Last night I had the great honor of speaking on a panel with Iranian freedom fighter Amir Abbas Fakhravar. We were at DePaul University, where the crowd was hostile but only made a few attempts actually to shout us down. They restricted their chanting about racism -- an absurd charge to hurl in any discussion of Islam and jihad, but particularly inappropriate to shout at a former inmate of the mullah' prison cells -- to before and after the event. It was hard to be heard at less than a shout level during the book signing after the event, when the peaceful, tolerant folks' moronic chanting made it almost impossible to carry on a conversation.
Should I be glad that nobody got hurt? On one level, I suppose so. But that that kind of gratitude would even cross my mind (and not just mine) is in itself an indication of how bad things have gotten on our college campuses. The posturing, yelling, and windy self-righteous lecturing during the question period indicated just how thoroughly the DePaul student community, with a few courageous exceptions, has been propagandized.
Freedom Folks, whom I had the pleasure of meeting there, has coverage of the evening, plenty of pictures, and video of the talk I gave.
And that reminds me: if you really like that tie, you can see it again in Atlas' video of a talk I gave at the Counterjihad Summit in Brussels last week, which comes at the end of a long and informative post about the summit itself.
Were the campus and city police there to maintain order? If not, why not? And if they were, why did they not promptly evict any and all of those attempting to disrupt the gathering? The government should think about establishing a special police task force whose sole task will be to ensure that Muslim attempts to harass or intimidate or shout down speakers will be met not only with removal from the site, but removal from the student rolls and, if they turn out to be non-citizens, from the country. If this is done often enough, behavior -- though not attitudes and desires, which will remain the same -- will change.
There's a mystical basis for theses students' behavior that gives them the inalienable right to drown out any speakers whose facts make them uncomfortable. It's called "Academic Freedom." All of our wars were fought to protect this right and this right alone. It has no corollary in Islam, but nevermind.
The guy in the front row gnashing his teeth and the one behind him seem to be iranians. Also, too many head scarves in the audience for comfort.
Folks, you are seeing the enemy at work in a very behind-the-scenes-way.
"They restricted their chanting about racism -- an absurd charge to hurl in any discussion of Islam and jihad, but particularly inappropriate to shout at a former inmate of the mullah' prison cells"
Ah, the irony. So thick you could put a collar on it and call it Fido.
Courageous and much needed Mr. Spencer.
Robert,
Perhaps for upcoming events, you can have someone transcribe while you or others speak and have your words appear on screen with the speaker's face in a corner. I'm sure the intolerant will try to find a way to block the written message but at least you won't have to shout so much and whatever physical action the intolerant take would make security act.
The content of the speech was very appropriate to the university setting. It was mostly a reasoned appeal to simply be heard. I guess you have to start with the basics in an atmosphere like that.
Although it's pretty sad that the content had to be dumbed down to the most basic points in what's supposed to be an institution of higher learning. I guess you gotta start on step #1 with people who are already propagandized, and there's no point in skipping ahead to "preach to the choir" if you will lose the rest of the audience right off the bat.
What happened to the openmindedness when Columbia had I'm-a-nut-job speak? The willingness to hear the other sides view.
I am so glad I don't have children in College these days. Apparently dialog has been replaced with propaganda.
Hope springs eternal: Wisconsin's Ward Churchill was brutally heckled during Horowitz's speech last night;
Badger Herald invites readers to pile on here.Daily Cardinal has more.
Classic reminiscence of hitler's sturmabteilung of the 1930's...
...do they even realize how their very actions like this prove their "infidel" detractors correct?
...don't they realize how their shills completely neutralize & overshadow their claims of "islam is the rop".
...thus, don't they realize what hypocrites they make of themselves when they pull this infantile insanity?
So I ask these self-proclaimed, but seemingly hypocritical ROP'ers one question, again:
Is your position, your very religious doctrine, THAT baseless, THAT far "without foundation" that it cannot withstand scrutiny, or even simple discussion???
