Civil rights advocates slam LAPD plan to map Muslim communities

A bit OT:

"Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in head scarf." --Yep, you read correctly. Here's the link:

http://uk250.co.uk/frame/21972/daily-mail.html

People, look to the left margin of the "Mail" above (link) and see the Muslim woman in the headscarf. Click there and the story will come up.

Darcy,

Please read Dhimmi Watch, which is part of this site, and is also a blog updated daily. The hairdresser story has been up since 3:43 AM PST this morning:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018730.php

Cordially
Robert Spencer

"We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities," said Downing, who heads the counterterrorism bureau.

Why is the impetus to "reach out" never placed on Islamic communities?

It seems the "moderates" in Karachi and Lahore are upset that no one from Britain or the US "reached out" to help them after the recent earthquakes and have offered little to no aid in rebuilding. Our failure to "reach out" has driven them into the arms of the radicals.

Is their only answer: you made me do it?

What race are Muslims again?

Yeah. What race is Robert E. Umar Lee ("I call Spencer a racist and then hurl (watch me on the tape) racial slurs at an African American officer who tells me (politely) to move my fat ass"), or Fibrahim "the liar" (just ask Dennis Prager)
Hooper, or the Ed-209-Edina "find my Nazi collaborator ancestors please so I can stop lying" Lakovic. Of course, we all know. These "racism" charges are a smokescreen and slander by real racists (such as the certified racist Umar Lee) and other Muslim liars.

In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities."
--from posting above

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen. Today we'll begin with The Koran, the most important "holy" book of the Islamic creed. First, note that the Koran does not actually ever use the word unbeliever to refer to us non-Muslims. It calls us "kafirs." Write that word down, please.

The Koran defines the kafir (that's us...you and me)as someone who does not believe in their prophet muhammad, as a result of which we are to be:

Hated 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart.

In other words, the Muslims are required by their holiest book to hate non-Muslims.

Also, a kafir should be Punished:

Koran: 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.

And we are to be:

Beheaded: 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thoroughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.

Plotted against: 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.

Terrorized: 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!”

Annihilated: 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds!

Killed: 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.

Crucified: 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to commit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Made war on: 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.

Please note that as the Koran defines it, kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, and the lowest form of life. The Kafir is you and me. And according to Islam, we can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated.

We will now look at some examples from the other Muslim holy books, the Hadith and the Sira, but before we proceed, are there any questions?

All I have to say to the folks at the ACLU is be careful here ... a lynch mob doesn't see shades of gray. When we are hit again I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with a group that appears to be in league with our attackers. Who knows whom you are protecting, and where the next attack will come form ... although we have some good ideas. If you lie down with dogs ... you will get fleas. The good news here is someone has some brains in the LAPD, and a good idea about where it will come from as well.

Too bad these fabulous civil liberties folks don't slam the violence perpetuated by Islam. THAT would be useful, as OUR rights are the ones actually being violated every minute of the day with the sword of the prophet aimed at the heads of us and our loved ones day after day. Mass slaughter of the "unbelievers" by Islamic acts of terrorism is one form of 'racism' that these people apparently approve of!

But, heavens, it would be an utter crime for the civil liberties crowd to be useful in any way, shape, or form. We might allow criminals and terrorists to get CAUGHT. We can't have THAT, now, can we??? CAN WE??? Didn't think so.

All muslims should have been mapped, and muslim enclaves identified, starting on 9/12/2001.
I'm hoping the LAPD's use of the phrase "reach out to" is a euphemism for "keep our eye on".

Until islam is de-listed as a religion, and called by the correct term - cult, ideology, islamofascism or whatever - the ACLU and muslims will continue to protest "religious profiling".

Yankeedoodle2 I have a question. I thought it was western imperialism that caused all the anger and hate Muslims feel for the west. Didn't all of this start when we bad intolerant Christians invaded Spain and started the Crusades? Like in this wonderful documentary I saw http://www.upf.tv/upf06/Films/CitiesofLightTheRiseandFallofIslamicSpain/tabid/78/Default.aspx LOL!

"The LAPD's counterterrorism bureau plans to identify Muslim enclaves in order to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism," said Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing on Thursday."

Isn't this amazing? We don't have to monitor Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, or other groups in this country to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism, but we do Muslims.

