Remember this the next time CAIR starts claiming protected victim status. From the FBI's site (thanks to Morgaan Sinclair) comes a table on hate crimes, from which I have taken here only the number of hate-motivated offenses committed in 2006 against each group. Be sure to look at the whole table at the FBI site.
Anti-Black 3,136
Anti-Jewish 1,027
Anti-White 1,008
Anti-Male Homosexual 881
Anti-Hispanic 770
Anti-Female Homosexual 192
Anti-Islamic 191
And keep in mind that CAIR and other organized Muslim groups have been urging Muslims right and left to complain of "hate crimes" at the slightest opportunity, and that, furthermore, there have been instances reported of such "hate crimes" being caused by would-be Muslim victims, or in some cases their non-Muslim sympathizers, themselves. Think, for example, of the "hate crime" of those posters put up at George Washington University, and attributed by a rush-to-judgement Administration to members of a campus conservative group, when it turned out that seven other students, intending to discredit a speech that was to be given as part of "Islamofascism Awareness Week," had made and put up the offending posters.
How many of those anti-Jewish, or anti-homosexual, "hate crimes," for example, were caused by Muslims? Not Muslims betraying the principles of Islam, but upholding them?
Can those figures be broken down to see the races or religious backgrounds of those doing the hate crimes?
ie caucasian european %
caucasian arab %
caucasian north african %
black %
arabic %
Asian
etc
would be interesting to see which race is carrying out hte most hate crimes.
you statistic (5 times more likely) is true as far it goes, but the number changes if you also consider how many Jews are in the United States (5-6 million?) and how many Muslims (less than half that).
And, I wonder how many of these 'hate-motivated' crimes against muslims are bogus ones?
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful,
Hugh;
'How many of those anti-Jewish, or anti-homosexual, "hate crimes," for example, were caused by Muslims? Not Muslims betraying the principles of Islam, but upholding them? '
Really?
In chapter 109, Verse 1, Holy Quran:
Say: O ye that reject Faith!
I do not serve that which you serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
The Holy Quran says, in Chapter 2, verse 256:
"There is no compulsion in religion. The right path has indeed become distinct from the wrong. So whoever rejects false worship and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All Hearing, All Knowing"
Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verses 113-114:
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. ''
Holy Quran, Chapter 49, verse 13:
"O mankind! [This includes all races and all nations] We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. ''
Holy Quran, Chapter 29, verse 46:
"And argue not with the People of the Scripture {Jews and Christians) unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.''
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I hope that answers your question. Imam Ali as, 'Commander of the Faithful', once said;
'People are divided into two groups. Either they are your brothers in faith, or your brothers in humanity.'
Leon the answer to your question would be black on black.
They are counting as anti-black the hanging of nooses.?? i don't agree with the sentiment, but how much pain does it really cause.
I suspect that a lot of the recent hate letters and anti-black crimes are from black muslems-possibly converted in jail. Especially the letter sent last week just before the protest about more hate crime legislation in Washington.
It was said to be from an inmate. They are not allowed to ask of they are muslem or not. There is one group that would benefit from anti-hate speech laws in this country.
I think there may be some link to the push poll phone calls about Romney's religion. go after the Mormons to get the door closed for asking or mentioning if a candidate is Muslem.
Let's construct, if we can, a similar list for all countries, Muslim and non-Muslim. How many Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan do you think have committed "hate crimes" against Muslims? One? None? And how many "hate crimes" have been committed by Christians against Muslims in Iraq, and Egypt, and Lebanon, and Algeria, and Indonesia? And how many threats and attacks, how many kidnappings of non-Muslim women, how many murders of non-Muslim men, how many attacks on churches and Christian schools, do you think have taken place, in Iraq, and Egypt, and Lebanon, and Algeria, and Pakistan and the Sudan and Indonesia and Turkey, and how many such attacks by Muslims on Hindus have taken place in Pakistan, and Bangladesh and even in India, and how many such attacks by Muslims on Buddhists, or Buddhist monuments and artifacts where there are no longer any Buddhists living, have taken place in Thailand, or in Afghanistan?
Someone good at marshalling statistics should provide a worldwide summary of "hate crimes" and publish them, with victims and perpetrators carefully identified, and keep that running count on the Internet where all can see.
I think we already know, at this site, what the result will be.
But let's make sure that everyone knows.
"2:256 - Let there be no compulsion in religion." from a post above.
How many times does this need to be refuted?
i) It was abrogated by more aggressive verses from chapter 9.
ii) Mohammed himself said, anyone who changes his religion kill him.
In the UK, the dhimmi Independent newspaper had an article about Christian homophobia accompanied by a blood stained Bible idicating Christian intolerance.
Someone did some research and found that 25% of attacks on homosexual men were committed by muslims who make up 3% of the population.
Will The Independent be showing a blood stained koran and an article on muslim homophobia? Not yet they haven't
The Unholy Logic of the Qurant:
Chapter 3, Verses 113-114:
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. ''
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Translation:
Jews and Christians are Okay if they're really practicing Muslims!!!
I have never heard a reliable definition of "hate motivated". These numbers mean nothing. Who believes that the evaluation of "hate motivated" is equally applied to white-on-black versus black-on-white crime, for example.
