Sorry, but deep down you know the ole Saudi wishes he was as bad as Darth Vader. And if it wasn't for the good ole United States of America he might not still be a king.
bugawandi or whatever his name is from the MCB in that video calims that there are over 2 million muslims? there were 1.6 a few months ago?
the MCB is nothing more than an invasion force.
Slightly off topic, but a few years ago the Japanese Prime Minister visited Ottawa, and the armed forces band was playing the Colonel Bogie March (theme music from the movie “Bridge on the River Kwai”) as he was inspecting the honour guard. A few heads apparently rolled on that one. You gotta love the military.
"In order for Islam to spread, we have no need for a sword or a bomb. There are 50 million Muslims in Europe, and bear in mind that there are signs that Islam will appear in Europe without recourse to violence or conquest. These fifty million Muslims will transform Europe into a Muslim continent within a few decades. God will make Turkey an integrated part of the European Union so that the number of European Muslims may grow to hundreds of millions. Albania, a Muslim nation, is already a part of Europe. The same is true for Bosnia where 50% of the population is Muslim. The statistics show that there are thousands of mosques in Europe and that Muslim organizations and associations flourish there.
Europe, like the United States, is caught in a trap: either they admit that they will, in the future, become Muslim nations, or else they declare war on the Muslims.
The statistics that I cited have been proven. I have the figures in my possession. The number of Muslims in Europe is about 50 million while the number of mosques and Islamic centers is approaching 14,000, besides the 1500 organizations, associations and Islamic institutions. The number of these institutions will grow with the passing of time, not to mention the Turkish, Bosnian and Albanian populations. In other words, the word of God is about to be carried out to place Islam above all other religions despite polytheists."
This was over at LGF yesterday; titled Video: Saudi Hate Literature In British Mosques; which dealt primarily with Inyat Bunlawala's refusal to condemn the standard Muslim hate literature that is so frequently found at British Mosques.
Briefly for now and not related to this post per se:
I am a new commenter to the blog. I have been reading for awhile and decided to join the comments gang. Finished Dr. Spencer's 'Onward Muslim Soldiers' and 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades'. Next up on my reading list: 'Islam Unveiled'. I am working my way towards the newer books. I have been following the topic of Jihad and this man's work for some time.
So, is the Queen above wearing the abya as would be fitting in the presence of a superior, the Saudi Darth Vader? After all: Mrs. Bush looks well in that self effacing black garbage bag - why not lesser British royalty. Will islamophobic wonders never end??
Maybe I'll be the first to say welcome Dumpling. Geez o peetz, the closest book store for me is 52 miles,and dang it I'm still on dial up. But I'll say welcome, and now back to Jihad Watch..............
Brilliant. Someone’s neck is on the block tonight for this one. Hopefully the blogosphere can keep him in the spotlight.
Rumor has it that the BBC has edited footage and replaced Star Wars with some other song. That is a story that needs to be explored. Who ordered the editing? On who’s authority?
This, thought Winston, was the most frightening aspect of the party regime-that it could obliterate memory, turn lies into Truth and alter the Past. The Party slogan was “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”
-Orwell
Funniest damned thing since...that snivelling imam in Cleveland in today's other thread...LMAO
Oh, my kid tried to correct me...he said it's the Imperial March (whatever the hell difference that makes, lol)...I don't care either way, that's funny!
Last time I saw something remotely like that was when Rush Limbaugh played that to the tune of Gorby's arrival for the Iceland summit with the subject of "Gorbasms of the media" from their excessive fawning over him...lol
Classic...one for the hstory books.
(Robert, this must be archived for posterity! lol)
Unbelievable. It could not have had been an accident. Long live British irony!
By the way, this book looks interesting.
"Buy the Book
Forever Young
By Christopher Orlet
Published 10/26/2007 12:07:15 AM
The Death of the Grown-up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization
By Diana West"
"West concludes with a stern warning that permanent adolescence puts us at risk before a confident and imperialist political Islam. Not surprisingly her critics have had at her for implying that it takes self-assured grown-ups to recognize and respond to the threats posed to Western Civilization -- that immature tree humpers and naked peace marchers are not up to the job. William Grimes of the New York Times dismissed West's book with the headline "Dress like Your Child, Terrorists win." Understandably, West's critics are discomfited. No one likes to hear that his worldview is infantile, and it is all the more unsettling when statistics and research support your thesis."
The first visit by a monarch from the Saudi entity in 20 years, and you really think the choice of music like food (no pork - remember, no pork!) was not carefully vetted by the highest level? This was an intentional thing. It's great. It would have been better if they had not hosted the world's terror-spreading epicenter's "king" in the first place, but this was a nice jab, as they otherwise kissed his left-hand-washed rear.
Later in the clip, the Bunglawala guy, who looks like a Pakistani Jeff Goldblum, says:
"Well, John, we live in a democratic society, and open society, were we are PROUD that we have a whole range of books, provided that they do not break the law..."
The silly hypocritical protestations and convoluted excuses ("it's a historic ruling") of this Wahhabi make the case against Islamism better than anything else, even better than the other fellow, Godson. People see through this crap. Most people are turned off, and the loonie left love it because they find kindred anti-Westerners. But everyone sees through it.
The discussion is Bung against God. Funny too. Accident? Well, that one probably is, but the music was no accident.
"This story nicely captures the nature of the purest, most undiluted, version of Islam that is represented by Saudi Arabia. The next time you see a gaggle of assorted ruling family members, those princelings and their courtiers who have seized the wealth of "Saudi" Arabia -- the result of an accident of geology -- largely for themselves, engaged in some tribal dance, all daggers-and-dishdashas, or swishing forward as their flock of black-draped wives is herded along behind them, into some bank in Mayfair, to discuss a financial transaction or, having taken over a floor or two at the Plaza Athenee, or some Relais-et-Chateaux resort, or perhaps just out for some shopping in London or Marbella, or attending some international gathering of panjandrums where those Saudis will be taken seriously by the cowed leaders of the impressionable Western world -- just think of this court decision, and what it says about the view of men and women, and everything else that it tells us about the mental set of the people in the country of Saudi Arabia.
Despite the P.R. campaigns and all the bought-and-paid for Western ex-diplomats, ex-C.I.A. men, journalists, and so on, despite those in the ruling class with their outwardly Western ways, from the soft voice and sincere expression of the Crown Prince Abdullah to the "nudge-nudge-wink-wink-have-a-glass-of-port-we-are-all-men-of-the-world here and of-course-we're-corrupt-isn't-everyone-but-we-have-our-limits Prince Bandar -- each has his special performance that is given repeatedly to Westen inerlocutors, who continue to demonstrate an inexhaustible ability to allow themselves to be fooled, by the Saudis as by other Arab Muslims (the Egyptians and Jordanians trot out their best figures; in the case of the latter, now that the "plucky little king" is gone, do not forget for a minute that even 30 years of being the recipients of the largest transfer of wealth in human history, which wealth bought the leisure to study, to travel, to think, and to observe how things are done elsewhere, has not made the slightest dent on the primitive workings of primitive minds with a primitive ideology. Brainwashed young, Saudis, returning from their years of freedom (fast cars, fast Western girls, bought-and-paid for termpapers and even "doctoral" theses -- that's what that freedom was used for) in the West, rarely demonstrate that those years in the advanced outside had any effect on their mentality w.
There are exceptions. Some of those exceptions are condemned to living in Saudi Arabia, because that is "where the money is." They get out for a breath of fresh air whenever they can, using Europe and America as their funfair-cum-brothel. Occasionally, behind the high walls of Saudi palace-houses, one may whisper to another about their secret conclusions, though never about Islam itself (perhaps a few proudly keep in their London flats Cook and Crone's "Hagarism" or even Luxenberg's philological study of the early Qur'an -- the Arab Muslim version of proscribed texts).
In Saudi itself, a few of them may write a few articles suggesting that the "extremists" have it wrong are now permitted -- as long as it is understand that what those "extremists" have wrong is not the attacks on the Western world, but the attacks on the ruling class in Saudi Arabia itself, and above all in labelling that ruling class as "infidel." In other words, they are allowed to enjoy the freedom to preach: take your Jihad elsewhere, and leave the House of Al-Saud alone. And this is misunderstood in the West as a sign of "reform" (nonsense) in Saudi Arabia.
"Tribes with flags" is how many describe the states of the Arabian Peninsula, the Jazirat al-arab. Even truer, and more trippingly alliterative, would be the formula that sums them all up: "Tribes with trillions." Fortunately, they have managed since 1973 to squander most of those trillions, and have failed, as under Islam they would necessarily fail, to develop a modern economy.
Helping to create the conditions in which the full failures -- political, economic, intellecutal, and social -- of Islamic countries, precisely to the extent that they adhere to Islam -- should be the goal of Western foreign policy. Ceasing to pay the jizya of foreign aid to the likes of Egypt and Pakistan and Jordan (and not to contribute anything more to Iraq) would help hasten the day when those failures, and their connection to the fatalism, despotism, and supremacist ideology of Islam, will be apparent to more and more non-Arab Muslims, and even to Arabs, whose sense of self is so completely wrapped up with Islam.
A Franco-Armenian architect who spent years building military cities in Saudi Arabia, asked to describe what that country was like, replied:
"Money can buy everything."
And then he added: "Except civilization."
Dumpling...welcome. Proceed at your own peril. Though this forum has many learned commenters, irt appears to me that few here realize the exact nature of the peril we all face. Please arm yourself, learn to fight off multiple attackers, and have an escape plan ready to go. I am not kidding. I have extensive experience with receiving cruel and unusual physical punishment from my own "Saddam Hussein" stepfather (cigarettes on the bottoms of my feet for getting a "B" in math). I swear on my life. If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
Be careful what you say to people outside this forum, and if possible, use all available methods to hide your ip address, etc.
In the most direct, honest and friendly manner I can state, please immediatley enroll in firearm and edged weapons training with experienced people...and I mean combat or street fight veterans. Get in the best physical shape you can, and have an escape plan. Do not let yourself be cornered by a group, ever. Do not be taken hostage or surrender, EVER. Once you see a beheading video, you will understand my advice. Lofty discussions cannot save you, and this topic is no joke.
Look carefully into what Mr. Spencer and Mr. Fitzgerald, two great writers and very brave and learned men, have to say...remember the only person who ever scared muslims away was Vlad Tepes, the Impaler (Dracula) of Romania. The Ottoman Turks realized he was crueler than anything they had ever seen (thousands upon thousands impaled alive in trees outside his castle), and it worked...for a time.
One of my first posts here was after watching the poor Nick Berg being beheaded, and I immediately offered Mr. Spencer safe haven and pleaded with him to be very cautious. I can only offer the same advice to you. Hopefully you have some military training, or know someone who has, to get you off to a good start.
Please take my writings both now and in the future with a grain of salt, knowing that I am very upset by what I have seen, and know that I am telling you the gods honest truth...others may be able to confirm this
The Saudi King was probably clueless to the Darth Vader greeting since His Holiness has never set foot inside a filthy movie theater or Blockbuster before.
One last thing Dumpling... I worked for the Office of the Provost Marshal (MP Headquarters) for all of Europe during the early 1980's...we had several bomb threats from the Red Brigade, and the Bader-Meinhof group. We had to evacuate the buildings and trust our lives the nose of a bomb-sniffing dog. There is nothing like having to run for your life, then trusting your life to an animal.
Then, my folks flew into Vienna Airport to visit me, and narrowly escaped the PLO attack on the El-Al ticket counter by half an hour. Google it if you don't believe me.
I almost visited a relative who was a travelling nurse in NYC right before the WTC attacks. Thank god she was nowhere near danger. Terrorists tried to kill me and my relatives, save half an hour or so. My writings reflect this, and sometimes get deleted. Take care. AT
A very funny musical joke! I doubt that receiving "dignitaries" were in on it though. More likely it was the work of someone connected to the band in charge of repertoire who is so near to retirement that he didn't care about repercussions.
Not a "Concertmaster" though since that would be a first violinist.