It's an admission that we have something to worry about when it comes to Muslims. Yet we're still importing them into our country. There might be 500,000 Muslims in Southern Califirnia today, But there'll be millions a few decades from now. And when that happy day comes, they won't accuse anyone of racial profiling, they'll call it "making war on Islam".

"There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties."

That is a scary statistic

From the article

We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities

G*d forbid we ever reach out to them the way they reach out to us.

It's "racial profiling," of course. What race are Muslims again?

What exactly is “racial profiling” as described by the ACLU? (http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/racialprofiling/index.html ) In their words:

”Racial Profiling is any police or private security practice in which a person is treated as a suspect because of his or her race, ethnicity, nationality or religion. This occurs when police investigate, stop, frisk, search or use force against a person based on such characteristics instead of evidence of a person's criminal behavior.”

So what is this ‘profiling’ about, that it makes them adamant about ending the practice? Are we profiling when we restrict freedoms for criminals? Are they an ‘ethnic’ group by their definition of having committed crimes? Is their view that Muslims are no more likely than ‘whites’ to be terrorists entirely correct? Have they any per-capita statistics to back his up? Is it ‘profiling’ to be suspicious of a real threat, a present danger, to our safety when flying and a group of Moslem men act suspiciously? Did this ever happen before, and the planes were flown into tall buildings, killing all aboard? Should this suspicion then be eliminated from our brain cells, as if it never happened? We know ‘racial’ profiling on the basis of color is wrong because it paints everyone of a skin color with the same broad brush. We are not equating ‘racism’ here with ‘profile suspicion’ of a group that has repeatedly threatened us with violence and death, and then carried out these threats. When the Moslem masses chant in the streets “Death to America!” we must take them seriously with what they threaten us, in their own words. (They lie habitually, but I believe them!)

Profiling by ‘race, ethnicity, nationality, or religion’, is not the same as profiling those who ‘in their own words’ have willfully chosen to condemn us and wish us harm. It is wrong to blanket profile when there is no cause, but when there is cause, profiling is not only necessary but the sane thing to do if we value our lives and safety. The Moslem world has given us cause over and over again, and it is willful blindness to follow the recommendations of the ACLU to treat both the threats, and actual execution of those threats, as “uncharacteristic of evidence of a person’s criminal behavior.” Of course they must be profiled, because they are a clear and present danger to our society. They explicitly told us they do not accept our free way of life, nor our democratic principles, our freedom of speech, our constitutional government, nor our ‘man made’ laws; all of which the Moslems define as inferior to their Allah’s laws as conceived by the prophet Mohammed. They told us this, point blank, and with barbaric death squads who blow themselves up to kill. How is it ‘racist’ to identify the enemy by their own words and actions, just because this enemy has chosen to accept the words of a 7th century prophet as Allah’s law rather than our democratic form of government? The ACLU does not have a case. There is no justification for vilifying us because we profile Middle Eastern Muslims. They want to be ‘profiled’ so they could sue us in return. Pretty clever trick, isn’t it? How do you convert willful actions into a ‘race’? Watch Islam, it did it!

Don’t let them. No more ‘catch and release’. Profile, catch, and deport instead. They asked for it willfully, of their own choice with their words and deeds, and condemned themselves. Use our laws and police to oblige. Time to get them out of our society, to preserve our hard earned freedoms, and return the world to normalcy and human decency once more. For those who remain, and accept our freedoms and our laws, then reach out to them. I agree with LAPD.

Elric66,

"There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties."

That is a scary statistic

That's most likely an inflated figure just like everything else concerning Muslims.

Aiken Bryce,

That could be. Very good point

Map muslim communities??.. hell they should be fenced.

Autopsy Conducted in Beheading Death of Sex Offender

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,309978,00.html

Anything that is linking this to a jihadi? Im just curious since the guy was beheaded and burned. Plus that it happened in Northville Township MI which is 24.50 miles from Dearborn.

500,000 Muslims in L.A? Do any of you know why there are so MANY immigrants that are Muslims?
Well let me guess! It's because they were told in their home countries to move to the USA so they can be aids in the takeover of our country! So they can lie and pretend to love this country while in their hearts they are gleefully planning to take it over and make it an Islamic country.

This has happened or is happening in every country in the world. A list obtained from CAIR shows how many Muslims live in every country in the world and only little nonentites and small islands in the oceans are without Muslims. Too many countries are 100% Muslim. Why would Muslims in warm countries want to move to Norway? Denmark? Estonia? To help in the takeover of course. BAN MUSLIM IMMIGRATION! Write to GWB and tell him the facts! No one in this country except Jihad Watch seems to understand the great danger we face.

