As the human rights lawyers descend upon Manitoba to take up Hagar Outbih's case, Kathy Shaidle puts the whole thing in perspective:
Stories like this one make the news more frequently these days. I don't get it. Muslim reps always say, "No one is making me wear a headscarf. It is an expression of modesty", blah blah.Well: is it mandatory or not? If not -- and you say it isn't, not me -- then the girl can remove it to compete.
The rules say you can't wear such a scarf. So take it off and follow our rules.
Oh but wait: suddenly the scarf IS mandatory. See why we get annoyed?
"Head scarf breaks rules," from the CP:
A Judo Manitoba official reduced an 11-year-old girl to tears yesterday when he refused to allow her to compete in a tournament wearing a hijab, or Muslim head scarf.While other children squared off in the match at a Winnipeg gym, Hagar Outbih could only watch from the sidelines and wonder why she was singled out.
"He said that I can't fight. If I want to fight I have to take it off or I have to leave," Outbih said as tears rolled down her face.
Hagar's mother, Khadaja, tried to console her daughter.
"As a mom I feel so bad that my daughter would go through this." she said.
Judo Manitoba president Dave Minuk made the ruling.
He said it was based on International Judo Federation guidelines.
"It has nothing to do with religion, it is a safety issue," Minuk said. "It (the hijab) could be used to strangle somebody. It could fall over her face."
Watch the dhimmis make an exception for the "poor aflicted muslim girl".
Hey, islamo-nazis, if you don't like Western rules and morals, you can just pick up your bags and get back to the lands of allah, where you will be closer to the bones of old child molestor Muhammad.
Yet another fine example of the dualistic nature of political islam.
Dualism . . .How convenient!
Those having taken an oath of office, the oath which outlines the duty to protect it's Nation's citizens have a duty to become familiar with this ideological enemy that unecessarily confounds all logic and continues to do harm through various elements of violent and non-violent jihad.
As often stated by Hugh Fitzgerald, the tetexts are online
Yet another fine example of the dualistic nature of political islam.
Dualism . . .How convenient!
Those having taken an oath of office, the oath which outlines the duty to protect it's Nation's citizens have a duty to become familiar with this ideological enemy that unecessarily confounds all logic and continues to do harm through various elements of violent and non-violent jihad.
As often stated by Hugh Fitzgerald, the texts are online
Yet another fine example of the dualistic nature of political islam.
Dualism . . .How convenient!
Those having taken an oath of office, the oath which outlines the duty to protect it's Nation's citizens have a duty to become familiar with this ideological enemy that unecessarily confounds all logic and continues to do harm through various elements of violent and non-violent jihad.
As often stated by Hugh Fitzgerald, the texts are online
Judo is inappropriate for a Muslim girl; she should learn domestic skills that will make her useful to her husband and sons. Judo will give her sinful ideas of self-worth and power.
But I wonder...what would a Sikh do with his turban in judo class?
Wonder why she's learning judo? Perhaps it's to fend off co-cultist males who seek to make her a bride at the ripe old age of 12.
sceptico
this is what the sikhs do!
http://www.sikh-school-of-arts.org/flash.html
Sorry lady, the official has got it right. I have competed in judo for many years and at the very least it gives the opponent a major advantage and on a serious note it is a major saftey issue.
I am sure her opponent would have loved for her to keep it on, as it would give you a major advantage. Especially for choke holds and certian throws. During any mat work it would be much easier to get a good grip on an otherwise slippery neck.
I wonder if this girl regularly practices with one on??? Where was her coach??? He/she should know better....
If one area exists where the trend of muslims to use PC and impose their culture on us can be stopped, it could start here in sports.
From the article:
I don't get it. Muslim reps always say, "No one is making me wear a headscarf. It is an expression of modesty", blah blah.
Well: is it mandatory or not? If not -- and you say it isn't, not me -- then the girl can remove it to compete.
The rules say you can't wear such a scarf. So take it off and follow our rules.
