Exiled Bangladeshi writer asked to leave western Indian city fearing attacks by Muslims

That's it? The Indian government won't call out the army to protect her? It didn't insist on forming a Special Guard, composed entirely of of non-Muslim troops, to protect Taslima Nasrin, and others who have already defected, or who in the future may defect, from the Army of Islam, and have every right to speak out about what Islam, in their experience, inculcates, what the texts and tenets and atttitudes and atmospherics of Islam are all about? And if Taslima Narin is transferred to Delhi, "for her own protection," and Muslims there -- or elsewhere in India for that matter -- cause mayhem and even murder as part of their protest against her presence anywhere on Indian soil, will the Indian government ask her, or force her, to leave, or will it read the Muslim leaders the riot act, and tell them that free speech in advanced democracies protects the very speech that Taslima Nasrin bravely insists upon uttering, or declaring, and that Indian democracy cannot accept any further threats -- threats that should be met by rounding up everyone who makes them, and everyone who helps disseminate them. A hard line now, so as to put things clearly, and unambiguosly. Otherwise the day when non-Muslims in India forthrightly admit to themselves the nature, and therefore the permanent menace to themselves, of Islam, will merely be delayed, and dangerously.

Coming to Europe and then the US soon enough. Muslims are still a "minority" in India, so we don't need to wait for a majority before it bursts upon our shores. Given the aggressiveness of CAIR, MSA, MAS, ICNA, ISNA, etc. in the US and MAB, MCB, IACN, etc. in Britain, this will be happening in the West even before Muslims reach the same large minority numbers they have in India.

Oh, wait, Muslims are already rioting over cartoons in the West? Intifada in France? Mass murder in Madrid, London, Beslan? 9/11 and unremitting legal and cultural jihad in the US?

Sorry, I guess we're right up there with India.

To paraphrase James Carville and the other 1992 Clinton dirty tricksters:

It's the jihad, stupid!

Intimidation. The use of of violence or threats to influence the conduct, or compel the consent of another.
Islam in a nutshell. Appeasement today and it just gets worse tomorrow.
Saying something critical of Islam and you need government and army protection from a cult what will drag civilisation back one thousand years?
When are the leaders of the free world going to realise that they must all collaborate and actively put this evil doctrine to sleep permanently. Good must surely triumph over this disgusting belief system. We are in a fight to the death to save civilisation and the sooner all infidels know this the better.

Its just sad that in a nation where Hindus are supposed to be 80%, no one is standing up to these blood thirsty savages. Instead most Indians are intimidated because they have the stupid Gandhian philosophy shoved down their throats since school days that has now made them weak.

A nation of dhimmis cannot stand up to Islamic intolerance. Pardon me for quoting from my own blog:

I am all for Sharia for Islamic countries. What I am against is Sharia being imposed on India now. If the people feel that Sharia should be the law of the land for India, then so be it. But India is not yet an Islamic state. Imposing Sharia by threat of violence should not be tolerated. More specifically, in this case, just because someone’s religious feelings are hurt by some author’s writings, it is not sufficient reason for killing the author.
Freedom of expression is something that some people grant to themselves, and some don’t. The people of the developed nations grant themselves that freedom. A case can be made that development is in a sense an outcome of that freedom. Support for it is provided by noting the strong correlation between how free a society is and how prosperous it is. Societies that forbid freedom of expression are insecure, cowering, fearful, and cowardly.

[From Forbidding Expression - Part 1]

The people of India, including Pakistan and Bangladesh, would have been better off if the Muslims had not invaded and done such damage to the indigenous Hindu culture. What the Muslim invaders did in India is reminiscent of Pizzaro in Peru, or what the Nazis did in Eastern Europe.

When the British ruling classes introduced Protestants into Catholic Ireland they created a similar problem. India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) has become an Indian-Ireland-style sectarian nightmare with nukes (thanks to I-slam). This people suffer terribly because of the Muslim (Arab, Persian, etc.) invasions so long ago. As someone once said, "the past is never really past".