Frankly, I don't believe there should be any category in law called a "hate crime." A crime is a crime. What's in a persons mind when they commit a crime is a purely subjective judgment on the part of the beholder.
Even if you can prove with certainity that a person is motivated by hate when he commits a crime, how does that in any way change or enhance the crime?
Hate, no matter how illogical, is a thought process, and government has no business punishing people for what they think.
I stronly suspect that most of the statistics cited are bogus, and are based on noithing more than someone taking offense at the way someone looked at them in a supermarket or shopping mall.
Muslims are just learning to play the same game Blacks and other minorities have been playing in this country for years -- present a bunch of bogus statistics to a Congressional committee, and sit back and wait for another law to get passed combating hate.
Logic,
Every single one of the beautiful Qur'anic verses you quote is abrogated by another, coming later, that exonerates or encourages violence against non-Muslims. So why are you dissembling about that? What kind of PR jihad is this?
It's insulting. Muslims carried out 9/11 quoting Qur'anic verses in the hateful screed that have put out.
Anybody who has ANY QUESTION about this needs to read "The Al Qaeda Reader" by Raymond Ibrahim.
And, as always, I'm shocked by the arrogance of Muslims trying to convince Americans that all is just peachy-keen with the Islamic world, when last year Muslims killed 58,000 other Muslims in 20 countries because "the departed" were to peaceful, too cozy with people of other religions, or didn't treat women badly enough.
WHAT A CROCK! Meanwhile, Muslims kill Americans every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, telling us to leave. Then, when we try to leave, the governments of both countries beg us to stay.
Meanwhile, all this goodness and light translates to women beaten into cover all over the planet, a rape victim in Saudi Arabia getting 200 lashes for telling the press about it, Buddhist teachers in Thailand are being slashes, beheaded and burned, and you're over here in the USA playing real princely little Muslim flower-child instead of getting OVER THERE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS AND STRIAGHTENING OUT YOUR UGLY LITTLE VICIOUS BUDDIES WHO ARE QUOTING THE QUR'AN ALL THE WAY TO THEIR NEXT MARKET BOMBING, SO THEY CAN PRACTICE THE GENDERCIDE OF WIPING THE NEXT GENERATION OF CHILDREN AND PREVENTING THEIR MOTHER'S NEXT PREGNANCY.
You know, normally I can take a fair amount of this BS and still come on this board and make a case for moderate Islam, but your post is so disengenuous that it just makes me see red.
As Mustafa Akyol keeps pointing out to the apparently DEAF, 90% of the shari'a is based in the HADITH, so that's where your religions REALLY IS NOW, not in the beautiful Qur'anic verses you'd love to lull us -- and the beleagued Muslims of the world -- into believing is true.
It's a lie. It's just a lie.
And meanwhile, if you want to "stand up Islam" get your sniveling little behind over to Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia and fight Al Qaeda, or get over to Indonesia and Malaysia and Bangladesh where pluralism is dying faster than a sea jelly on hot, dry beach.
Your posts insults my intelligence, and it insults the Muslims standing up against dreadful threats in the most dangerous places in the world.
Meanwhile, your sleazy representative
Meanwhile ... your sleazy representative CAIR calls the arrest of every terrorist who winds up CONVICTED an act of racism and discrimination.
Have you people exactly *NO* honor at all?????
Don't answer that. I can't take any more of this BS right.
Greetings:
Several years ago, while on one of my Internet safaris, I came across the US Department of Justice's web site and the crime statistics it had published on murders in the US.
According to my analysis, a white person had 3-4 times the probability of being killed by a black person than a black person had of being killed by a white person. And this 3-4 times does not reflect the differences in the percentages of the general population of the two groups.
Since that time, I have only seen this statistic referred to in the mainstream media one time (US News and World Report). My conclusion is that these "hate crime" statistics are a ploy to pander to the various, favored "victimhood" groups, something CAIR has reinforced with its duplicitous annual reports.
What, no listing for anti-Islamophobe incidents?
A Muslim poster above, one "Logic," would have us believe, through his highly selective and misleading quotations from the Qur'an (and he could do the same, no doubt, with Hadith from Bukhari and Muslim), would have us deny what "our lying eyes" tell us as we consider the history of non-Muslim peoples -- Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists -- wherever they came under Muslim sway, and Muslim rule. He would have us ignore, or carefully never discover for ourselves, what can be found in articles at a thousand sites -- start with www.faithfreedom.org and www.answering-islam.org -- or in such books on the subject of the treatment of non-Muslims under Islam as three by Bat Ye'or, which are highly recommended, as important for all non-Muslims to read, and to thoroughly assimilate them, lest they be susceptible to the kind of propaganda that "Logic" offers above.
Tthere are thousands of articles as well as books by other scholars, especially during the Golden Age of Western Study of Islam, roughly 1870 to 1970, before the Great Inhibition descended, on the fate of non-Muslims under Islam. A very good one is that by the Lebanese Christian legal scholar Antoine Fattal -- "Le status legal des non-Musulmans en pays d'Islam" -- but it remains, as yet, untranslated into English (this should be some publishing house's priority project, or possibly funded by some intelligent Maecenas).
