"Muslim Tories: 'Iran has right to nuclear arms'," by Andrew Porter for The Telegraph:
A body set up by David Cameron to advise the Conservatives on Muslim issues has criticised the Government's relationship with Israel and concluded that Iran has "legitimate" reasons for wanting nuclear weapons.
The Conservative Muslim Forum also wants the compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".
Human rights and equality commission chair Trevor Phillips recently proposed a similar idea. But the list goes on:
It also argues that preachers who advocate a rejection of democracy and its institutions should not be denied entry into Britain.
The findings are in a response to this summer's report by the Tory National and International Security Policy Group chaired by new adviser, Dame Pauline Neville-Jones.
But the way it addresses certain key issues — completely at odds with Tory policy — will embarrass Mr Cameron. Its comments on Israel, in particular, will be seized on.
The report says: "Regardless of whether one finds Israel a congenial country or not, on any objective assessment of the type of unqualified support given to Israel by the current government it is not conducive to British national interests as this could damage Britain's relationships with 15 billion Muslims worldwide, including those in Britain."
Surely they and/or the Telegraph meant 1.5 billion, though even that is debatable. Still, given Muslim activists' penchant for inflating their numbers, there's something rather amusing about that typo.
15 billion Moslems out there?
Well there are 100 billion Christians!
Childish prank no doubt, but effective. :)
As Melanie Philipps noted:
From this, we must infer that these mainstream British Muslims want the Conservative party to agree with them that Israel’s very existence should no longer be supported. They do not believe that Jews have a right to their homeland in Israel; they do not believe that Israel has the right to exist; they do not believe that Israel has the right to defend itself; they do not believe that Israel should have peace within secure borders and real guarantees about its future.
These are not moderate attitudes. They are vile.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1688
Britain is a country in decay, how on earth did the english people allow their country to become so steeped in political correctness, and how in hades did they ever allow multiculturalism to take effect like a cancer I will never understand.
As far as I can see Britain is now relegated to a country with mediocre ambitions, a pox on multiculturalism.
"...'legitimate' reasons for wanting nuclear weapons..."
Killing lots of infidels, fast, for one.
Killing fellow takfir Muslims, for another.
Lots of "legitimate" reasons.
There are 6 billion people in the world. Of these, 15 billion are Muslim.
Great job these Muslims did with that 'Arabic' number system they invented ;-)
ARF Infidel Pride
...right to nuclear weapons heh?
They may not be aware that a nuclear power has the obligation to target the non-friendly nuclear powers launch capability. Having nukes officialy puts them in the ICBM target list. Not bad...
This is what Dhimmi Dave gets for getting on his knees to kis the arse of islam.
THe man is a fool.
One of his first trips abroad was to India, these islamists have India on their "To Do" list.
How does he think that will go down ?
Did Syeda Warsi not refer to moslem terrorists in Kashmir and to hamas as "freedom fighters"
The Pretend leader of the conservatives need to remember the advise of Will Cummins.
The Tories must confront Islam instead of kowtowing to it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/07/18/do1802.xml
Dave the Boy is doing a Tony Blair, he is trying to be all things to all men.
Foolish idiot that he is.
Not until the muslim earnestly renounce an inherent muslim right to murder infidels. Mohammed's message of how to serve man is a cook book!
Islam has grown so fast there are more Muslims than people.
Yet these same Muslims want to bring down the civilization they claim had a "massive" Islamic influence.
Nonsense. The only "influence" Islam had on the Western civilized world was in trying to destroy it.
When Euro-nations became too powerful for the camel riders, Europe subdued them easily. Heck, even the Turkish Muslims had the Arabs under their thumb.
The Western Civilized world owes nothing to Islam or the Qur'an.
The nations who do owe a lot of their culture to Islam and the Qur'an are among the most despote, desolate, poor and under-developed nations on the planet.
Human rights in Muslims nations is a joke, EVEN among Muslims (Shias vs Sunnis)
The Conservative Muslim Forum also wants the compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".
That should take at least one sentence in the history books.
The Conservative Muslim Forum also wants the compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".
Contribution?
"full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation"
"preachers who advocate a rejection of democracy and its institutions should not be denied entry into Britain"
This is satire, right? A Monty Python skit, right?
