calls "Pseudo-Muslims" but carefully refrains from showing us, quoting sura and ayat, in what way those "Pseudo-Muslims" are indeed "psuedo" and not the real thing -- allows himself, and more sinisterly, us -- the Infidels, to believe.

He needs to read Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan. They were all born into Islam. They were all raised in Muslim milieus. They have all testified as to what Muslims say in front of Infidels, and what they say when they think they are among only fellow Muslims.

Who is the "Pseudo-Muslim"? Is it #1513 Bahr Ahmad Bahr of Gaza "Palestine," the acting "#1525, Mahmoud Al Hasan of Pakistan, the leader of the Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen? Is it #1527 Dr. Ismail Radwan of Gaza, "Palestine"? Or #1528, Anjem Choudary, Attorney of London, UK?

Well, Sheila Musaji is angry. She is angry, supposedly, at those whose words are quoted. But she is also angry at "the person who did this"?
What does she mean by that? She is angry at the very intelligent poster -- apostate or non-Muslim -- who sick of the nonsense and lies that the musajis of this world peddle about Islam, never taking the time to show us how the texts contradict the bloodcurdling stuff that has been put right on the phony petition where the unfoolable and also the naive will have a chance to read those words, from Chaudry and Baur and Hassan and others -- and realize what a crock the whole thing is.

Sheila Musaji ends telling us that the people quoted do not "represent any Muslims I know, and they certainly don’t represent Islam." Well, she should tell us how she knows this. Because these are not people writing in a void. In some cases, as with the "Palestinians" quoted, they are leaders, and all of them are prominent among Muslims. And does she not know what Saudi sheiks and imams declare evrey day on Saudi television? Has she not read what the Sheik al-Azhar has written -- the informal head of Sunni Islam's religious education? Or what the late Ayatollah Khomeini has written? (google "Ayatollah Khomeini" and "Jihad Watch" and "Kill them") Or what Al-Qaradawi has said about suicide bombing? Or what tens of thousands of Muslim clerics have said, are saying,evrey day to hundreds of millions of Muslims?

Or for that matter, what does Sheila Musaji make of the texts of Islam? Start with 9.29 or a dozen others, or a hundred others listed in the Calcutta Qur'an Petitiion, and Sheila Musaji, PLEASE EXPLAIN.

We're all ears. 5.5 billion non-Muslims (yes, we too can count) are all ears. We're waiting for the explanation.

As far as I can tell, there is only one "pseudo-muslim". I don't think they are muslim -- more likely a well-meaning antijihadist non-muslim with a "bright idea". This sort of thing is tempting but the tactic is immature and unbefitting for the antijihad movement. What is needed is straightforward speaking of truth, not pretense and dissimulation.

That said, the fellow is doing no harm. There is nothing criminal about using open petitions to make political or sociological points as long as the discourse is not defamatory -- after all, that is the point of petitions in the first place. I am not familiar with all of the quotes Ps-Mu used, but it appears these are all genuine quotes by prominent muslim leaders, so there is nothing inplicitly defamatory about these comments; it is just an impolite form of discourse.

I prefer to listen to Spencer, who is forthright and gracious in his conversations. There is no point adopting the tactics of Islamists; our business should not be to send confusing messages because of a flip approach.

The kafir who goes
into enemy territory
and delivers cutting blows,
no matter how clumsy his tactics,
his strategy is brilliant
and he deserves our praise
for leaving his safe abode
and taking up the sword of the pen
to engage the believers in battle.

You've gotta love the logic of many of these muslim-born westerners or, more specifically, the muslim immigrants to the West. With all of their cries about the "true Islam" they become witnesses to their own deceit. If you have to go to NON MUSLIM countries to be tolerant of other religions and not take part in mainstream doctrines that are violent, what does that say about the religion? The birthplace/source of the religion is incorrect and the new western locale is supportive of true islam? They are in fact witnesses to themselves that they lie about Islam.

Palamas

It is the Muslim writer, who misinforms Infidels as to the nature of Islam, in the best case out of his own ignorance and naivete, in the more likely case, out of a desire not to see what anyone can see, if they choose without parti pris to study the texts of Islam, the 1350-year history of Islamic conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, and the present-day behavior and attitudes of Muslims around the world, especially in Dar al-Islam, where they need not hide their real views, need not pretend that Islam is all sweetness and light, as this Muslim writer, supposedly anguished about those whom he ludicrously calls "Pseudo-Muslims" but carefully refrains from showing us, quoting sura and ayat, in what way those "Pseudo-Muslims" are indeed "psuedo" and not the real thing -- allows himself, and more sinisterly, us -- the Infidels, to believe.
Posted by Hugh

Calling Islam a 'religion of peace' must be the biggest lie on Earth.