Many indigenous Hindu Indians were forcibly converted and forced to bow to the gas station, to give up their national religion. Those who resisted were reduced to Dhimmi status. In a world of perfect justice, Saudi-A-GAS-Station and other non-Indian Muslims should be required to pay reparations to the Indian people for the horror Arab and other Muslim invaders inflicted on India.

All of history, from Aztec to Zulu, is the pattern of invaders (Huns, Visigoths, Manchu, etc.)coming in and displacing and/or dominating some lately indigenous people. Often, this is accompanied by mass murder of the indigenous people. This pattern is universal and is in no way unique to Western Europeans (really British Imperialism was mild compared to Arab Imperialism. Usually (but not always)they respected the indigenous culture).

The problem here is a human problem.

THe Rajputs are the brave Indian warriors (amongst others)who fought the moslems.
Now they ask her to leave Rajasthan to avoid offending the moslems.

The shame of it all.

Sharia law already exists here in India , muslims can opt to live in it and most of them do. They have sharia marraiges , divorces, etc. etc. Tribal muslims councils in villages do what they like and they operate outside the law. A couple even got stoned to death few years ago.

India is a good example of what Europe is like to become if things are really going as it seems on this website.

THe Rajputs are the brave Indian warriors (amongst others)who fought the moslems.
Now they ask her to leave Rajasthan to avoid offending the moslems.
The shame of it all.

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 24, 2007 6:18 AM

I think the Hindu-Indian-national-culture was so damaged by the Muslim invaders that they lost their self-respect. The Muslims severely damaged the soul of the Hindu culture. The Indian Muslims that bow to the gas station dishonor their ancient heritage. It's as if Jewish people bowed to a Nazi swastika. It was a bad day when the Muslims invaded India.

Oh yeah, and they still have the gall to complaint about 'minority getting victimized'. Kashmiri muslims say there's a 'genocide' against them, lol. They drove out the Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) from the valley in 1990.

What's so appalling is that Taslima Nasreen has not even really spoken out against jihad, dhimmitude etc. or anything about Islam. She is just righting about human rights.

Islam, as Hugh has said, is the engine of Arab Imperialism. It's very effective. Even in the Sudan, where the Muslims are obviously African Negro people (they don't look like Semite-Caucasian-Are-A-Fat types), they do the wannabe Arab thing. They adopt Arab names, etc. The same was done in India. Even in America (Fibrahim Hooper, U-Mar-Truth eeL ("I accuse Spencer of "racism" and hurl (watch the tape) racial slurs at an African American officer") do the wannabe Arab thing. The Arabs really are the master "best people" in I-slam. They get all these indigenous people to bow to the gas station and give up their indigenous culture.

"A controversial..."

Now, if you merely criticize islam you become "controversial." This is why Mr. Spencer is controversial. Who will rid this world of mohammed (may he rot in hell)and his followers?

Speaking about human right's is controversial?

Taslima lives in hiding in Europe. One wonders at what point her presence there becomes untenable...where the pervasiveness of both Muslim immigrants and political correctness conspire to exile her again.

America will soon be the last refuge for the Muslim apostate (witness Hirshi Ali). Tragically, we are also the last refuge for a growing number of Muslim refugees...from Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, wherever Jihad bleeds the ummah. For every Hirshi Ali, we have 100,000 believing Muslims entering America.

We're Europe...only in slow-mo. And nothing, not even another 9-11, figures to awaken us from our somnambulance.

"That's it? The Indian government won't call out the army to protect her?"

posted by Hugh

Exactly! Back in the 50's, following the Supreme Court decision overturning the "separate-but-equal" school systems existing in many states, black students began attending previously all-white schools. In Little Rock, Ark., there were threats of violence. President Eisenhower sent in Army troops to escort the students to the schools. Silly Ike! How much simpler and cheaper it would have been for him to simply tell the students that they should leave Little Rock since there might be violence if they stayed: they were "offending the sensibilities" of some of the locals. But no, Ike insisted on enforcing the law. What an unusual fellow.