Oh but wait: suddenly the scarf IS mandatory. See why we get annoyed?
Here's the Islamonline.net article:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1195032384996&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
Islamonline almost always carries this nonsensical, 'dualistic' explanation:
Islam sees hijab as an obligatory code of dress, not a religious symbol displaying one’s affiliations.
Well, as that circular, dualistic logic goes:
Islam, a religion, sees hijab not as a religious symbol (not even a Muslim symbol, apparently) but as a code of dress obliged by something other than religion.
If not a matter of religious belief, by what, then, do Muslims believe its wear is obliged?
And if not a symbol of religious affiliation, do Muslims believe hijab is a universal obligation for all women everywhere; regardless of their religious beliefs?
"Eleven-year-old girl banned from judo for wearing hijab!"
LOL. I saw that headline and it just cracked me up.
But seriously, why would the Muslim world allow females to compete in a sport that would help them defend themselves once they are married. Aren't Muslim women supposed to be kept barefoot, pregnant and incapable of defending themselves at all times? Somethings not right here.
Judo is for kufrs anyway. What self-respecting tilth learns how to fight?
Having done Judo in my youth I can say that to wear anything more than the prescribed judo outfit is not only stupid but dangerous. It was necessary to trim my toe and finger nails before a session to avoid cutting my opponent – and more importantly for me – to avoid having them torn off.
As for clothing, to wear a ring or any kind of jewellery is asking to have it torn off - along with the bit of the body to which it in attached. So a scarf fastened with a clip, or worse still pins, is just stupid and it is quite possible for a headscarf to get caught during a rapid throw and in the worst case break the wearers neck.
Still I suppose she would go to heaven, which would be some consolation for her stupid mother.
Good. We absolutely must have principles and rules on which we shall not compromise for anybody.
Muslims out there: take note. We can be as stubborn as you. If you come to our countries you play by our rules or you go home.
"...why would the Muslim world allow females to compete in a sport that would help them defend themselves once they are married."
-- from a posting above
Wrestling is one of the few sports permitted to Muslims. In general, sports are forbidden unless they help prepare Muslims for the Jihad. See Al-Qaradawi's guide to what is Haram and Halal. Wrestling fits the bill.
I wonder if they'd try the same approach with, say, fencing?
Copied & pasted from the Toronto Star.
Note that she had worked there for five years but decided in February not to wear the uniform anymore.
If the Canadian Human Rights Commission takes her case, the taxpayers will pay her legal bills. She has been turned down for unemployment insurance and welfare because she still has a job and need only to comply with the dress code.
If the CHRC decides in her favour, does this mean that no employer will have the right to enforce a dress code?
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/277286
Skirt too long to please employer
Muslim airport worker, laid off after altering uniform, takes case to rights commission
A few inches of skirt length have led to an airport security guard's suspension.
The skirt is too long – not too short – to please the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority.
Halima Muse, a practising Muslim, has been laid off without pay until she agrees to wear a standard uniform that includes either slacks or a skirt falling at the knee.
Instead, she has filed a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission saying she is the target of religious discrimination, as Islam instructs that she dress modestly in a way that covers the body and conceals its curves.
"My skirt is not that much different – it's a bit longer," she said yesterday from her home not far from Pearson airport, where she has worked for more than five years. "It's not about style, it's about my dignity."
[...]
Until February of this year, Muse wore slacks with her uniform but never liked them, her brief to the commission says. They showed the shape of her body.
She asked the Garda employee in charge of uniforms for a skirt longer than the standard one. No such skirt existed, she was told, but she negotiated a solution. Matching colour and material, she made her own skirt that reached the ankle.
For six months all went well, Muse said in the interview. Then a Garda manager said she must conform to regulations.
[...]