But because they are the work of the pioneering scholar who made the status of the dhimmi her speciality, I would recommend three books by Bat Ye'or to begin with:
1) "The Dhimmi"
2) "Islam and Dhimmitude"
3) "The Decline of Christianity Under Islam"
As for the execrable treatment of Zoroastrians under Islam, the histories of Mary Boyce, and even her memoir of living with the remaining Zoroastrian community in Iran during the time of the Shah, are recommended.
And for the treatment -- and mass murder (with 60-80 million victims) -- of Hindus by their Muslim masters, during Muslim rule in India, the work of K. S. Lal, including "The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India," are also recommended.
Instead of the verses quoted -- most misleadingly, including that old chestnut of the apologists for Islam, 2.256 -- "There is no compulsion in religion" -- a phrase which Muslim commentators gloss quite differently for their fellow Muslims from what the apologists tell or imply, by merely qauoting, it means to unwary Infidels, of whom there remain many, though fewer, thank god, every day (and they are prompted to engage in study of Islam -- not what the apologists and Muslim promoters of Da'wa offer, but the real Islam, the Islam that Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ali Sina and ibn Warraq and all the most intellectually and morally advanced people who, through no fault of their own, were born into Islma, have testified as to its real meaning, the meaning that Muslims give to the texts and the tenets, and that are reflected in their deeply-held attitudes, and that are in the very air, that are part of what may be called the atmospherics, of societies suffused with Islam, or even of discrete families or local groups suffused with Islam.
Finally, for those who would like a bit of the real Islamic view of Infidels, the Islam that "Logic" would prefer you not to become aware of, simply google for the full text of the Qur'an, and also for the Hadith, that can be found conveniently on-line, and you can then insert various words -- "Jew" and "Christian" and "Unbelieber" and find what the texts -- Qur'an and Hadith -- have to say.
You might, however, merely start with the Calcutta Koran Petition. See what Jihad-verses from the Qur'an are to be found there. Study them carefully. See what you think of the duty of Jihad, imposed on all Muslims, to spread Islam, to remove all barriers put up by non-Muslims to the spread of Islam (hint: the American Constituion constitutes a barrier to the spread of Islam, and especially, the individual rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights), and how this is defined by Muslims as Infidel "aggression" to which Muslims have a perfect right to respond in any way they see fit.
Yes, start with that Calcutta Koran Petition. And then go from the Qur'an -- as if that were not disturbing and menacing enough -- to the Hadith, those deemed most "authentic" by the most authoritative muhaddithin, Bukhari and Muslim, and then to the Sira. Don't forget the piquant tales, of little Aisha and Asma bint Marwan, of the decapitation of the Banu Qurayza, of the attack, for loot and women, on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, of the decepvite "treaty" of Al-Hudaibiyya, which became the model for all subsequent treaty-making between Muslims and non-Muslims. Don't forget that Muhammad is the Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, so that what he did matters, matters very much, through time and space.
"Logic" certainly thinks so. And as a good Muslim, he is simply being true to the letter and spirit of Muhammad's famous remark that "war is deception." Confuse the Infidels, or distract them, or keep them constantly off-guard, so that they never quite grasp what Jihad, what the subsequent subjugation of all non-Muslims, will mean -- as it has meant for hundreds of millions of non-Muslims in the past, over 1350 years of entirely consistent history of conquesdt and subjugtation -- for them, and for their children and grandchildren, unless they come to their collective seneses in time, and take the most obvious and elementary steps to protect themselves physically, and their own civilizations, their art, their science, their individual freedoms and rights, not any of which would remain the same if Muslims acquired dominance or anything close to dominance.
--and black people are attacks about three times as often as even Jews in the US! What's going on there?
@Logic
Why are you risking the wrath of Allah (your moon god) by hanging around here talking to us infidels. You need to read your own unholy book, the Korant:
Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Sura (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Sura (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."
Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people..."
Sura (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").
Sura (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."
Sura (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
The FBI site does have some statistics on offenders, but not by religious affiliation, so not particularly useful here. The stats for the 7,330 "known offenders" are:
58.6% white
20.6% black
5.7% multiracial
1.1% Asian/Pacific islander
1.0% Amerind/Alaskan native
12.9% are unknown
BTW, I don't know offhand how people of North African or West Asian descent are classified. Do Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis fall into Asian/Pacific islander? Are Egyptians and Algerians black?
Thank you, Hugh.
Thank you, YankeeDoodle.
Even Nihad Awad of CAIR has admitted their numbers are low.
See this post from April 2007:
http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/04/30/audio-from-cairs-meeting-on-6-imams-at-adams-center/
It includes the recorded audio (wma files) and transcripts from the April 27, 2007 CAIR briefing on the 6 Imams, at the Muslim ADAMS Center in Virginia. CAIR advertised the meeting as “Cair Hosts Town Hall Meeting on Airport Profiling.” The speakers were Nihad Awad, CAIR Executive Director, Khadija Athman, CAIR Civil Rights Manager for CAIR, and Imam Magid from the ADAMS Center.