"stupid Gandhian philosophy" --posted above.

Oh, yes. Do you know that concerning the Holocaust, Gandhi said that the Jews should have just offered themselves up to the Nazis, i.e. not fight back?

What was wrong with that imbecile? I learned that Gandhi actually said that the Jews should have committed mass suicide in total capitulation to the Nazis, and - Voila! - any respect I ever had for Gandhi has vanished.

Again, those are not Indian Muslims in Calcutta; they are illegal migrants from Bangladesh. Its the East LA mentality with a curry flavor.

"Do you know that concerning the Holocaust, Gandhi said that the Jews should have just offered themselves up to the Nazis, i.e. not fight back"?

Actually, dear, he said they should refuse all co-operation, as his colleagues did with the non-violent tactics in India (sit down strikes, etc.). However, I don't think Gandhi was aware of how the Nazis tricked the Jews into thinking that they were only going to be "resettled in the east". In fact, I remember reading a comment of one German Army general (not SS) that basically said that the Jewish world conspiracy theory was nonsense. He asked: how come these folks were so unaware of the fate that awaited them? He said no people ever went to their terrible fate with less knowledge of what was in store for them.

By and large the Jews did not fight back until April 1943 and the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. By that time, fewer and fewer were fooled. If ever there is an argument (2nd amendment style) for an armed citizenry-it was the holocaust. As it was, with very few weapons and Molotov cocktails, the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto inflicted great damage on an SS division. Too bad they didn't have tanks and artillery-LOL.

Hi Frank, I'm glad to see you! Hope your Day of Thanks was nice.

I read the above about Gandhi from an online article called "The Limits of 'Turn the Other Cheek' - Gandhi had it wrong; MLK had it right."

Here's the specific paragraph, and later I'll post the link:

"Gandhi, however, did not. When his biographer, Louis Fischer, asked him in June 1946 if, in light of the Holocaust, he regretted the words he had addressed to Germany's Jews, Gandhi said: "Hitler killed five million [sic] Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs."

Fischer asked: "You mean that the Jews should have committed collective suicide?" Gandhi answered: "Yes, that would have been heroism."

No, that would have been insane!

And here's the link to the 3-page article:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/6/story_671_1.html

darcy-

G saying that causes me to have to re-think my opinion. Good to see you, too.

How could G have such views and advice for Jewish people to offer for mass suicide ?. Its indeed insanity. Indians I am sure today do not know this. Even I have come to know/learn from this site. I am sure British left India in 1947 after WW II due to the heavy moral burden caused by the WWII as the allied forces had taken a very high moral ground of liberating people from Hitler everywhere. If WW II had not taken place then may be British would not have left India inspite of any amount influence of G. British govt. must have known inside out of G to get influenced by G's political theatrics. He used to fast but never died.Very sad for Indians. They always get tricked.

I am all for Sharia for Islamic countries.

by Atanu Dey

Once, I might have agreed with you. The problem is no Muslim country is 100% Muslim. It's not even 99.44% Muslim. There are non-Muslims living everywhere Sharia is imposed. They suffer under its strictures. They are denied the rights of the majority by rule of law - Sharia law.

Sharia law should be a personal choice - obey the call to prayer and pilgrimage. Give your tithes. Government should have no right to impose Sharia on non-believers or on those Muslims who prefer not to observe it.

If Muslims insist on their right to impose Sharia on non-believers then we should be free to impose our own version on them, by outlawing Islam and by expelling all Muslims. An extreme measure I grant you but that is what the times require. The alternative is to sit back and watch as more and more non-Muslims become minorities in their own countries. It has been happening for fourteen hundred years. We are already dhimmis. We can't stand up for our own beliefs, even in our own countries. A Hindu government has ordered a refugee from Islamic extremism to leave the city. Instead of protecting this woman from those who demanded she leave, they have given in to Muslims who threatened violence. Where does it end?