"No one in this country except Jihad Watch seems to understand the great danger we face."

They do at LGF.

Just kidding :-)

"Singling out individuals for investigation, surveillance, and data-gathering based on their religion constitutes religious profiling that is just as unlawful, ill-advised and deeply offensive as racial profiling," said the letter.

Unless of course that religion advocates world domination, forced conversion, servitude or murder in which case it would be grossly irresponsible to do anything except that which is being done by the LAPD.

The LAPD is in line for a great deal of criticism and pressure should they proceed with this plan - let's hope they have the courage to follow through and protect the citizens of LA.

Please note that as the Koran defines it, kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, and the lowest form of life. The Kafir is you and me. And according to Islam, we can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 9, 2007 2:31 PM

Yes. It's not "kick the dust from your feet" and move on. Islam says kick the guy in the b@@s and throw mama from the train. It's hard to believe people believe this crap-but they do. I know thy do. It's surreal.

Without looking much farther,this has all the earmarks of the out reach program that the FBI is instituting in the Muslim community in the Steve Emerson article on DHIMMIWATCH today.

Certainly law enforcement would and should make some inroads into the Islamic community,butif you approach them in a negative way that creates a hostile environment than you may find yourself being much less effective when dealing with radicals within the Muslim Communities.

The way law enforcement is being received by Muslims can also send up flags of concern. Some of this is right out of the COPS (Community Oriented Policing Services) playbook of which several law enforcement agencies received grants to go door to door and find out what the communities biggest concerns were in their neighborhoods. COPS teams also conducted community out reach meetings that allowed people to air their complaints in discussion groups.. The first COP grants came with "The Violent Crime Control & Law Enforcement Act" that passed both the House, and the Senate, authorizing $8.8 billion in 1994. Much of the learned program procedures are in place today and can be effective in interacting with the Islamic community. A lot of issues that helped to get this program going was, and is the gang problem .

And how many Islamic organizations in L.A. are producing literature like this from the DC Imam:

http://www.sabiqun.net/pdf/SBQ_11.06_Paradigm_Shift.pdf

Following the Islamic propaganda about a "paradigm shift" is a section called "Things To Do Now!" Read number 21, then let other people know about it, particularly your elected representatives:

"21. Always cherish the intention of jihād and the desire for martyrdom in the way of Allah and actually prepare yourself for that."

Feel the love?

Note: The "paradigm shift" he talks about appears to be an Americanized English version of the call to eliminate the U.S. "media halo" found in "The Management of Savagery". "The Management of Savagery" used to be at:
www.ctc.usma.edu/Management_of_Savagery.pdf
but the link no longer works. Hmmm... another casualty of political correctness?

Oh.. I almost forgot about number 25:

25. Call others to Islam. Familiarize your leadership with your activities, and never undertake any action without first consulting your leadership. Keep yourself in constant spiritual and physical contact with your community and always consider yourself a soldier in the barracks awaiting a command.

Speaking of political correctness and the LAPD plan, check out the leftist watering hole:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com

They have just discovered the horrible LAPD plan and have went batshit crazy. If you want to see how liberals view this topic go take a look at some of the posts.

Communism and nazism functioned as state religions, but are really totalitarian, imperialist political ideologies. Are communism and nazism protected under our right to freedom of religion? No, nor should any totalitarian, imperialist political ideology.

If the LAPD had had any street smarts they would have sub-contracted this research out to a social agency and used that "blind" to pretend that the "study" was being done to help get more welfare benefits into the Muslim communities.

Tipping your hand as directly as the LAPD did only guarantees a predicatable p.c. backlash.

Softly, softly...

The plan "basically turns the LAPD officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to fight crime and enforce the laws," said Hussam Ayloush.

The role of the police is indeed to fight crime, and since Islam is a criminal organization they haven't even commenced the fight yet. And since our laws are increasingly watered down to make accomodations for the sharia I take issue with that and insist that our law, the law of the land, (for the Muslims 'man made law') is followed to the letter and no exceptions or excuses made for Muslims.

Shape up or ship out.

The plan "basically turns the LAPD officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to fight crime and enforce the laws," said Hussam Ayloush.