In it Awad says (excerpts):
"There were 196 cases reported by the Justice Department for Muslims in civil rights cases. There were over 1008 cases reported by the Jewish faith. We need to do a much better job not only in recognizing our civil rights but also in reporting it to the government. Which is very critical and very important."
"And that is why, I think, this kind of program is important to the purpose of being able to inform the government official places …[garbled]."
[...]
"But the psyche of Muslims have to change. The laws are there, fortunately, but the laws are not utilized. They’re not understood and they’re not followed by the victimizers or the victims. So there’s a lot of ignorance about the law, and that’s why Muslims usually find themselves being mistreated or discriminated against. Reporting to an organization like CAIR is important, because it is empowering. It is empowering to the Muslims themselves who report, it is empowering to the organization, and it is important to the status of Muslims within the United States. Also it is a powerful tool and message to the government and the legislators, to those who make the laws in the country, to know that this phenomenon has to be dealt with, it has to be dealt with effectively, and results have to be seen…."
"The Department of Justice, in their annual report, don’t be surprised that if you feel Muslims are not treated well in the country, that the number of reports of incidents against Muslims or hate crimes is very low. Whereas the number of incidents and hate crime cases against the Jewish community is very very high. Maybe dozens of [incidents] against Muslims, but against Jews are in the thousands. But when you examine the situation you say, We really feel our community is more targeted. 54% - this is one of CAIR’s surveys - 54% of all Muslims surveyed said they had been subject to discrimination. 54% which if you put numbers down, we’re talking about tens of thousands of cases, not dozens, as is reported in the Justice Department’s annual report."
"So there’s a huge gap between where we are as a community and underreporting what goes on, and how we are perceived. So we go to Congress, and testify before Congress, our claim and our statement is weak, because a fair-minded Congressman will ask the question, “How many cases are we talking about?” Well, we’re talking about a few hundred cases. You give the specifics, and here’s an annual report by CAIR. How many cases are we talking about, well maybe 2000 cases. How many Muslims do we have in the United States? Well, we have 6 million. So if you divide 2000 over 7 million [sic], that’s very very small percentage."
"Which means Muslims are in good shape. Muslims are not treated badly. But if you ask (garbled) most Muslims nationwide, they will tell you an experience with discrimination. My interaction with Muslims nationwide tells me that most Muslims I know have encountered an incident or an experience with discrimination or mistreatment, whether subtlely or directly."
If they start keeping religiously motivated violence statistics, they have some ready-made numbers already collected at thereligionofpeace.com. They need to include "anti-kuffar" violence, and be more specific on backgrounds of offenders. Though they keep some data on offenders, what about religious beliefs? Into which group do the Arabs fall? I imagine Arab violence is grouped into White, as there is not a separate category for this.
I see from the list that "anti-female homosexual" is just above "anti-Islamic" so I wonder what Rosie O'Donnell and her ilk will do if Islam were to take over this country. Two groups with the loudest and most hypocritical public relations and the least to worry about. Kind of ironic that both groups can claim such intolerance and yet, they have the largest bullhorns spouting their cause and no one dare object.
'Anyone who changes his religion, kill him'. A muslims religion is embodied in the Quran and ahadith. The Quran is a manual of conduct by Allah, which is repetitively stated. Mohammad, the perfect man, shows the way, by thought and example.
Is there a way for a good muslim to alter Allah's word's, or ignore the perfect mans examples, and not 'change' the religion? To alter Islam in any way at all, is not only 'changing' the religion, it is apostasy as well, and would require the death penalty according to some. I have yet to hear how 'moderate muslims', or reformers, are going to get around that one. Since a muslims entire existence is centered around pleasing Allah, and getting into heaven, altering his word's, or ignoring them would be risky. This is basically putting themselves on the same level as Allah. It is putting their ego's above him. If you want to drink boiling water, this is the way to do it, alter 'Allah's religion'...
@Logic,
I think you have just been 'tased' bro.
Christine ...
The fact is that CAIR has encourage the reporting of even the SLIGHTEST thing that can possibly be construed as disciminatory.
For example, the Minnesota taxi drivers claimed they were DISCRIMINATED against because they were asked to accept drivers carrying seeing eye dogs.
Muslim college students claim they are disciminated against because taxpayers don't provide them footbaths when they wouldn't THINK of providing Catholics a little promenade with the Stations of the Cross.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HATE SPEECH, TRY THIS, CHRISTINE:
THERE WERE MORE THAN 1,000 HATE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST ROBERT SPENCER LAST YEAR, INCLUDING DEATH THREATS.
And those don't make it into the statistics, do they???
Personally, I think all these people ought to start suing the people who make these theats -- and the FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF HATE SPEECH -- a false accusation BEING hate speech -- until they stop playing games.
Muslims are not "disciminated against" in this society. They are distrusted in this society because they do nothing to stop the real problems (beheadings, forcing women into cover, discrimination against non-Muslims, preaching hate in mosques, and the like) ... and instead, instead, instead scream discrimination and hate speech like some bitch accusing a man of rape in a lie.
Actually, my comment was meant to show that CAIR admits that these numbers are low behind closed doors, not publicly.