What, no? This is a real position form a real committee?
Those are two of the absolute stupidest statements to ever come out of those soon to be Muslim islands off the coast of Normandy.
Who is David Cameron anyway. I don't know but he belongs in the Broadmoor Insane Asylum*, he is obviously a danger to himself and others.
*Broadmoor may no longer exist, but it sounds like a good place for people like him.
"That should take at least one sentence in the history books."
Hells bells, there aren't enough contributions to justify one commemorative stamp.
An oldie, but always applicable:
What Arab Civilization?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1601183/posts
What does appeasement get you?
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=151165&page=4
The Conservative Muslim Forum also wants the compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution bombings, murders, oppression, etc. that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".
Hmmm "strike feature" doesn't work.
Interestinconundrum, we should try to coin a new word: Chamberlainism. Meaning - continued appeasement hoping that the enemy will be happy with the current gifts and not want anything more.
See also, suicide.
headline will one day read "UK muslims have right to nuclear arms".
Loyalty
As Melanie Philipps noted:
"From this, we must infer that these mainstream British Muslims want the Conservative party to agree with them that Israel’s very existence should no longer be supported. They do not believe that Jews have a right to their homeland in Israel; they do not believe that Israel has the right to exist; they do not believe that Israel has the right to defend itself; they do not believe that Israel should have peace within secure borders and real guarantees about its future.
These are not moderate attitudes. They are vile."
Sorry, Melanie, these attitudes are vile, but in Muslimistan they are also moderate.
If the Government of the UK officially admits that jihadists (in Itan as in Pakiatan) have a right to have nukes, then watch out when the Tory imams move out of London.
>The Conservative Muslim Forum also wants the compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".
Really? Exactly what contributions to Western Civilization has Islam made? They tried (and are still trying) to destroy Western Civilization, and replace it with Sharia law. And they have stolen pretty much everything that they have then brought to the table.
I guess the one thing we can thank Islam for is the discovery and subsequent Westernization of the New World. When the Spanish were finally able to dislodge the Muslims from Spain after a 700-year reconquest of their own land, the Spanish then continued their "reconquista" toward the West. If not for this, perhaps Christopher Columbus would never have discovered America. And if the Muslims hadn't occupied Spain in the first place, the Spanish probably would never have looked westward after taking back their country.
>preachers who advocate a rejection of democracy and its institutions should not be denied entry into Britain
Why not? We need to stand up for Western Civilization, the greatest civilization ever in world history (except, perhaps, ancient Israel). "Rejection of democracy and its institutions" is another way of saying "Sharia Law". In other words, elimination of individual rights and freedoms.
> Iran appears to have legitimate reasons for seeking nuclear weapons for defensive purposes
Wrong. They're for OFFENSIVE purposes. That's the whole point of objecting to their having them.
Come to think of it, one should point out to these Muslims (who are more than likely Sunnis) that Iran is a Shia nation, and Shias are killing Sunnis in Iraq. Pictures should be very helpful to put a wedge in that organization of Muslims.
Oh, and ask those Muslims what would they think if Iraq used their nuclear power against Sunni nations
15 BILLION Muslims? Does this include all the ones who've died in the last 1400 years and all those that will die in the next 5000 years as well as all those alive right now?
That sentence alone shows why we're all doomed to disaster-Western "leaders" have no clue at all what
they're dealing with. If they can't even get a number right then how the hell are they to combat such a menace?
And saying that Iran should have nukes isn't exactly an intelligent statement either. Sheesh!
> Islam has grown so fast there are more Muslims than people.
Posted by: sceptico at October 20, 2007 8:13 AM
Radical Muslims aren't people; they are a lower form of life. Somehow, when someone takes the oath to be a radical Muslim, his soul, his humanity, somehow leaves his body.
That's why radical Muslims do such despicable things, such as kill everyone they disagree with.
It's a lot like Nazi Germany. When a German was in the German military, he was bad, but he perhaps wasn't totally evil. However, if he joined the SS or the Gestapo, he signed his soul over to the devil, and hence did devilish things. "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do."
It's the same with Radical Muslims. They have signed their soul over to the devil, hence they do devilish things. They are of their father the devil, and the lusts of their father they will do.
