More from the Middle Eastern tour of our indomitable Secretary for Wishful Thinking.
From Breitbart:
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice prayed at the Biblical birthplace of Jesus Christ on Wednesday, promoting religion in the quest for Middle East peace during intense diplomacy."Being here at the birthplace of my lord and saviour Jesus Christ has been a very special and moving experience," said the top US diplomat, a devout Christian whose father and grandfather were Presbyterian ministers.
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Wearing a light green trouser suit, Rice spent about half an hour inside the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, visiting its Greek Orthodox, Armenian and Catholic chapels and the exact spot where Christians believe Christ was born.
She prayed and later emerged, saying her visit had been a personal reminder of the power of religion to heal and reconcile those who live in the Holy Land -- where Rice has said it is time for a Palestinian state alongside Israel.
The Almighty was not available for comment.
"These great monotheist religions that have inhabited this land together have an opportunity to overcome differences, to put aside grievances, to make the power of religion a power of healing and a power of reconciliation."What these great holy sites remind us of is that the three great religions indeed share a common vision of peace and a common vision of our humanity. That is what I will ultimately take away from this visit," she said.
As bad as US policy is, it is compounded immeasurably by these soapy attempts at theological diplomacy. What on earth do a Galilean Carpenter, who explicitly rejected violence and voluntarily went to His death, and a conquering warlord responsible for the massacre of between 600 and 900 men (the Jewish Bani Quraiza, according to the canonical Islamic sources) and numerous other deaths and atrocities have in common? "A common vision for humanity"? Are you kidding me?
The one missing ingrediant is the fact that we have two true religions and one political idealogy that is wearing the "robe" of religion. Let's take a guess as to what it is.
It's ironic that she should say this in the part of the world where Islamic persecution has rendered Christianity so attenuated as to be almost non-existent.
Well if the Taliban are ever in charge of the "holy" site, she can rejoice in the sight of them blowing it to bits, whilst rejoicing in the end of another blasphemy removed from the planet.
She's better start praying now.
She should personally deliver that message to the holy sites of Islam: Mecca and Medina. Let's see some of that equivalence in action and also what Muslims would have to say about that.
Rice and the Perpetual C-student President do not care what is true, as they strive for an uptick in Muslim public opinion. We can only hope that the next administration will be more clear-headed, or at least less prone to saying nonsense and lies.
This is so pathetic, I wonder if she's seen the 95 reasons yet?
SerbInfidel - Unless I'm mistaken, dirty kaffirs are not permitted to visit Macca under any circumstances, as they will pollute it by their mere presence. Gotta' love the "kingdom"...
Guys, I have a question & Im not very clear on how this will solve anything, but here it goes.
All Judasm, Christian/Evangilsm, islam rooted from Abrahamic faith.
According to Judasm, they were chosen, According to Christians, they were completing Judasm, & Islam says, #1 & #2 are wrong, Islam follows the right way.
If Islam, strives to be closest to the Abrahamic faith, they should all be abhramalites.
Will Islam have any grounds if we, the non muslims commit to the Abrahamic faith?
Correct me if Im wrong. Does it make some sense?
'The Almighty was not available for comment' :)
I liked that one.
Althought the Almighty has already commented on the subject.
One of His positions was regarding the land of Israel. Even in todays time.... violence, destruction, natural or mankind, war, or disasters follows quickly everytime any part of Israeli land is negotiated away from the Jews. It always follows the individual politician or country that orchestrated the land transfer.
I know, I know, just a coincidence. ('The Almighty was not available for comment')..............OR was He. Was anyone listening?
Secretary of Wishful Thinking - priceless
". . . the three great religions indeed share a common vision of peace and a common vision of our humanity . . . " Based on that, she is Secreatary of Not Having a Clue.
Tjwork - No
A confused and delirious Condi Rice said
Just like religion (specifically one particular religion) has always been a power of healing and reconciliation in dar al-Islam. Muslims lived in peace for centuries with Jews and Christians, until troublemakers like Spencer and Horowitz started forcing the moderate Muslims to become extremist, through their reference to the constant acts of religiously-justified violent attacks against non-Muslims by Muslims.
"A common vision of peace". When historians look back for evidence of the complete and utter lack of understanding of basic Islamic core beliefs within the schizophrenic cloud of wishful thinking that is the Bush foreign policy, this statement will be Exhibit A.
We have more than a year of this sort of "brilliant scholarship" to endure, to be followed by something not much better, I'm afraid.