Since we KNOW you're monitoring this site based on your hysteria, which tells the tale:
Here, in the REAL world:
Common sense says people who are secure in their beliefs don't act like this...as truth withstands scrutiny and stands on its own without help.
But people who are INsecure,
UNsure,
and to be blunt, people with something exceptionally grave to hide, act like this.
Your claims of R.O.P. vs this behavior of you and your peers are in direct and absolute conflict.
This is not the work of ANY "religion of peace".
This is the work of someone with a lot to hide.
The results of your actions are having the opposite effect as you'd hoped...
...you can drown out a voice, but you canNOT drown out REALITY.
Robert, thank you for being a voice of sanity in the din of ignorance. Thanks for standing up for truth and putting up with fools. You are the point of our spear.
Blackfive attended Horowitz lecture and offers play-by-play.
Sweet.
"There's a mystical basis for theses students' behavior that gives them the inalienable right to drown out any speakers whose facts make them uncomfortable. It's called "Academic Freedom." All of our wars were fought to protect this right and this right alone. It has no corollary in Islam, but nevermind.
Posted by: ChristianRepublic "
...."academic freedom" in no excuse for rude civil disobedience,bad behaviour,and loud shouts to drown out the speaker...did the "student" come to listen to what the speaker had to say or did they just come to create trouble....
.........their "inalienable right to drown out any speakers" automatically gives the police or security the inalienable right to remove these people from the room.....
And folks aspire to send their kids to college why?
Save your money and send them to trade school-we can always use more plumbers, mechanics, electricians and less brainwashed and politically correct graduates who seek to "better" the world by destroying it.
...were the students actually afraid they might accidently learn something from a guest speaker?....one does to college to learn....thugs on the street corner can resort to shout downs...thugs on the street corner have no life or future and will never solve any problems...
...if a student wants to shout out his displeasures...he can join the thug on the street corner and do so....
...if a student wants to learn...he will listen to all speakers....
The English had a descriptive word for these people. Cannon fodder. Give them to the jihadists and see how long they last. Those of us who would stand up for our beliefs would fair better than those fools.
Robert, at FrontPageMag. today.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FDD13E54-41C7-4C89-A482-58159E9435A5
The English had a descriptive word for these people. Cannon fodder. Give them to the jihadists and see how long they last. Those of us who would stand up for our beliefs would fair better than those fools.
"And folks aspire to send their kids to college why?
Save your money and send them to trade school-we can always use more plumbers, mechanics, electricians and less brainwashed and politically correct graduates who seek to "better" the world by destroying it.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS "
....the way the world is going....send them to a military school....
ironman,
communism had a word for them too: "useful idiots"
Too many Rop® in the audience for my liking. They should be at some superior university in the middle east....why aren't they?
.....there aren't any???
"communism had a word for them too: "useful idiots"
Posted by: jcom972 "
......Male Muslims had a name for the males and it is "Rage Boy"....
(exsgtbrown: I hope you know that I was being facetious. It seems like you took my sarcasm seriously. Sorry that I am so smooth as to have confused you...)
From http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=1.0.1449270797 (linked by www.thereligionofpeace.com)
“Hina Saleem, who dressed in western clothes, worked in a pizzeria in the northern town of Sarezzo and lived with her Italian boyfriend was found with her throat slit buried in the garden of her family home, her head facing Mecca in August 2006. Her father Mohammed confessed to her slaying.” [END]
At least her head was facing Mecca, further demonstrating her dad’s piety. I don't want my daughter shacking up either, but c'mon.
There were two groups of opponents at the love fest responding to Robert’s talk at DePaul, liberals and Muslims. Robert is lucky the liberals weren’t throwing custard pies, since he deserves such treatment due to his "intolerance."
Whether they know it or not, honor killing as described above, among other atrocities, was what the liberals in this audience were defending, of which they are either oblivious or careless. I wonder how many of the liberal young "ladies" in the audience so enraged by Robert's presence are shagging their boyfriends. Would they get a pass under Sharia?
