Sanctioned by Muhammad's example:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sanctioned by Muhammad's example:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sex crimes are another felony associated with Islamic doctrine that qualifies as a RICO Predicate. Muslims are associated with Islam; Apostates are not associated with Islam.
RICO is a logical way to draw the line.
Maybe American girls aren't growing up too soon after all. God knows what hideous acts of perversion await this poor baby. She is all made up with lipstick, curled hair, jewelry, and a wedding bouquet like a toddler playing dress-up. But this is not play-acting or childish amusement, it is religiously sanctioned pedophilia. I can almost smell the rot of this putrid culture.
Poor little thing! By the time she's twenty-five she'll look fifty, if she survives that long.
In all fairness, this is not a three year-old bride.
She's only been betrothed to her seven year-old cousin. They will be married when they are 14 or 15, by which time she will have had her first menses.
So I can't find anything immoral in this, however this might not jive with contemporary Western standards.
In medieval Europe, it was very common for princes to be engaged with princesses when they were four or five years old, only to marry shortly after the soon-to-be bride received her first menses.
When pedophilia *is* practiced in the Islamic world, as it was by Muhammad (unless we believe Aisha had her first menses when she was nine!) it ought to be condemned as violating the natural law. But we ought not to find pedophilia where it does not exist; We discredit ourselves otherwise.
"In medieval Europe, it was very common for princes to be engaged with princesses when they were four or five years old, only to marry shortly after the soon-to-be bride received her first menses."
this is the 21st century dude.
Three years old!! This is disgusting and perverted; which is exactly what Muhammad was for marrying a child himself. How sick & desperate do you have to be to want to marry a 3-year old toddler?
Not that she's up for adoption, but I would love to rescue this precious baby from this hell hole. Lord!
I, too, think the picture is more a cultural difference than a horror of sharia. The reproductive retreat of the West suggests that something is wrong with us, and we ought not be self-righteous about arranged marriages.
But here's a question that I'd like answered; because if my understanding (which is pretty weird) is true, people should know. Is it the case that Mohammed not only consummated his relationship with Aisha when she was nine, but that he "thighed" her in her younger days? "Thighing," I gather, is a man's spilling semen on a partner's inner thigh.
Oh, the joys of false revelations! And people make this guy into a kind of god, though they insist he is a man.
A disgusting man.
"She's only been betrothed to her seven year-old cousin."
"ONLY" her 7-year old cousin....well that makes me feel more at ease.
wow. where did you find this?
This unfortunately reminds me of an old Jeff Foxworthy line: "If you go to a family reunion to pick up women, ... you might be a redneck."
Or a Muslim.
Jimmy the Dhimmi,
The link to the article is embedded in the photograph of the little girl.
"in medieval Europe"
yep says it all really. We used to burn witches to death as well, bet they still do that. Still, we mustn't take the moral high ground, after all it's only a child getting married at the age of three, she gets fucked much later, so what's the big deal? It's not like they're treating her like an object or anything is it?
She looks more like a dwarf, her head in the photo appears too big. Is she really a three year old, or is it a spoof, does anyone know?
It seems that "thighing" does not involve semen and that the story of Mohammed's "thighing" of Aisha may be false. According to a YouTube video (the highest form of scholarship), there is no reliable hadith that speaks of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKqYNkkK9Xg
Who gets to decide a three-year-old is going to marry their seven year old cousin (Isn't that incest?)? What about true love?
I forgot, that's one of those decadent western ideas.
I continue to insist that educated people must be able to distinguish between moral absolutes and the prudential judgments that we make as a society.
I'm not so sure that arranged marriages are intrinsically evil, or that they are per se incompatible with free consent of the would-be spouses. They might sometimes (okay, many times) be incompatible in practice, but certainly not in theory.
Westernization, especially 21st-century Westernization, is not the same as civilization.
Bottom line...If you place a beautiful naked, 23 year old woman, next to a beautiful naked nine/three year old child, which one is the normal man going to go for?? The emphasis being placed on menses is nothing more than a smokescreen allowing dirty old men to play with little girls. I have pointed out previously that in the US the age of consent in G.Washingtons time was 10 years old. Child brides were common, and often the conditions were horrible.
No Islamic, or American child, petitioned the gov or the Caliph, for permission to marry or have sex with nasty old men. But America went through an age of 'enlightenment' where children became valuable, and dirty old men are relegated to the back rooms of adult bookstores, or the internet.
We still have dirty old men, but most of them behave. When they don't and get caught they go to jail. In Taliban land, the dirty old men are prevalent and operate out in the open. This is Islam territory where children are used and abused. I read an article about sexual abuse in Pakistan Madrassas. Between 2001/2004, over 2000 cases were reported, there were 200 investigations, and no arrests. At least America makes an attempt to protect its children, feeble as it is, but Islam makes no attempt at at all. Instead they infuse them with religious hate material, and marry them to a bomb, or a dirty old man. Either one is the end of the child...
Future vision: pre-natal female fetuses getting 'bethothed' to Muslim males...
I wonder whether the 7 year old hubby will appreciate cleaning diapers?
Robert I am always amazed by the continued barbarism that comes from this religion and culture.
I would appreciate a link to the source for this though, not that I doubt your sources, but I can't talk about this to sceptics without that info.
Sincerely,
The Fanatic
Article in Answering Islam on 'thighing' here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm
Also Wafa Sultan critizised the practice which is widespread at Muslim weddings.
Arranged marriages in Islamic society would not be viewed as evil because they also give tactic approval to slavery, being slaves themselves. (Abdallah). Arranged Marriages imply parental ownership. Ownership of another person is a slave master relationship. As Gibran pointed out in his book 'The Prophet', speaking of children, 'Though they come through you, and they are with you, they are not yours'.
But slavery is evil. The attempt to dominate another's free will, by replacing his will with your will, is an act of black magick, and then evil.
The duty of the parent is to guide, not own.
But of course, this is the western point of view.
And all westerners don't agree either. Some think they own their children, at least till the magical age of 18. Then they can kick the little trouble makers out...Or marry them off...
Link to the article:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article336727.ece
dominusvobiscum:
I do find arranged marriages morally repulsive because they do not involve free will.
In my country, social services would take her away from her parents and place her in foster care.
three year old=zero consent=wrong
Not rocket science.
Sick.
Ian said
Nah, they don't burn them, they arrest them and then behead them. See? Islam has moved into the 21st Century too.
but but it's their culture.