Oh yes, and Iran has a right to pass off nuclear weapons or highly enriched uranium to all the homicidal "charities" Iran works with too, I guess. And Iran probably has a right to train those "charity" groups to smuggle HEU into the U.S. and build simple Hiroshima type nukes there and transport them into various American cities without interference -- of course. And the right to detonate one and kill 100,000 people and then threaten to detonate the others if the U.S. doesn't do as ordered by the mullahs. And no doubt Iran also has a right to bring about the chaos on earth that Ahmadinejad believes will hasten the return of his beloved Mahdi.
Yes, and maybe non-Muslims have some rights too: like the right to send the Iranian government straight back to the hell it came from, I hope very soon, and very thoroughly.
''and no doubt Iran also has a right to bring about the chaos on earth that Ahmadinejad believes will hasten the return of his beloved Mahdi.''
And Teheran will look good as a sheet of glass at the first sign of them lighting the blue touch paper.
Conservative / Radical...it's all the same.
"Conservative Muslims" my ass....supporting Iran towards nuclear weapons is hardly a conservative stance -- sounds pretty radical if you ask me.
A leopard cannot change his spots, so stop with the "Conservative Muslim" BS. Radical Muslim is a way better fit.
hey, i've just realised. since that muslim letter to all the christian heads and leaders of the west which called for greater understanding of islam. surely when the muslims stated that we all worship the same god, what's their problem? if we all worship the same god then why try and convert us?
this is less about religion and more about an idealology, stemming from saudi arabia, this is cultural imperialism.
why have the once right wing conservatives sold out the UK?
tony blair is a staunch left winger and yesterday he came out against islam, stating it we are back to the 1930's.
what a topsy turvy world.
Ah, champ, but here's the $64,000 question:
Doesn't conservative Muslim equal radical Muslim?
After all, if Muhammad himself was a radical -- i.e., an extremist in favor of global Islamic theocracy -- then true Muslim conservatives would be radicals.
The Qur'an, hadith and sira show Muhammad was a radical in that sense.
Exactly, traeh! :-)
>that muslim letter to all the christian heads and leaders of the west which called for greater understanding of islam
The problem is, when we do study Islam, and see how evil and devilish it is, they get mad at us, and they get their feelings hurt.
Which is it: do you want us to study and understand Islam, or not?
Muslim Tories?
Mohammedanism is, among other things, a religion that attaches a rather low level to human life and is distinctly breezy about the need to be open and truthful when dealing with infidels. The thought that people who adhere to this faith have any input at all into the legislative process of the UK makes me feel queasy.
Effectively life in this country has become cheaper, public discourse more corrupt. When the Labour MP Shahid Malik puts on his most sincere voice, as he did on the radio a few weeks ago, and says that his only ambition is to further the interests of the British people, you ask yourself: what did he mean by that? why did he word it like that?
Its well known that Sayeda Warsi talks the language of equality and tolerance in public forums and then denounces homosexuality as an abomination when speaking Urdu to her fellow Muslims.
As for Lord Ahmed, his statement that Salman Rushdie had blood on his hands and (to a French journalist) that knighting him was like the Taliban giving an award to the 'martyrs of 9/11':
Labour have had to sideline him as non compos mentis.
should have read "rather low value" in first line above - sorry
15 billion Muslims worldwide
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Uhhh... I think there some dead people being counted there! ..And some soon to be dead... ...and some couple of Earth's too... Are they counting the 2nd dimension Earth too?
You don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
You don’t attack a F/A-18 with a biplane.
And you don’t bring a 15-kiloton fission bomb to a fight with big boys.
My theory is that Russia is enabling Iran with the hope that, when the smoke clears (and the background levels fall below 50mrem/hr), they will finally have that warm water port.
The leaders of Britain are obviously suicidal. They seem to absolutely love and adore islam and muslims and spend most of their time looking for ways to empower, appease, and cater to them, with no regard whatsoever for the indigenous British people. Looking at this situation from afar, I get the distinct impression that the ruling elite in Britain are fixated on islam, not as a threat but as an asset. They actually seem to be mesmerized by islam and are prepared to hand muslims the country on a silver platter. There simply isn't any other explanation for their insane policies. It's almost as if they were being blackmailed or something equally sinister.
compulsory history curriculum in schools changed to give "full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation".what contribution but rape murder ant theft justified in mohamads and allahs name
Beware. Little Green Footballs has some good posts to sources, but the people who comment are not necessarily interested in how to counter Jihad.