On the other hand, the ReligionOfPeaceniks in this audience know that Hina Saleem got what she deserved under Sharia, and yet there they were trying to intimidate and harass someone merely describing (letting the cat out of the bag about) Sharia. “Hmmm…. He’s telling people what we believe and do… we had better stop him before too many people catch on to what we have in store for them.”
We must restore order before things get out of hand. We must treat Muslims like Muslim nations treat non-Muslims:
1. End Muslim immigration.
2. Close down all mosques.
3. Declare that Islam is not a religion but a bandit code.
4. Remove First Amendment protections for Islam and Muslims.
5. Make illegal the promulgation and practice of Islam.
6. Deport Muslim troublemakers to the Islamic paradise of their choosing.
I guaranty that they, or something like them, will be implemented eventually in western nations including the USA. Those nations that do not implement these (or similar, or better) measures will cease to be western: they will come under Sharia sooner or later, or at best, life will become intolerable for all concerned during a long descent into anarchy.
The airheads and Allahists in Robert’s audience were asking for one of two things: their measures imposed on us, or these measures imposed on them. Whether they are fully cognizant of the implications of either is irrelevant.
Unfortunately, there may be hundreds if not thousands of deaths of innocents due to terrorism as employed by Muslim “evangelists” before (or procedural to) these measures’ enactment. We can make this choice preemptively, or we can await the possible death or maiming of our neighbors and children before mustering the guts to defend ourselves. Those with better ideas should please chime in. I’m teachable.
It’s painful to hear Robert call for Muslims to come up with “reasonable” alternative interpretations of the many violent and Western-values negating verses of the Koran in order to reform or transmogrify traditional Islam. I’m sure the Muslims in the audience and in general think this absurd; these texts of the Koran are too direct & clear anyway. IMO most “moderate” Muslims are simply passive Muslims pretending that Islam is compatible with the West in order to live and prosper in the Infidel land. They can easily rationalize that Allah does not requite them by pointless violent acts to get imprisoned while living here. They have a much better plan.
The real plan is just to sit tight and wait for the demographic takeover while militating against the likes of Robert Spencer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark Steyn and others calling them bigots and hate mongers (getting the sucker liberal infidels to go along) before they wake up too many infidels. There’s no attempt (except by a very few nuts) to reform Islam from within. It’s just a matter of waiting & prospering while the amazingly stupid infidels allow their numbers to grow & grow through immigration & high birth rate. That’s the one thing the West can't seem to do much about – any self-defensive actions would be called racist, illegal religious profiling and Nazi fascism and Americans & Europeans can be counted on to recoil from this. A few moderate Muslims can garner points for the Umma by publicly deploring the useless acts of unnecessary terrorism, and never worry about politicians getting wise - they know them as overwhelmingly stupid, spineless & corrupt sellouts. For smart “moderate” Muslims, patience alone & dependable infidel stupidity will bring dar Al- Islam & sharia everywhere.
The stupidity of women in America who are muslim. Do they think that if the muslims get their way that their life would be as good as it is now under our laws?! Sometimes stupid is the only word I can use for their behavior.
DePaul University is a "Catholic" university with big sympathies and tolerance for Islamic causes. They were hiring Muslims professors in their religion dept. 20 years ago. If I remember correctly, a part time instructor was let go because he 'hurt' the feelings of a Palestinian student that he disagreed with about Israel. Among the additional charges was that he made her feel threatened. I guess those concerns don't apply to guest speakers.
It’s painful to hear Robert call for Muslims to come up with “reasonable” alternative interpretations of the many violent and Western-values negating verses of the Koran in order to reform or transmogrify traditional Islam. I’m sure the Muslims in the audience and in general think this absurd; these texts of the Koran are too direct & clear anyway. IMO most “moderate” Muslims are simply passive Muslims pretending that Islam is compatible with the West in order to live and prosper in the Infidel land. They can easily rationalize that Allah does not requite them by pointless violent acts to get imprisoned while living here. They have a much better plan.