@ Ian:
The younger a person is, the larger the head is in proportion to the rest of the body. Think of a newborn baby -- about one-third of its total length is comprised of its head. The fact that this person's head appears so large proves that she is indeed a baby.
duh_swami,
A NORMAL and GOOD man wouldn't choose the beautiful, naked 23 year old or the 3 year old. He would get to know the heart of the 23 year old first. That's the problem with arranged marriages - REAL people are involved - on both sides. Arranged marriages disregard the humanity behing the beings of both genders. In fact, Islam is as bad for men as it is for women.
Cinder
Cinder:
Point well taken.
She's adorable.
Muslims don't deserve to have children. God I hate Islam.
Cinder...I did not use the word 'good' in my example, you added that, and in the context of 'good', you may be right. But I used the word 'normal', a normal man is predictable in this circumstance, he will go for the 'babe', not baby, and he will investigate her heart later.
That's the way it is with those red blooded John Wayne types, business now, talk later...
"She's only been betrothed to her seven year-old cousin. They will be married when they are 14 or 15, by which time she will have had her first menses."
Among southern peoples, girls get menses a lot earlier than 14 or 15. More like between 10 and 12. Way too early to marry.
"She's only been betrothed to her seven year-old cousin. They will be married when they are 14 or 15, by which time she will have had her first menses."
Among southern peoples, girls get menses a lot earlier than 14 or 15. More like between 10 and 12. Way too early to marry.
I love it how Spencer tries to connect Afghani tribalism with Islam. He uses a hadith which discusses Muhhammed's to Aisha as sanctioning this type of marriage which is an arranged marriage of a 3 year old with her 7 year old cousin. Yet, he won't note that this violates islamic law for one main reasons: This is a forced marriage, and I'm 100% sure you know what Islam's stance on forced marriages is but you won't say it. And why say it? I mean, as long as you got followers nodding to everything you're saying and buying every book you're releasing, it would just ruin everything to be honest and say something positive about Islam for once, right? IMO, this another vivid example of your outrageous bias and lies against Islam.
BTW, did you even read the article?
"Her dad Parvez promised Sunam to her seven-year-old cousin Nieem. It was a gift to the lad’s mum, Parvez’s sister, who wanted a daughter."..."Their aunt Najiba says the match is “unbreakable” and they will not be able to divorce under tribe traditions."..."But many wed earlier, as a bride can fetch twice the average yearly salary for her family."
How very "Islamic".
I love it how Spencer tries to connect Afghani tribalism with Islam. He uses a hadith which discusses Muhhammed's to Aisha as sanctioning this type of marriage which is an arranged marriage of a 3 year old with her 7 year old cousin. Yet, he won't note that this violates islamic law for one main reasons: This is a forced marriage, and I'm 100% sure you know what Islam's stance on forced marriages is but you won't say it. And why say it? I mean, as long as you got followers nodding to everything you're saying and buying every book you're releasing, it would just ruin everything to be honest and say something positive about Islam for once, right? IMO, this another vivid example of your outrageous bias and lies against Islam.
BTW, did you even read the article?
"Her dad Parvez promised Sunam to her seven-year-old cousin Nieem. It was a gift to the lad’s mum, Parvez’s sister, who wanted a daughter."..."Their aunt Najiba says the match is “unbreakable” and they will not be able to divorce under tribe traditions."..."But many wed earlier, as a bride can fetch twice the average yearly salary for her family."
How very "Islamic".
"it would just ruin everything to be honest and say something positive about Islam for once, right? "
how can a cult of death give the world anything positive?
This example is eloquently put with support, with loads of references, in Robert's latest book.
Well worth a read, in my estimation.
Dominvs and SSD aside,
This example is eloquently put with support, with loads of references, in Robert's latest book.
The sad reality, for this poor girl. It seems, the only thing more depraved than Islam marriage protocol in this regard, is the non-Islamic excuse of the "tribal custom".
SSD writes, "I love it how Spencer tries to connect Afghani tribalism with Islam."
So what, the tradition of marrying off prepubescent girls without their consent has nothing to do with Islam? Did Aisha consent to her marriage with prophet Mo, Piss Be Upon Him, when she was a 6-year-old baby? Or for that matter, eagerly consent to have sex with him when she was 9?
And BTW, in civilized societies, the age of menses has nothing to do with determining if a child is really ready to have sex, get pregnant, and give birth. Mother nature doesn't always get it right. Some little girls do sometimes start to menstruate at 10 or even 9. That doesn't mean they're grown women, in any sense of the word. Having sex and/or giving birth that young could kill them, and frequently does, in fact. I started at 11-and-a-half, when I was still (occasionally) playing with Barbie dolls. My parents, in their great enlightenment, didn't immediately marry me off to some pig because it was considered a disgrace to have a menstruating daughter in the house. And if they had tried - surprise! - the laws of my country would not have allowed them to do so.
Re. the business of having a menstruating daughter in the house, that was actually something said by that so very un-Islamic leader, the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. He lowered the marriagable age for girls in Iran to 9 as soon as he came to power. Did that have nothing to do with Islam? (I believe it's since been raised a bit, to about, oh, 13.)
He also gave clear guidance to men about the suitablility of "thighing" prepubescent girls. He said it was O.K., even if the girl was a baby, as long as they didn't actually penetrate and "ruin" the girl. If that happened, they had to be responsible for her "care" for the rest of her life, in effect, to "marry" her.
Funny, in our culture, when a man rapes a baby he is sent to jail and, if there is true justice to be had, swiftly dealt with by the prison population at large, not treated as someone who has made a poor decision and in so doing is punished by being allowed to keep his victim to abuse for the rest of her life, the only stipulation being he has to feed and house her.
Obviously this Khomeini was not a "real" Muslim. Where oh where can he have gotten these terrible ideas? Dreadful, how even the leaders of the Muslim world misunderstand their own religion...
BTW, another bit of Khomeini trivia: he was first married at the age of 20 to a 10-year-old girl, who died in childbirth one year later.
And if this "tribal" practice is so un-Islamic, why is it still being widely practiced and tolerated in a land that has been almost 100 percent Islamic for centuries? They've had a rather long time to be weaned out of it.