"As good as the Marine Corps Band playing "The Monty Python Theme" (a Sousa March) at Bill Clinton's first inaugural." --profitsbeard
Ahhhh....it's all starting to make sense! King Abdullah is Darth Vader, Mohammed is the Emperor and bin Laden is just some low level like Darth Maul or something! LOL
It's gotten so old from all the moronic insults, it's become hilarious now...even the President joked about it over Halloween... http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Oct31/0,4670,CheneyDarthVader,00.html
...so yeah, the event in the UK proved hilarious, and in more ways than one...like it just did with the unholy alliance...
...and "you ain't seen nothing yet!"
lol
Mr Borg, I can echo what Quadaffi says about muslims in the West. Last year when I travelled to a marriage in the UK (2nd cousins), it was like home to home minus the (hot Pak) weather.
No longer do muslim folk have to travel back to Pak to get all the raz-mataz for their wedding....it's all there in the UK ....and in bucket loads.
Personally I have not been to the Amerike ...but I imagine the situation is not (or will not be soon) so different.
I wonder (as the muslim population rises) ...whether there will be a partition of western countries...like India and Pakistan ....let us hope not and that Allah Paak is merciful...teaching us all to live as one under sharia lite.
I had a thought the other day....after partition what India did was to add the colour green to their flag to welcome muslims into the new India....now that is a grand gesture.
I wonder if in time whether the Amerike will be as magnanmous....what is ironic is that adding green to your red and blue stars will result in all the primary colours being present (and remebering from my physics class days in the UK)....resulting in all white....effectively a surrender flag...when the green of Islam is added to it.
Remember Indian womens wear white for the rest of their lives on the passing of their hubby.
!!!!!!Alhumdulilla!!!!
How very appropriate if the future flag of the Amerike is brilliant white.
Naseem, Green is not a primary color in pigments. Green is the result of mixing blue and yellow.
You were talking about flags not TV screens.
I suggest you stay in Pakistan. The educational system there is such that literate people like you are becoming very, very rare. You will be needed. There are too many intelligent women in American for you to make an impact.
Glad to see you're still trolling around out there.
I'm sure a physics class in Pakistan is more concerned with the colours of various detonator wires than with the mixing of primary colours to make white light.
White is the colour of purity. The colour of purity found only in The Word of God. By accepting the truth (that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life) we are washed in His blood and made pure. Our filthiness is made white as snow. Something for you to think about...
"Dumpling...welcome. Proceed at your own peril. Though this forum has many learned commenters, irt appears to me that few here realize the exact nature of the peril we all face. Please arm yourself, learn to fight off multiple attackers, and have an escape plan ready to go. I am not kidding."
If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
Posted by AmericanTiger
People of the female persuasion? WTF?
I am a woman and I have watched all the beheading videos, and read all the horrendous, sickening information about islam that's out there on the internet. I don't hate the horrific truth. I hate the ideology which allows it, encourages it, and rewards it. I hate islam.
You seem to suggest that women are too squeamish, too weak, to handle the truth. What are ya - a muslim?
The English do have an aristocratic (and intelligent) way to insert irony and sarcasm into their sense of humour. The Arabs probably still don't know what hit them. Still, it was just a "joke". Hate literature is not a joke, and infinitely more dangerous.
On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.
Well, the sad thing here is that it's probably not Abdullah, but Nayef, who deserves this movie score.
During the time that he acted as regent for his brother, Fahd, Abdullah was bound by law and tradition to manifest what would have been Fahd's wishes. Fahd, earlier in his life the sleaziest of all possible monarchs, who "bought" a 12-year-old girl from Hassan II of Morocco to the angry vexation of Muslims there, was a total reprobate and drunk. But he was in the extreme "in" side of the Wahhabis, and in his middle years became a major proponent of Wahhabi philosophy and was much responsible for its extremely well-funded spread. Along with Fahd there was Nayef.
Both Nayef, the interior minister responsible for the judiciary of the country, and Fahd are "Sudairi" -- the children of Ibn Sa'ud's favorite wife who have a stranglehold on the country.
King Abdullah is NOT Sudairi (strongly Wahhabi as was Ibn Saud) and was put into the line of succession in an attempt to move the rulership out of such total Wahhabi control. However, while Fahd was alive, he was bound by tradition to stay on the conservative side of things. Not a peep about women's rights, no pardons of people Nayef charged with petty crimes and then sentenced to 8,000 lashes or death.
But as soon as Fahd died and Abdullah became king himself, he started moving on the Wahhabi-Sudairi radicals.
The first thing he did, in 2005, was engineer the creation of the Eight Mahdhab (school of fiqh), which was strange-looking indeed. This school of fiqh adopted a shari'a law that was extremely strict but hadn't been practiced in more than 300 years. On the outside it looked like he had shifted to the more extreme; but the consensus among the think tankies that took this up was that it potentially presaged a move in which the Saudis jettisoned Wahhabism as the state religion of Saudi Arabia and tossed them the crumb of their own school of fiqh as a face-saving device.
As soon as this was accomplished, Abdullah pardoned The Three Knights -- the two university professors and SA's most outstanding poet (al-Domaini). Then he started the quiet municipal move toward *some* elected seats. Then he started making statements that women should be allowed to drive.
Then he started pulling radical imams out of the mosques and radical teachers out of the classrooms.
In the press he started allowing Saudi parents to start excoriating the imams for the killing of their kids by jihad, having sent them to Iraq on fatawa urging them to suicide to kill Americans and Shi'a Iraqis. Some 2,000 of them have died in such attacks, and Saudi parents are furious.
In Jeddah (site of the school fire in which imams forced young girls back into the flames because they had only their nightdresses on), there is open flouting of the religious police, and Abdullah lets it ride, by tactical example encouraging the populace to civil disobedience.
Then he did something very powerful and very scary: he moved against Nayef. Nayef is 2nd in line after bin Sultan for the crown. But Abdullah did not move Nayef into the ceremonial position that would have ensured his succession. He was stripped of his official position and left with only window-dressing responsibilities.
Nayef's reaction: immediately came out with a statement that women should be given more equality -- of course!
Does Nayef mean it? No, of course not!
Does Abdullah mean it? Yes, he does. Otherwise he would not have made so many extraordinary moves toward liberalization in so short a time.
Now the muttawiyyin are coming under indictment for their (many, many) crimes and there is nothing the judiciary that invented them can do about it.
Abdullah is moving as fast as hecan, but there are two major factors working against him:
(1) He is very old. He is 83 years old now, and although his health is obviously miraculous, he cannot be expected to reign or live for the decade or more it would probably take to make any significant progress, like canning the treatise that forms the core of judicial sentencing guidelines in favor of a rights-based civil consitution that escapes the worst form of shari'a on the planet. If he even tries this, the Wahhabis will revolt and there will be civil war, which one would hope the Al Sa'ud would win. In some Siamese twin separation operations, one twin has to die.
(2) The succession is now changed, which is good, but also dangerous. He will submit a list of three potential next kings, possibly sidestepping both Sultan and Nayef, and getting out of the Sudairi line altogether, which would be good. But at soon as such an announcement is made, if the Sudairi don't occupy all three candidacies, Abdullah may be assasssinated. Now allowing in a much wider votership for the monarchy, there could be internecine warfare breaking out along matrilineal lines.
So the bottom line is: this king is the best thing that could happen to us now, he has done the best that he could, and he didn't deserve the Darth Vader marching music.
That said, I can understand the sentiment, but in absolute truth, he's doing a remarkable job. Remarkable.
It looks like the video came from YouTube but I can't find it on YouTube. Perhaps someone there deleted it to avoid offending our Saudi masters further?
Naseem ... you are apparently just illiterate on this subject. Muslim demographics are about to peak and FALL. You'll be taking over nothing (except probably Europe, but then lose it), and you are in REAL DEMOGRAPHIC TROUBLE.
For the rest of you ... after you read this you'll realize why radical Islamists are trying SO HARD to keep control of their women's wombs -- and keep them illiterate. Barefoot, illiterate and pregnant as a weapon of war.
General staffs before World War I began war planning with demographic tables, calculating how many men of military age they might feed to the machine guns. France preferred an early war because its stagnant population would not produce enough soldiers a generation hence to fight Germany. Only Israel’s general staff looks at demographic tables today, to draw prospective boundaries that will enclose a future Jewish majority.
Demographics still provide vital strategic information, albeit in quite a different fashion. Today’s Islamists think like the French general staff in 1914. Islam has one generation in which to establish a global theocracy before hitting a demographic barrier. Islam has enough young men - the pool of unemployed Arabs is expected to reach 25 million by 2010 - to fight a war during the next 30 years. Because of mass migration to Western Europe, the worst of the war might be fought on European soil.
Although the Muslim birth rate today is the world’s second highest (after sub-Saharan Africa), it is falling faster than the birth rate of any other culture. By 2050, according to the latest UN projections, the population growth rate of the Muslim world will converge on that of the United States (although it will be much higher than Europe's or China's).
Falling fertility measures the growing influence of modernity upon the Muslim world. Literacy rates, especially female literacy, best explain the difference between the very high fertility rates of pre-modern society and the moderate fertility rates of industrial countries, as I showed in a recent study (Death by secularism: The statistical evidence, August 1, 2005).
This is clearly the case in the Muslim world where the lowest rates of adult literacy correspond to the highest population growth rate. Literacy alone explains 58% of the variation in birth rates among Muslim countries.
Urbanization, literacy, and openness to the modern world ultimately will suppress the Muslim womb, in the absence of radical measures. In a new volume of essays on modern Islamic thought, the Islamists Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M Nafi observe, “Rather than being a development within cultural traditions that is internally generated, 20th century Islamic thought is constitutively responsive; it is substantially a reaction to extrinsic challenges.” [1] The challenge stems from the transformation of Muslim life:
In the Middle East of 1900, for example, less than 10% of the inhabitants were city dwellers; by 1980, 47% were urban. In 1800, Cairo had a population of 250,000, rising to 600,000 by the beginning of the 20th century. The unprecedented influx of immigrants from rural areas brought the population of Cairo to almost 8 million by 1980. Massive urbanization altered patterns of living, of housing and architecture, of the human relation with space and land, of marketing, employment, and consumption, and the very structure of family and social hierarchy. [2]
The sharp fall in the Muslim population growth rate expresses the extreme fragility of traditional society. Translated into the Islamist vocabulary (citing again Taji-Farouki and Nafi), this means that:
A Muslim sense of vulnerability and outrage is further exacerbated by the seemingly unstoppable encroachment of American popular culture and modes of consumerism and the transparent hypocrisy of the American rhetoric of universal rights and liberties. It is also stoked by Western ambivalence towards economic disparities in the world. [3]
Rapid urbanization, to be sure, produced growing pains in every case on record. Britain transported its displaced population to America and then to Australia, including the “clearing” of entire Scots villages forced onto ships for Canada. But Britain’s urbanization coincided with rapid economic growth and improving living standards. The Arab world’s urbanization has only created a stagnant pool of urban poor. As the London Economist summarized in the United Nations Arab Development Report for 2002:
One in five Arabs still live on less than $2 a day. And over the past 20 years growth in income per head, at an annual rate of .5%, was lower than anywhere else in the world except sub-Saharan Africa. At this rate, says the report, it will take the average Arab 140 years to double his income, a target that some regions are set to reach in less than 10 years. Stagnant growth, together with a fast-rising population, means vanishing jobs. About 12 million people, or 15% of the labor force, are already unemployed, and on present trends the number could rise to 25 million by 2010. [4]
Excluding Indonesia, the Muslim’s world literacy rate stands at only 53%, against 81% for China; Arab literacy is only 50%. Only 1% of the population owns a personal computer. It is delusional to believe that the Arab world, which now exports (net of oil) as much as Finland, might come to compete with China, India and the rest of Asia in the global market for goods and services.
Just as the Muslim population peaks, the one bounty that nature has bestowed upon the Arabs, namely oil, will begin to diminish. According to the US Department of Energy, conventional oil production will peak just before 2050 at the present 2% rate of production growth.