We know who authors lies... Who is still fool enough to believe their 'pseudo-truths'?

Bottle up Islam in Saudi Arabia where it belongs like a poisonous genie in a bottle, and bury it there. No more lies.

Dear Shiela is no eighteen or twenty's something revert.

She is The American Muslim's editor in chief.

Here's Daniel Pipes' take on that publication:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/168
Note the icon and the description.

Another article from The American Muslim:

How to Make America an Islamic Nation

by Yahiya Emerick
http://www.jannah.org/articles/america.html

"I was born and raised here. This is my land. I'll raise my children here, Insha'allah and probably be buried here as well. I knew that by accepting Islam I was declaring that America needed to do so too. America, my home, would naturally become an Islamic country one day. There is no other way to think if you are a truly conscientious believer in Allah."

Of course, he's right.

Another article from The American Muslim:

How to Make America an Islamic Nation

by Yahiya Emerick
http://www.jannah.org/articles/america.html

Here's another quote from the same article by Yahiya:

"I still remember my first visit to the area fondly. I was attending a meeting of the newly-formed local ICNA group and had never been exposed to the place before. What I saw amazed me. I was elated, in fact! Children were saying salaams to me on the street and women (in hijab) were walking around and going places leisurely and confidently. I saw Muslims who were Arab, Black and Bengali. But what took the cake for me was when out of nowhere I heard the adhan outdoors over a loudspeaker. They fought the city council and won the right to do adhan five times a day in the community!
Something clicked in the minds of these people. The Yemenis formed a master plan and determined to stay together. They set up a fund and slowly bought one house after another, moving Muslim families in and drug-infested kafirs out, until they literally had thousands of Muslims businesses and stores in the heart of the community and bought a huge Catholic church and made it into a beautiful masjid. They even made a small community health care center!
When we were leaving our meeting and walking to the masjid for salat, it was the most beautiful sight: from all directions, men, women and children, of all races, were going to their masjid as a community. I've never been to Muslim country before, but I'll tell you this much, I felt as if I were in an Islamic country. And this wasn't Egypt or India or Turkey. It was right here - in America".

Learn to love those "outdoor loudspeakers" blaring adhan five times a day in your neighborhood. They won the right to noise pollution in Detroit, watch it spread through America's heartland as they leak in with vast numbers through our porous borders.

It's simple. They want to take over. Screw'em, don't let them. We will not surrender our freedoms to these Slaves of Allah, no matter what they believe. Freedom and slavery are mutually self excluding, and on this there can be no compromise. If they want to live in Allah's slavery, then they do not belong in America, or the West. Nor should they be allowed to use our democratic process to impose their slavery, and noise pollution, in our lands.

Send them back to where they came from, close down their noise machines and jihad headquarters, and bring back the real world. Islamists live in delusional mind stifling self imposed repression, hijab and burqa, of self made portable prisons of the mind. Their men abuse their women as Mohammed told them to, and bow mechanically five times daily to their prince of repression's Mecca. So they can never embrace equality of gender or tolerance of our freedoms. Why are they coming here, if not to conquer us, and make our world look more like the one they 'escaped' from? Does the West really want to become like Pakistan or Egypt, or Saudi Arabia? Keep them there, not here.

Politicians and civic leaders who allow for this infiltration of our society based on freedom with populations who want to dismantle our constitutional freedoms with sharia law should be prosecuted for seditious activities against the United States. Why are there mosques being built here, which harbor such seditious activities hostile to our way of life; while churches, which do not harbor seditious activities and are not a hostile presence, are not allowed to be built in Islamic lands? Where is reciprocity of equal respect for religions here? Why are we allowing bases of conquest by a people hostile to our freedoms to be built here? If they want to listen to the call of Allah five times a day, have them move back to where they came from. We must not allow this in the West, no minarets, no loudspeakers blaring "Allah!" and no sharia slavery, ever. Their primitive tribal laws of Islam does not allow them to integrate with 'infidel' societies, so they remain a real and present danger always.

No free people should ever allow the Islamization of their nation. We must close them down. With Islam there is no middle ground of tolerance. Either they accept our constitutionally protected inalienable rights, or they are an invading force, and they go.

The above is a dead giveaway: it proves all and everything we have always maintained.

It proves without a doubt that the apologist Sheila Musaji is in fact a Muhammedan agit prop, another one of so many who uses kitman and taqiyya to deflect and obscure the pesky kufar, 'don't look too close'- she sez, for you might not like what you see, its not good for you infidel'- how awful, how deceitful, how despicable. And yet, it is exactly this behavior that makes Sheila and her co-conspirators 'good' Muslims, the best. Muhammad would love 'em. He really would.