And as for the comment by Dominvs that "Westernization, especially 21st-century Westernization, is not the same as civilization"...who's saying that it is? Who's saying that arranged marriages are intrinsically wrong? "Arranged" marriage does not necessarily mean child marriage or forced marriage. In many cultures arranged marriages are still the norm, but both parties, by law, have to be adults and have to freely consent. A third party simply acts as a marriage broker or matchmaker in order to introduce compatible singles to one another; usually the parents are heavily involved and there is, no doubt, often considerable pressure from families, but the final say rests with the man and woman themselves. The issue is not arranged marriages, it's forced marriages of underage children who are in no position whatsoever to give consent and who are not given the option of divorce. Laws restricting the age of marriage and/or sex recognize that people under a certain age are NOT able to freely give consent, and thus are extremely vulnerable to abuse by the older and more powerful adults in charge of them. These laws are made to protect children so that they actually have the chance to grow up into healthy adults before they marry and become parents. That's civilization.
How old's the flower girl?
Two comments:
1.) She just looks like a child dressed up for somene else's wedding.
2.) Hardly a single person in the UK takes The Sun (the source of this story) seriously. The Sun is the daily comic that has topless women on page 3. It is not a worthwhile news source.
The story is not worth debating unless it is confirmed by a reputable source.
On the subject of Ayatolla Khomeni’s sexual teaching.
It has been stated several times that married a ten year old.
Robert Spencer stated this in a lecture he gave at the heritage foundation.
Can anyone provide more evidence to back this claim?
This the sort of thing where journalists need to do their homework.
For instance, Yasser Arafat claimed that he was born in Jerusalem.
Others said this was very strange because he spoke Arabic with a strong Cairo accent.
Others claimed was actually born in Cairo and so spent most of his life posing as a Palestinian refugee.
Various journalists, even BBC ones, decided to check up on this. They went to a Government records office in Eygpt and found that there was indeed a birth certificate proving Yasser Arafat’s birthplace was Cairo.
This is surely about as solid and objective as the discipline of history actually gets.
But on the Atatolla Khomeni
It does seem that he reduced the age of consent of girls in Iran to nine.
If you check the relevant penal code for Iran it does, I believe, confirm that.
I have also heard it stated several times, by Robert Spencer among others that he married a ten year old.
Can anyone bring forward some additional evidence on this?
Even though they were tooo young to penetrate, didnt Mohammad talk about the joy of young girls playing with his private parts..????
As I understand it, according to the Ayatolla Khomeni’s interpretation of ol' mo's sexual rules and regs, anything goes with little girls including masturbation to ejaculation between their thighs, sodomy, even intercourse as long as they are not permanently injured. Nice, huh?
Not to mention, the regulations involving sex with sheep, cows etc. Those muslim men are such horny toads!
And I suppose the next step will be the removal of her clitoris. Oh, but I guess this particular ritual, being a "tribal custom", being part of their "culture", is okay too.
It is beyond me why everybody accepts Mohammed's assertion that he had no kind of sex with his 6-yr old bride Aisha.
Maybe the answer sits inside of the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa, one of the his first after taking over Iran on behalf of the great antisemite Jimmy Carter, where the scowling Ayatollah authorized grown men masturbating onto the thighs of small children.
This is Islam. This is Allah. This is Mohammed, who conjured up the fake god Allah.
These are Moslems.
"Yet, he won't note that this violates islamic law for one main reasons: This is a forced marriage, and I'm 100% sure you know what Islam's stance on forced marriages is but you won't say it." --from a poster above
Please refer to Sahih Bukhari 9:86:98: "It was asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! How will she(the virgin) express her consent (for marriage)?' He said, 'By keeping silent.'"
So you see, no overt force required. Just the uncomprehending silence of a child.
obelisk1:
"1.) She just looks like a child dressed up for somene else's wedding."
No she doesn't. She is wearing the veil. Only the bride wears a veil in a wedding.
Odysseus wrote: "It has been stated several times that [Khomeini] married a ten year old.
Robert Spencer stated this in a lecture he gave at the heritage foundation.
Can anyone provide more evidence to back this claim?"
Robert Spencer is not a hack rightwing journalist; he's a scholar of Middle Eastern studies and Islam. I would suggest that makes him a pretty reliable source. How much evidence do you want?
Think about it: why would people make up stories like this? True "Islamophobes" or people who truly hate all Muslims in the way anti-Semites hate Jews wouldn't fabricate stories about little Muslim girls being victimized. That would be counter-rpoductive. They would spread lies exclsuively about Muslim men preying on innocent NON-Muslim girls. How often did the Nazis' propaganda include anything about Jewish men doing evil things to their own women and children?
If Spencer et al really do hate all Muslims, as they are frequently accused, they have a strange way of showing it.
angloirishslav said:
"And BTW, in civilized societies, the age of menses has nothing to do with determining if a child is really ready to have sex, get pregnant, and give birth. Mother nature doesn't always get it right. Some little girls do sometimes start to menstruate at 10 or even 9. That doesn't mean they're grown women, in any sense of the word. Having sex and/or giving birth that young could kill them, and frequently does, in fact."
Good post. Fixating on the age of getting the menses does not even begin to explain the horror of girl marriages.
My local PBS station happened to have a documentary on the subject last night. It covered the practice in India, Niger and Guatemala. In Niger, it featured a hospital/shelter for girls who had given birth too young and, as a result, they either lost the baby or developed conditions such as fistulas/incontinence, nerve damage and chronic, debilitating pain. They lived in sheer, daily misery, shunned by their families and villages because of the smell.
What was also interesting was the clear notion of these girls being traded as a simple commodity by all the parties involved. It was also clear how the mother-in-law, the mother of the boy, is often the worst oppressor of the girl. Perhaps for the first time in her life as a woman, perhaps a child bride herself, she gets to assert her will; she makes the rules; she yells and she threatens and she issues edicts; the mother of the child bride cowers in humility and impotence.
That's why so many baby girls are aborted in India (and elsewhere).
In Guatemala, the 13-year-old pregnant wife accepted her fate with fatalism: if she or her baby were to die, well, people and children die everyday.
There was also a "positive" twist on the Niger story: the Muslim Emir of the region apparently wants to do away with the practice and is sending agit-prop brigades into the villages to educate the people.
Lastly, there is testimony on the web from American GIs serving in hospitals in Afghanistan who tell stories of unspeakable damage done to girls pregnant too young or simply being forced to have sex with much older men. Be warned, these testimonies are very hard to read.
SSD, O.K. So islam does not sanction forced marriages. Let's just say that this is true and 10 or 12 years from now this little girl who has her menses by the way decides she does not want to marry her cousin. Guess what? She has dishonored her family and now will become the recipient of the ever accepted honor killing after which her family will throw her a party and hand out candy. After all she will have saved their family honor by sacrificing her life. What a price to pay!