The role of the police is indeed to fight crime, and since Islam is a criminal organization they haven't even commenced the fight yet. And since our laws are increasingly watered down to make accomodations for the sharia I take issue with that and insist that our law, the law of the land, (for the Muslims 'man made law') is followed to the letter and no exceptions or excuses made for Muslims.

Shape up or ship out.

Ynkedoodl2

Excellent post. LMAO. (even though most of the writing was provided by another source- Koran). It is one of the most clever posts I've seen in a while. It took me less than 5 minutes to read. How difficult could it be to actually give that lecture to every police department in the country? Every member of the armed forces? Citing those verses of the Koran as the source for muslim hatred toward the kafir is excellent. Again,, kudos to you.

When you run into someone who equates Religion to Race, you know you have found a ture IDIOT. Of course, they would never equate Christian Profiling as Racist. It is obvious they have some alterior motive going on (aside from being idiots).

"In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities."

Time for another book/dvd mailing campaign to place a crash course in the glories of Islam at the disposal of our law enforcement? And, what power to persuade would a certain factually indisputable book have upon our our city mayors, our ministers, our educators?

If the recent campaign against radical Islam on college campuses provoked a flashpoint of discussion and invited scrutiny of the methods and aims of Islamic supremacists, then, think what could be gained by a massive outreach to law enforcement and influential citizens across the country. Via internet webcast or teleconferencing or even a conference with video uplink in major cities would surely draw a lot of people into the discussion and provoke scrutiny on the problems of radical Islam.

Any effort now to head off the burgeoning problem of radical Islam might save America and her allies from becoming ensnared and hamstrung like the EU.

"In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities."

Time for another book/dvd mailing campaign to place a crash course in the glories of Islam at the disposal of our law enforcement? And, what power to persuade would a certain factually indisputable book have upon our our city mayors, our ministers, our educators?

If the recent campaign against radical Islam on college campuses provoked a flashpoint of discussion and invited scrutiny of the methods and aims of Islamic supremacists, then, think what could be gained by a massive outreach to law enforcement and influential citizens across the country. Via internet webcast or teleconferencing or even a conference with video uplink in major cities would surely draw a lot of people into the discussion and provoke scrutiny on the problems of radical Islam.

Any effort now to head off the burgeoning problem of radical Islam might save America and her allies from becoming ensnared and hamstrung like the EU.

"In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities."

Time for another book/dvd mailing campaign to place a crash course in the glories of Islam at the disposal of our law enforcement? And, what power to persuade would a certain factually indisputable book have upon our our city mayors, our ministers, our educators?

If the recent campaign against radical Islam on college campuses provoked a flashpoint of discussion and invited scrutiny of the methods and aims of Islamic supremacists, then, think what could be gained by a massive outreach to law enforcement and influential citizens across the country. Via internet webcast or teleconferencing or even a conference with video uplink in major cities would surely draw a lot of people into the discussion and provoke scrutiny on the problems of radical Islam.

Any effort now to head off the burgeoning problem of radical Islam might save America and her allies from becoming ensnared and hamstrung like the EU.

"There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties."

That number is not so scary when you take into acount the 15,000,000 people that live in those 3 counties, so don’t expect an Islamic takeover anytime soon.

Here's the funniest thing you'll read all day:

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and community groups have a letter to the LAPD expressing "grave concerns" about the program, reports said.

"The mapping of Muslim communities . . . seems premised on the faulty notion that Muslims are more likely to commit violent acts than people of other faiths," the Times quoted the letter as saying.

Nobody is that dumb.

Oops, sorry Mr. Spencer, I do read Dhimmi Watch and I guess I missed that. Best Wishes, Darcy

BurkasforHitlery

just a couple of thousand of them then, oh, thats ok then?

not dissing your post but highlighting that a couple of thousand of them can do a lot of serious damage, plus how many americans are willing to get their hands dirty? i reckon a similar number in that area of a couple of thousand, the cops would have to end up calling on the natl guard to put down the mass riots, bombs and random house burnings by muslims, plus they would need to keep order amongst the american non muslim population. to appease the muslims they would have to drop a heavy amount of american patriots defending their homes. think thats crazy? katrina residents were disarmed by paramilitary cops for trying to rescue fellow citizens and disarmed for defending their property.

get ready for the clamp down after a major muslim brotherhood attack. another attack by islamic terrorists and we are all on lock down. you can kiss the 2nd amendment goodbye.

http://www.ifeminists.com/introduction/editorials/2002/1210a.html

strangely here's a feminist article defending muslims 2nd amendment rights after 9/11.

frickin bizarre?

read it and weep.