That audio was recorded by an attendee at the meeting who had to go in disguise to gain entry. It was in a prayer roon/mini-Mosque in a community center (this is quite common), and prayers were held between Awad's first speech and his second.
I provided the information not to contest these statistics, but to the contrary, to show that under conditions where Awad thinks he is speaking only to a sympathetic audience, he then will admit that the numbers are low.
He has never said anything like this publicly.
I recommend visiting the link and reading the complete transcript.
Christine, thanks for the statement from CAIR. The speaker seems unaware of the difference between a hate crime -- substantiated, to some degree, by a law enforcement investigation -- and a self-reported instance of "discrimination" which may or may not be actionable but which is in any case not classified as a hate crime. (The FBI definition of a hate crime is "a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias".)
Logic & Christine ...
Please explain the following in light of the equality of the Qur'an and why they are still validated hadith in the shari'a of several schools of Islam:
"Women are imperfect in intellect and religion."
"The best of women are those who are like sheep."
"If a woman doesn't satisfy her husband's desires, she should choose herself a place in hell."
"If a husband's body is covered with pus and his wife licks it clean, she still wouldn't have paid her dues."
"Your prayer will be invalid if a donkey, black dog or a woman passes in front of you."
These are among the hadith declared ILLEGAL in Turkey last year in an effort to clean up Islam, because Muslims refused to do it themselves.
Thanks, Christine. I misunderstood your intent here, and I apologize.
CAIR's extremely low numbers haven't affected its power: It's running on $50 mil from Prince Alwaleed, and the eagle (or riyal) screams.
Karl Pov ...
For all government purposes, all people of Middle Eastern origin (Egyptian, Saudi, Pakistani, Lebanese, Jordanian, Iraqi, Afghani, Iranian, etc.) are classified as WHITES.
Karl -
That speaker is Nihad Awad, head of CAIR, and he was accompanied by their legal counsel at the meeting. He's entirely aware of the difference; he is consciously trying to deny the difference.
I think CAIR has made it a continual tactic to treat any form of criticism of Islam or Islamists as "hate speech," and treat all criticism as "incitement" (just see their website encouraging people to report these - begging for reports, actually). They encourage any perceived slight or act of discrimination to be seen as a hate crime, and call for FBI and local police investigations without exception. It is of course an ongoing tactical part of the "legal" jihad, and much of it is all about building a case for left-wing/Islamist legislation that criminalizes any speech that is critical of Islam, and that conflates this alleged "hate speech" with "hate crimes." The exact same strategy is ongoing in Europe,just further along with the cooperation of the European Union, who incorporates it into their "anti-discrimination" legal apparatus.
Jews are five times more likely to suffer hate crimes.
Muslims make up .8 percent of the population.
Jews make up 2.2 percent.
So, if you break it down, were the two populations equal, Jews would still be attacked with much greater frequency.
Blacks make up 13.4 percent of the total population.
Jews make up 2.2 percent of the total population.
Blacks are attacked three times more often than Jews.
Were the populations equivalent, Jews would be attacked at a far higher rate than blacks.
"Were the populations equivalent, Jews would be attacked at a far higher rate than blacks.
Posted by: pastorius "
...yes indeed.....
Morgaan,
Sorry just re-read your post on the verses from some of the Hadith. I'm very interested in the fact that Turkey declared any part of any of the Hadith illegal. Can you direct me to a link? Thanks much.
What about black Jews?
1073 is the total acts against gays. Why have their not been large organized protests against islam by this group? That community protests constantly for various issues.
I have seen protests to support gay marriage galore but nothing against the evils of islam why?
Various liberal groups like moveon.org have made sure that the party line is followed.
Some (I said SOME not all so dont jump down my throat about this) liberals are truly pathetic.
This also give us some idea about high and ever growing percentage of cowards among us in this country. Cowards who take it out on Jews who are seen as easy targets. The Jews who do not riot or blow themselves up. At the same time, cowards don't mess with Muslims because they fear Muslims. There is an epidemic of cowardice spreading throughout this so-called "home of the brave". No wonder jury after jury of American cowards keep acquitting jihadists, not because they don't believe the defendants are terrorists, but because they know they are terrorists and are afraid that their comrades will find out where the jurors live and will go after them and their families, which happens all the time considering terrorists "lawers" such as the obscene Lynne Stewart who aided her terrorist client in murder, or the rabid, openly jihadist Ghassan Elashi who so easily intimidated the 12 Dallas jury cowards into acquitting Holy Land Foundation, an enormous, powerful Global Jihad syndicate that aids murder world wide. The jury system is bankrupt in this country, with the citizenry as cowardly as ours. We are almost down to the EUrabia sewer, which is not surprising considering the kinds of cowards we have in charge. Fish rots from the head. Ever since the Democrat primary voters had committed a horrible blunder 31 years ago chosing Carter over the great Henry "Scoop" Jackson, we only had cowards-in-chief in the White House. Look at Baby Bush, the latest one. Totally demoralized by the 2 losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, he has no guts left to take on Iran, and has apparently settled into whiling away the remaining year of his failed presidency. Meanwhile, 3,000 centrifuges in Iran keep spinning 24/7, and Hezbollah suicide bomber cells are all over this country waiting for the Iranian nukes to be smuggled in, and then Holocaust us with zero warning time. What use are all our enormous arsenals of weaponry if the will at the top to defend this country is lacking? We desperately, desperately, desperately need a man in the White House. We cannot afford to repeat the horrible blunder of 1976.