Aiken Bryce - thanks for the link.
ChristianRepublic
"How old's the flower girl?"
She's due to be born in 7 months.
Mohammad demanded an "arranged" marriage with 6 year old Aiyesha, so the tacit sanction is Islamic. Not just "cultural".
It's in the Bukhari Hadiths.
Islam: prepubescent in more ways than one.
http://www.nopedophileprophets.blogspot.com/
DominvsVobiscvm wrote:
In all fairness, this is not a three year-old bride.
She's only been betrothed to her seven year-old cousin. They will be married when they are 14 or 15, by which time she will have had her first menses.
So I can't find anything immoral in this, however this might not jive with contemporary Western standards.
In medieval Europe, it was very common for princes to be engaged with princesses when they were four or five years old, only to marry shortly after the soon-to-be bride received her first menses...
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StillBreathing wrote:
I, too, think the picture is more a cultural difference than a horror of sharia. The reproductive retreat of the West suggests that something is wrong with us, and we ought not be self-righteous about arranged marriages.
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SSD wrote:
I love it how Spencer tries to connect Afghani tribalism with Islam. He uses a hadith which discusses Muhhammed's to Aisha as sanctioning this type of marriage which is an arranged marriage of a 3 year old with her 7 year old cousin. Yet, he won't note that this violates islamic law for one main reasons: This is a forced marriage, and I'm 100% sure you know what Islam's stance on forced marriages is but you won't say it.
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I always try to be polite when addressing the comments of other JW posters, but I have to admit that I am stunned and appalled by the above comments.
This is a tiny girl, barely more than a toddler. She is still *two years* away from kindergarten.
DominvsVobiscvm, I suppose we should be glad that this little child is not betrothed to an old man. But that you "can't find anything immoral in this, however this might not jive with contemporary Western standards." is profoundly disturbing. To suppose that "contemporary Western standards", are as arbitrary as those of tribal Afghanistan is stunning. The West respects the rights of the individual, as Islam does not.
To point out that the West had similar practices *hundreds of years ago* is telling. One of the great advances of the West, with its respect for free will, is the freedom to decide who to love, who to marry, who to have children with.
StillBreathing, I believe AngloIrishSlav has made clear the link between Shari'ah and underage marriage.And I shudder to think that forced sexual slavery is anyone's solution for restoring a healthy birthrate.
SSD, the claim that Islam forbids forced marriages is weak. The proper consent for a virgin, infamously, is her silence. How can a pre-school child consent to marriage? Neither she nor her cousin can have a clear idea of what marriage means.
Poor little girl! In the West, this would rightly be considered child abuse.
"I'm 100% sure you know what Islam's stance on forced marriages is but you won't say it
Posted by SSD"
.......why marry when you are authorized to rape?.....
'The Qurayza Massacre
By the time the Banu Qurayza met their fate, Muhammad was wealthy and powerful from his defeat of the other two tribes.
The Jews of the Banu Qurayza tasted Muhammad's wrath after a portion half-heartedly sided with Meccan armies during a siege of Medina (the Battle of the Trench). More than likely, those who did were trying to preempt Muhammad's designs against them after seeing what he had done to the other Jews.
Although they later surrendered peacefully to the Muslims, Muhammad determined to have every man of the tribe executed, along with every boy that had reached the initial stages of puberty (between the ages of 12 and 14). He had a ditch dug outside of the town and had the victims brought in several groups. Each person would be forced to kneel, and their head would be cut off and then dumped along with the body into the trench.
Between 700 and 900 men and boys were slaughtered by the Muslims after their surrender.
The surviving children of the men became slaves of the Muslims, and their widows became the sex slaves of their own killers. This included the Jewish girl, Reihana, who became one of Muhammad's personal concubines the very night that her husband was killed. The prophet of Islam apparently "enjoyed her pleasures" (ie. raped her) even as the execution of her people was taking place.
Women were much like any other possession taken in battle, to be done with however their captors pleased. Muhammad ordered that a fifth be reserved for him, many of who became his sex slaves, in addition to his twelve wives. Some of these he doled out to others.
At one point following a battle, Muhammad provided instructions on how women should be raped after capture, telling his men not to worry about coitus interruptus, since "Allah has written whom he is going to create."
Following the battle against the Hunain, late in his life, Muhammad's men were reluctant to rape the captured women in front of their husbands (who were apparently still alive to witness the abomination), but Allah came to the rescue with a handy "revelation" that allowed this. (This is the origin of Sura 4:24 according to Abu Dawud 2150).'
Poor kid.
Unfortunately, that part of the world - YES - THAT PART! - is unevolved, retrograded, - because the Hindus in India do it too! It's against the law there, but the families do it secretly. Documentary filsm have been made of secret ceremonies at night in the countryside, where Hindu marriage ceremonies of toddlers are performed 3 y o girls w/ 6-7 y o little boys.
So it's not just the islamics.
For all I know, the buddhists in Nepal do it also.
And yes, in Nepal the people seel little girls to brothels.
And yes, slavery - child slavery still exists in India.
That part of the world is just as dangerous today, as it was in Nicholas Roerich's day.
This article was actually published in our city paper, I was a bit surprised, being that our state has some of the more vocal 'multiculturalists apologists'. Good...its about time,
people learned the truth about the evils of Islam because truth is,
this crap goes on and is condoned, in Every single Islamist country. But worse--these pedaphile arrangements are going on under the noses of laws against such,
right here in the West. And they are being protected by pedaphile supporters and apologists [esp within the left] and THATS WHAT NEEDS TO STOP.
And yes, child marriages do occur within some 'cultures' but not the EXTENT that they do in Islam nor with the warped justifications...even in India, child marriages are frowned upon, only in some castes and regions, are they practiced...
only in Islam is it acceptable to rape/sodomize an infant girl. Statitistics prove much more however,
in every Islamic country where child rape is prevalent, and marriage to a child, IS RAPE,
the mortality rates of women are very low. Most die in childbirth or are killed, via domestic violence or starvation after being tossed aside for another 'young piece of meat'. Ever wonder why you don't see a lot of 'older women' under those burkas?
Because they don't LIVE THAT LONG. Either they are killed, die with fistula [caused by sex at very young age] or they
torch themselves to death--in Afghanistan, girls are killing themselves at the ages of 12.