The real plan is just to sit tight and wait for the demographic takeover while militating against the likes of Robert Spencer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark Steyn and others calling them bigots and hate mongers (getting the sucker liberal infidels to go along) before they wake up too many infidels. There’s no attempt (except by a very few nuts) to reform Islam from within. It’s just a matter of waiting & prospering while the amazingly stupid infidels allow their numbers to grow & grow through immigration & high birth rate. That’s the one thing the West can't seem to do much about – any self-defensive actions would be called racist, illegal religious profiling and Nazi fascism and Americans & Europeans can be counted on to recoil from this. A few moderate Muslims can garner points for the Umma by publicly deploring the useless acts of unnecessary terrorism, and never worry about politicians getting wise - they know them as overwhelmingly stupid, spineless & corrupt sellouts. For smart “moderate” Muslims, patience alone & dependable infidel stupidity will bring dar Al- Islam & sharia everywhere.
I listened to the speech very intently. As usual, Robert was composed, articulate and succinct.
But as I listened to his furtive call for an open, honest dialog, I couldn't help wondering if Robert himself actually believes it could ever result in the achievement of his stated aim: That Muslims en-mass would voluntarily reinterpret their foundational texts in a way that would mitigate the ample intolerance.
Somehow I doubt it. I debate Muslims constantly on Left-wing blogs...and my experience is that no amount of gentle persuasion will ever compel them to abandon their fidelity to the either the spirit OR THE LETTER of their religion.
FM and Cornelius:
There can be more than one reason to ask for something. One may ask for something in order to get it. OR one may ask for something because the very act of asking puts the focus, for all observers, on the source of the problem -- which few are willing to acknowledge.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
The MSM chose to downplay the fact that a vocal group of Iranian-American ex-pats came out to protest Ahmadnutjob's speech at the UN.
They implied that the only protesters were Jewish groups (sounds like anti-Semitism), which were opposed by anti-Zionist Jews.
Attending college in the mid-1980s while a midshipman on a Navy ROTC scholarship had its moments, but nothing like today's colleges and unviversities of the absurd. If these students are so concerned about academic freedom, etc., then why don't they attend a university in Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. A truly culturally awakening experience awaits them - especially for the women.
These are the same students that will attack a Christian group on campus as being "extreme or fundamentalist", but bend over backwards for the Muslim extremists among them. Unbelieveable.
And I continue to be awed by Mr. Spencer's (and others) continued struggle to speak before such hostile groups.
CTYankee,
You talkin' about these folks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REERy0C1sKo&eurl=http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REERy0C1sKo
Interesting.
More wacademia wailing & whining todays;
Robert,
Perhaps for upcoming events, you can have someone transcribe while you or others speak and have your words appear on screen with the speaker's face in a corner. I'm sure the intolerant will try to find a way to block the written message but at least you won't have to shout so much and whatever physical action the intolerant take would make security act.
Posted by: 3812Michelle
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IslamoFascism is a subject of great concern to many of my deaf friends. However, I do not have the necessary ability to accurately interpret oral or audio/video offerings on this subject. Providing a written interpretation within these mediums, would greatly enhance their understanding of this important subject. It would certainly benefit those of us whose hearing has simply worsened through the years, as well.
The target of this action is not really muslims, but rather everyone else. It is useful because it provides a challenge and highlights the bad behavior of our opponents. Only the intellectually bankrupt must resort to shouting. the more bad attitude and behavior from our enemies the better. People are starting to wake up. We must keep talking and acting. Bravo Zulu, Mr. Spencer.
Sigh~
I know what I'm gonna get for posting this here.
http://queermuslimrevolution.blogspot.com/
Read through the blogz and check out some of the links @ the bottom of the page.
In addition to these, there are regular gay "habibis" here in NYC and other cities, including Beirut. Good food, good music, belly dancing boys.
I subscribe to a "gaymiddleeast" e-mail group where, at the risk of their lives, gay arab men cruise each other in places like Jiddah and Mecca.