A forum post from someone who witnessed the incident:
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I was sitting by the parents at this tournament. I heard them have multiple conversations with a variety of people who told them that their girl could not fight with hijab. Their coach told them that the officials asked her if she was going to fight with it. The coach (who is a muslim women who fought for Egypt and never wore on in compition) told them that they have to take it off if they wanted her to compete. They told the coach no. The coach goes back to the officials with the answer. A little while latter the officials come by and talk to the parent and how they could not have anybody compete with the hijab.
They were told if she steps onto the mat she would be disqualified. She goes on the mat and gets disqualified. Parents are filming this as document the disqulification. The second match happens like 10 mins later and the same result. Now here is the kicker. No less than 20 mins after being disqualified from the fisrt match (or if you will 10 mins after the last match) a tv crew arrives. Coincidence? I don't think so. Even after being told what would happen, they insist to send out their daughter to make some statement. This left me with a bad taste in my mouth because this was premeditated from the get go. I also talked to a parent from that club (who is also muslim) who told me this was the case. Also this is not the first time that these parents acted a hijab crusaders. These parents also did this on the basketball federation.
Even though this might look like a case of somebody fighting against discrimination this was nothing more than a well organized media event to promote the mom's agenda and to raise he profile in the muslim community. You might want to chose to belive otherwise, but I was there and saw/heard many of the onging thought out the day and I talked to the coach, the officials, and other parents from that club (who were muslims by the way).
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Here's news footage from the event.
Some people argue that there's no reason why arbitrary sports rules can't be slightly modified to allow for hijabs. I guess that's true, except this isn't really about wearing hijabs in Judo. This is, as always, about Muslims trying to force their religion on others, one tiny step at a time. There's always an agenda.
I practise Judo too.
Again, Muslims set the rules up so that they are always winners. Little Hagar was crying buckets of tears because she couldn't be in the judo contest with her hijab. Little Hannah, on the JW page, was crying and suing because a male classmate supposedly pulled off part of her hijab, exposed a lock of hair, leaving her to feel threatened and humiliated. So, what would have happened to little Hagar if, during the judo contest, HER hajib had been pulled off? Another case of feeling threatened and humiliated? It seems to be win-win. All they have to do is to judge shop, which a good CAIR lawyer can do.
From the forum post noted by Jesus Christ Supercop, above:
I heard them have multiple conversations with a variety of people who told them that their girl could not fight with hijab. Their coach told them that the officials asked her if she was going to fight with it. The coach (who is a muslim women who fought for Egypt and never wore on in compition) told them that they have to take it off if they wanted her to compete. They told the coach no. The coach goes back to the officials with the answer. A little while latter the officials come by and talk to the parent and how they could not have anybody compete with the hijab. They were told if she steps onto the mat she would be disqualified. She goes on the mat and gets disqualified. Parents are filming this as document the disqulification. The second match happens like 10 mins later and the same result. Now here is the kicker. No less than 20 mins after being disqualified from the fisrt match (or if you will 10 mins after the last match) a tv crew arrives. Coincidence? I don't think so. Even after being told what would happen, they insist to send out their daughter to make some statement. This left me with a bad taste in my mouth because this was premeditated from the get go. I also talked to a parent from that club (who is also muslim) who told me this was the case. Also this is not the first time that these parents acted a hijab crusaders. These parents also did this on the basketball federation.
Even though this might look like a case of somebody fighting against discrimination this was nothing more than a well organized media event to promote the mom's agenda and to raise he profile in the muslim community. You might want to chose to belive otherwise, but I was there and saw/heard many of the onging thought out the day and I talked to the coach, the officials, and other parents from that club (who were muslims by the way)
Regarding the muslim woman who worked as a security screener at Toronto International Airport (which scares the hell out of me!), I was listening to a phone in talk radio show on this topic on Tuesday. They had to extend the length of the program due to the response.
Most callers basically said they are sick and tired of immigrants wanting special treatment, that the woman knew the requirements of the job when she was hired, and why after 5 years is her uniform an issue now? Personally, I think it's a setup. And sadly, she will likely win her case. After all, for several years Sikhs have been allowed to wear turbans as part of their RCMP uniform!