Gandhi was a mystical-political 'messiah' of the same ilk as Hitler. The British were leaving India anyway and it was only their tolerance and liberalism that allowed him to practice his 'non-violent resistance' to such an effect. A real totalitarian state would have 'vanished' him swiftly and efficiently. Besides the man had an enema fetish and would sleep between under-aged girls to 'test' his chastity. Yuck! For all his non-violence he can be directly blamed for tens of millions of deaths.

Gandhi was a silly person. I use the word "silly" after due consideration of course. He is revered by many but so are the prophets of many a popular religion and they are pretty silly too.

I have written about the Gandhi version of extreme stupidity in "The Unbearable Silliness of Loving One's Enemies".

PMK: India's government is not a "Hindu government." It is a dhimmi government. Where does it end, as you rhetorically ask? It ends in the subjugation of the non-Muslim population. Dhimmis end up that way.

poetcomic1: You said it. Yuck indeed.

PROOF THAT THE BANGLADESHI MUSLIMS ARE THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON EARTH.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/147173.html

it's like the victim of a natural disaster biting the person helping them.

Still, Hinduism is a nasty vicious faith as well, with its pernicious caste system, that condemns millions to a live of servitude.-Ian

You are right. There are things about Hinduism that are no great shakes. But nevertheless, it is the national, indigenous religion of India. The Muslim invasions were atrocious in the level of violence and I think the invasions severely damaged the collective psyche of the people in the region. If the Muslims has kept their I-slam out of India, it would be one nation today, with no one bowing to the gas station, and no sectarian violence. The caste system was less lethal than the Dhimmi-bash system of the Muslim invaders. It was a bad day for India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) when the Muslim invaders showed up.

Desidude
I say fine. Bring the Kearsarge and the Essex back to home waters. The Bangladeshis don't want our aid, so we shouldn't force it on them. Let them ask the rich Saudis and Persian Gulf states for help.

corrrect ebonystone, don't give them a cent in help. Let allah take care of them. since allah provides all muslims with everything anyway. Also the sauds and iranins know this too.

"Still, Hinduism is a nasty vicious faith as well, with its pernicious caste system, that condemns millions to a live of servitude. It's just Hindus don't feel honour bound to spread their pestilence to the West, yet."

Posted by: Ian at November 24, 2007 8:56 AM

Are you ignorant Ian ???????

the statement
"It's just Hindus don't feel honour bound to spread their pestilence to the West, yet."

proves your ignorance. I am not a Hindu, however I do know that Hinduism is not an evangelical faith, Christianity and Islam are.

"Still, Hinduism is a nasty vicious faith as well, with its pernicious caste system, that condemns millions to a live of servitude."

Caste has been recognised as an evil and as the country develops it will mitigate the effects of it, over years it will become like the western class system.

"Hinduism is a nasty vicious faith"
What do you mean by that ?
Because its "different"

Don't be so judgemental, if you want to be why don't you convert to Islam ?

Regards

AI

I know khaki is a Hindu word, but I didn't think kowtow was.

They may want to add grovel to their vocabulary, too.

Since Islam will demand it.

Nukes won't help India if there's no spine behind.

Don't be so judgemental, if you want to be why don't you convert to Islam ?

Regards

AI

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 24, 2007 2:33 PM

Uh, excuse me, but anyone has the right to "judge" others. I'm a Christian, and I judge Naziism to be horrific. Ditto Fascism. And, the same for Islam. As for Hinduism, I don't know much about it, but I do know that I don't consider "Ganesha," the elephant god, to be real. And I *can* judge that.