In short, the Muslim world half a century from now can expect the short end of the stick from the modern world. It has generated only two great surpluses, namely people and oil. By the middle of the century both of these will have begun to dwindle. But at the moment it has 25 million idle young men. No leader can remain in power who does not give them a destination to march to.
By no means does that imply that all of these 25 million will become suicide bombers, but a great many of them are likely to emigrate to Europe, including Eastern Europe, where populations are stagnant and about to decline. A Muslim takeover of Western Europe surely is a possible outcome.
Notes
[1] Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M. Nafi, Islamic Thought in the Twentieth Century (Tauris: London 2004), p 9
[2] Ibid, p 2
[3] Op cit, p 14
[4] Economist, July 4, 2002
cruzado:
“On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.”
“I am the way, the light, and the truth and NO ONE comes to the Father except through me” John 14:6
I just happen to believe this and I’m sorry for you that you most likely don’t, cruzado. There is absolutely no “equivalence” whatsoever between Islam and Christianity and it is one of the greatest downfalls of our society of late that we seem to have lost the capacity to discriminate between good and evil. They are not ‘equivalent’ in the least and never were just that some have lost the ability to tell the difference. So hate me if you will but I must respectfully give my opinion concerning your obvious cynicism.
There's a very significant different between nasty fundamentalist Christians (like the "God Hates a Fag" guys who just rightfully got their butts sued for like $30 mil for abusing a family at the funeral of their soldier son) and the radical Islamists.
That principle difference is:
They are shooting, and they won't suicide bomb you to get you to convert to their religion.
this is a sad, pathethic hollow victory. a prank played by cannon fodder. can't you see? the queen, the british government and the conservatives have all bowed down before the wahabbi overlord without even a word of criticism for his regime, no calls for religious freedoms and an end to saudi repression, nothing but a banquet laid on for the head of the islamic invasion force.
sad, england lived 1000 years of freedom from invasion, millions over those years have given their lives. and yesterday it all ended, what a waste. what a sad little day, a sad little end to a once proud people who fought back with the theme from a fictional sci fi movie, not bombs or bullets but one pathethic song.
to me this is a sad day and the death star theme played by the cannon fodder was a realisation that we have gone over to the dark side and there is no turning back.
Hey Naseum,..the American flag will always be red, white, and blue.
American Tiger, I agree whith you 150%, definetly, always be aware of your surroundings and "ready to go". But, I am not going to let these folks dictate how to live my life, once you give in, they won. Live life to the fullest, cherish your loved ones, but, keep aware of everything.
From Borg: "In order for Islam to spread, we have no need for a sword or a bomb.
That's what I keep saying...In the US all they need to do is immigrate, multiply, capture the vote, capture the gov. Here comes Sharia law. No shots fired...Of course, that's the slow way...active jihad and blowing things up may be quicker...
The 66 suitcases, stuffed with cocaine, and smuggled in on a private plane supposedy with diplomatic immunity, by a Saudi prince -- the case in France that so few have heard about.
The endless cases of Saudi princes and princelings who beat and torment their slave-servants, whom they bring along with them to the West, and who then get the full services, legal and financial, of the Saudi embassy, to get them off, or get them off very likely, and in every single case that Saudi Embassy has succeeded.
The cruel and inhumane treatment inflicted on Westerners -- some of them picked up and charged, falsely, knowingly falsely, by Saudi authorities, tortured in Saudi prisons, and imprisoned until finally the protests from abroad became too loud to ignore.
Saudi Arabia, and the House of Al-Saud: Above the Law. And will be until the Western world realizes that it need do nothing more than pay the market price for oil -- need do not a single favor to a single Saudi. On the contrary, it is the Al-Saud who depend, for their funfairs and buying sprees and brothels, on the West, for their medical care and what passes for their education, on the West, for their survival, in the end, on the West. Every member of the Western elites should commit that to memory. Saudi Arabia relies completely on the West for everything. We need nothing from Saudi Arabia that it is not desperate to sell us. That's oil. And that's all it has. As for those investments in the West -- they should be seen as financial hostages, to be seized whenever Saudi behavior has become too outrageous. I think that point has been reached. Others may differ.
"There's a very significant different between nasty fundamentalist Christians (like the "God Hates a Fag" guys who just rightfully got their butts sued for like $30 mil for abusing a family at the funeral of their soldier son) and the radical Islamists."
I agree and in no way did I try to play the usual moral equivalence of "christian fundamentalists=muslim fundamentalists".
What annoyed me was to see someone reply to Naseem (who is an idiot - to put it bluntly), about "accepting the heart of your Lord Jesus Christ" or some dribble like that.
Religion is a PERSONAL matter. What part of that some of you people DON'T understand?
Charles Johnson at LGF recently found out the ties between some parties that attended the Brussels conference and white-power groups. Frankly, I was surprised to find out that he was right. I had a decent opinion of Vlams Belang until I heard the "Political Cesspool" interview where he avoids admitting his own beliefs. Some people at LGF comment that it may be necessary to find allies in all sorts of places.
Maybe I (and others who think like I do) will have to put up with Christian Evangelists to put out the Muslim threat, but I'll be damned if I will ever like it.
And to those of you who failed to grasp the meaning of what I wrote, once again rest assured that I don't think that Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are equally dangerous. Muslims are much more dangerous, but both are equally annoying. This to avoid saying that they end up looking like Jehovah's Witnesses - and who likes them?
Another thing: I actually studied Christianity in depth to apreciate and value the religious Jesus Christ as basically a very decent fellow in a time where most people were basically bastards. I also know that there is a big difference between the historical Jesus and the religious Jesus (starting with the fact that he had REAL brothers and sisters, a fact that is accepted by some of the 4 gospels, not to mention the ones that were banned after Niceia)
I could tell you a lot of things that would challenge your beliefs, but it doesn't matter... and you know why? Because the religious Jesus is essentially a figure of peace. He is a good role model. As such, Christianity doesn't bother me because (unfortunately) most people are sheep who do not think for themselves and that need to believe in a heavenly reward in order to behave themselves. Their choice, if it makes them better people, good for them and good for me.
Frankly, I don't need it. My moral code is heavily influenced by Christianity but not governed by it.
And I couldn't care less about Muslims until they started spreading their medievalism and trying to impose it to the rest of the world.
"I suggest Cruzado read Robert Spencer's new book"
Please read again and again and again what I ACTUALLY wrote.
The reason why Spencer is doing such a great job is because he provides the information but allows the reader to draw his own conclusions based on the provided information. That is called objectivity, something required for a free thinker.
Either you start thinking for yourself and judge me based on what I wrote, or keep on following the rest of the sheep. But if you do the latter, you should go all the way and buy a bell to hang on your neck.
I remember the band of the Parachute Regiment playing "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina" as the Paras marched to the troop ship that would take them to the Falklands.
I'm glad to see that the British sense of humor is alive and well.
As far as literary allusions go, I imagine King Abdullah to be Baron Harkonnen, the Bushes to the a collective Rabban, squeezing the populace and the Clintons to be Feyd, the saviors. Hillary may be the next 'beautiful Feyd' with her bread and circuses, and her husband's friendship with the House of Saud and the Bushes.
"How very appropriate if the future flag of the Amerike is brilliant white."
Naseem, once again you are showing your own true colors by expressing your love for America -- yeah -- that's spelled: A M E R I C A (please make a note).
Perhaps the heat in Pak has fried some of your brain cells, because you are delusional if you think that you will ever see an all/white American flag. We will never surrender to Islam and it's evil ideologies and inferior way of life; nor are we interested in your "sharia lite" cock and bull. Green? Forget it. The color officially turns my stomach as does your idea of making this world a better place.
You're like a drug pusher who keeps trying to sell us bad dope. Why would anyone in their right mind want what you've got? But hey, if we're ever interested in trading in our souls for Islam and it's evil lies then we know just who to ask. OK.
“On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.”
and then wrote,
“I agree and in no way did I try to play the usual moral equivalence of "christian fundamentalists=muslim fundamentalists . . . once again rest assured that I don't think that Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are equally dangerous."
I am not certain what you truly believe, but if your second posting is your true opinion, then why did you explicitly state that they might both be equally dangerous in your first posting? In my opinion, you have not provided an adequate explanation for this outrageous and offensive comment. Perhaps your self-admitted hatred of Evangelicals is clouding your judgment.
Way to go British! If you can't beat them, you might as well make fun of them (although with the PC attitude these days, this is quite surprising). If any of you are interested in more reading on Islam and its flaws...
Cruzado -- let me guess, you read The Da Vinci Code and now you believe all that garbage about Jesus Christ; that he was married, had a wife and a few kids. Is that the information for which Christians should be challenged under? Please.
You sound like my 24 year old daughter who claims to have been "enlightened" by this piece of literature that belongs in a garbage heap of FICTION; as all it did was destroy her fragile faith in Christ and gave her the freedom, as she now defines freedom, to live her life as she pleases and to forget who Jesus Christ truly is.
Anyway, don't keep us guessing as to what you meant by this statement:
"I could tell you a lot of things that would challenge your beliefs, but it doesn't matter... and you know why?"
What is it that would challenge a Christians beliefs? Don't be so mysterious. Otherwise I'm left with thinking that "Da Vinci" holds the key.
Morgaan, thanks for the interesting piece about Saudi Arabia and Abdullah. Any beneficial changes in that hideous society will occur in slow motion, but it's encouraging to hear that changes are being contemplated at the highest levels.
I regret that I feel nothing but utter contempt for Saudis and yes, I have known many, all of whom were corrupt and afflicted with advanced superiority complexes. Despite enormous wealth and Western educations, they were sleazy, vain, cruel, deceitful, greedy, repulsive tribal savages. Even an Oxford education wasn't enough to civilize one of the brutes, although he could put on a convincing act until he got drunk. Out of the many Saudis I have known, both men and women, only one was a decent human being and she was beaten to a bloody pulp by her husband and suffered permanent brain damage, after which he divorced her.
Nice people, fabulous culture, and their legal system is the icing on the cake. Utopia is Saudi Arabia!
"I am not certain what you truly believe, but if your second posting is your true opinion, then why did you explicitly state that they might both be equally dangerous in your first posting?"
Maybe I should have written " and both are equally annoying, (EVEN) if (THEY ARE) not equally dangerous.”
"In my opinion, you have not provided an adequate explanation for this outrageous and offensive comment."
Read the above.
"Perhaps your self-admitted hatred of Evangelicals is clouding your judgment."
Anyone that thinks that he has the right to impose himself onto others annoys me. Hatred is too strong a word.
"Cruzado -- let me guess, you read The Da Vinci Code and now you believe all that garbage about Jesus Christ; that he was married, had a wife and a few kids. Is that the information for which Christians should be challenged under? Please."
You should get your head examined. The Da Vinci Code??? Are you completely stupid??? Read Pepe Rodriguez' "Mentiras Fundamentales de la Iglesia Católica", read the Gospel of St Judas and all the others that show a very different Jesus, read the 2 out of the 4 canonical gospels that DO MENTION EXPLICITELY that Jesus had brothers and sisters... have you ever even read the New Testament?!
"You sound like my 24 year old daughter who claims to have been "enlightened" by this piece of literature that belongs in a garbage heap of FICTION; as all it did was destroy her fragile faith in Christ and gave her the freedom, as she now defines freedom, to live her life as she pleases and to forget who Jesus Christ truly is."
You seem to have a problem with your daughter living HER life the way SHE wants. It's a bitch living in the free world, isn't it?
"What is it that would challenge a Christians beliefs?"
Learning.
For instance, why has the Old Testament Alliance between Moses and God the same basic structure of a Hittite treaty?
What kind of God would choose the weakest and most insignificant people of the ancient Middle East to "adopt" as his own, a people that with the exception of the rule of powerful king Solomon, was invaded by everyone except the Spice Girls? Why not Egypt, or Persia? Why Israel and Judah?
Do you even know what would happen to a male Jew that wasn't married in his 20s? Well, he wouldn't get any followers, that's for sure... (if you don't get how important children and a wife were to prove the virility of a man, read the story of Abraham again).