Great cult--this is what the apologists would force on us all, you have NO idea how many Leftists men AND women,
support this type of filth and violence towards girls. And forced marriages of girls, IS VIOLENT,
psychological as well as physical. The real horror, is that these marriages are not simply betrothings of toddlers and seven year olds,
in Islam, these girls are married off to grown MEN, on a daily basis.
I say, shoot them, rid the earth of them...I'm that Sick of them. They should not be allowed to breath the same air,
sick bastards.
This article was actually published in our city paper, I was a bit surprised, being that our state has some of the more vocal 'multiculturalists apologists'. Good...its about time,
people learned the truth about the evils of Islam because truth is,
this crap goes on and is condoned, in Every single Islamist country. But worse--these pedaphile arrangements are going on under the noses of laws against such,
right here in the West. And they are being protected by pedaphile supporters and apologists [esp within the left] and THATS WHAT NEEDS TO STOP.
And yes, child marriages do occur within some 'cultures' but not the EXTENT that they do in Islam nor with the warped justifications...even in India, child marriages are frowned upon, only in some castes and regions, are they practiced...
only in Islam is it acceptable to rape/sodomize an infant girl. Statitistics prove much more however,
in every Islamic country where child rape is prevalent, and marriage to a child, IS RAPE,
the mortality rates of women are very low. Most die in childbirth or are killed, via domestic violence or starvation after being tossed aside for another 'young piece of meat'. Ever wonder why you don't see a lot of 'older women' under those burkas?
Because they don't LIVE THAT LONG. Either they are killed, die with fistula [caused by sex at very young age] or they
torch themselves to death--in Afghanistan, girls are killing themselves at the ages of 12.
Great cult--this is what the apologists would force on us all, you have NO idea how many Leftists men AND women,
support this type of filth and violence towards girls. And forced marriages of girls, IS VIOLENT,
psychological as well as physical. The real horror, is that these marriages are not simply betrothings of toddlers and seven year olds,
in Islam, these girls are married off to grown MEN, on a daily basis.
I say, shoot them, rid the earth of them...I'm that Sick of them. They should not be allowed to breath the same air,
sick bastards.
allat same difference. The practice, and the sanctioner Mr. Perfect, still should be condemned. The practice is made further repulsive by Islamic people, because females are nothing more than baby factories in Islam.
"in Islam, these girls are married off to grown MEN, on a daily basis.
I say, shoot them, rid the earth of them...I'm that Sick of them. They should not be allowed to breath the same air," Natasha
Cool down Natasha. You know it's Satan's religion that's doing it. For those who don't know, Natasha has spoke at length about her abuse by Muslims.
You forget to mention they are also denied an education, and are forced to tolerate polygamy.
...they are also forced to wear ugly clothes, cannot listen to music, and they had better not get caught trying to get a real education....
Actually I would say I hate those who not only tolerate but are apologetic to the point they'll give over the masses to the cult of Islam more than the Islamists themselves,
because those who have been brainwashed under Islam since birth, I can at least understand [though detest and absolutely condemn] how their minds are so darkened,
its those, who have lived in somewhat relative free societies, who are working overtime to instill governments that would subject via violence and force [eventually] all of us, to live under such barbaric and medieval feudalist tyranny just so they can arrive at what 'They' believe is an anti-capitalist state central controlled economy,
its Those, that I hate with such a fervent passion, because I know, very well, the mentality, the manipulation, the strategy they are using, because I was, one of them...
its for That reason, I speak out when I can [time constraints], they are truly the 'real' danger, because its the political works of those strategists and enemies of freedom and decency, who have cleverly manuevered [sic] institutions of learning, government administrations and even the internet, the new media, to dupe the masses, particularly the young, into buying into the LIE that all cultures/beliefs are the same, hence they are not, or the big LIE that,
its poverty and capitalism that feeds into the beast of tyranny, thats only partially true. To me, they are far more dangerous because the minds of so many have been clouded with false guilt [post colonial, whether real and justified or not], false sense of duty to tolerate the intolerable, false sense of 'right'.
And realizing 'how' they've accomplished this, and that the only voices against such is the far right [of which I don't concur with all of them either and in ways they do more harm because just the mention of some names, turns people off to the point where they can't decipher true and valid points] but point being, what we are seeing in Europe is in fact, the outcome of these strategies that have been occuring for years. And we are seeing it in the U.S. as well....
Why it is So imperative that we have voices who are not what would be considered right wing, to speak out and be Very vocal, non hesitant, because we are in fact, being confronted with an evil today that just bears no explanation really, as to how any human being could be so unmoved by suffering caused to another human, but in Islam, not only is suffering inflicted not even flinched at, its celebrated.
Whats so disturbing is the increasing apathy and tolerance to such suffering, and cruelty. I will most definately come out and say, a lot of the root of the increase of apathy and tolerance to Islam and its barbaric means is in fact,
the increase and growing acceptance of anti-semitism and fascist romantizing. I've seen this working in the left/far left and I've seen this mentality surge within the past five years. I first became aware of it in college, way before 9-11, in courses including environmental courses...
however in my naivity and desire to be a 'progressive' thinker I like many, attempted to rationalize this mentality. It wasn't until actually being around Islam, being around Muslims in close proximity and around them when they are their true selves, did I begin to see the truth. I at that time, like many deceived believed the problem only to be those 'fanatics' or those who have 'hijacked', etc etc.,
but reading the Sharia, reading the Koran/Quran, actually 'seeing' with my own eyes the oppression of women here in the states within Muslim families [they oppress them here too, kid yourselves not, they just hide it under public scrutiny and that tragically, that scrutiny is not as prevalent or opened eyed as it should be] and hearing the comments made, the lies they use,
there is just no way unless one's mind is so made up to deliberately ignore the blatant disregard for human rights and just not giving a damn...that one cannot see there is something elementally distorted about Islam and its practictioners. Too often, the practices of Islam, such as this case of child marriage is shrugged off to 'culture' or 'a sect' or 'the few' when in actuality,
not only is it common, but the Depth of such barbaric and outright cruel behaviors and horrors that are inflicted upon thousands is beyond words. Used to be, I had hope that eventually people would come to their senses but the more I read, the more I'm just completely amazed at the apathy and indifference. And yes, I've come to a point where I have absolutely ZERO TOLERANCE
for Islam, or its practices, or in fact, the people who are pushing for worldwide Islam, Including those, who would sacrifice humanity in the goal of 'power' to the tyranny that Hitler himself would have held parades for. But what shocks me more, is the silence of Britain,
and the rest of Europe. But too, the silence of so many here, in the US, universities now forcing 'inclusion' but dare a university display a nativity scene?????