". . . her visit had been a personal reminder of the power of religion to heal and reconcile those who live in the Holy Land . . . "
Well, 1350 years after Mohammed finished his work, I don't think there has been much reconciliation. I don't think there will be any either.
MP said
I'm confident SerbInfidel knows that, and also knows the penalty for kaffirs who enter those "holy" cities. Let her pontificate on the peaceful tolerance taught by Islam, up until the moment the scimitar completes its descent, making its point of clarification.
"Unless I'm mistaken, dirty kaffirs are not permitted to visit Macca under any circumstances, as they will pollute it by their mere presence."
-- from a posting above
No, Infidels are forbidden. But Burckhardt snuck in, and Burton, and Snouck Hurgronje. No doubt there have been dozens or possibly hundreds of others.
"These great monotheist religions that have inhabited this land together have an opportunity to overcome differences, to put aside grievances, to make the power of religion a power of healing and a power of reconciliation.
"What these great holy sites remind us of is that the three great religions indeed share a common vision of peace and a common vision of our humanity. That is what I will ultimately take away from this visit," she[Condoleeza Rice] said.
-- from the article above
Is that what those holy sites remind us? Surely the fixing, by an early Umayyad caliph, of the "farthest mosque" in Jerusalem, right on top of Temple Mount, thereby claiming it for Islam and denying the claims to either the Temple Mount, or to Jerusalem, of both Jews and Christians, tell us something else. Islam, the geopolitics of Islam that are central not tangential, cannot conceive of a state run by Infidels in the Land of Israel (for Jews) or the Holy Land (for Christians). An ill-considered backwater during centuries of Muslim rule, Jerusalem remained so save on two occasions: the first was when the Christians re-possessed it, as a limited reaction to centuries of Muslim attacks, and especially, beginning with the Caliph Hakim in 1009, and extending through the entire eleventh century (with the Seljuk Turks being especially ruthless), and the second was when the Jews were granted the right to return to Mandatory Palestine, in order to buy land and to settle, for it was deemed just that in the vast re-assignment of territories after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, that the Arabs should have a state, the Jews should have a state, the Kurds should have a state, and the Armenians should have a state. As we all know, the Arabs received so many states, that now they have twenty-two, and on top of that, many of those states possess entirely unmerited oil wealth, which has made the Arab Muslims the beneficiaries of the greatest transfer of wealth in human history. The Armenians got only a rump state within the USSR, and only recently acquired a real, independent Armenia. The Kurds may be able to turn their autonomous region in northern Iraq into an independent state, having been foiled by the Turks who managed to undo the promise of that Kurdish state back in 1924. And what about the Christians of the Middle East, including those who used Arabic but did not consider themselves Arabs? It was no doubt felt at the time that the League of Nations was setting up the Mandate system that the Maronites in Lebanon, where Christians were then a majority, would continue to dominate, and serve as a refuge for Christians. And the Muslim Arabs were so weak, so disorganized, that it did not seem possible that they would do what they have been steadily doing for the past eighty years: keeping steady pressure on, discriminating against, sometimes persecuting and even massacring (as in Iraq in 1933) Christians everywhere that Muslims have come to dominate, in Egypt, in Syria, in Lebanon, in Iraq. For in the end, if Muslims no longer feel they need placate the once overwhelmingly more powerful West (and oil money, and what it can buy, makes them think and act otherwise), they will do what they are doing. It comes naturally.
The Christian Ms. Rice should brush up on the word of her God, who said "I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
"Wearing a light green trouser suit, Rice spent about half an hour inside the Church of the Nativity..."
So...what is the significance of the "light green trouser suit?" They never used to tell us what Colin Powell was wearing on his trips to the Middle East. Is this the kind of fashion report we have to look forward to if Hillary becomes president?
Matches our great Empire State Building from this past weekend (think it was last weekend) I suppose.
I am sure some in the administration thought they could get Islam to start reforming itself by trying to live up to the Bush fairy tale mantras of "religion of peace" and "one of the three great religions," ... mantras which were repeated ad nauseam immediately after 911 and since.
Instead, what we are seeing is that some in the administration, notably Ms. Rice, may actually believe this crap.
All the while Islam remains as virulent as ever, like a cancer growing on a patient who hasn't a clue.
You would think, after 1400 years of experience with Islam's hostility to everything that is not Islam, that our leaders might have learned that the "make nice" option doens't get the intended results.