Vote for Rudy and pray it is not too late.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
One difficulty is the definition of "innocent" in the Muslim understanding. Islamic teaching does not count non-Muslims as innocent. All non-believers are in the "house of war" (fair game) and only those in the umma (world wide Muslim community) are truly innocent. Therefore, acts of violence against non-believers is not understood as a crime,since their victims were not defined as innocent.
PS and for the record I do support most of their protests to get various rights, even gay marriage but I want them , hell I want everybody, to have one huge rally against radical islam. We need to put differences aside and unite against this civilization destroying threat. I have an uncle in the US who works for a large metro police dept and says defacing of jewish gravestones happens regularly but in recent years theyve been spray painting muslm catch phrases. Its sad. I also have a few muslim friends (ismalis) who detest what the jihadists are doing. One of them wanted to start a blog but was too scared they would find where he lives and do some hate crimes on him or his family. He lives in a sunni dominated area of the city.
Hugh says:
"How many of those anti-Jewish, or anti-homosexual, "hate crimes," for example, were caused by Muslims? Not Muslims betraying the principles of Islam, but upholding them?"
I agree with Hugh that is the chilling aspect of this. Its in the quran/hadiths after all.
One difficulty is the definition of "innocent" in the Muslim understanding. Islamic teaching does not count non-Muslims as innocent. All non-believers are in the "house of war" (fair game) and only those in the umma (world wide Muslim community) are truly innocent. Therefore, acts of violence against non-believers is not understood as a crime,since their victims were not defined as innocent.
One difficulty is the definition of "innocent" in the Muslim understanding. Islamic teaching does not count non-Muslims as innocent. All non-believers are in the "house of war" (fair game) and only those in the umma (world wide Muslim community) are truly innocent. Therefore, acts of violence against non-believers is not understood as a crime,since their victims were not defined as innocent.
oops my mistake I assumned it was hate crimes against various groups by muslims. There is another site that lists that I read last night I thought this was a similar chart. //only 191 attacks against muslims? but I thought the whole west was supposed to be, like CAIR says. "extremely intolerant" of islam? Hmm if that was true wouldnt millions of americans and others do more hate crimes against muslims instead of only a couple of 100?
Enragedsince1999
"Cowards who take it out on Jews who are seen as easy targets. The Jews who do not riot or blow themselves up. At the same time, cowards don't mess with Muslims because they fear Muslims."
I think you are correct, there is always alot of hatred against jewish people whose only faith says to live in peace with others around you, not to blow them up.
Christine ...
http://www.thewhitepath.com/archives/2006/07/a_feminist_islamic_reform_in_turkey.php
~or~
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401381.html
Remember that in Turkey there is no freedom of religion in Islam. There is a STATE form of Islam that is taught in schools (an early attempt to prevent Wahhabi control at the time Ataturk invented the country). But the Kemalists never took any action over these hadith. Erdogan (the Islamist) actually did this. It's good, but it may also mean that if you toss a woman a crumb like this she won't ask for the whole cake.
Pastorius is correct that, per capita, Jews suffer a higher rate of hate crimes than to blacks. The numbers down to about 2:1 but it used to be closer to 3:1.
I'm guessing that the crimes here are referring to actual crimes, as it seems to be a compilation from law enforcement agencies.
One interesting point is that you go check out hate crimes for Wyoming in 1998, you'll find that there were 3 or 4 hate crimes that year. (That's a much lower rate than you see in more progressive states such as California or NY.) But you'd never know it given the attention given to the killing of Matthew Shepard.
Enragedsince1999:
Reagan was no coward. If Rudy can convince voters he is half as good as Reagan, Rudy will win.
191 out of 303,400,000. Let see, that's WHAT percent of the population? Noooooo the HORROR!
JSobieski:
Carter was Smiley the Clown, and Reagan was Phony the Clown. He proved to be an even worse coward than Carter, but wore an expression of a tough cowboy permanently painted on his face. He sent Marines to Beirut to expell victorious Israel from it, and to let all jihadists back in - all to kiss-up to the Muslims. Instead of a thank-you, Hezbollah blew the Marines up, and also 3 US embassies for the good measure. Reagan ordered the surviving Marines to just run away. Hezbollah than took scores of Americans hostage and held them for 7 years, a lot longer than Carter's hostage crisis. The only thing coward Reagan did to Iran and Hezbollah was awarding them prizes for mass-murders of Americans in advanced US weaponry of the terrorists' choice. Even Carter did not pay Iran off. On May 28,1998, bin Laden told ABC's John Miller that he was encouraged by Reagan's and Clinton's cowardice in running away from Beirut and Moghadishu respectfully, and that he intended to inflict even greater casualties on Americans to make them similarly run away from his native Saudi Arabia. There is a direct line running from Beirut, 10/23/83 to 9/11/01, and Americans are beginning to realize it only now.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
The only times I've ever seen anything labeled as a hate rime is when a white person does something anyone of another race.