Change IS possible.
I'd love to hear from Robert about the gay muslim scene in Brussells, but that's not what he's there for.
Fatwa issued against tie.
ChristianRepublic
We must restore order before things get out of hand. We must treat Muslims like Muslim nations treat non-Muslims. Those with better ideas should please chime in. I’m teachable
First off, CR, let me say that I agree with every one of your six points. What I’m at odds with is your use of the term “we”.
I assume that you mean “we” as in the nations of the West. While agreeing with your points, you have to be realistic - geo-political strategic factors and economic concerns will always force governments to seek compromise rather than confrontation. I don’t believe that any Western government - regardless of political persuasion - would ever realistically consider implementing such measures until it was far too late.
I’ve always been more interested in what we - as in supporters of the counter-jihad - can achieve. What are our realistic objectives? (We all know what needs to be done, as in your six points, but none of us are in a position to do those things or influence government policy in order to bring them about).
I think the Brussel’s Counterjihad Summit was an excellent step. Bringing together some of the major voices in the CJ to exchange experiences and information will help the flow of ideas and give direction to what, until now, has been an enthusiastic but frustratingly disjointed movement.
Another point. Our Governments stress that the problem is not Islam, but a handful of individuals “misrepresenting” themselves as Muslims.
We have to continue stressing the opposite - that the problem is not individual Muslims, but Islam itself, and for a very good reason.
Even here in the UK, Muslims are still something of a rarity in everyday life, outside of the Islamic sections of the big cities and a few of the larger towns. Society is polarized, and for most people, the only social contact they’ll have with Muslims - if any - is through the workplace. Muslims who work are likely to be Westernised in dress and behaviour, and so it becomes very difficult for non-Muslims to equate the view put forward by the CJ with their own experiences. For sure, they’ll say, there are a handful of extremist Muslims, just as there are a minority of Christian or Jewish religious whackos, but most are perfectly ordinary - just like Ahmed or Naseema in the office.
We have to find ways of raising the consciousness of such people about the Islamic threat without alienating them. If we can’t do that, then we fail and Islam wins. It’s as simple as that.
"It was hard to be heard at less than a shout level during the book signing after the event, when the peaceful, tolerant folks' moronic chanting made it almost impossible to carry on a conversation".-Robert
Excellent talk. The "spiritual terror" tactics used by the Islamofascists (and folks such as Fibrahim Hooper, e.g.)are not new. People should not forget that in the Arab Mid East Mien Kampf is second only to the Quran in popularity. Islam is the engine of Arab supremacism and Muslims generally bow toward really racist, really apartheid Saudi Arabia, which continues to deny the ethnic, racial and other discrimination evidence presented by Amnesty International. (Why are Muslims so silent re that?)
The Islamofacists shout, intimidate, slander, and project their real racism (they don't practice what they preach) in a country that is freer and more pluralistic than any Arab country. It's ironic.
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Hitler (from Mein Kampf) on the methods he learned in Vienna on how to silence critics: "I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they (the PC in media and govt, e.g.) sacrifice the hated individual(s).
However, the fools obtain no peace.
The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive (PC, e.g.) paralysis.........Conversely, they praise every (PC) weakling on the opposing side (who appease them), sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence".
In regard to the "spiritual terror" tactics of Hitler (noted above), William Shirer (page 23, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) said: "No more precise analysis of Nazi tactics, as Hitler was eventually to develop them, was ever written".
Hugh suggested:
This is as likely:I sat in the 5th row of the audience next to a group of militant student types. The clean-cut looking young American student next to me was wearing a shirt with some slogan in Arabic script... and spewing abrogated verses from the Quran. Others sported red star shirts, the ever-present Che Guevera shirts, and various islamic garb. My business suit and American Flag lapel pin got me an immediate "racist" epithet from the students, some of whom were self-described dropouts from various universities around the globe.
The air was thick with the smell of moral relativism and moral equivalence. One commenter had to draw parallels between radical "extremist Christians" and islamic fundamentalists. I guess to a godless heathen, they all look alike.