Condi says "...the three great religions indeed share a common vision of peace and a common vision of our humanity."
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She obviously hasn't been reading the holy book of at least ONE of those 3 great Abrahamic religions.
By the way, I think part of the problem IS that Islam is an Abrahamic religion. The Abraham-and-Isaac idea that submission to God is paramount, even if He asks you to kill your own son, leaves open the possibility in all 3 religions that religious Joe Schmoe, believing God has called him to kill somebody, will do so out of faithful obedience. The Abrahamic traditions don't have a way of double-checking with God: "Hey, is that really You? Are You SURE about this? How do I know You mean it?" Then later, after the fact, when God didn't provide an alternate sacrifice, Joe can feel holy and righteous, knowing he's done HIS part by obeying the command... How good to know that God really DID want that guy to die and now, of course, God recognizes Joe as a loyal believer who helped make God's will manifest!
Do any of these religions have a way to test between "crazy" and "God spoke to me"?
Islam is not an Abrahamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMu79XbYJwc
“I know that sometimes a Palestinian state living side by side in peace with Israel must seem like a very distant dream. But I know too, as a student of international history, that there are so many things that once seemed impossible that, after they happened, simply seemed inevitable. I’ve read over the last summer the biographies of America’s Founding Fathers. By all rights, America, the United States of America, should never have come into being.”
--Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, 11OCT06
At least we know she read something about the Framers in 2005. And she has a dream.
Provost, Stanford University.
Correction, 2006.
When Condi visited the place where Jesus was born, did anyone hear a groan?
"Will Islam have any grounds if we, the non muslims commit to the Abrahamic faith?" Posted by: tjwork
I don't understand this question. Would you clarify it, please?
In the Bible, God says that He is "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" (Exodus 3:6 & 3:16).
This is not the god that Muslims worship. Christians and Jews would be sinning if they turned their backs on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I don't see why anyone should change their religion because of Islam. Perhaps that is not what you are saying?
(Non-religious folks, please excuse me.)
Just because a desert pedophile and slaveholding warlord claimed that his tribe was descended from "Ishmael", Abraham's bastard son with a slave girl Hagar, doesn't make it so.
Just as claiming that Abraham built the Ka'aba doesn't make it true.
Why does anyone buy their claims without any proof?
And what proof could there be that Arabs are descendants of the primordial father of the Jews?
DNA testing?
(Wouldn't that make them Jews, anyway?)
I don't think they've thought this through.
Nor has Rice, or Bush, or anyone else who swallows this assertion unexamined.
Islam is both a Jewish and gnostic Christian heresy.
If they have any genetic relationship to the Jews (and Abraham) has yet to be determined.
Let the swabs begin.
Ms. Rice is someone for whom I have great respect in general and whose Christian belief seems quite sincere as evidenced by her actions in visiting a a small Protestant congregation for Sunday services in Red China deliciously discomforting her hosts and some of our own secular USA press. I do love seeing this elegantly dressed, intelligent BLACK WOMAN come bounding down the steps of Air Force II in some Muslim lands and seeing her extend her hand to those backward misogynistic sheiks and leaders. I love seeing those 7th century dolts have to acknowledge a powerful Black Christian woman considering how many of her sisters in Christ and in her race have been enslaved and slaughtered in this and past centuries.
That being said, Ms. Rice, many of her fellow Protestants, many of my fellow Catholics, and even some posters at this site have forgotten Matthew 24: verse 23 -26 wherein Christ warns about the false messiahs and false prophets. "And when they tell you he is out in the desert, go not there."
Doesn't sound like Jesus was preaching a Gospel of syncretism and ecu-mania to me. Certainly Jesus words, life and death were the repudiation of that philosophy of Ms. Rice's boss that, aw heck, it's all the same god.
I'm sure this has been said before in some form, but the way Mo' got converts is same way any sociopath/psychopath gets converts. If someone is charismatic and proactive enough and says the right thing to suffering people he/she can always get converts. Add sex and violence to the mix and you get a prehistoric Charles Manson. I really don't know how a person of (any) sensible Faith can see Mo' as a valid prophet or liken him to a great master,teacher,guru,etc. He was a power and lust driven meglomaniac.
Our Prez recently stated that we all worship the same God. WRONG!!!! Apologies to W and all you atheists but the God I worship is NOT the same God Muslims worship!! The Christian God is LOVE! a word not even found in the Qur'an!