@ topic

It's really quite simple...
"To protect and serve"
Cops' purpose is to combat the enemy of civility: crime, evil, wrongdoing, etc...
Combating crime means getting intel on that enemy,
getting intel also means mapping out enemy positions, among other factors...

So...with that simple summary said, which is indisputable, one is left with one question for these "civil-rights" advocates" which are anything BUT:

"...AND YOUR POINT IS...????"

Great! Pepper the US with cultural zones (France has over 700) where the rule of law is suspended in favor of sharia perversity. Let the koranimals set up giant mosques around same, and allow Dar Islam recognition.

If only the record of persecution of religious minorities in the Muslim tyrannies could penetrate Bush's alcohol polluted brain.

According to a variety of sources, the Islamic population of the United States is anywhere from .5% to 2.2% of the US population. If you split the number, and say that one percent of the US population is Islamic, and that the population of LA is 15 million, then we're looking at 150,000 Islamic people in LA. If it is 2.2 percent, then we're looking at 360,000 Islamic people in LA. Further, California has 227 Mosques, and its a good bet most of them are in LA, so the population could be higher in LA than the general population statistics.

According to CAIR only 25% of the Islamic people in the U.S. are Arab. So, profiling by race is not an expedient method of identifying potential terrorists. We have to remember that the Islamic community has been actively recruiting in American prisons for more than fifty years, and that they count 30% of Islamic persons as American converts, and they are mostly African American, since they targeted a disaffected population for conversion. But the Eastern European and Southern Russian Moslems are fair and blue eyed. The fair Moslems have been illegally crossing into California through our border, which leaks like a sieve.

500,000 Moslems in Southern California? I think the LAPD is correct. I wonder if they are starting to see a rise in crime in predominantly Islamic areas, or if they are finding indications of other activities when they respond to calls. Can't you just see pockets of LA becoming uncontrollable like the neighborhood in the Netherlands? France? Germany? Sweden? London?

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According to a variety of sources, the Islamic population of the United States is anywhere from .5% to 2.2% of the US population. If you split the number, and say that one percent of the US population is Islamic, and that the population of LA is 15 million, then we're looking at 150,000 Islamic people in LA. If it is 2.2 percent, then we're looking at 360,000 Islamic people in LA. Further, California has 227 Mosques, and its a good bet most of them are in LA, so the population could be higher in LA than the general population statistics.

According to CAIR only 25% of the Islamic people in the U.S. are Arab. So, profiling by race is not an expedient method of identifying potential terrorists. We have to remember that the Islamic community has been actively recruiting in American prisons for more than fifty years, and that they count 30% of Islamic persons as American converts, and they are mostly African American, since they targeted a disaffected population for conversion. But the Eastern European and Southern Russian Moslems are fair and blue eyed. The fair Moslems have been illegally crossing into California through our border, which leaks like a sieve.

500,000 Moslems in Southern California? I think the LAPD is correct. I wonder if they are starting to see a rise in crime in predominantly Islamic areas, or if they are finding indications of other activities when they respond to calls. Can't you just see pockets of LA becoming uncontrollable like the neighborhood in the Netherlands? France? Germany? Sweden? London?

E-commerce: a great way to shop. I detest malls.

Errata Sheet

For "We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities" the last part of the sentence should read "so we can more effectively and at least expense to the taxpayers monitor those communities."

"Singling out individuals for investigation, surveillance, and data-gathering based on their religion constitutes religious profiling that is just as unlawful, ill-advised and deeply offensive as racial profiling," said the letter.

Religious profiling I would have thought was vital in defeating this scourge on humanity that is islam. It seems the word is getting out that islam is something to watch out for and to pull out the charge of 'religious profiling' shows how desperate they are getting, the smoke screen that was islamophobia was not diverting the attention away from the totalitarian movement and was actually causing people to have a closer look...

Back in the days of common sense:
"Be on the lookout for a (race), (gender), (height), (weight), (distinguishing features), etc etc...

Today's world of political correctness:
"Be on the lookout for...errr...a guy."
(narrowing it down to about...7 million males)

Isn't the PC multi-cult fun?
Purge PC & its cancerous twin, multi-cultism, and ya purge 90% of the problem (the 5th column, enemy within).