I am going offtopic, and it was not my intention of imposing MY values and my set of beliefs onto others. My beliefs are mine. You should try that sometime: keep it personal. That's what tolerance is all about. Respecting, even if not agreeing. But my tolerance and respect ends as soon as they cross into my territory.
One last thing: I am not your son. You don't know me. We come from different cultures and speak different languages. So please, do not patronize me. It is not polite. You shouldn't even "patronize" your own daughter, who by your own words, is old enough to live her own life.
The sky is blue and it is a sunny day (at least from where I stand). Go live your life and let others live theirs.
Saudi King serenaded with Darth Vader theme as he enters Buckingham Palace
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I love this! I generally tend toward the serious myself, but I know humor can be a potent weapon against evil. I think of Bugs Bunny confronting Hitler and Spike Jones singing "Der Fuehrer's Face". Radical Islam is not just horrifying--it is also extremely ludicrous.
Rioting over cartoons, declaring falafels "unIslamic", dressing in shapeless black sacks even in the swimming pool, holding learned discussions on how to wipe your a**--these things are *ridiculous* as well as awful. Hats off to the boys in the band!
Jcom wrpte:
Oh, my kid tried to correct me...he said it's the Imperial March (whatever the hell difference that makes, lol)...I don't care either way, that's funny!
Ha! Jcom, you're both right. This piece of music, written by composer John Williams for George Lucas, is officially titled the "Imperial March", but since it was created solely as a lietmotif for Darth Vader it is also known as "Darth Vader's Theme".
I didn't mean to patronize you, so I'm sorry for coming across that way, but you did go on the attack towards Christians so it put me on the defensive. You leveled some charges about Christianity that suggests we are 'stupid' for believing what we believe, so patronizing works both ways.
I became a Christian when I was 19, and I didn't have ANY religious upbringing. We didn't go to church, so I didn't have any religious baggage that got in the way of Christ's gospel message.
One day I was approached by a guy from work who invited me to church. We worked together at Mattel toys as "toy testers" (pretty funny huh) and I kept saying NO to his invitation. But about 4 months later I changed my mind and accepted his invitation just to shut him up, and that night I prayed and discovered a God I had never known -- a personal God named Jesus Christ.
I have questions too, as do all Christians, but I will never question the love Jesus has for me and why He went to the cross.
cruzado -- if you can put your valid questions aside and get back to the heart of matter, which is Jesus Christ, then I promise you will find true peace.
Dr. Spencer, you're my hero.
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Welcome, Dumpling. I think you will find this site invaluable in learning about the Jihad threat. I'll look for your posts.
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American Tiger wrote:
If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
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I think you will find that there are many people "of the female persuasion" in the fight against Jihad.
Famously, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan are all former Muslimas who saw a lot of these horrors up close and chose to stand against them. Columnists Diana West, Caroline Glick, and Michelle Malkin write frequently about radical Islam, as does blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.
There are a lot of posters here at JW who are women. Most notably Marisol, but also Marwan's Daughter and Isabella the Crusader. There are many others with user names that are not obviously female, such as I'm No Dhimmi and Champ--I'm sure there are many others.
I'm female myself, sometimes even stereotypically so--I illustrate children's books and rescue fluffy kitties in my spare time (seriously!).
I find it heartbreaking when I read about or see Jihad violence--the victims on board the hijacked flights on 9/11, especially the little girls; little kids being urged to "martyrdom" on Palestinian children's television; infants with their heads bloodied by their pious Shi'ite mothers, stonings of women in Iran, the beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl--on and on.
I'm heartbroken and I'm angry--and not at those who exposed me to the truth, but at the perpetrators. American Tiger, I'll think you'll find you have more allies against Jihad than you ever thought you did.
"You leveled some charges about Christianity that suggests we are 'stupid' for believing what we believe, so patronizing works both ways."
Not stupid, but emotionally insecure and to some extent afraid to assume responsibility for their own mortality. And what is worse, I find religion dangerous because it takes the moral responsibility from its followers. That is the heart of the problem with Muslims, and that was the heart of the problem with Christianity until not that long ago. When people are turned into children who are bound to fail and do wrong (only to eventually be forgiven by God), that makes the world a more dangerous place.
Once doesn't need religion to be good and upright, and most of all, one doesn't have to be religious to find happiness.
The war on terror /war on islam is not the religious beliefs itself. It is about the unquestioned practical applications of those beliefs. WHy are they unquestioned? Because religion tells us to believe, not to question.
"a personal God named Jesus Christ."
To many Christians throughout the world, what you've just said is blasphemy. To Christ himself, that would be idolatry which was something that as a Jew, he abhorred.
"I have questions too, as do all Christians, but I will never question the love Jesus has for me and why He went to the cross."
The information is out there. All you have to do is research. I know why He went to the cross, and it has everything to do with His religious beliefs (his, not necessarily yours). I also know why he considered Judas (and not Peter) as the only of the apostles that understood him.
"if you can put your valid questions aside and get back to the heart of matter, which is Jesus Christ, then I promise you will find true peace."
I am at peace with myself - and have been for the past 13 years. But I appreciate the concern.
"Not stupid, but emotionally insecure and to some extent afraid to assume responsibility for their own mortality"
This statement stems from ignorance, and it in no way describes me, because I am neither emotionally insecure nor afraid to assume responsibility for my own mortality. This sounds judgmental and presupposes insights about another person that only God himself would know; or insights that someone may have openly shared with you -- but I doubt they did.
Are you clarvoyant? Then how would you know whether or not someone is emotionally insecure or not? Do you read minds? No. Then I would stick to the facts instead of spreading fiction, because all you've done is express stereotypes that are odd and untrue.
"To many Christians throughout the world, what you've just said is blasphemy. To Christ himself, that would be idolatry which was something that as a Jew, he abhorred."
You have it all backwards, and you do not know what you are talking about. Your statement completely contradicts Gods Word. Read the passage I've provided below, as it clearly states just the OPPOSITE of what you stated:
Philippians 2:9-11
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father."
Bowing ones knee to Jesus Christ is keeping with GODS PLAN, and doing so is neither blasphemy nor idolatry. NOT bowing to Christ displeases God.
I'm sorry, but you sound very misinformed and you've developed some really strange judgments about Christians, some of which made me chuckle. Too bad that you harbor these negative views of Chrisians, because you're picking fights with the wrong enemy.
The Bible is not God's literal Word. It is the revelation of God's Word through HUMAN messengers, and as such subject to interpretation (unlike the Koran who is supposed to be seen as Allah's LITERAL word). This much shows how little you know...
"and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"
The New Testament (which - with the exception of Mathew and Mark - was written decades after Jesus' death and by people that never met Jesus tells us many things. In fact, the Gospels contradict themselves in various passages. And the passage you wrote DOES NOT claim God's divinity. In fact that very claim originated divisions between various early Christian sects (some believing in Christ's divinity while others believed in him as a mere prophet).
"Bowing ones knee to Jesus Christ is keeping with GODS PLAN"
Well, judging from what is written in the 4 Gospels (I am not even mentioning the Apocryphs), what Jesus wanted was a type of Judaism where the people had a personal and direct relationship with God - without any organized interference from a religious class of clerics, such as the Pharisees.
I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense, but may I suggest that you examine your Christ-hating, Christian-hating views and keep them to yourself as they having to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that they bring you any true peace.
Hating the Christian posters on JW/DW should not be the goal, but hating this evil theology known as Islam should be.
Lets not fight each other and stick to what's important. Remember what's important? I won't be bothering writing you again.
The only thing I know is that I know nothing. I am paraphrasing Plato, who was one of the wisest the world has ever known.
In reality, you are paraphrasing a Platonic Dialogue. The distinction is important, for Plato credits Socrates for having said this, not he himself. Almost all commentators agree that this is from an early period in Plato’s career when Plato was still mouthing Socrates own ideas. Of course, Plato fully concurs. Also, I agree with you that Plato was one of the wisest persons the world has ever known.
wasn't this post about some wahabbi warlord being serenaded by a once great nation to the theme tune of star wars? or am i missing something? normally when i start going off topic i'm jumped on from 1000 feet and accused of being a "crypto fascist" or something like that to shut me up!
"In reality, you are paraphrasing a Platonic Dialogue."
You are quite right.
"I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense, but may I suggest that you examine your Christ-hating, Christian-hating views and keep them to yourself as they having to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that they bring you any true peace."
I can't even imagine what could have given you the idea - from anything that I may have written - that I hate Christians, when so many of my own values have are Christian-based. I do not hate Christians, nor Christianity, nor Christ (not that it matters, because being retarded as you seem to be - notice that I am adressing solely YOU, not Christians, not Christ, JUST YOU - it would be easier to teach explain this to a brick wall).
"Hating the Christian posters on JW/DW should not be the goal, but hating this evil theology known as Islam should be."
Please seek professional help. I don't hate anyone. But I do get annoyed when the only answer some people find to Islamic medievalism is some sort of strategy that has more to do with Jehova's Witnesses evangelization, than with Reason and common sense (as in, Islam is bad because it restricts freedom and our human rights as individiuals, and not because it isn't Christianity).
Sorry, but deep down you know the ole Saudi wishes he was as bad as Darth Vader. And if it wasn't for the good ole United States of America he might not still be a king.
Yes, AMartinez, perhaps the music was at his own request?
Someone must be coming to their senses.
The toxic snake from the toxic kingdom. And he owns almost every ex US president.
But to the commopn man he would be recognized for the duplicitous thug he is.
No Death Star for you Darth. The whole Saudi thing smells more of "spice" mining on Dune to me.
Payback for the stupid "UK isn't doing enough about terrorism" remark.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7066867.stm
More like Jabba the Hut!
That music would even be funnier. Still yes it was funny as hell. Thanks for the laugh...
bugawandi or whatever his name is from the MCB in that video calims that there are over 2 million muslims? there were 1.6 a few months ago?
the MCB is nothing more than an invasion force.
I sense a rift within the dark side.
Slightly off topic, but a few years ago the Japanese Prime Minister visited Ottawa, and the armed forces band was playing the Colonel Bogie March (theme music from the movie “Bridge on the River Kwai”) as he was inspecting the honour guard. A few heads apparently rolled on that one. You gotta love the military.
Moammar Qadhafi speaks about islam conquering the world without firing a shot. Maybe that's what bin Laden meant about a better plan?
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http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2007/10/fifty-million-and-growing.html
"In order for Islam to spread, we have no need for a sword or a bomb. There are 50 million Muslims in Europe, and bear in mind that there are signs that Islam will appear in Europe without recourse to violence or conquest. These fifty million Muslims will transform Europe into a Muslim continent within a few decades. God will make Turkey an integrated part of the European Union so that the number of European Muslims may grow to hundreds of millions. Albania, a Muslim nation, is already a part of Europe. The same is true for Bosnia where 50% of the population is Muslim. The statistics show that there are thousands of mosques in Europe and that Muslim organizations and associations flourish there.
Europe, like the United States, is caught in a trap: either they admit that they will, in the future, become Muslim nations, or else they declare war on the Muslims.
The statistics that I cited have been proven. I have the figures in my possession. The number of Muslims in Europe is about 50 million while the number of mosques and Islamic centers is approaching 14,000, besides the 1500 organizations, associations and Islamic institutions. The number of these institutions will grow with the passing of time, not to mention the Turkish, Bosnian and Albanian populations. In other words, the word of God is about to be carried out to place Islam above all other religions despite polytheists."
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This was over at LGF yesterday; titled Video: Saudi Hate Literature In British Mosques; which dealt primarily with Inyat Bunlawala's refusal to condemn the standard Muslim hate literature that is so frequently found at British Mosques.
The king of Islamabia doesn't have a clue. This is great stuff. Strike a medal for whoever thought of doing that.