I judge that Islam is a hoax religion and Mo a false prophet. And I can judge that. You don't sound like a true "apostate" of Islam to me. A true "apostate" judges Islam to be false. Like Ali Sina. Who are you?

The word 'kowtow' is from Chinese. It does, however, employ a similar prostration to that of the Islamic prayer position.

As for Taslima Nasreen. This year the Sydney Writers' Festival had Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a keynote guest speaker. Many Muslims howled and whinged, spat and snarled - but Ayaan came, Ayaan spoke, to venues packed solid with Australian literati, and Ayaan's books were reviewed in our leading national newspapers, who also published substantial extracts from the books.

I recommend that all Australians here, look up the Sydney Writers Festival website and then - as I have already done - use the contact to recommend that Ms Taslima Nasreen, as a world-famous writer and advocate of human rights (especially women's rights) and freedom of speech, be an honoured guest at the next Festival. The more people do it the better, as - since muslims eavesdrop here - I am sure the Festival organisers will have received plenty of nasty little slurs about Taslima, threats, and other attempts to head off a repeat of the Ayaan Hirsi Ali thunderbolt.

Persons reading here who may be personally involved with similar cultural/literary festivals in other countries, or who know of the existence of such festivals, should do their best to see that Ms Nasreen gets invitations.

This story about Taslima Nasreen is an excellent, concrete, up-to-the-minute example of what Islam-in-the-mass, Islam-on-the-ground, does to freedom of speech - even in India, a secular democracy with a large non-Muslim majority. Our politicians need their noses rubbed in it. Copy, scrapbook, label, print-out, and post, with brief covering letter.

Idris Ali,a Muslim politician, the fellow who organised the Kolkata violence protesting against Taslima's "insult" to Islam has finally been nabbed by the Kolkata cops.
If you ask for my personal opinion the Indian courts will never be able to punish the likes of Idris, who himself happens to be a lawyer.
He ought to have been handed over to a lynch mob who would do to him what the taliban did to the Afghan Najibullah - that would be his just dessert in accordance with his "sharia" laws.

Idris Ali,a Muslim politician, the fellow who organised the Kolkata violence protesting against Taslima's "insult" to Islam has finally been nabbed by the Kolkata cops.
If you ask for my personal opinion the Indian courts will never be able to punish the likes of Idris, who himself happens to be a lawyer.
He ought to have been handed over to a lynch mob who would do to him what the taliban did to the Afghan Najibullah - that would be his just dessert in accordance with his "sharia" laws.

Idris Ali,a Muslim politician, the fellow who organised the Kolkata violence protesting against Taslima's "insult" to Islam has finally been nabbed by the Kolkata cops.
If you ask for my personal opinion the Indian courts will never be able to punish the likes of Idris, who himself happens to be a lawyer.
He ought to have been handed over to a lynch mob who would do to him what the taliban did to the Afghan Najibullah - that would be his just dessert in accordance with his "sharia" laws.

perhaps we should start deporting them as well. time and time again that religion has shown its intolorence to others.

Darcy,

Personally I don't care for religion.
However your statement

"As for Hinduism, I don't know much about it, but I do know that I don't consider "Ganesha," the elephant god, to be real. And I *can* judge that."

If Hinduisim or any religion is true for the person who believes in it then what is your problem ? they are not forcing their beliefs down your throat.

It is a fact that Jesus was not a white man, with blond hair and blue eyes as depicted in the west I too *can* judge that, that does not mean that Christianity is false.
The idol is superficial, you have admitted
yourself that you don't know much about Hinduism, fine why don't you find out !

Islam is unique because of its hostility to all, I don't mind moslems killing each other it is when they do so to others and actually force their beliefs on others that offends me.

"You don't sound like a true "apostate" of Islam to me. A true "apostate" judges Islam to be false. Like Ali Sina. Who are you?"

I have been on JW for years do a bit of research.

Who am I ? non of your dammed business why do I have to explain myself to you ?

