Abbas slammed as "traitor" at anti-Annapolis rallies

Why are they all upset for? Idiot Olmert will be the one making concessions. Greedy little bastards, aren't they?

Is there something in the water at the State Dept (and The White House) building in Washington, DC or in the food served in the cafeterias that once consumed causes an otherwise rational person to become all obsessed with solving the "Palestinian" conflict?

Greedy little bastards they are who deserve nothing more than oblivion.

No doubt Bush & Condi will point out the 'magnamity' of Abbas for even coming to the negotiation table; thereby pushing Olmert to make even further more ridiculous concessions than he already has. This is nothing but collective suicide by the Dhimmi West. Today Israel is being tied on the stake to appease the muslims, tomorrow it will be Europe and USA.

GAZA (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Palestinians joined anti-Annapolis rallies in Gaza and the West Bank on Tuesday, chanting "Death to Israel" and calling President Mahmoud Abbas a traitor for attending the peace talks.

Well, there go's the neighborhood. A solid basis for the Annapolis gauntlet to proceed on. A great reason to give them their own state as well. It should be blatantly obvious that these 'Palestinians' don't want peace, they want 'death to Israel'. Of course, Bush will over look this, and insist on two states anyway. Giving them their own state won't stop attacks on Israel, any more than withdrawing our troops from Iraq will stop attacks on the US.
You know that, I know that, we all know that together...How come Bush does not know that?
He and Rice have been left out of the loop.
Allah did that...watch how his plan unfolds...
Another book idea, 'Sucking Up To Evil', or , How Bush/Rice got 'stuck on stupid', while Allah laughs'.

Funny, I was thinking that Olmert and Bush were the tratiors.

I wonder if they are serving George W's favorite, pork rinds, as a snack during those hectic peace making breakout meetings?

Rarely has so much been done for so few who deserve so little as the palestinians in regard to giving them their own country.

Abbas -- Abu Mazen -- has no power to commit anyone to anything --- that is, no power to commit anyone on the Arab side. But Bush and Rice have set things up, in this ill-thought out attempt to come up with something, anything, that might be considered a "diplomatic victory in the Middle East" (given the obvious failure to deal adequately with the world-wide Jihad, and the obvious squandering of men, money, materiel, morale and attention in Tarbaby Iraq)so that Abbas' mere appearance at this Annapolis farce, happily of short duration, will commit Israel, commit Israel yet again, publicly, in the form of the speeches and public commitments made by hopelessly maladroit, terminally weak, and quite possibly corrupt prime minister, to the very idea not only of the "Palestinian people" (an idea that has to be undone, not further ratified for the nth time, by some idiotic Israeli unaware of how that clever construct prevents the recognition of the Lesser Jihad against Israel) but of the idea not only of a "solution" to that Lesser Jihad. And still worse, that this claimed "solution" is what Rice repeatedly calls (echoes of Indyk, the self-assured platutitunous dead-wrong "everyone-agrees-that-there-are-four-core-issues" Aaron Miller, along with every hass and ross and tinpot shuttle-diplomat whose entire career has been spent engaged in some phony "peace process" that continues to ignroe The Real Core Issue: Islam, and the refusal, by Muslims, properly following the texts and tenets of Islam, to countenance the permanent existence of an Infidel state, whatever its size, on land once ruled by Muslims, land and, what's more, on land that is smack in the middle of Dar al-Islam.

There is NO "solution" none, to the Arab Muslim opposition to Israel's existence. Any further surrenders by the Israelis will only whet, not sate, Arab and Muslim appetites. The Western world, and that includes Rice and Bush and so on, attributes a desire to compromise on the part of the Muslim Arabs, a genuine ability to accept, and accept forever, the existence of Israel. No, it is not possible. Even if a handful of unrepresentative plausible Muslims, and I do not mean the Slow Jihadists of Fatah, who differ from the Fast Jihadists of Hamas only in matters of timing and tactics, not in ultimate goals, were actually to say they could countenance an Israel reduced in size and power, why should Israel entrust its fate to what they think, or think they think? Do they speak, can they speak, for the primitive Muslim masses, any more than Ahmad Chalabi could speak for the "Iraqi people"? Policy has to be made on a basis other than that of this or that plausible smiler, saying exactly what he thinks, at a minimum, must be said to please his powerful Infidel hosts or interlocutors. But those who have studied Islam, studied the behavior,over many decades, of the Arabs, know perfectly well -- unless those students are apologists for Islam, collaborators with Muslims, out of conviction or cupidity (or sometimtes both), or possibly areantisemites (or sometimes both), know perfectly well that the Arabs have no intention of recognziing Israel. Ask the defectors from that world. Ask Wafa Sultan. Ask Nonie Darwish. Ask Walid Shoebat. They know.