Years ago, two black men kidnapped and repeated raped my aunt and 14 year old cousin. Maybe charging them with a hate crime in addition to kidnapping and rape would have added a few more years to the sentence they're serving in prison. Alas, I never heard that mentioned when charges were filed.
The hate crimes labelling only serves to create a "protected species" classification for certain peoples, and thus allow them to do basically whatever they want without criticism or punishment from anyone else. In short, it's intention (and only purpose) is to shut up anyone who disagrees with their illegal, immoral, or deviant behavior.
I ask myself what constitutes a "hate crime".
For instance, around 3,000 hates crimes were committed in a single day back in September of 2001- were they classified as such? The five people murdered by Talovic in Utah; the murders committed by John Muhammed and Lee Malvo in DC and the list could go on- were those listed as hate crimes?
Why am I doubting it?
Reagan was justifiably focused on winning the Cold War, which he did. Taking on and defeating two global threats is asking for more than any human leader has delivered. Neither Churchill nor FDR did much against the USSR while WWII was going on. In fact, FDR through Stalin quite a few strategic bones in a way that was totally unecessary.
Reagan was a friend of Israel. It was the desire to help Israel which resulted in the troups being placed in Beirut.
The name Carter should not be used in the same sentence as the name Reagan unless one is contrasting opposites.
We need our next President to implement a full-court press on Jihad in many of the same ways Reagan did against the Soviets. Too bad Cap isn't around to give some pointers.
When are we going to see 'Love Crimes'?
Like when Democrats 'Love' our enemies more than they do Americans.
since when did islamic become a race? some people are just to ignorant for their own good
I posted this at AOL.
All hate crimes are an abomination.
“Also in 2006, religious bias was blamed for 18.9 percent of the incidents;”
(AOL Reportage)
As usual, AOL reportage leaves out important information. The exact numbers are as follows:
Anti-Black 3,136
Anti-Jewish 1,027
Anti-White 1,008
Anti-Male Homosexual 881
Anti-Hispanic 770
Anti-Female Homosexual 192
Anti-Islamic 191
The current population of the U.S. is just slightly over 300,000,000. African-Americans make up roughly 13 ½% of the population. Jewish-Americans make up roughly 2% of the U.S. population.
There are many un-written stories in this reportage. One of them is the very high percentage of hate crimes against Jews. Jews experienced 1 attack for every 29,000. African-Americans experienced one attack for every 95,000. Based upon their percentage of the U.S population, Jews suffer three times more attacks than do African-Americans.
Why can’t the “highly educated” newsroom at AOL educate their readers about the Anti-Semitism statistics?
Has Anti-Semitism become unworthy of reportage?
"IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HATE SPEECH, TRY THIS, __________:
THERE WERE MORE THAN 1,000 HATE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST ROBERT SPENCER LAST YEAR, INCLUDING DEATH THREATS."
Absolutely priceless. I can't wait for my first opportunity to use this one.
Nice quotable anti-taqiyya rant, too, Morgaan.
If Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, homosexuals or anyone other non-Muslims behaved in Muslim nations the way Muslims behave in the US, Canada or Europe, there would be mass murder of the offenders.
Yet despite all of the killings, intimidation, Muslim hate crimes, lawsuits, etc. perpetrated by Muslims against non-Muslims in the US, there is an almost insignificant number of "hate crimes" committed against Muslims. Of these, there is no doubt that that many of the reported anti-Muslim hate crimes are fabricated, considering how CAIR et al. encourages so many Muslims to report the "wrong look" as a hate crime, much less the flying Imams and similar provocations.
Americans should be very proud of themselves for being among the most tolerant and forgiving of all people on Earth. In a way, we are too non-judgmental. Despite the war being waged against the US by outright jihadis to legal jihadis like CAIR and friends, we are friendly and open and hospitable. Perhaps we should not tolerate those in our midst who wish to not only take advantage of our good will but use it in an effort to defame and destroy us.
It would be more interesting to have a statistic on fake hate crimes against Muslims, because the numbers of self-inflicted firebombings of Muslim establishments at one time had insurance-companies refuse coverage for Muslim owned businesses. The amount of insurance-fraud in Europe committed by Musulmania is staggering.
All part of the jihad, folks...
from Christine's post:
CAIR's Nihad Awad said:
"There were 196 cases reported by the Justice Department for Muslims in civil rights cases. There were over 1008 cases reported by the Jewish faith. We need to do a much better job not only in recognizing our civil rights but also in reporting it to the government. Which is very critical and very important."
Why does CAIR spend so much time encouraging muslims to report civil rights violations to the government, but so little time telling them it is their duty as muslim Americans to report suspected terrorist activity to the police? We all know the answer to that one.
sheikyermami - you are probably better informed than me, so rather than wandering about the swamps with google in hand, I will simply ask you: does anyone in Australia keep tabs of actual, physical attacks (e.g. gravesite desecrations, offensive slogans and other 'labelled' and targeted [i.e. not random vandal] damage to homes, businesses, synagogues, temples, mosques, churches, sacred sites, and assaults on the person that involve religious and/or racial slander) against Jews/ Aboriginals/ Muslims/ Euro-Australians, Chinese, etc., in Australia? What's the picture here? And have there been changes?
pastorius - I enjoyed your analyses. I am married to a statistician who gave me "How To Lie With Statistics" to read, and so I am aware that figures of every kind (together with the methods of obtaining them) must be viewed with a certain healthy caution.