Briefly for now and not related to this post per se:
I am a new commenter to the blog. I have been reading for awhile and decided to join the comments gang. Finished Dr. Spencer's 'Onward Muslim Soldiers' and 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades'. Next up on my reading list: 'Islam Unveiled'. I am working my way towards the newer books. I have been following the topic of Jihad and this man's work for some time.
Dr. Spencer, you're my hero.
So, is the Queen above wearing the abya as would be fitting in the presence of a superior, the Saudi Darth Vader? After all: Mrs. Bush looks well in that self effacing black garbage bag - why not lesser British royalty. Will islamophobic wonders never end??
We now have proof that the Muslims/Saudis are part of the "dark side", like that made famous by "Star Wars", complete its own theme music.
Maybe I'll be the first to say welcome Dumpling. Geez o peetz, the closest book store for me is 52 miles,and dang it I'm still on dial up. But I'll say welcome, and now back to Jihad Watch..............
The Schvartz!
Use the Schvartz Luke!
Dumpling - Now that you have read some of Spencer's work, is it all starting to make sense and be clear?
I felt like I finally found a crystal ball when I read his books. I could finally see through all the disinformation.
Welcome
No Fate.... it's not to late.
Brilliant. Someone’s neck is on the block tonight for this one. Hopefully the blogosphere can keep him in the spotlight.
Rumor has it that the BBC has edited footage and replaced Star Wars with some other song. That is a story that needs to be explored. Who ordered the editing? On who’s authority?
This, thought Winston, was the most frightening aspect of the party regime-that it could obliterate memory, turn lies into Truth and alter the Past. The Party slogan was “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”
-Orwell
I'm just praying that the Queen herself is not forced to or agrees to apologize.
RalphInfidel if the Saudis & oil are reminiscent of dune is Michael Moore the floating fatman?
Funniest damned thing since...that snivelling imam in Cleveland in today's other thread...LMAO
Oh, my kid tried to correct me...he said it's the Imperial March (whatever the hell difference that makes, lol)...I don't care either way, that's funny!
Last time I saw something remotely like that was when Rush Limbaugh played that to the tune of Gorby's arrival for the Iceland summit with the subject of "Gorbasms of the media" from their excessive fawning over him...lol
Classic...one for the hstory books.
(Robert, this must be archived for posterity! lol)
Unbelievable. It could not have had been an accident. Long live British irony!
By the way, this book looks interesting.
"Buy the Book
Forever Young
By Christopher Orlet
Published 10/26/2007 12:07:15 AM
The Death of the Grown-up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization
By Diana West"
"West concludes with a stern warning that permanent adolescence puts us at risk before a confident and imperialist political Islam. Not surprisingly her critics have had at her for implying that it takes self-assured grown-ups to recognize and respond to the threats posed to Western Civilization -- that immature tree humpers and naked peace marchers are not up to the job. William Grimes of the New York Times dismissed West's book with the headline "Dress like Your Child, Terrorists win." Understandably, West's critics are discomfited. No one likes to hear that his worldview is infantile, and it is all the more unsettling when statistics and research support your thesis."
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12222
The first visit by a monarch from the Saudi entity in 20 years, and you really think the choice of music like food (no pork - remember, no pork!) was not carefully vetted by the highest level? This was an intentional thing. It's great. It would have been better if they had not hosted the world's terror-spreading epicenter's "king" in the first place, but this was a nice jab, as they otherwise kissed his left-hand-washed rear.
Later in the clip, the Bunglawala guy, who looks like a Pakistani Jeff Goldblum, says:
"Well, John, we live in a democratic society, and open society, were we are PROUD that we have a whole range of books, provided that they do not break the law..."
The silly hypocritical protestations and convoluted excuses ("it's a historic ruling") of this Wahhabi make the case against Islamism better than anything else, even better than the other fellow, Godson. People see through this crap. Most people are turned off, and the loonie left love it because they find kindred anti-Westerners. But everyone sees through it.
The discussion is Bung against God. Funny too. Accident? Well, that one probably is, but the music was no accident.
Dr. Wright,
Hadn't thought of that one... but it fits. Good call. Maybe he can be cured in Cuba.
"Saudi King serenaded with Darth Vader theme as he enters Buckingham Palace"
Sounds like grounds for a Fatwa. But then, what isn't?
From a posting two years ago:
"This story nicely captures the nature of the purest, most undiluted, version of Islam that is represented by Saudi Arabia. The next time you see a gaggle of assorted ruling family members, those princelings and their courtiers who have seized the wealth of "Saudi" Arabia -- the result of an accident of geology -- largely for themselves, engaged in some tribal dance, all daggers-and-dishdashas, or swishing forward as their flock of black-draped wives is herded along behind them, into some bank in Mayfair, to discuss a financial transaction or, having taken over a floor or two at the Plaza Athenee, or some Relais-et-Chateaux resort, or perhaps just out for some shopping in London or Marbella, or attending some international gathering of panjandrums where those Saudis will be taken seriously by the cowed leaders of the impressionable Western world -- just think of this court decision, and what it says about the view of men and women, and everything else that it tells us about the mental set of the people in the country of Saudi Arabia.
Despite the P.R. campaigns and all the bought-and-paid for Western ex-diplomats, ex-C.I.A. men, journalists, and so on, despite those in the ruling class with their outwardly Western ways, from the soft voice and sincere expression of the Crown Prince Abdullah to the "nudge-nudge-wink-wink-have-a-glass-of-port-we-are-all-men-of-the-world here and of-course-we're-corrupt-isn't-everyone-but-we-have-our-limits Prince Bandar -- each has his special performance that is given repeatedly to Westen inerlocutors, who continue to demonstrate an inexhaustible ability to allow themselves to be fooled, by the Saudis as by other Arab Muslims (the Egyptians and Jordanians trot out their best figures; in the case of the latter, now that the "plucky little king" is gone, do not forget for a minute that even 30 years of being the recipients of the largest transfer of wealth in human history, which wealth bought the leisure to study, to travel, to think, and to observe how things are done elsewhere, has not made the slightest dent on the primitive workings of primitive minds with a primitive ideology. Brainwashed young, Saudis, returning from their years of freedom (fast cars, fast Western girls, bought-and-paid for termpapers and even "doctoral" theses -- that's what that freedom was used for) in the West, rarely demonstrate that those years in the advanced outside had any effect on their mentality w.
There are exceptions. Some of those exceptions are condemned to living in Saudi Arabia, because that is "where the money is." They get out for a breath of fresh air whenever they can, using Europe and America as their funfair-cum-brothel. Occasionally, behind the high walls of Saudi palace-houses, one may whisper to another about their secret conclusions, though never about Islam itself (perhaps a few proudly keep in their London flats Cook and Crone's "Hagarism" or even Luxenberg's philological study of the early Qur'an -- the Arab Muslim version of proscribed texts).
In Saudi itself, a few of them may write a few articles suggesting that the "extremists" have it wrong are now permitted -- as long as it is understand that what those "extremists" have wrong is not the attacks on the Western world, but the attacks on the ruling class in Saudi Arabia itself, and above all in labelling that ruling class as "infidel." In other words, they are allowed to enjoy the freedom to preach: take your Jihad elsewhere, and leave the House of Al-Saud alone. And this is misunderstood in the West as a sign of "reform" (nonsense) in Saudi Arabia.
"Tribes with flags" is how many describe the states of the Arabian Peninsula, the Jazirat al-arab. Even truer, and more trippingly alliterative, would be the formula that sums them all up: "Tribes with trillions." Fortunately, they have managed since 1973 to squander most of those trillions, and have failed, as under Islam they would necessarily fail, to develop a modern economy.
Helping to create the conditions in which the full failures -- political, economic, intellecutal, and social -- of Islamic countries, precisely to the extent that they adhere to Islam -- should be the goal of Western foreign policy. Ceasing to pay the jizya of foreign aid to the likes of Egypt and Pakistan and Jordan (and not to contribute anything more to Iraq) would help hasten the day when those failures, and their connection to the fatalism, despotism, and supremacist ideology of Islam, will be apparent to more and more non-Arab Muslims, and even to Arabs, whose sense of self is so completely wrapped up with Islam.
A Franco-Armenian architect who spent years building military cities in Saudi Arabia, asked to describe what that country was like, replied:
"Money can buy everything."
And then he added: "Except civilization."
[Posted by: Hugh at February 4, 2005 9:04 AM]
Niiiiiice!
A toast to the concertmaster!
As good as the Marine Corps Band playing "The Monty Python Theme" (a Sousa March) at Bill Clinton's first inaugural.
(I have it on audiotape.)
The U.K. just set their creeping dhimmitude back a BIG notch.
Bravo Brits!
Dumpling...welcome. Proceed at your own peril. Though this forum has many learned commenters, irt appears to me that few here realize the exact nature of the peril we all face. Please arm yourself, learn to fight off multiple attackers, and have an escape plan ready to go. I am not kidding. I have extensive experience with receiving cruel and unusual physical punishment from my own "Saddam Hussein" stepfather (cigarettes on the bottoms of my feet for getting a "B" in math). I swear on my life. If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
Be careful what you say to people outside this forum, and if possible, use all available methods to hide your ip address, etc.
In the most direct, honest and friendly manner I can state, please immediatley enroll in firearm and edged weapons training with experienced people...and I mean combat or street fight veterans. Get in the best physical shape you can, and have an escape plan. Do not let yourself be cornered by a group, ever. Do not be taken hostage or surrender, EVER. Once you see a beheading video, you will understand my advice. Lofty discussions cannot save you, and this topic is no joke.
Look carefully into what Mr. Spencer and Mr. Fitzgerald, two great writers and very brave and learned men, have to say...remember the only person who ever scared muslims away was Vlad Tepes, the Impaler (Dracula) of Romania. The Ottoman Turks realized he was crueler than anything they had ever seen (thousands upon thousands impaled alive in trees outside his castle), and it worked...for a time.
One of my first posts here was after watching the poor Nick Berg being beheaded, and I immediately offered Mr. Spencer safe haven and pleaded with him to be very cautious. I can only offer the same advice to you. Hopefully you have some military training, or know someone who has, to get you off to a good start.
Please take my writings both now and in the future with a grain of salt, knowing that I am very upset by what I have seen, and know that I am telling you the gods honest truth...others may be able to confirm this
The Saudi King was probably clueless to the Darth Vader greeting since His Holiness has never set foot inside a filthy movie theater or Blockbuster before.
One last thing Dumpling... I worked for the Office of the Provost Marshal (MP Headquarters) for all of Europe during the early 1980's...we had several bomb threats from the Red Brigade, and the Bader-Meinhof group. We had to evacuate the buildings and trust our lives the nose of a bomb-sniffing dog. There is nothing like having to run for your life, then trusting your life to an animal.
Then, my folks flew into Vienna Airport to visit me, and narrowly escaped the PLO attack on the El-Al ticket counter by half an hour. Google it if you don't believe me.
I almost visited a relative who was a travelling nurse in NYC right before the WTC attacks. Thank god she was nowhere near danger. Terrorists tried to kill me and my relatives, save half an hour or so. My writings reflect this, and sometimes get deleted. Take care. AT
Bravo British Royals!
This is the perfect song for a king of a wealthy Saudi kingdom which is glorious on the surface but rotten and deeply flawed at its inner core.
This so much made our morning here in Jerusalem. Big laughs all around.
A very funny musical joke! I doubt that receiving "dignitaries" were in on it though. More likely it was the work of someone connected to the band in charge of repertoire who is so near to retirement that he didn't care about repercussions.
Not a "Concertmaster" though since that would be a first violinist.
"As good as the Marine Corps Band playing "The Monty Python Theme" (a Sousa March) at Bill Clinton's first inaugural." --profitsbeard
I wish I had heard that! :D
Ahhhh....it's all starting to make sense! King Abdullah is Darth Vader, Mohammed is the Emperor and bin Laden is just some low level like Darth Maul or something! LOL
Wow...don't tell that to the schizophrenic conspiracy kooks...they'll be upset because it shoots the hell out of their dogma (and a few commie hacks, including those that attended an AAI political rally recently) that Darth Vader is Dick Cheney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HyORUz63Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26RCAO4JE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuKUqhS9Zxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u_ExsfcN14
yep, same one who's having a really REALLY bad day over something else...lol
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6634.html
the list of obsession is endless, but that aside, the implication intended is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1LFWONlP_k
aided & abetted by the 5th column like this goebbels wannabe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmQj2NW0-Ls
...'nuf sed...