Maybe the problem is that too many really believe, that one day being forced to live under Sharia isn't a possibility or that the Muslims are not working to create a world under Islam, but I know, personally,
that this is EXACTLY WHAT THEIR INTENT IS, I've heard it, with my own ears. I heard about that years ago, among Muslims speaking, here in the United States--
two years before 9-11. Be not fooled people,
what Spencer and Hugh and all here say, is ABSOLUTE TRUTH. When you have Muslim women on You Tube, saying that Sharia respects women, and people Stupid enough, even the most mind numbing drone existence with all the media portrayals of the Realities of life in countries under Sharia, believing such Lies,
we have a serious problem. One thing gives me hope however, other than this site, and that is the campus Islamo-Fascism Awareness week,
and the asking feminists to speak up--Brilliant, and we need more of that. But not just from the right wing...we need people from the cental and the left, to stop being afraid, stop being hesitant, and stop pandering in fear to the accusations which are ludicrous in themselves, of racism and phobia...to speak up, speak out,
and be very viligant and determined and non-compromising. To those Muslims who are working on minds to dupe the innocents and unaware into thinking that Islam is not a religion of hate, I boldly tell you what you are,
Liars, of the worst kind. Your fruits speak otherwise, and for a lying dark heart woman to say Sharia respects women...remember, these are women, who do Nothing,
when their young daughters are sold like cattle, this is how COLD THEIR HEARTS ARE, [referring here only to the women who 'condone' and support, not those who due to having no choice and fear of their lives can not do anything, but to those, lying child abuse B's who in their mascara and whorish veils get on internet pushing their pedaphile religion]
a mother, doing nothing and even pronouncing such sick and horrible treatment is good, is beyond our help,
so shoot them, damn right. I just see no other way in dealing with these types of people...its how I feel and I have no issue in saying so. They are a cancer--something should have been done a century ago, this I think of any who would hurt a child,
but Islam, yes, I HATE THEM. I hate what they stand for, hate what they do, and if the world was to vomit them from existence,
I would shed, not one tear.
Tasha
Actually I would say I hate those who not only tolerate but are apologetic to the point they'll give over the masses to the cult of Islam more than the Islamists themselves,
because those who have been brainwashed under Islam since birth, I can at least understand [though detest and absolutely condemn] how their minds are so darkened,
its those, who have lived in somewhat relative free societies, who are working overtime to instill governments that would subject via violence and force [eventually] all of us, to live under such barbaric and medieval feudalist tyranny just so they can arrive at what 'They' believe is an anti-capitalist state central controlled economy,
its Those, that I hate with such a fervent passion, because I know, very well, the mentality, the manipulation, the strategy they are using, because I was, one of them...
its for That reason, I speak out when I can [time constraints], they are truly the 'real' danger, because its the political works of those strategists and enemies of freedom and decency, who have cleverly manuevered [sic] institutions of learning, government administrations and even the internet, the new media, to dupe the masses, particularly the young, into buying into the LIE that all cultures/beliefs are the same, hence they are not, or the big LIE that,
its poverty and capitalism that feeds into the beast of tyranny, thats only partially true. To me, they are far more dangerous because the minds of so many have been clouded with false guilt [post colonial, whether real and justified or not], false sense of duty to tolerate the intolerable, false sense of 'right'.
And realizing 'how' they've accomplished this, and that the only voices against such is the far right [of which I don't concur with all of them either and in ways they do more harm because just the mention of some names, turns people off to the point where they can't decipher true and valid points] but point being, what we are seeing in Europe is in fact, the outcome of these strategies that have been occuring for years. And we are seeing it in the U.S. as well....
Why it is So imperative that we have voices who are not what would be considered right wing, to speak out and be Very vocal, non hesitant, because we are in fact, being confronted with an evil today that just bears no explanation really, as to how any human being could be so unmoved by suffering caused to another human, but in Islam, not only is suffering inflicted not even flinched at, its celebrated.
Whats so disturbing is the increasing apathy and tolerance to such suffering, and cruelty. I will most definately come out and say, a lot of the root of the increase of apathy and tolerance to Islam and its barbaric means is in fact,
the increase and growing acceptance of anti-semitism and fascist romantizing. I've seen this working in the left/far left and I've seen this mentality surge within the past five years. I first became aware of it in college, way before 9-11, in courses including environmental courses...
however in my naivity and desire to be a 'progressive' thinker I like many, attempted to rationalize this mentality. It wasn't until actually being around Islam, being around Muslims in close proximity and around them when they are their true selves, did I begin to see the truth. I at that time, like many deceived believed the problem only to be those 'fanatics' or those who have 'hijacked', etc etc.,
but reading the Sharia, reading the Koran/Quran, actually 'seeing' with my own eyes the oppression of women here in the states within Muslim families [they oppress them here too, kid yourselves not, they just hide it under public scrutiny and that tragically, that scrutiny is not as prevalent or opened eyed as it should be] and hearing the comments made, the lies they use,
there is just no way unless one's mind is so made up to deliberately ignore the blatant disregard for human rights and just not giving a damn...that one cannot see there is something elementally distorted about Islam and its practictioners. Too often, the practices of Islam, such as this case of child marriage is shrugged off to 'culture' or 'a sect' or 'the few' when in actuality,
not only is it common, but the Depth of such barbaric and outright cruel behaviors and horrors that are inflicted upon thousands is beyond words. Used to be, I had hope that eventually people would come to their senses but the more I read, the more I'm just completely amazed at the apathy and indifference. And yes, I've come to a point where I have absolutely ZERO TOLERANCE
for Islam, or its practices, or in fact, the people who are pushing for worldwide Islam, Including those, who would sacrifice humanity in the goal of 'power' to the tyranny that Hitler himself would have held parades for. But what shocks me more, is the silence of Britain,
and the rest of Europe. But too, the silence of so many here, in the US, universities now forcing 'inclusion' but dare a university display a nativity scene?????