Only the self-righteous indignation at hastily erected strawmen arguments seemed to eclipse the directionless amorality. The contrived, preachy indignation and abundant ad homs expressed by the audience questioners was entertaining if not edifying.
The audience seemed evenly divided,although Robert Spencer and Iranian dissident Amir Abbas Fhakhravar received the largest applause. The respectful, clean-cut, neatly attired Depaul Conservative Alliance members contrasted sharply with their loud, rude, slovenly counterparts on the Left. Chicago political pundit Jeff Berkowitz had his hands full managing the "exuberant youths" who queued up... allegedly to ask questions, but mostly to lecture Robert for his various "sins". Their hypocricy was not wasted on this observer.
Robert skillfully defused the talking points of DePaul professor Scott Hibbard, who seemed to know little about the current situation on the ground in Iraq or Iran, but acknowledged much of what Amir had to say. Despite language differences, Amir Abbas Fhakhravar won over the crowd with his passion and reasoned descriptions of the Iranian Mullah's regime and its actions.
The event was definitely worth the two-hour trip through rainy Chicago rush-hour traffic to get there.
They're still livid over super-dhimmiwit norman finkelstein getting his long-overdue booting from there, so their pseudo-rage would be a given.
(the staff did it ONLY under fire from realityland, not because they felt NF was out of line at all)
lol
I met suspended DePaul Adjunct Professor Thomas Klocek as we milled about after the event. He was a speaker, along with David Horowitz, at another DePaul Conservative Alliance event last January. Some may recall that Prof Klocek was suspended a couple years back, ostensibly for his political views vis a vis the "suffering Palestinians", after an on-campus encounter with palestinian apologists two years ago. His case is still winding through the Crook County Courts. I advised him to seek a change of venue.
lol @ "crook county courts"
That's what my relatives there call it too.
Ah, tradition!...lol
jcom972-
It is interesting that after our JW conversation re Lucy/Oster and Ultra (I know a little re the two anti-Nazis) I keep running into this Bonhoeffer guy in reading re Lucy, etc. In fact, I open up my e-mail today and there (leading off) from Amazon is a book offer of "The Cost of Discipleship" by Bonhoeffer. (I guess that outdoor cat Fitzgerald would call it serendipity. However, I'm not so sure it's so favorable.) It's funny how Lucy opened the door to Bonhoeffer. I know nothing about him either, other than superficial knowledge.
One of the problems with knowledge (plumbing, history, medicine, science, music, practical work, etc.)is that there is so much of it. We really have to be specialists, grasp one field, not to remain almost totally superficial. And yet, in grasping one field (look at doctors) we often become total amateurs in the rest of life.
In any case, we've all learned a little about Islam at the JW school. We've also learned the teachers are a little at risk as they teach their specialty. However, it looks like Bonhoeffer did not have it easy either. (Bonhoeffer's idea re cheap vs. costly "grace" reminds me of the saying "cheap rent, cheap renters".)
bigcatgirl13106, you said:
Do you remember when the Soviet Union died, how most of the Western propaganda for communism dried up and disappeared? Sure, a lot of that disappearance was simply natural given the circumstances. But some significant part of the disappearance was also a result of the end of the support -- moral, financial, and other -- emanating by secret channels from the Soviet State itself. The Western debate about communism -- fostered by Westerners who argued it wasn't really so terrible and was perhaps at least morally equivalent to capitalist democracy -- was to a degree a trumped up sham emanating by secret channels of support from Soviet agents, KGB, etc. It also seems that the KGB, undercover in the Arab world, intentionally spread vicious lies about the Jews and Israel. Such lies found fertile soil, since Islam was already notoriously anti-Semitic, as demonstrated by well-documented Palestinian alliances with the Nazis to further the Final Solution.