It's gotten so old from all the moronic insults, it's become hilarious now...even the President joked about it over Halloween...
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Oct31/0,4670,CheneyDarthVader,00.html
...so yeah, the event in the UK proved hilarious, and in more ways than one...like it just did with the unholy alliance...
...and "you ain't seen nothing yet!"
lol
Assalamau Laikum Borg, Amerike Tiger,
Mr Borg, I can echo what Quadaffi says about muslims in the West. Last year when I travelled to a marriage in the UK (2nd cousins), it was like home to home minus the (hot Pak) weather.
No longer do muslim folk have to travel back to Pak to get all the raz-mataz for their wedding....it's all there in the UK ....and in bucket loads.
Personally I have not been to the Amerike ...but I imagine the situation is not (or will not be soon) so different.
I wonder (as the muslim population rises) ...whether there will be a partition of western countries...like India and Pakistan ....let us hope not and that Allah Paak is merciful...teaching us all to live as one under sharia lite.
I had a thought the other day....after partition what India did was to add the colour green to their flag to welcome muslims into the new India....now that is a grand gesture.
I wonder if in time whether the Amerike will be as magnanmous....what is ironic is that adding green to your red and blue stars will result in all the primary colours being present (and remebering from my physics class days in the UK)....resulting in all white....effectively a surrender flag...when the green of Islam is added to it.
Remember Indian womens wear white for the rest of their lives on the passing of their hubby.
!!!!!!Alhumdulilla!!!!
How very appropriate if the future flag of the Amerike is brilliant white.
Naseem, Green is not a primary color in pigments. Green is the result of mixing blue and yellow.
You were talking about flags not TV screens.
I suggest you stay in Pakistan. The educational system there is such that literate people like you are becoming very, very rare. You will be needed. There are too many intelligent women in American for you to make an impact.
I didnt think I would get a Laugh out Loud on Jihadwatch tonight. This is the best clip I have seen in a while
Hi Naseem,
Glad to see you're still trolling around out there.
I'm sure a physics class in Pakistan is more concerned with the colours of various detonator wires than with the mixing of primary colours to make white light.
White is the colour of purity. The colour of purity found only in The Word of God. By accepting the truth (that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life) we are washed in His blood and made pure. Our filthiness is made white as snow. Something for you to think about...
"Dumpling...welcome. Proceed at your own peril. Though this forum has many learned commenters, irt appears to me that few here realize the exact nature of the peril we all face. Please arm yourself, learn to fight off multiple attackers, and have an escape plan ready to go. I am not kidding."
Yoda?? Is that really you?.......
If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
Posted by AmericanTiger
People of the female persuasion? WTF?
I am a woman and I have watched all the beheading videos, and read all the horrendous, sickening information about islam that's out there on the internet. I don't hate the horrific truth. I hate the ideology which allows it, encourages it, and rewards it. I hate islam.
You seem to suggest that women are too squeamish, too weak, to handle the truth. What are ya - a muslim?
I applaud the Brits who did this but if this is as tough as they get, the UK is finnished.
The English do have an aristocratic (and intelligent) way to insert irony and sarcasm into their sense of humour. The Arabs probably still don't know what hit them. Still, it was just a "joke". Hate literature is not a joke, and infinitely more dangerous.
On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.
The Bung-law-ala guy reminds me of the Dickens character Uriah Heep.
Well, the sad thing here is that it's probably not Abdullah, but Nayef, who deserves this movie score.
During the time that he acted as regent for his brother, Fahd, Abdullah was bound by law and tradition to manifest what would have been Fahd's wishes. Fahd, earlier in his life the sleaziest of all possible monarchs, who "bought" a 12-year-old girl from Hassan II of Morocco to the angry vexation of Muslims there, was a total reprobate and drunk. But he was in the extreme "in" side of the Wahhabis, and in his middle years became a major proponent of Wahhabi philosophy and was much responsible for its extremely well-funded spread. Along with Fahd there was Nayef.
Both Nayef, the interior minister responsible for the judiciary of the country, and Fahd are "Sudairi" -- the children of Ibn Sa'ud's favorite wife who have a stranglehold on the country.
King Abdullah is NOT Sudairi (strongly Wahhabi as was Ibn Saud) and was put into the line of succession in an attempt to move the rulership out of such total Wahhabi control. However, while Fahd was alive, he was bound by tradition to stay on the conservative side of things. Not a peep about women's rights, no pardons of people Nayef charged with petty crimes and then sentenced to 8,000 lashes or death.
But as soon as Fahd died and Abdullah became king himself, he started moving on the Wahhabi-Sudairi radicals.
The first thing he did, in 2005, was engineer the creation of the Eight Mahdhab (school of fiqh), which was strange-looking indeed. This school of fiqh adopted a shari'a law that was extremely strict but hadn't been practiced in more than 300 years. On the outside it looked like he had shifted to the more extreme; but the consensus among the think tankies that took this up was that it potentially presaged a move in which the Saudis jettisoned Wahhabism as the state religion of Saudi Arabia and tossed them the crumb of their own school of fiqh as a face-saving device.
As soon as this was accomplished, Abdullah pardoned The Three Knights -- the two university professors and SA's most outstanding poet (al-Domaini). Then he started the quiet municipal move toward *some* elected seats. Then he started making statements that women should be allowed to drive.
Then he started pulling radical imams out of the mosques and radical teachers out of the classrooms.
In the press he started allowing Saudi parents to start excoriating the imams for the killing of their kids by jihad, having sent them to Iraq on fatawa urging them to suicide to kill Americans and Shi'a Iraqis. Some 2,000 of them have died in such attacks, and Saudi parents are furious.
In Jeddah (site of the school fire in which imams forced young girls back into the flames because they had only their nightdresses on), there is open flouting of the religious police, and Abdullah lets it ride, by tactical example encouraging the populace to civil disobedience.
Then he did something very powerful and very scary: he moved against Nayef. Nayef is 2nd in line after bin Sultan for the crown. But Abdullah did not move Nayef into the ceremonial position that would have ensured his succession. He was stripped of his official position and left with only window-dressing responsibilities.
Nayef's reaction: immediately came out with a statement that women should be given more equality -- of course!
Does Nayef mean it? No, of course not!
Does Abdullah mean it? Yes, he does. Otherwise he would not have made so many extraordinary moves toward liberalization in so short a time.
Now the muttawiyyin are coming under indictment for their (many, many) crimes and there is nothing the judiciary that invented them can do about it.
Abdullah is moving as fast as hecan, but there are two major factors working against him:
(1) He is very old. He is 83 years old now, and although his health is obviously miraculous, he cannot be expected to reign or live for the decade or more it would probably take to make any significant progress, like canning the treatise that forms the core of judicial sentencing guidelines in favor of a rights-based civil consitution that escapes the worst form of shari'a on the planet. If he even tries this, the Wahhabis will revolt and there will be civil war, which one would hope the Al Sa'ud would win. In some Siamese twin separation operations, one twin has to die.
(2) The succession is now changed, which is good, but also dangerous. He will submit a list of three potential next kings, possibly sidestepping both Sultan and Nayef, and getting out of the Sudairi line altogether, which would be good. But at soon as such an announcement is made, if the Sudairi don't occupy all three candidacies, Abdullah may be assasssinated. Now allowing in a much wider votership for the monarchy, there could be internecine warfare breaking out along matrilineal lines.
So the bottom line is: this king is the best thing that could happen to us now, he has done the best that he could, and he didn't deserve the Darth Vader marching music.
That said, I can understand the sentiment, but in absolute truth, he's doing a remarkable job. Remarkable.
It looks like the video came from YouTube but I can't find it on YouTube. Perhaps someone there deleted it to avoid offending our Saudi masters further?
Naseem ... you are apparently just illiterate on this subject. Muslim demographics are about to peak and FALL. You'll be taking over nothing (except probably Europe, but then lose it), and you are in REAL DEMOGRAPHIC TROUBLE.
For the rest of you ... after you read this you'll realize why radical Islamists are trying SO HARD to keep control of their women's wombs -- and keep them illiterate. Barefoot, illiterate and pregnant as a weapon of war.
Interesting graphics at the original article at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH23Aa01.html
Front Page
Aug 23, 2005
The demographics of radical Islam
By Spengler
General staffs before World War I began war planning with demographic tables, calculating how many men of military age they might feed to the machine guns. France preferred an early war because its stagnant population would not produce enough soldiers a generation hence to fight Germany. Only Israel’s general staff looks at demographic tables today, to draw prospective boundaries that will enclose a future Jewish majority.
Demographics still provide vital strategic information, albeit in quite a different fashion. Today’s Islamists think like the French general staff in 1914. Islam has one generation in which to establish a global theocracy before hitting a demographic barrier. Islam has enough young men - the pool of unemployed Arabs is expected to reach 25 million by 2010 - to fight a war during the next 30 years. Because of mass migration to Western Europe, the worst of the war might be fought on European soil.
Although the Muslim birth rate today is the world’s second highest (after sub-Saharan Africa), it is falling faster than the birth rate of any other culture. By 2050, according to the latest UN projections, the population growth rate of the Muslim world will converge on that of the United States (although it will be much higher than Europe's or China's).
Falling fertility measures the growing influence of modernity upon the Muslim world. Literacy rates, especially female literacy, best explain the difference between the very high fertility rates of pre-modern society and the moderate fertility rates of industrial countries, as I showed in a recent study (Death by secularism: The statistical evidence, August 1, 2005).
This is clearly the case in the Muslim world where the lowest rates of adult literacy correspond to the highest population growth rate. Literacy alone explains 58% of the variation in birth rates among Muslim countries.
Urbanization, literacy, and openness to the modern world ultimately will suppress the Muslim womb, in the absence of radical measures. In a new volume of essays on modern Islamic thought, the Islamists Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M Nafi observe, “Rather than being a development within cultural traditions that is internally generated, 20th century Islamic thought is constitutively responsive; it is substantially a reaction to extrinsic challenges.” [1] The challenge stems from the transformation of Muslim life:
In the Middle East of 1900, for example, less than 10% of the inhabitants were city dwellers; by 1980, 47% were urban. In 1800, Cairo had a population of 250,000, rising to 600,000 by the beginning of the 20th century. The unprecedented influx of immigrants from rural areas brought the population of Cairo to almost 8 million by 1980. Massive urbanization altered patterns of living, of housing and architecture, of the human relation with space and land, of marketing, employment, and consumption, and the very structure of family and social hierarchy. [2]
The sharp fall in the Muslim population growth rate expresses the extreme fragility of traditional society. Translated into the Islamist vocabulary (citing again Taji-Farouki and Nafi), this means that:
A Muslim sense of vulnerability and outrage is further exacerbated by the seemingly unstoppable encroachment of American popular culture and modes of consumerism and the transparent hypocrisy of the American rhetoric of universal rights and liberties. It is also stoked by Western ambivalence towards economic disparities in the world. [3]
Rapid urbanization, to be sure, produced growing pains in every case on record. Britain transported its displaced population to America and then to Australia, including the “clearing” of entire Scots villages forced onto ships for Canada. But Britain’s urbanization coincided with rapid economic growth and improving living standards. The Arab world’s urbanization has only created a stagnant pool of urban poor. As the London Economist summarized in the United Nations Arab Development Report for 2002:
One in five Arabs still live on less than $2 a day. And over the past 20 years growth in income per head, at an annual rate of .5%, was lower than anywhere else in the world except sub-Saharan Africa. At this rate, says the report, it will take the average Arab 140 years to double his income, a target that some regions are set to reach in less than 10 years. Stagnant growth, together with a fast-rising population, means vanishing jobs. About 12 million people, or 15% of the labor force, are already unemployed, and on present trends the number could rise to 25 million by 2010. [4]
Excluding Indonesia, the Muslim’s world literacy rate stands at only 53%, against 81% for China; Arab literacy is only 50%. Only 1% of the population owns a personal computer. It is delusional to believe that the Arab world, which now exports (net of oil) as much as Finland, might come to compete with China, India and the rest of Asia in the global market for goods and services.