No there is not a "solution." There is one way to prevent open warfare. It is to create, and maintain, a situation in which Israel is not only vastly more powerful militarily, but is widely understood in the Arab and Muslim world to be so, which allows Arab leaders the excuse of not going to war based on their invocation of the concept of Darura, or Necessity. That, and that alone, can justify, in the minds of the Muslim masses, a failure to take military action against Israel. Moral arguments are not relevant.

And so the Lesser Jihad must be held in check, and it can be held in check, but only if egregious meddlers from outside, eager to score points -- and the Arab war on Israel, blandly miscalled the "Palestinian-Israel" conflict has become a Theme Park, where failed politicians such as Blair, or failing Administrations, such as that of Bush, in its last throes, decides to win some temporary fame and respite from criticism through doing the only thing it apparently knows how to do: Work On The Peace Process Between Israel And The "Palestinians." Come one, come all -- let's all go to the Middle East, or shuttle back on forth, or invite everyone here to Annapolis, to "jump-start" the "peace process" yet again, and "get things back on track" and deal with those "four core issues that Aaron Miller and everyone else in the know just knows, because you see otherwise they wouldn't be in the know, would they, are the only Core Issues that exist, when those "core issues are in fact mere epiphenomena, 0on the vast substratum that is Islam, Islam, Islam.

There is no need to "make peace" between Israel and its mortal enemies. The peace is kept, now, by the strernght of the IDF, and the control Israel still has over invasion routes, over aquifers, and over a tiny bit of strategic depth -- scarcely visible, and nothing like what the Sinai was, but still something -- in the heights of Judea. There is "peace." It will last not because of treaties with Arab Muslims, but despite treaties, and only if no more of those idiotic surrender-"truce" treaties are signed, or even discussed.

The Lesser Jihad against Israel cannot be solved, any more than the Greater Jihad against the larger Infidel world can be solved. It can be contained, it can be managed, it can be reduced to much more manageable proportions. That is a different thing. The entire Infidel world, similarly, must come to realize it need not either appease Muslims within or without Infidel nation-states, but also need not invade them -- they need only inform themselves as to the nature and menace of Islam, and to work against not only terrorism, but against all the less obviously alarming, but far more effective instruments of Jihad, which include the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and what appears to be inexorable demographic conquest within the Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels, especially in Western Europe.

The Arab Muslims will commmit to nothing. And even if they were to commit, Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) has no power to get anyone to follow him. And even if he did have the power to convince even a few on the "West Bank" (known as Judea and Samaria to Jesus, and to every inhabitant of the Western world up to 1949, when Jordan renamed it) to follow him, in pretending to briefly adhere to whatever he pretended to commit the "Palestinian" Authority or nascent "Palestinian" state to, it could and would be breached at the first opportunity. It would not be done, possibly, with the same openness as Arafat, who just a few weeks after the signing of the Oslo Accords wastelling an audience of Muslims in South Africa that he would do as Muhamamd did with the Meccans in that "treaty" of Hudaibiyya. No, the current-account flaunters of that meek-mild-quiet-accountant aspect, those "technocrats" who, of course, are the perfect outward facade of the continuing and of course endless siege of Israel, whatever its size, have other ways to slowly undo whatever trivial commitments they may make.

It is Israel that always and everywhere has scrupulously, meticulously, fulfilled its commitments. It is Israel that is always being asked to give up, and does give, tangible assets -- land, oilfields, airbases, potentially control of aquifers, historic sites, and so on -- and also gives up, allows to be forgotten or whittled away or attacked endlessly without any response, the legal, historic, and moral rights of the Jews to the Land of Israel -- rights that begin, but do not end, with the precise terms, and the exact intention, of the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine, and further supported by the rights of a country that has won territory in a defensive war. Not to mention, of course, the in-gathering of Jews from all over the Middle East, where they had lived in various states of wretchedness, under Muslim rule, as dhimmis, ranging from the horrors of slavery in Yemen, to conditions made better by the existence of large non-Muslim communities and the pressure and preseence of a European power, as in North Africa under the French, or in Iraq, even for a while after the British left, and in Egypt under the ancien regime, the regime of Farouk, and La Gazette de Caire, and the syces outside Shepheard's Hotel, and the Alliance Israelite, and the Yacoubian Building, of late-blooming cinematic fame.

Every politician is so greedy to get their name on a 'Middle East Peace Agreement' that they miss the point.....the muslims do not want peace.

Muslims want 'pieces' of geography, one piece at a time.

Why are sovereign nations negotiating away land?