The same sham-aspect present in the old Western debates about Soviet communism is surely present also today in the Western debates about Islam. A significant portion of the support for the Muslim side of the "debate" (often really just a disinformation exercise) arises through discreet channels that lead back to Muslim totalitarian or fascist governments. In other words, the debate is partly an illusion given artificial life by tyrants and their servants working behind the scenes to exert influence. But there is a large distinction between this situation and the one with the Soviets. In the case of Islam, not just government agents, but some significant percentage of ordinary Muslims are eager to collude, passively or actively, with the deceptions and disinformation that give false apparent life to the Western "debate" about whether Islam has been hijacked or not. Of course it has not been hijacked, but the trumped up aspect of the debate helps buys more and more time for Islamic infiltration of the West.
Mr. Spencer,
Maybe I don’t fully understand your strategy or how it could work but who is your primary target audience? If it’s the “moderate” Muslim, then I would think they know the “source of the problem”, as you say, but are comfortable with the grand strategy of letting the activists smear truth tellers like you with nasty labels while waiting for the demographic takeover. If your primary target audience are non-Muslims then what are your proposing they do? Outreach & Dialogue? That just plays into the Islamic grand strategy involving stringing the infidel fools along. For the non-Muslim audience, it seems to me, what really is needed are more eloquent experts like you but arguing for severe control of Muslim immigration – including seeking out those who simply overstay their visas – and for monitoring of all mosques with criminal indictments, deportation, and possibly even the revoking of citizenship of imams who preach jihad. Education, yes, is the first step and you have been great at this but quickly something further is needed to effectively thwart their demographic takeover. Who is working toward this obvious goal?
Most Muslims don’t really want Dialogue; I think they know their Koran’s intolerance & jihad ideology well enough. They would just play games – although I think a fair number of them are closet apostates or could be reasoned out of this pretty obviously bogus cult. IMO it is mostly the non-Muslim citizens that need to be educated & aroused to the self-defensive necessities of thwarting this long range demographic takeover, and keep in mind that for that takeover to happen a majority population of Muslims is not necessary, only a large enough voting block.
Regards,
FM
Robert, in the presence of a leftist audience, you might try a different tack. I noticed you kept referring to Iran as the exporter of jihad, but perhaps that does not play too well with liberals, considering that Bush has no love for Iran as well. Perhaps if you tell them about Saudi Arabia, a nation liberals associate with Bush, you might have a more receptive audience.
Let's face it. Iran is a small player in the global jihad. It is Saudi Arabia and the oil dollars that fund the mosques worldwide. It is Saudi Arabia that produced 15 of the hijackers. And the human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia can rival anything found in Iran. It is as if Iran is the backer of the war on the Little Satan, while Saudi Arabia funds the war on the Great Satan. Would you agree that is reasonably accurate?
You can make the same points about jihad with respect to Saudi Arabia as you can with Iran. But with SA, the liberals in the audience will associate better with your message if you condemn the oil weapon, Bush's phony war on terror, and our far too friendly relationship with that state. Those are talking points liberals can nod their heads to. They are like Pavlov's dogs. Say the right word, and they can come to life.
Once you get them on your side in that respect, then you can deliver the rest of your message. As it is, they just dismiss you as a talking head of the neocon Haliburton war machine, warning us about Iran, preparing us for war. They mentally tune out. Of course, they were tuned out when they walked in, but say a few choice words for Saudi Arabia and its relationship with Bush, and you may interest them in hearing more.
I honestly think many of those people hate Bush more than they love islam. If you can connect islam with Bush, and that is easy, you can make a connection in their minds that islam = Bush and, in their minds, anything associated with Bush has to be bad. You can get a lot of mileage out of that.
Jihadwatcher:
I had been asked to speak about Iran, and about the Pope's Regensburg address.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
"If it was easy, everybody would do it."- Gene Autry.
Kudos to Mr. Spencer, and all who stand up for our Civilization against this threat of a retrograde theocratic tyranny... (which cloaks itself in the "oppressed minority" / "insulted victim" mantle -for cunning Fifth Column purposes- and thus succeeds in suckering the compassionately gullible).