Just as the Muslim population peaks, the one bounty that nature has bestowed upon the Arabs, namely oil, will begin to diminish. According to the US Department of Energy, conventional oil production will peak just before 2050 at the present 2% rate of production growth.
In short, the Muslim world half a century from now can expect the short end of the stick from the modern world. It has generated only two great surpluses, namely people and oil. By the middle of the century both of these will have begun to dwindle. But at the moment it has 25 million idle young men. No leader can remain in power who does not give them a destination to march to.
By no means does that imply that all of these 25 million will become suicide bombers, but a great many of them are likely to emigrate to Europe, including Eastern Europe, where populations are stagnant and about to decline. A Muslim takeover of Western Europe surely is a possible outcome.
Notes
[1] Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M. Nafi, Islamic Thought in the Twentieth Century (Tauris: London 2004), p 9
[2] Ibid, p 2
[3] Op cit, p 14
[4] Economist, July 4, 2002
cruzado:
“On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.”
“I am the way, the light, and the truth and NO ONE comes to the Father except through me” John 14:6
I just happen to believe this and I’m sorry for you that you most likely don’t, cruzado. There is absolutely no “equivalence” whatsoever between Islam and Christianity and it is one of the greatest downfalls of our society of late that we seem to have lost the capacity to discriminate between good and evil. They are not ‘equivalent’ in the least and never were just that some have lost the ability to tell the difference. So hate me if you will but I must respectfully give my opinion concerning your obvious cynicism.
Whoops! ment to say:
“I am the way, the truth, and the light" sorry!
Cruzado ...
There's a very significant different between nasty fundamentalist Christians (like the "God Hates a Fag" guys who just rightfully got their butts sued for like $30 mil for abusing a family at the funeral of their soldier son) and the radical Islamists.
That principle difference is:
They are shooting, and they won't suicide bomb you to get you to convert to their religion.
this is a sad, pathethic hollow victory. a prank played by cannon fodder. can't you see? the queen, the british government and the conservatives have all bowed down before the wahabbi overlord without even a word of criticism for his regime, no calls for religious freedoms and an end to saudi repression, nothing but a banquet laid on for the head of the islamic invasion force.
sad, england lived 1000 years of freedom from invasion, millions over those years have given their lives. and yesterday it all ended, what a waste. what a sad little day, a sad little end to a once proud people who fought back with the theme from a fictional sci fi movie, not bombs or bullets but one pathethic song.
to me this is a sad day and the death star theme played by the cannon fodder was a realisation that we have gone over to the dark side and there is no turning back.
CORRECTION:
The Christians are NOT shooting, and they won't suicide bomb you to get you to convert to their religion.
I suggest Cruzado read Robert Spencer's new book.
Hey Naseum,..the American flag will always be red, white, and blue.
American Tiger, I agree whith you 150%, definetly, always be aware of your surroundings and "ready to go". But, I am not going to let these folks dictate how to live my life, once you give in, they won. Live life to the fullest, cherish your loved ones, but, keep aware of everything.
From Borg: "In order for Islam to spread, we have no need for a sword or a bomb.
That's what I keep saying...In the US all they need to do is immigrate, multiply, capture the vote, capture the gov. Here comes Sharia law. No shots fired...Of course, that's the slow way...active jihad and blowing things up may be quicker...
Saudi Arabia thinks it is above the law.
The B.E.A. scandal, in Great Britain.
The 66 suitcases, stuffed with cocaine, and smuggled in on a private plane supposedy with diplomatic immunity, by a Saudi prince -- the case in France that so few have heard about.
The endless cases of Saudi princes and princelings who beat and torment their slave-servants, whom they bring along with them to the West, and who then get the full services, legal and financial, of the Saudi embassy, to get them off, or get them off very likely, and in every single case that Saudi Embassy has succeeded.
The cruel and inhumane treatment inflicted on Westerners -- some of them picked up and charged, falsely, knowingly falsely, by Saudi authorities, tortured in Saudi prisons, and imprisoned until finally the protests from abroad became too loud to ignore.
Saudi Arabia, and the House of Al-Saud: Above the Law. And will be until the Western world realizes that it need do nothing more than pay the market price for oil -- need do not a single favor to a single Saudi. On the contrary, it is the Al-Saud who depend, for their funfairs and buying sprees and brothels, on the West, for their medical care and what passes for their education, on the West, for their survival, in the end, on the West. Every member of the Western elites should commit that to memory. Saudi Arabia relies completely on the West for everything. We need nothing from Saudi Arabia that it is not desperate to sell us. That's oil. And that's all it has. As for those investments in the West -- they should be seen as financial hostages, to be seized whenever Saudi behavior has become too outrageous. I think that point has been reached. Others may differ.
"There's a very significant different between nasty fundamentalist Christians (like the "God Hates a Fag" guys who just rightfully got their butts sued for like $30 mil for abusing a family at the funeral of their soldier son) and the radical Islamists."
I agree and in no way did I try to play the usual moral equivalence of "christian fundamentalists=muslim fundamentalists".
What annoyed me was to see someone reply to Naseem (who is an idiot - to put it bluntly), about "accepting the heart of your Lord Jesus Christ" or some dribble like that.
Religion is a PERSONAL matter. What part of that some of you people DON'T understand?
Charles Johnson at LGF recently found out the ties between some parties that attended the Brussels conference and white-power groups. Frankly, I was surprised to find out that he was right. I had a decent opinion of Vlams Belang until I heard the "Political Cesspool" interview where he avoids admitting his own beliefs. Some people at LGF comment that it may be necessary to find allies in all sorts of places.
Maybe I (and others who think like I do) will have to put up with Christian Evangelists to put out the Muslim threat, but I'll be damned if I will ever like it.
And to those of you who failed to grasp the meaning of what I wrote, once again rest assured that I don't think that Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are equally dangerous. Muslims are much more dangerous, but both are equally annoying. This to avoid saying that they end up looking like Jehovah's Witnesses - and who likes them?
Another thing: I actually studied Christianity in depth to apreciate and value the religious Jesus Christ as basically a very decent fellow in a time where most people were basically bastards. I also know that there is a big difference between the historical Jesus and the religious Jesus (starting with the fact that he had REAL brothers and sisters, a fact that is accepted by some of the 4 gospels, not to mention the ones that were banned after Niceia)
I could tell you a lot of things that would challenge your beliefs, but it doesn't matter... and you know why? Because the religious Jesus is essentially a figure of peace. He is a good role model. As such, Christianity doesn't bother me because (unfortunately) most people are sheep who do not think for themselves and that need to believe in a heavenly reward in order to behave themselves. Their choice, if it makes them better people, good for them and good for me.
Frankly, I don't need it. My moral code is heavily influenced by Christianity but not governed by it.
And I couldn't care less about Muslims until they started spreading their medievalism and trying to impose it to the rest of the world.
"I suggest Cruzado read Robert Spencer's new book"
Please read again and again and again what I ACTUALLY wrote.
The reason why Spencer is doing such a great job is because he provides the information but allows the reader to draw his own conclusions based on the provided information. That is called objectivity, something required for a free thinker.
Either you start thinking for yourself and judge me based on what I wrote, or keep on following the rest of the sheep. But if you do the latter, you should go all the way and buy a bell to hang on your neck.
I remember the band of the Parachute Regiment playing "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina" as the Paras marched to the troop ship that would take them to the Falklands.
I'm glad to see that the British sense of humor is alive and well.
As far as literary allusions go, I imagine King Abdullah to be Baron Harkonnen, the Bushes to the a collective Rabban, squeezing the populace and the Clintons to be Feyd, the saviors. Hillary may be the next 'beautiful Feyd' with her bread and circuses, and her husband's friendship with the House of Saud and the Bushes.
"How very appropriate if the future flag of the Amerike is brilliant white."
Naseem, once again you are showing your own true colors by expressing your love for America -- yeah -- that's spelled: A M E R I C A (please make a note).
Perhaps the heat in Pak has fried some of your brain cells, because you are delusional if you think that you will ever see an all/white American flag. We will never surrender to Islam and it's evil ideologies and inferior way of life; nor are we interested in your "sharia lite" cock and bull. Green? Forget it. The color officially turns my stomach as does your idea of making this world a better place.
You're like a drug pusher who keeps trying to sell us bad dope. Why would anyone in their right mind want what you've got? But hey, if we're ever interested in trading in our souls for Islam and it's evil lies then we know just who to ask. OK.
To Cruzado who wrote:
“On a diferent note, I hate Christian Evangelism almost as much as Muslim arrogance. Maybe it is a consequence of having been educated by Catholic nuns, I don't know. WHat I know is that there is a degree of equivalence ("we the believers are better than thou") and both are equally annoying, if not equally dangerous.”
and then wrote,
“I agree and in no way did I try to play the usual moral equivalence of "christian fundamentalists=muslim fundamentalists . . . once again rest assured that I don't think that Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are equally dangerous."
I am not certain what you truly believe, but if your second posting is your true opinion, then why did you explicitly state that they might both be equally dangerous in your first posting? In my opinion, you have not provided an adequate explanation for this outrageous and offensive comment. Perhaps your self-admitted hatred of Evangelicals is clouding your judgment.
Way to go British! If you can't beat them, you might as well make fun of them (although with the PC attitude these days, this is quite surprising). If any of you are interested in more reading on Islam and its flaws...
http://grizzlymountain.blogspot.com/
Thank you.
Cruzado -- let me guess, you read The Da Vinci Code and now you believe all that garbage about Jesus Christ; that he was married, had a wife and a few kids. Is that the information for which Christians should be challenged under? Please.
You sound like my 24 year old daughter who claims to have been "enlightened" by this piece of literature that belongs in a garbage heap of FICTION; as all it did was destroy her fragile faith in Christ and gave her the freedom, as she now defines freedom, to live her life as she pleases and to forget who Jesus Christ truly is.
Anyway, don't keep us guessing as to what you meant by this statement:
"I could tell you a lot of things that would challenge your beliefs, but it doesn't matter... and you know why?"
What is it that would challenge a Christians beliefs? Don't be so mysterious. Otherwise I'm left with thinking that "Da Vinci" holds the key.
The end result of Freedom!
No one should be sacked someone definitely deserves a Raise !
They obviously didn't run this by Prince Charles first.
that is just great. hats off to the royal guards
Morgaan, thanks for the interesting piece about Saudi Arabia and Abdullah. Any beneficial changes in that hideous society will occur in slow motion, but it's encouraging to hear that changes are being contemplated at the highest levels.
I regret that I feel nothing but utter contempt for Saudis and yes, I have known many, all of whom were corrupt and afflicted with advanced superiority complexes. Despite enormous wealth and Western educations, they were sleazy, vain, cruel, deceitful, greedy, repulsive tribal savages. Even an Oxford education wasn't enough to civilize one of the brutes, although he could put on a convincing act until he got drunk. Out of the many Saudis I have known, both men and women, only one was a decent human being and she was beaten to a bloody pulp by her husband and suffered permanent brain damage, after which he divorced her.
Nice people, fabulous culture, and their legal system is the icing on the cake. Utopia is Saudi Arabia!
". Something for you to think about...
Posted by: livefreeordie!"""
....asking Naseem to think?......you are too funny.....
"I am not certain what you truly believe, but if your second posting is your true opinion, then why did you explicitly state that they might both be equally dangerous in your first posting?"
Maybe I should have written " and both are equally annoying, (EVEN) if (THEY ARE) not equally dangerous.”
"In my opinion, you have not provided an adequate explanation for this outrageous and offensive comment."
Read the above.
"Perhaps your self-admitted hatred of Evangelicals is clouding your judgment."
Anyone that thinks that he has the right to impose himself onto others annoys me. Hatred is too strong a word.