Radical Muslims aren't people...
Boy you got that right. Radical Moslems aren't people cuz radical Moslems don't exist.
However, there are three things that do exist: non-observant Moslems, observant Moslems who are not activist, and observant activist Moslems who by self-definition are Jihadist warriors.
All observant Moslems are radical. All activist Moslems are terrorists.
It follows, then, that all observant inactive Moslems tacitly support their activist brethern, by way of their moral and financial support, and very often by their tacit support and, lowest of all, by their tacit and pseudo-religious support.
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By calling Moslem activists radical you doing a Bill O'Reilly/Tim Russert and endorsing terrorists.
By calling d
Every time I see the words "Lord Ahmed", I shudder.
Perhaps Lord Muhammad or Lord Abd Allah sound better? :-)
There's a useful analysis of the nature of the Muslim presence in the UK given by Patrick Sookhdeo in a recorded discussion with Pamela Geller, at
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/files/Sookhdeo.mp3
His prediction that there will be neighbourhoods from which dogs will be banned would, if correct, mean a spectacular PR own-goal by the Mohammedan community regarding British public opinion.
I hoped that the conservatives would bring us back to a sensible way of thinking. All they seem to be doing is following the labour way of thinking. I thought the tories were for Britishness, but they're not. Britishness is seen as racist and that's what the tories are latching on to. I really wanted a different government but I won't get it with the tories.
My country is being destroyed.
We are becoming a marxist state. Don't kid yourselves that this is not happening. Our government want to impose their 60's ideals on us.
The tories will follow the same line to gain power.
We are lost,our counry is lost, marxism is the basis of the EU. Only America can force our government to turn away from this.
America, listen to me, force my country to impose democracy. Only you can do this. We are being turned into a marxist state. The EU is nothing more than an attempt to turn europe into a superpower that can oppose the US.
I have grown up with america as THE superpower, that works for me, we get on, you kicked our ass when we tried to impose our rule on you, and that was right and proper. I LIKE the US as THE superpower. You do great things. You don't try and impose your will on us (mostly). But, be aware that when we are part of the EU they will try and impose their will on you.
When that happens I would like to come and live in the US, I will denounce my British citizenship and fight against this contry in the same way that I would have fought against the Nazis.
Let me clear something up. This forum is about islamic "fundamentalism". When our government succeeds in destroying out national identity there will be a power vacuum, Islamic "fundamentalism" will fill that vacuum. It will happen.
"U.K.: Muslim Tories say Iran has "right" to nuclear arms"
...do they mean the nuclear arms that Ahmadinejad keeps insisting he has no need for...after all, Ahmadinejad says his nuclear facilities are for electricity....
....after all doesn't everyone build nuclear power plants in deep underground bomb resistant bunkers....
DaveMate wrote:
"America, listen to me, force my country to impose democracy. Only you can do this. We are being turned into a marxist state. The EU is nothing more than an attempt to turn europe into a superpower that can oppose the US."
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Dave, you had better pray that the next US president is not John Edwards or one of his ilk. Mr. Edwards likes to say that "the War on Terror is nothing but a bumper sticker". He has proposed freeing all Guantanamo prisoners AND making it legal for them to sue the US government for violation of their "civil rights".
John Edwards made his millions as a trial lawyer. His proposal would be a windfall for the trial lawyers of the USA.
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CT Yank
"full recognition to the massive contribution that Islam has made to the development of Western civilisation"
Islam has certainly inspired Western civilization to make better weapons and improve tactics as a means of protecting itself... a continuing process, even today.
Also, watching the machinations and customs of Islam gives us the perspective to understand how far Western civilization has progressed. In this way Islam may yet contribute to Western civilization as a sort of "yardstick of the primitive".
Other than these few areas, I'd have to say that Islam and Muslims as contributors to civilization over the last thousand years have been an outstandingly parasitic waste of protoplasm.