The hard work is still to come.
But such groundwork must be done.
Keep up the fight, Robert.
Honey and lemon for the throat.
And quips from Ambrose Bierce and Mark Twain and Winston Churchill and Will Rogers to have handy some for good, shut-down-the-stupid rebuttals to the predictable drivel spewed by your "progressive" audience members.
DePaul University -- is this not a Roman Catholic University?
What does that have to do with anything?
EVERYTHING!
Keep up the good fight, Robert. You are a national treasure!
El Roberto-
Re: Syconicity-
The final straw today re Bonhoeffer (note post above) has been someone giving me his book The Martyred Christian-160 readings-selected and edited by Joan Winmill Brown. Published London-forward copyright 1983.
My immediate thought was that Robert has received some e-mail threats recently and that they should be taken seriously. Robert-you are intended to be around for a long while. If my hunch is right, I think you should alert somebody you know about them. One of these e-mails is from a really bad person-really sick. (It might be Fibrahim Hooper-LOL.)
Allah me arse, pal. Oriana Fallaci and a couple of other angels are watching over Robert.
Robert
Kudo's, my man. BTW, loved your book "The Truth About Muhammed". Stellar stuff. I read it while deployed to the wonderful world of the religion of peace.
As a former resident of Academia, I wish I could say that I am suprised by the reaction of the crowd. The muslims I knew in college and grad school, though intelligent people, suddenly degenerated into idiocy whenever questions concerning the truthfulness or veracity of their religion were brought up. They were quick to heap up accusations and charges against the Bible, or Western civilization (though why many of them came to the US to study if what they said was true never crossed their minds), but could not stand questions about the Q'uran or their fake prophet without throwing a temper tantrum. I attended one debate between Shabir Ally and a Kuwaiti Christian from Answering Islam and their behavior was hilarious (the muslim lost...badly).
But what galls me the most is the behavior of the liberal lemmings who can't say enough good things about Islam. I asked those that I knew if they really wanted to live under Islamic law. Having spent plenty of time in the Middle East and seeing the oppressive effect of it on economic development, academic achievement and technological advances, I can't begin to fathom why any self-respecting liberal would side with Islam (particularly the fems). I mean, you think Christianity is bad, go to Afghanistan and check out how wonderful the religion of peace has helped that country. It just shows you how intellectually vacuous secularism/liberalism really is. But this is not meant to be a book.
I'll just say, I love your work, your heart and I recommend your work/website to everyone I can. You are definitely in my prayers.
I graduated from a private University.
I am so ashamed of the current students in that University now. The dhimwits. The little undergraduate dhimwits. Brainwashed.
Ashamed. Not from my time, but now - yes.
Robert was superb at DePaul university, using Iran as an example to express the common Islamo-fascist ideology as a foundation to his frank discussion about Islam and the need for meaningful dialogue about the problem we here at JW, know all too well.
The intrepid Nonie Darwish on the otherhand, had a much more difficult time.
http://www.zombietime.com/darwish_berkeley/
A suggestion.
I read the blog about the events and it was pointed out that at Mr. Horowitz's talk it was far quieter. At his event, photos of victims about to be executed were held up.
Perhaps at future talks, similar photos of executions, etc could be put on display. I'm sure that this wouldn't quieten down even the most loose lipped of hecklers. Maybe even a 10 minute video could be shown before the whole shindig starts could also be shown, film of beheadings, etc.
I'm sure it'd help to focus the minds wonderfully.
Just a thought.
A big THANK YOU, justamomof4.
awake, I clicked on your link about Nonie Darwish.
Poor Nonie Darwish, surrounded by American terrorists and fascists. My God, the utter and complete imbeciles. I'm not only ashamed of American universities, I'm ashamed of America.
Leftist America is suiciding us.
"A big THANK YOU, justamomof4."
justamomof4,
Thank you so much, for providing the transcript of Mr. Spencer's speech. I am truly grateful.
3812Michelle,
That, my friend, is an excellent idea.