"Cruzado -- let me guess, you read The Da Vinci Code and now you believe all that garbage about Jesus Christ; that he was married, had a wife and a few kids. Is that the information for which Christians should be challenged under? Please."
You should get your head examined. The Da Vinci Code??? Are you completely stupid??? Read Pepe Rodriguez' "Mentiras Fundamentales de la Iglesia Católica", read the Gospel of St Judas and all the others that show a very different Jesus, read the 2 out of the 4 canonical gospels that DO MENTION EXPLICITELY that Jesus had brothers and sisters... have you ever even read the New Testament?!
"You sound like my 24 year old daughter who claims to have been "enlightened" by this piece of literature that belongs in a garbage heap of FICTION; as all it did was destroy her fragile faith in Christ and gave her the freedom, as she now defines freedom, to live her life as she pleases and to forget who Jesus Christ truly is."
You seem to have a problem with your daughter living HER life the way SHE wants. It's a bitch living in the free world, isn't it?
"What is it that would challenge a Christians beliefs?"
Learning.
For instance, why has the Old Testament Alliance between Moses and God the same basic structure of a Hittite treaty?
What kind of God would choose the weakest and most insignificant people of the ancient Middle East to "adopt" as his own, a people that with the exception of the rule of powerful king Solomon, was invaded by everyone except the Spice Girls? Why not Egypt, or Persia? Why Israel and Judah?
Do you even know what would happen to a male Jew that wasn't married in his 20s? Well, he wouldn't get any followers, that's for sure... (if you don't get how important children and a wife were to prove the virility of a man, read the story of Abraham again).
I am going offtopic, and it was not my intention of imposing MY values and my set of beliefs onto others. My beliefs are mine. You should try that sometime: keep it personal. That's what tolerance is all about. Respecting, even if not agreeing. But my tolerance and respect ends as soon as they cross into my territory.
One last thing: I am not your son. You don't know me. We come from different cultures and speak different languages. So please, do not patronize me. It is not polite. You shouldn't even "patronize" your own daughter, who by your own words, is old enough to live her own life.
The sky is blue and it is a sunny day (at least from where I stand). Go live your life and let others live theirs.
Saudi King serenaded with Darth Vader theme as he enters Buckingham Palace
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I love this! I generally tend toward the serious myself, but I know humor can be a potent weapon against evil. I think of Bugs Bunny confronting Hitler and Spike Jones singing "Der Fuehrer's Face". Radical Islam is not just horrifying--it is also extremely ludicrous.
Rioting over cartoons, declaring falafels "unIslamic", dressing in shapeless black sacks even in the swimming pool, holding learned discussions on how to wipe your a**--these things are *ridiculous* as well as awful. Hats off to the boys in the band!
Jcom wrpte:
Oh, my kid tried to correct me...he said it's the Imperial March (whatever the hell difference that makes, lol)...I don't care either way, that's funny!
Ha! Jcom, you're both right. This piece of music, written by composer John Williams for George Lucas, is officially titled the "Imperial March", but since it was created solely as a lietmotif for Darth Vader it is also known as "Darth Vader's Theme".
Hi cruzado --
I didn't mean to patronize you, so I'm sorry for coming across that way, but you did go on the attack towards Christians so it put me on the defensive. You leveled some charges about Christianity that suggests we are 'stupid' for believing what we believe, so patronizing works both ways.
I became a Christian when I was 19, and I didn't have ANY religious upbringing. We didn't go to church, so I didn't have any religious baggage that got in the way of Christ's gospel message.
One day I was approached by a guy from work who invited me to church. We worked together at Mattel toys as "toy testers" (pretty funny huh) and I kept saying NO to his invitation. But about 4 months later I changed my mind and accepted his invitation just to shut him up, and that night I prayed and discovered a God I had never known -- a personal God named Jesus Christ.
I have questions too, as do all Christians, but I will never question the love Jesus has for me and why He went to the cross.
Take care.
cruzado -- if you can put your valid questions aside and get back to the heart of matter, which is Jesus Christ, then I promise you will find true peace.
Dumpling wrote:
Dr. Spencer, you're my hero.
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Welcome, Dumpling. I think you will find this site invaluable in learning about the Jihad threat. I'll look for your posts.
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American Tiger wrote:
If you have the courage and mental fortitude, please seek out and watch a single beheading or throatcutting video through liveleak.com or elsewhere. You will immediately know what the stakes are, and you will never be able to forget what you have seen. Do not let loved ones watch or people of the female persuasion, for they will hate you for introducing the horrific truth into their lives.
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I think you will find that there are many people "of the female persuasion" in the fight against Jihad.
Famously, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan are all former Muslimas who saw a lot of these horrors up close and chose to stand against them. Columnists Diana West, Caroline Glick, and Michelle Malkin write frequently about radical Islam, as does blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.
There are a lot of posters here at JW who are women. Most notably Marisol, but also Marwan's Daughter and Isabella the Crusader. There are many others with user names that are not obviously female, such as I'm No Dhimmi and Champ--I'm sure there are many others.
I'm female myself, sometimes even stereotypically so--I illustrate children's books and rescue fluffy kitties in my spare time (seriously!).
I find it heartbreaking when I read about or see Jihad violence--the victims on board the hijacked flights on 9/11, especially the little girls; little kids being urged to "martyrdom" on Palestinian children's television; infants with their heads bloodied by their pious Shi'ite mothers, stonings of women in Iran, the beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl--on and on.
I'm heartbroken and I'm angry--and not at those who exposed me to the truth, but at the perpetrators. American Tiger, I'll think you'll find you have more allies against Jihad than you ever thought you did.
"You leveled some charges about Christianity that suggests we are 'stupid' for believing what we believe, so patronizing works both ways."
Not stupid, but emotionally insecure and to some extent afraid to assume responsibility for their own mortality. And what is worse, I find religion dangerous because it takes the moral responsibility from its followers. That is the heart of the problem with Muslims, and that was the heart of the problem with Christianity until not that long ago. When people are turned into children who are bound to fail and do wrong (only to eventually be forgiven by God), that makes the world a more dangerous place.
Once doesn't need religion to be good and upright, and most of all, one doesn't have to be religious to find happiness.
The war on terror /war on islam is not the religious beliefs itself. It is about the unquestioned practical applications of those beliefs. WHy are they unquestioned? Because religion tells us to believe, not to question.
"a personal God named Jesus Christ."
To many Christians throughout the world, what you've just said is blasphemy. To Christ himself, that would be idolatry which was something that as a Jew, he abhorred.
"I have questions too, as do all Christians, but I will never question the love Jesus has for me and why He went to the cross."
The information is out there. All you have to do is research. I know why He went to the cross, and it has everything to do with His religious beliefs (his, not necessarily yours). I also know why he considered Judas (and not Peter) as the only of the apostles that understood him.
"if you can put your valid questions aside and get back to the heart of matter, which is Jesus Christ, then I promise you will find true peace."
I am at peace with myself - and have been for the past 13 years. But I appreciate the concern.
I would have preferred the comic/pop song. " A-hab the A-rab.. the sheik of the burning sand..."
"Not stupid, but emotionally insecure and to some extent afraid to assume responsibility for their own mortality"
This statement stems from ignorance, and it in no way describes me, because I am neither emotionally insecure nor afraid to assume responsibility for my own mortality. This sounds judgmental and presupposes insights about another person that only God himself would know; or insights that someone may have openly shared with you -- but I doubt they did.
Are you clarvoyant? Then how would you know whether or not someone is emotionally insecure or not? Do you read minds? No. Then I would stick to the facts instead of spreading fiction, because all you've done is express stereotypes that are odd and untrue.
"To many Christians throughout the world, what you've just said is blasphemy. To Christ himself, that would be idolatry which was something that as a Jew, he abhorred."
You have it all backwards, and you do not know what you are talking about. Your statement completely contradicts Gods Word. Read the passage I've provided below, as it clearly states just the OPPOSITE of what you stated:
Philippians 2:9-11
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father."
Bowing ones knee to Jesus Christ is keeping with GODS PLAN, and doing so is neither blasphemy nor idolatry. NOT bowing to Christ displeases God.
I'm sorry, but you sound very misinformed and you've developed some really strange judgments about Christians, some of which made me chuckle. Too bad that you harbor these negative views of Chrisians, because you're picking fights with the wrong enemy.
I wasn't even going to reply to this, but alas...
"This statement stems from ignorance"
The only thing I know is that I know nothing. I am paraphrasing Plato, who was one of the wisest the world has ever known.
"This sounds judgmental"
The only kind of people that don't judge others are the dead.
"Then how would you know whether or not someone is emotionally insecure or not?"
This is a tough one... by living and keeping my eyes and ears alert?
"Your statement completely contradicts Gods Word."
The Bible is not God's literal Word. It is the revelation of God's Word through HUMAN messengers, and as such subject to interpretation (unlike the Koran who is supposed to be seen as Allah's LITERAL word). This much shows how little you know...
"and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"
The New Testament (which - with the exception of Mathew and Mark - was written decades after Jesus' death and by people that never met Jesus tells us many things. In fact, the Gospels contradict themselves in various passages. And the passage you wrote DOES NOT claim God's divinity. In fact that very claim originated divisions between various early Christian sects (some believing in Christ's divinity while others believed in him as a mere prophet).
"Bowing ones knee to Jesus Christ is keeping with GODS PLAN"
Well, judging from what is written in the 4 Gospels (I am not even mentioning the Apocryphs), what Jesus wanted was a type of Judaism where the people had a personal and direct relationship with God - without any organized interference from a religious class of clerics, such as the Pharisees.
"NOT bowing to Christ displeases God"
So now you know what pleases and displeases God?
"I'm sorry, but you sound very misinformed"
Ditto.
"And the passage you wrote DOES NOT claim God's divinity."
should be "DOES NOT claim Jesus' divinity"
I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense, but may I suggest that you examine your Christ-hating, Christian-hating views and keep them to yourself as they having to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that they bring you any true peace.
Hating the Christian posters on JW/DW should not be the goal, but hating this evil theology known as Islam should be.
Lets not fight each other and stick to what's important. Remember what's important? I won't be bothering writing you again.
Take care.
"as they having to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that they bring you any true peace."
correction....
as your views have NOTHING to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that your hatred of Christians brings you any true peace.
TO Cruzado who wrote:
The only thing I know is that I know nothing. I am paraphrasing Plato, who was one of the wisest the world has ever known.
In reality, you are paraphrasing a Platonic Dialogue. The distinction is important, for Plato credits Socrates for having said this, not he himself. Almost all commentators agree that this is from an early period in Plato’s career when Plato was still mouthing Socrates own ideas. Of course, Plato fully concurs. Also, I agree with you that Plato was one of the wisest persons the world has ever known.
wasn't this post about some wahabbi warlord being serenaded by a once great nation to the theme tune of star wars? or am i missing something? normally when i start going off topic i'm jumped on from 1000 feet and accused of being a "crypto fascist" or something like that to shut me up!
"In reality, you are paraphrasing a Platonic Dialogue."
You are quite right.
"I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense, but may I suggest that you examine your Christ-hating, Christian-hating views and keep them to yourself as they having to do with Jihad Watch; and I can't imagine that they bring you any true peace."
I can't even imagine what could have given you the idea - from anything that I may have written - that I hate Christians, when so many of my own values have are Christian-based. I do not hate Christians, nor Christianity, nor Christ (not that it matters, because being retarded as you seem to be - notice that I am adressing solely YOU, not Christians, not Christ, JUST YOU - it would be easier to teach explain this to a brick wall).
"Hating the Christian posters on JW/DW should not be the goal, but hating this evil theology known as Islam should be."
Please seek professional help. I don't hate anyone. But I do get annoyed when the only answer some people find to Islamic medievalism is some sort of strategy that has more to do with Jehova's Witnesses evangelization, than with Reason and common sense (as in, Islam is bad because it restricts freedom and our human rights as individiuals, and not because it isn't Christianity).
Get it, thicko?