I have noticed a trend on JW where some posters consider Islam to be a threat only to the western, white european world. Well its not, my ancestors in India have known about Islam since about the 8th century.

If the 9/11 attacks had happened against China,Russia or India I don't think your monkey of a president would have announced a war on terror. If it had happened in India all those evangelicals would be full of praise for the devine punishment given to those Ganesh worshipping pagans.

If it had happened to China and China and taken military action against the Saudis and Taliban, I am sure US soldiers would be fighting against the Chinese shoulder to shoulder with the Saudis and Taliban.

Your religion is true to you and the religion of others is true to them, with Islam you are required to accept it or die. Hinduism couldn't be that bad to the people in India if they still believe it could it ?

As an Indian living in India, it makes my blood boil to see the state government of West Bengal and the federal government in New Delhi cave into the Islamists" demands in the interest of "communal harmony". What communal harmony, I ask? Have Muslims EVER lived in harmony with ANYONE, including other Muslims? Bloodletting is in their veins, reinforced by the primitive and barbaric teachings of Koran. I am both angry and sad that my country, 60 years after being partitioned along religious lines, is still acting like a dhimmi nation. It seems centuries of Islamic barbarism has so damaged the Hindu psyche that they cave into Muslim demands automatically. The politicians have sold the country to Muslim bullies under the garb of secularism, but in reality for vote bank politics. What we need in this country is another leader like the Maratha warrior king Shivaji who NEVER surrenderd to Muslims , fought them tooth and nail, and defeated them in his territory. We don't need another Gandhi who was a supreme dhimmi. The only thing Islamists respect is power, a power that can hit back hard. If I had my way in West Bengal, I would not only have ensured safety for Taslima Nasreen to stay on in Calcutta, I would have invited Salman Rushdie and Ayan Hirshi Ali to move there as well just to piss on the Islamists.

To Ian: whatever your opinions on Hinduism, I can' change them. But, Hinduism is secure enough in its beliefs that it does not need to proseletyse to covert others, like christianity and Islam do. It is only insecure religions that see a need to propagate their beliefs. Hinduism is liberal enough to recognize all other faiths as different paths to God. It does not claim to be exculsive or supremesist. The country has national holidays (too many in my opinion) to celebrate all major faiths, including christianity. Can you show me another country that does the same?

As an Indian living in India, it makes my blood boil to see the state government of West Bengal and the federal government in New Delhi cave into the Islamists" demands in the interest of "communal harmony". What communal harmony, I ask? Have Muslims EVER lived in harmony with ANYONE, including other Muslims? Bloodletting is in their veins, reinforced by the primitive and barbaric teachings of Koran. I am both angry and sad that my country, 60 years after being partitioned along religious lines, is still acting like a dhimmi nation. It seems centuries of Islamic barbarism has so damaged the Hindu psyche that they cave into Muslim demands automatically. The politicians have sold the country to Muslim bullies under the garb of secularism, but in reality for vote bank politics. What we need in this country is another leader like the Maratha warrior king Shivaji who NEVER surrenderd to Muslims , fought them tooth and nail, and defeated them in his territory. We don't need another Gandhi who was a supreme dhimmi. The only thing Islamists respect is power, a power that can hit back hard. If I had my way in West Bengal, I would not only have ensured safety for Taslima Nasreen to stay on in Calcutta, I would have invited Salman Rushdie and Ayan Hirshi Ali to move there as well just to piss on the Islamists.

To Ian: whatever your opinions on Hinduism, I can't change them. But, Hinduism is secure enough in its beliefs that it does not need to proseletyse to covert others, like christianity and Islam do. It is only insecure religions that see a need to propagate their beliefs. Hinduism is liberal enough to recognize all other faiths as different paths to God. It does not claim to be exculsive or supremesist. The country has national holidays (too many in my opinion) to celebrate all major faiths, including christianity. Can you show me another country that does the same?