But I must say, I was truly encouraged by the number of people who are just plain fed up with muslim demands.
Just a few years back there was a 9-Fingered man who was upset that he wasn't Handicapped enough for the Disability Games as a runner , but he also discovered that in the Olympic Sprint Races the Rules state clearly that all person must be in the Start Blocks with 10 (that's TEN)
fingers placed on the Starting line as we see where Sprinters spread their thumbs out and position the remaining 8 fingers.
Then I read about the Canadian that wanted to compete in the Wheelchair races but he was told
that he had to be Wheelchair-Bound first and not just an able-bodied person in a chair.
The Human Rights panels tackle issues like this all the time and usually give in to keep the Peace , but lately they are picking the wrong side of the issue to side with .
by all means let her were the hijab it gives a opponent somthing more to grab and since she is wearing a hijab she must be past the age of puberty
so what is se doing around GASP unrelated males let alone kafur males
Why not wear a T-shirt which says "I am sooo different from you."?
"by all means let her were the hijab it gives a opponent somthing more to grab and since she is wearing a hijab she must be past the age of puberty
so what is se doing around GASP unrelated males let alone kafur males
Posted by: mowa"
Plenty of young Muslim girls around the world are donning the hijab well before the age of puberty now. We've all seen pictures of little girls as young as 5 wearing the grotesque things. Are they doing it "voluntarily?" Well, how voluntarily to young children wear any kind of clothing? They wear what Mom and Dad tell them to wear. Discussion over.
Not only are these girls being robbed of their childhood - in effect; their hair, heads and bodies being prematurely sexualized and seen as powerfully provocative and therefore unfit for the male gaze, which is as inappropriate in my view as dressing little girls in sexy adult-women styles - they are cynically being used as political pawns by parents and religious leaders to advance the Islamist agenda.
No wonder that little girl was crying. I would to, if my parents were messing with my head in such a horrible and abusive way. But of course she can't blame her parents because she loves them, so she now sees the kuffir adults - teachers, coaches - she used to also love and trust as THE ENEMY who are AGAINST HER. This is all part of the whole sad process.
This is so obviously a staged event, the media outlets involved should all be ashamed of their stupidity.
The hijab represents support for Sharia Law and for Islamic dominance. Some Muslim countries ban its use for this reason. A young person wearing a hijab is similar to a white supremacist wearing a KKK badge. That is what this political/religious symbol means. The hijab has other meanings like modesty but at its roots is hatred of Western liberal values.
Judo is a Japanese martial art. I am sure the Japanese have formalized rules about proper attire during Judo. A kimono is the traditional attire for Judo. Western attire or Islamic attire is generally unorthodox. So I think that an orthodox Judo club or Japanese traditionalists should sue this girls' parents for racism against the Japanese.
This is more than reasonable and much less boundary-pushing than the majority of CAIR-sponsored lawsuits and action alerts.
i will add to my comment of earlier let them try this stunt in hockey or baseball were a helmet is manditory and see how far they get
The conversation that may have occurred:
"Daddy, why don't they let me play just because you make me wear the holy veil on my head."
"Because they hate Muslims, a lesson you must learn, Hagar. They hate us because we worship the one true Allah."
"Daddy, why do they hate us?"
"You must learn, little Hagar, that infidels, led by Jews, who are descended from pigs and monkeys, hate all people of true faith."
"But, Daddy, I really to do be in Judo tournament."
"You insolent child. Khadaja, get the whip!"
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The conversation that did not occur:
"Daddy, why do make me wear this oppressive thing on head? I am just a little girl."
"Because it is a tradition in our misogynistic society even though nowhere in the Koran does it say you must do so. However, it is a sign of our difference, and we can use incidents like these to get some money out of other people with a good lawyer."
"But, Daddy, have they not accepted us into their country and allowed you to thrive and buy a Mercedes. They have been good to us. And I don't think it is right that you turn me into a pawn of your own contempt for our new country."
"You insolent child. Khadaja, get the whip!"