How are leaders of these nations proceeding with 'powers' that are not with in their authority?

I believe, and someone check me on this, but unless the citizens vote on land give-away it is illegal and can/should be stopped in a court of law of that country.

Can a leader of a nation give away ALL of the land of a country and still be called a people or a nation? It is up to the people to vote.

It is high time the US and Israel told the truth. Islam is a disease and we have the cure. While they all lie and pretend filthy muslims laugh and plan murder. Bush needs to tell America that we will suffer short term with gas spiking. Then all will settle as the US and UK assume ownership of the arab states. Everyone will be free. If needed for example turn Iran into a nice mirrored parking lot.
We can end child sexual abuse, rape, murder in the muslim world by banning this disease. Face to face muslims are afraid of everything.

Am I the only one who will miss Arafart?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgU9pzItmBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a4hozaPKo4&mode=related&search=

"Islam is a disease and we have the cure."
-- from a most intemperate posting above

Nonsense.

We can hardly immunize ourselves, even though such immunizations require nothing more than some study of the relevant texts and tenets of Islam, a little consideration of what happens to minds on Islam, a little autodidactism, to brush up on the 1350-year history of Islamic conquest of non-Muslim lands and subjugation of non-Muslim peoples.

We can immunize ourselves, and then, by demonstrating on every occasion that we can not be fooled, that we at least recognize the nature, and menace, of Islam, and also are capable of making the connection between the political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures of Islamic states and societies, and Islam itself, may force a growing number of Muslims, especially among the non-Arabs, to recognize the same thing themselves. For the evidence is there, and cannot, in the end, be denied.

That is not a "cure" for Islam. But it is also more than a mere palliative. It makes the situation for all of us more manageable.

Let the record speaketh on Moslem honesty

The Arab Moslims will commmit to nothing. And even if they were to commit...
-- from a poster above

* 2:61 * 2:64 * 2:96 * 4:41 * 4:47 * 4:55 * 4:160 * 5:13 * 5:41 * 5:59 * 17:7 * 59:2 * 88:1 *

Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.
-- God talking about himself in the 3rd person (again) in Koran 9:3

The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath."
-- Mohammed babbling on about was treachery in Bukhari Vol 7 Bk 67 Nbr 427

Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.
-- 3rd person Allah commanding Moslems to break contracts in Koran 66:2

Mohammed said, "War is deceit."
-- Mo blabbing on about what a crook he was in Bukhari Vol 4 Bk 52 No 268

Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."
-- 3rd person Allah making excuses for his dishonesty and whining in Koran 4:142

"Abbas slammed as "traitor" at anti-Annapolis rallies"

Looks like the artifice is working perfectly.
;-)

VIDEO

The new Intifada in France - more violent than 2005 riots

http://leblogdrzz.over-blog.com/article-14154353.html

...and forces iran to counter...because they HAVE to, or lose face in a big way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071127/wl_mideast_afp/mideastdiplomacyiran
...excellent...right on schedule as expected.

Ya mean just like they are in France, which is THE REAL reason for the rioting in the first place?
Hey...makes sense. kudos.

"Tens of thousands of Palestinians joined anti-Annapolis rallies in Gaza and the West Bank on Tuesday, chanting "Death to Israel" and calling President Mahmoud Abbas a traitor for attending the peace talks."

But Israel is not ready for total peace? (another article) How do the Palestinians define "peace" if anyone who seeks it is viewed as a traitor? The peace of the dead, maybe?

That's it! Israel will be at peace only in the dustbin of history. Problem is, the Muslims won't be at peace even in that eventuality. Once Israel is gone, then it's on to the next target. What else does GWB think will come from this? Is this the legacy he wants?

When will US presidents stop thinking about their own legacies and how to create one? If they would just do what was necessary to ensure the continued freedom of America and the preservation of the Constitution, their legacies would write themselves.

The Israelis are gluttons for punishment. There will never be peace there. You can't negotiate with an animal. I wonder what the imaginary cause for strife in the region would be without Israel if the palestinians ever got their wish. They are so dysfunctional the whole state would collapse into a even bigger humanitarian nightmare. The U.S., Australia and Canada should offer any Jewish Israeli a fast track to citizenship in those countries. I'm pretty sure a lot of Western European countries would also prefer Israeli immigrants to the muslim thugs now infesting the welfare rolls. They have a highly educated and skilled population and would be welcomed.

"...they need only inform themselves as to the nature and menace of Islam, and to work against not only terrorism, but against all the less obviously alarming, but far more effective instruments of Jihad, which include the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and what appears to be inexorable demographic conquest within the Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels, especially in Western Europe." - Hugh

In other words, pest control.