Oh yes, and another question for sheik yermami. You wrote, above:
"the numbers of self-inflicted firebombings of Muslim establishments at one time had insurance-companies refuse coverage for Muslim owned businesses. The amount of insurance-fraud in Europe committed by Musulmania is staggering."
Could you please give your specific sources for the information about insurance companies refusing coverage, re firebombings (in the USA? Australia? Europe?) and for the 'staggering' amount of insurance fraud committed by Muslims in Europe? It would be nice to have, say, the particular article from the finance reporter, or the business magazine, or wherever you found this juicy stuff.
Or do you by any chance have a 'contact' who works in the insurance industry?
If one wishes to write a letter to, say, one's local Member, alluding to unpleasant facts about the Peaceful People, it is necessary to be able to cite a reputable source with chapter and verse, that can be checked and verified by the recipient or his/ her staffers, rather than anecdotal evidence.
"Muslims are just learning to play the same game Blacks and other minorities have been playing in this country for years -- present a bunch of bogus statistics to a Congressional committee, and sit back and wait for another law to get passed combating hate."
I am disgusted with the way people here have trivialized hate crimes committed against blacks. There is NOTHING bogus about the statistics. African-Americans DO face racism--a lot of it. Don't trivialize their plight just to score a point against Islam.
"We need our next President to implement a full-court press on Jihad in many of the same ways Reagan did against the Soviets. Too bad Cap isn't around to give some pointers."
Too bad "The Cap" didn't "implement a full-court press" against JIHAD. Instead he ASSISTED it.
Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2007 2:05 PM
@Logic,
I think you have just been 'tased' bro.
Hahahahah, classic! :-)
In Atlanta, a man was charged with a hate crime against blacks for putting sticky notes all over a statue of a black rapper???
I guess I should have called the police and hollered hate crime last week when a black woman twice my size threw her hands up in the air narrowly missing my face because I walked between her and the dryer she was using in a laundromat. After all I was clearly violating her 'space' by going to get my clothes out of my washer.
Not so HAHA
In today's spin on these statistics from Mahdi Bray, earning his keep from all those petrodollars, see here: http://mahdibray.com/2007/11/19/fbi-reports-upsurge-in-hate-crimes/
Always good to know how the adversaries are spinning it.
"This report uncovers a troubling trend of rising hate crimes that has been made evident by the recent string of noose-hangings and swastika paintings on campuses across America. It was one of the reasons that the Muslim American Society joined with other organizations in Uniting Against Hate on college campuses across America."
"These are the statistics from the Department of Justice and they show an increase in hate crimes; but we should be aware of the fact that under the Bush Administration the DOJ has been very lax in its prosecution of hate crimes and discrimination and even with this nonchalant attitude towards issues of racial justice the DOJ is reporting an upsurge in hate crimes"
Its true that Muslims whine about nothing. However, these FBI statistics have to be taken with a rather large grain of salt. There is a bias in classifying crimes as hate crimes. Black on white crime is almost always considered economic, while the same crimes committed by whites against blacks have a very good chance of being labeled hate crimes. It is also the case that if a Hispanic commits a hate crime he is labeled as white.
RoobartSbunsar:
I suppose you would blame George Washington for assisting French interests and making Napoleon all the more deadly?
I seem to remember a pretty serious naval battle against Iran (the largest navy battle since WWII) occurring during the Reagan presidency---but I suppose under your view of the world, that helped Iran?
and FYI, Cap tried to convince Reagan NOT to put troups in Lebanon.
Why defame Cap?
"In July the United States, Italy, and France contributed troops to a Multinational Force (MNF) to supervise the PLO's departure from Beirut and help stabilize internal politics in Lebanon. Weinberger had not favored U.S. participation, consistent with his view that troops should be committed only when vital to U.S. interests and with clearly defined objectives."
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/weinberger.htm
Why defame Cap?
"In July the United States, Italy, and France contributed troops to a Multinational Force (MNF) to supervise the PLO's departure from Beirut and help stabilize internal politics in Lebanon. Weinberger had not favored U.S. participation, consistent with his view that troops should be committed only when vital to U.S. interests and with clearly defined objectives."
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/weinberger.htm
Dumbledore's army -
I don't know about figures for other groups, but figures for anti-Semitic incidents are kept by the ECAJ (Executive Council of Australian Jewry).
They are very careful to define anti-Semitic incidents vs random assaults (ie people who target Jews qua Jews rather than just being a person in the wrong place at the wrong time, if you get my drift).
www.ecaj.org.au
We, too have local Muslim organisations who beg that people report "hate incidents". I wonder if that includes the rising number of assaults and hate speech (not to mention mosque-based hate caterwauling) against Jews here.