This poor girl's parents should be sued for child abuse. The child is suffering because of the misogyny of her parents. And with further brainwashing, in just a few years, the child will grow up to be a misogynist child abuser herself.
"As a mom I feel so bad that my daughter would go through this."
I'm sure you do.
I'm wondering what would have happened if she was allowed to compete with the hijab and it got pulled off in a match?
Betcha it'd be howls of outrage either way.
Poor kid.
Wait until muslim ballerinas want to wear the hijab, and actresses while playing roles in theatre and cinema, and any other art or sport that you can name.
Watch for more of this type of BS in the 2008 and 2012 Olympic Games.
Maybe muslims should hold their own Olympics!
Suggested sports:
Stone Throwing
Hanging
Raping
Ululating
Protesting
Beheading and the grand finale
Suicide Bombing
Who the hell writes this stuff anyway? Is this supposed to be journalism?
"A Judo Manitoba official reduced an 11-year-old girl to tears yesterday.."
sniff...sniff..
"Hagar Outbih could only watch from the sidelines and wonder why she was singled out.
sniff...sniff
Hagar's mother, Khadaja, tried to console her daughter. "As a mom I feel so bad that my daughter would go through this." she said.
sniff...sniff
This isn't journalism. Its pure emotional propoganda. Is CP a Muslim or something? Or just some bleeding heart liberal idiot?
Whichever - Back to journalism 101 CP!
(CP: sniff...sniff)
In the cideo the girl states "I think they should change the rules, Judo is not just for christians"
Unbelievable, she has obviously been taught at a young age how to use the "i'm a muslim victim" card. What the hell it has to do with christianity anyway?
What happens when she gets her neck broken when her hijab gets caught up in a tussle? Then we would see her parents suing the Judo federation. Or worse they would insist that the rules be changed to ensure that muslims are not allowed to have head locks used against them. If you are going to take part in an infidel sport you have to follow the rules.
When will these people realise that if they want to follow a particular religion that requires specific dress then they have to accept that they are not going to be able to take part in certain pastimes.
Why should anything be changed to accomodate their religion? Or any religion for that matter.
The Winnipeg Free Press has covered the story well. Here are some articles and letters indicating some intelligent anti-dhimmitude:
First, an article-----------------
Play it safe, say judo officials
Hijab ban crucial to sport, they maintain
Wed Nov 21 2007
By Carol Sanders
WAYNE GLOWACKI / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS
Roy Longley says women could be injured if they wear hijabs during judo match.
A flap over a judo competitor not being allowed to wear a hijab has judo officials reeling.
"It just freaks me out," said Roy Longley, who joined the Manitoba Institute of Judo 50 years ago.
"Choke holds are part of the sport and anything covering the neck is against the rules for a reason," said Longley, who taught judo and self defence to women and youth for years at the North End YMCA.
Years ago he taught a grown Muslim woman judo, and remembers her removing her head scarf to participate.
It wasn't an issue at the time, Longley said.
On Saturday, 11-year-old Hagar Outbih left a Winnipeg judo tournament in tears when judo officials refused to let her fight while wearing the hijab, a scarf that covers the head and neck. A TV news camera was given a heads-up on the controversy about to unfold, and was there to record Hagar's tears.
Now Manitoba Sport Minister Eric Robinson is asking Sport Manitoba to meet with the girl and her family, and Judo Manitoba officials, to resolve the issue.
A retired police officer with a black belt in judo said he worries safety might be sacrificed if the rules are changed.
"In judo, you grab anything you can to put your opponent down," said Murray Stalker, 72. "It happens in a fraction of a second. In the heat of a battle, if we're tussling and she slips and I slip and I've got a real hold of (a head covering) and give it a twist, her neck is gone -- boom -- just like that," said Stalker, who got his black belt in judo in 1950 and was a police officer in St. James. "I think the rules were set for a reason."
Longley said he expected more people in the judo community to speak out in support of the rules.