Maybe the problem is that too many really believe, that one day being forced to live under Sharia isn't a possibility or that the Muslims are not working to create a world under Islam, but I know, personally,
that this is EXACTLY WHAT THEIR INTENT IS, I've heard it, with my own ears. I heard about that years ago, among Muslims speaking, here in the United States--
two years before 9-11. Be not fooled people,
what Spencer and Hugh and all here say, is ABSOLUTE TRUTH. When you have Muslim women on You Tube, saying that Sharia respects women, and people Stupid enough, even the most mind numbing drone existence with all the media portrayals of the Realities of life in countries under Sharia, believing such Lies,
we have a serious problem. One thing gives me hope however, other than this site, and that is the campus Islamo-Fascism Awareness week,
and the asking feminists to speak up--Brilliant, and we need more of that. But not just from the right wing...we need people from the cental and the left, to stop being afraid, stop being hesitant, and stop pandering in fear to the accusations which are ludicrous in themselves, of racism and phobia...to speak up, speak out,
and be very viligant and determined and non-compromising. To those Muslims who are working on minds to dupe the innocents and unaware into thinking that Islam is not a religion of hate, I boldly tell you what you are,
Liars, of the worst kind. Your fruits speak otherwise, and for a lying dark heart woman to say Sharia respects women...remember, these are women, who do Nothing,
when their young daughters are sold like cattle, this is how COLD THEIR HEARTS ARE, [referring here only to the women who 'condone' and support, not those who due to having no choice and fear of their lives can not do anything, but to those, lying child abuse B's who in their mascara and whorish veils get on internet pushing their pedaphile religion]
a mother, doing nothing and even pronouncing such sick and horrible treatment is good, is beyond our help,
so shoot them, damn right. I just see no other way in dealing with these types of people...its how I feel and I have no issue in saying so. They are a cancer--something should have been done a century ago, this I think of any who would hurt a child,
but Islam, yes, I HATE THEM. I hate what they stand for, hate what they do, and if the world was to vomit them from existence,
I would shed, not one tear.
Tasha
"I'm not so sure that arranged marriages are intrinsically evil, or that they are per se incompatible with free consent of the would-be spouses. They might sometimes (okay, many times) be incompatible in practice, but certainly not in theory."
Lets explore this rationale, shall we...you say, that you aren't sure if arranged marriages are incompatible with free consent?
What part of Consent do you not understand, taking that logic, then, you could say, that sex with a small child, is not incompatible with free consent either. And not in theory????
So, taking That logic, well then, slavery wouldn't be really that bad in 'theory' either,
point is, this young girl, And the young boy, have had their lives Decided for them, they have not given 'consent' to anything. They are too young to fully understand the implications of this arranged marriage. Another fact and I heard this complaint believe it or not, by Muslim men, is that the number one reason for domestic violence and divorce in Islam is due to arranged marriages [same is true in India], men just as well as women are victims of such arrangements. BUT WITH ONE HUGE DIFFERENCE,
men are entitled to other women, women are not entitled to other men. Men can get out of these arrangements, women CAN NOT. Her life, is not her own, her body, her self, her thinking, is not her own. EVER.
She is strictly the property by SALE of the man she is sold to, or boy...but she is property. He decides, what to do with her, and dare she even complain. He, as well as his family, relatives, the community and STATE then has the right, legal and via religious statute, the right to violently force her to remain/or comply, even to Kill her.
In Nigeria, a young girl, age of 9, ran away from her arranged marriage, an old man in his sixties I believe, her punishment--her legs were cut off. Nine year old girl, forever with no legs, forever forced to be raped by this man [and rape, is sex forced on one without consent or under duress], forced to bear his children, forced to be his domestic SLAVE,
the rest of her miserable life. No child, has the capability to CONSENT TO THAT.
The men, often resent their 'purchased' wives and if they find them not attractive, the wives, the property, is treated with contempt, often violence. The girls are punished and are left to deal with the daily rejection and hate of a decision they had no part of, no choice in. Then, he marries another, that first wife, becomes then, not only a discarded 'hated' thing [thats If he chooses not to divorce her, if he does, she is then disgraced by her family, often times rejected by them],
but often, she is then, the slave of the second wife, etc. Often, she is not only beaten and raped and treated like dog doo doo by him, but hated and treated violently by the second and third wife. In impoverished areas its worse, because these girls and women are trapped, stuck, in a living hell, forever...death is their only, ONLY WAY OUT.
We speak of these things here as abstract, as theory, they are not theory, they are living breathing human beings that are forced to live in nightmarish hell that the only way to live without going completely mad is to find ways to rationalize and accept, the best they can...to resist in the little ways they can and they are few, very few.
Often times the only power these women ever find, and power meaning any self-determination, is to turn their abuse towards others, often times, their children, the other wives and their children, and on to each other. When denied education and access to any educational materials, their only existence being having babies and washing things, hard labor [usually], its not surprising then to see how many will go to the extreme lengths of eating rat poison [and though the countries will not give the statitistics these suicides are very high in parts of Asia/India/Afghanistan/Iran, etc among women]
or dousing themselves with gasoline and torching themselves to death, sadly many survive these immolations and live with their bodies 90 percent burned. [see RAWA for documented cases as well as graphic photos]
See the problem is, too many think that because these horrid practices occur that for some reason, these women and girls and children don't feel pain the way you and I do, the way westerners do...that is a fallacy in thinking...just because its culture or the way their 'civilization' [if one would even dare call it that, I won't, there is nothing civil about such horrid conditions these girls are forced to endure],
that somehow these humans don't feel things, THEY DO. They cry, they writhe, they suffer...
its the equivalent of saying, a woman suffering domestic violence here in the west, doesn't hate it, just because she doesn't leave, doesn't mean, she isn't hurting. This little girl in the photo doesn't even know, or understand what is going on, nor does the boy...one day, they will consumate the marriage and maybe, just maybe, small chance they will be happy,
but that is a small, minute chance. She will tolerate, she has no other choice but to do so, she will miserably go on about her existence, being his paid 'slave wife'.
I find that too many 'MEN' and its usually MEN who attempt to justify these horrid conditions do so with the thinking that women are nothing but objects anyway, that women are too stupid to know otherwise, but these women Do know...those who haven't rationalized and internalized misogyny to the point to supporting it, do know, and they daily live with the misery and longing, for death. I know, I've spoken and listened to them, women caught up in this hell...
their tears are real, their misery is real, and their lives, ARE LIVING HELL. I strongly suggest people to read the many blogs of women living under Islam, to read their pain,
these are not western women, they are women like this girl, who speak very vividly and candidly about what their lives are like...they are not HAPPY people. How could they be? How could any human being be happy under such conditions?