"When we do choke holds, we pull the (judo outfit) collar against nerve at the neck. You cut off their circulation to make them give up. When you tap, we break the fight up right away. If you have excess clothing on in a tournament it's going to be hard for a judge to see."
Abed Moussa, principal of Winnipeg's Alhijra Islamic School, said girls at the school take part in physical education and wear the traditional scarf that covers the head and neck. In some sports like judo, there are limitations for girls who wear hijabs due to the nature of the sport as well as the physical contact involved, Moussa said.
In a Free Press web poll Monday, 80 per cent of the 1,828 responses said International Judo Federation rules should not be changed to allow Muslim women to compete wearing head scarves or hijabs. Close to the 20 per cent of the responses said the rules should be changed.
carol.sanders@freepress.mb.ca
Then three letters, including one from Thailand:---------------------
A reason for the rules
There are 168 nation-members of the International Judo Federation. This includes many countries where the majority of the population is Muslim. In 2005, the Algerian female team captured the bronze medal at the world championships in the team competition, which took place in Cairo, Egypt. According to the World Almanac of 2006, Algeria is 99 per cent Muslim. None of the team members wore a hijab during the tournament, or at the medal ceremony.
Nobody should blame young Hagar Outbih for being disappointed, as she wanted to compete, and thought she was taking a stand. Anybody with a reasonable level of critical thinking, and a minor exposure to organized sports, would be able to realize that, given that her coaches knew the rules, it almost looks as if they set her up to have a confrontation with sports officials.
As Dave Minuk, president of Judo Manitoba stated, this has nothing to do with religion. Judo is a contact sport, and besides safety, another reason for the uniform is so that the attire worn by both fighters will allow them equal opportunity to apply techniques during a match. This includes, among other rules, restrictions on the length of the sleeves, thickness of the fabric, etc. The rule applied is neither outdated nor a misconception, and it is misleading to say that Judo Manitoba has a prohibition on the hijab. Everybody is treated the same, and Hagar's coach is asking for something that will make one competitor's fighting gear different from another. The reader will be the judge and determine if the coach is showing tolerance and respect for the sport.
MIGUEL RUEDA
2nd Degree blackbelt, Judo
Winnipeg
It's a safety concern
I read the article about the judo tournament referee who is in trouble for enforcing the rules. I am 16 years old and for most of my life I have participated in martial arts and many tournaments. The regulations are quite strict and for good reason. It is in the best interest of all participants to remove any accessories, whether they are associated with certain cultures or not. Long hair needs to be tied back, and earrings and necklaces removed -- even necklaces identifying you as being a member of a particular religion, such as a crucifix. It is a safety concern.
I don't see why people can't just accept that a safety rule isn't an insult to people because of their culture. There are probably lots of sports to choose from where it would be safer to wear something wrapped around your head and your neck. I hope the regulations are not changed: They are in place for the good of all participants.
AMANDA SANSREGRET
Winnipeg
The laws of the land
I wonder if the local Muslim community claiming discrimination is strictly adhering to their own religious laws in Canada that a Canadian woman must adhere to when living in a Muslim country? Do Canadian women living and working in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan (and the list goes on) cry discrimination when they must don the hijab or burqa to simply go out of doors, cannot meet in mixed groups without company of her husband, cannot work or drive an automobile? No, because that is the law of the land and despite a clash with their own beliefs they respect the local culture and in some cases have no legal choice.
Food for thought.
DAVID LLOYD
Bangkok, Thailand
Last thing you want is to teach a potential enemy anything dangerous to infidels.
No martial arts, just origami, if they want a taste of the Orient.
In Canada are judo matches boy vs boy and girl vs girl, or are they coed? In much of the U.S. girls are competing against male opponents in wrestling as well as judo. I'd be sort of surprised if such mixed competition is ok with islam. Many of the throws, moves and holds are pretty intimate. Also what happens when a girl is victorious and able to pin her male opponent? Being defeated by a female in a combat sport does not seem to fit into the islamic male-centered world view.