But I think, rather than attempt to move people to really understand why these so called 'auction block marriages' are so horrid, maybe, instead,
we should point out, the accomplishments that women have done, in societies where they are actually Free to choose, their destinies, and compare them, to the accomplishments of women in societies under Islam.
How many, Muslim women, have been famous doctors, scientists, politicians, professors, writers, artists, business women? In comparison, to women in free societies?
The numbers are staggering, and they speak volumes about the status of women, as well, as the status of whole societies. In all the societies where women and girls have such low status, there are indicators of how miserable these societies are,
disease is extremely high, infant mortality is some of the world's highest, illiteracy is high, crime is high, poverty, is in such high numbers that its off the charts, infrastructure is so backwards that it would take a decade to build them up to modern age, and that is the entire country, not just the cities,
the agriculture is behind, you can look at any indicator of development, or Civilization, and its apparent, societies, which are under Islam, esp under Sharia, where women and girls are lower than animals, sold and bartered like vegies on a flea market stand...literally,
and see, just how backwards and horrid the conditions of that entire society is. Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, and yes, Oman, United Emrates, Saudi, even with the masses of oil wealth, the conditions most live under,
is far more backwards than the most primitive of areas. what is even more tragic, is how they are so violent in their hanging on and pushing Sharia and feudalist communities that they'll even starve their own to do so. Point being, these backward medieval mentalities and practices are totally incompatible with progress, and by progress I mean, decent progress [not all progress is good in other words] but good progress,
if you want a world ridden with disease, poverty to the point where there is no light ever, slavery, high infant mortality, unhealthy living conditions and squalor [poor water quality, pollution, famine, etc], high child deaths,
keep 'excusing and tolerating medieval beliefs'. Human development was not intended to go backwards to cave man living...
but in every country where Sharia is law and Islam is the rule--thats exactly the level of human development they arrive at,
cave man. To the point, where they literally drive themselves to extinction. Seriously, take Afghanistan,
the poorest nation in the world [before 9-11], and it can't just be blamed on colonialism or war. This, this is what they would drag the entire world into...even in Iran and Saudi, where there is HOARDED WEALTH that makes the most corrupt capitalist in the west look fair--
the depth of impoverishment and squalor in rural areas is just beyond description. Especially conditions women and children are forced to endure. Why they have to have, literally children having children, its the ONLY way, they have survived as a people, continual population at high/fast rates...if not for that, they would be obliterated from the earth due to their backwardness.
And why, they fight to the death to oppose western civilization, you see its not just the oppression of women, its the entire feudalist/slavery type of medieval belief/infrastructure that Islam demands to survive...12th century thinking and living. Its laughable really, for so called progressives and leftists to embrace Islam and the anti-West civilization and to actually be dumb enough to think,
Marxism could thrive in such a barbaric and backwards ass world. It won't, they are incompatible more so than capitalism and Islam are. If we are going to embrace these practices, why not then, embrace kings and monarchies too, nobility and peasantry? Might as well,
because thats exactly the type of world we'd be creating...we could go back to thinking disease is only of the devil and that medicine is evil, that modernization is evil and that there is a divine lot, some who are meant to rule, the rest as slaves. That children who are cross eyed are satanic and we could burn them to the stakes, women too, by the thousands,
and men could just walk with their knuckles dragging the ground. Do we Really want to go, that far back?
Believe it or not, the majority of Muslims, do, want to go back, just to that. And they would, and they will--why in 2007,
we see, three year old girls, being sold like cows, to seven year old boys. Civilization--no, thats not civilization, thats something from the 12th century, that is being pushed around the world,
so why then, if we are going to rationalize it via 'theory', then why not rationalize the entire 12th century and go back, to living in the dark ages? Throw in a couple of plagues in there and hell, the Islamists would be thrilled, I could see it now. [and Marx, seriously, would be rolling in his grave at the complete stupidity of leftists today...the dialectic was supposed to go forward, beyond cave man development, not Towards Neandrathal existence.
Very good Natasha. That is real testimony on Islam
Natasha yes:
"its the political works of those strategists and enemies of freedom and decency, who have cleverly manuevered [sic] institutions of learning, government administrations and even the internet, the new media, to dupe the masses, particularly the young, into buying into the LIE that all cultures/beliefs are the same, hence they are not, or the big LIE that,
its poverty and capitalism that feeds into the beast of tyranny, thats only partially true." [capitalism can produce a different tyranny altogether, but a much more tolerable one]
"the minds of so many have been clouded with false guilt, false sense of duty to tolerate the intolerable, false sense of 'right'"
"[what] we are seeing in Europe is in fact, the outcome of these strategies that have been occuring for years" [since from around the 1960s]
"we are in fact, being confronted with an evil today that just bears no explanation really, as to how any human being could be so unmoved by suffering caused to another human, but in Islam, not only is suffering inflicted not even flinched at, its celebrated."
"actually 'seeing' with my own eyes the oppression of women here in the states within Muslim families and hearing the comments made, the lies they use, there is just no way unless one's mind is so made up to deliberately ignore the blatant disregard for human rights and just not giving a damn...that one cannot see there is something elementally distorted about Islam and its practictioners. Too often, the practices of Islam, such as this case of child marriage is shrugged off to 'culture' or 'a sect' or 'the few'"
"I've come to a point where I have absolutely ZERO TOLERANCE for Islam, or its practices, or in fact, the people who are pushing for worldwide Islam"
"so many here, in the US, universities now forcing 'inclusion' but dare a university display a nativity scene?????"
"Maybe the problem is that too many really believe ... that the Muslims are not working to create a world under Islam, but I know, personally, that this is EXACTLY WHAT THEIR INTENT IS, I've heard it, with my own ears. I heard about that years ago, among Muslims speaking, here in the United States--two years before 9-11. Be not fooled people"
"we need people from the cental and the left...to speak up, speak out, and be very viligant and determined and non-compromising."
"these are [Muslim] women, who do Nothing, when their young daughters are sold like cattle, this is how COLD THEIR HEARTS ARE" [and they accept these over their heads: being beaten and abused, being given half worth as men, and being nothing more than an asset]
Sharia Court Endorses Abduction of Christian Girls... (or baby factories)
http://www.aina.org/news/20071014202949.htm
Natasha, thank you for your impassioned posts! I agree that the horrible abuses of people under Islam are not issues only for the political right or left.
They are human rights issues, at their most fundamental.
The existance and spread of Shari'ah that make the abuse and future misery of this little girl inevitable should be fought by every person who possesses a sense of decency.