The imam in question is Imam Musa, the Washington, D.C., Muslim leader who wants to establish an "Islamic State of North America" no later than 2050.
"Guard Accused of Hiding Ties to Imam," by Stephen Manning for AP (thanks to Marked Manner):
GREENBELT, Md. (AP) — A former security guard at Andrews Air Force Base who failed to put his Muslim name on a job application was trying to conceal his ties to a controversial Washington imam, federal prosecutors said Tuesday.U.S. District Court jurors began hearing the case against Darrick Michael Jackson, who failed to list "Abdul-Jalil Mohammed" as an alias on an application for a job at the suburban Washington base, home to Air Force One.
Jackson's attorney, David Chamble, said that Jackson used the Mohammed name only while at mosque or with Muslim friends, and that he didn't consider it a true alias that he needed to disclose. Chamble called it "an innocent omission" and excoriated the government for pursing criminal charges against Jackson.
Jackson is charged with making a false statement and could face five years in prison if convicted.
He already was a security guard at Andrews when he reapplied in 2005 after the contract for security at the base changed. He had to fill out a federal form, which asked whether he had any aliases.
At the time, he was affiliated with the Masjid Al-Islam mosque in southeast Washington, which is led by a fiery imam named Abdul Alim Musa. Musa is not on trial in the case, but prosecutors said Jackson tried to hide his ties to Musa and the mosque to avoid an investigation that might have led to the denial of his application.
Federal prosecutor David Salem told jurors, without elaborating, that Musa "has made some inflammatory statements about the United States." He told jurors the government was not pursuing the case because of Jackson's religion....
War is deceit
No later than 2050? Obviously, no one has taken into account 2012?
No later than 2050? Obviously, no one has taken into account 2012?
Barbarian past the gate.
I guess it's time for Homeland Security or someone to go back and recheck every person working in sensitive positions.
We're sorry. All of our agents are currently busy. Please hold the line until the next available representative is available. Thank you and have a nice day. For Spanish, press 2.
This fellow should apply for a position with the CIA. Security clearances would be his for the asking...
Jackson is charged with making a false statement and could face five years in prison if convicted.
The authorities will do everything possible to avoid jail time for this guy. After all, Islam is a religion and also a benign belief system, so what harm could Mr. Abdul-Jalil Mohammmed have possibly meant?
Think about it, when this Afro-American reverted to Islam, he took care to name himself after Mohammed, who has been called "the Holy Prophet" by George and Condi, and even more powerful figures, such as Tim Russert.
So his alias is completely innocent, even positive.
It is so hard to get good help these days.
There was a time when we knew what to do with spies and enemies.
OT, A QUESTION FOR ROBERT AND THE FORUM :-
Apologies for the off topic post.
I need a copy of the Koran that cannot be questioned by anyone. I currently have a copy by a British scholar, but, whenever I quote from it, I am told by muslims and non-muslims alike that whatever it says is not true, as it is "not translated corrrectly, it was translated by a non-muslim".
I need one translated into English by someone who absolutely cannot be accused of translating it for the purposes of "portraying islam in a bad light".
This obviously causes me great problems when I try and point out the less than peaceful suras.
Any help would be much appreciated.
@DaveMate
It doesn't get much more Mohammedan than this:
http://www.amazon.com/Noble-Quran-Muhammad-M-Khan/dp/1567444997
Dave, online reference at USC: MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts.
Thankyou Ynkedoodl2,
can anyone else confirm this?
Sorry Ynkedoodl12, it's not that I don't believe you, but I need confirmation. I need to be able to quote without any suggestion that that the translation is in any way questionable.
We have Islam awareness week in east london at the moment, I need to shut down all argument.
Again, thank you Ynkedoodl2. No offense meant.
DaveMate,
It doesn't matter what translation of the Quran you use, you can never argue with a Muslim about Islam. Everything you say will be "hate speech."
Read the reviews on Amazon about the translation recommended by Ynkedoodl2. The first review is most telling.
First, the reviewer writes:
"...this is a translation you need to invest in. This is the version that is published in and distributed (usually for free) by the government of Saudi Arabia. If you wish to understand the Wahhabi interpretation of Islam, this is the translation."
Then he/she writes:
"Again, if you wish to understand Islam better, especially the more 'fundamendalist' (i.e. no nonsense) understanding, this translation is a must have. On an aside, I would balance it out with some other versions (for example, Muhammad Asad and Yusuf Ali) to get a 'feel' for the diversity of how the Quran is understood and presented to non-Arabic speaking people. "
Nice to know they have "special" interpretations for non-Arabic speaking people.
Then, five years later the reviewer updates the review to say this:
"While I stand by the original review, I have honed my senses a bit more and realize the deficiencies - and dangers - of this translation. It represents a very common translation that is very common throughout the U.S. Those free Qur'ans you see online? This is most likely the one you'll get.
What prompted the update was a book I just read by Khaled M. Abou Fadl called Conference of the Books and was so moved I had to include his words in this review.
In his chapter called "Corrupting God's Book" he takes this particular translation to task, calling it a "Trojan-horse" of a translation that is found in nearly every Islamic store or center in the U.S., noting that it has "the appearance of a translation" that takes "gross liberties" in translating the text. Not only are the Qur'anic verses spun to the Wahhabi understanding, so too the hadith-reports contained in the footnotes are "grossly corrupted."
As you can see, you don't stand a chance, no matter what translation you use.
But good luck. And watch your back.
ty cumulusnine. The "noble quran" is the copy in my local library. Where I live is VERY muslim, so I guess that's the baby.
TY all
DaveMate:
Please let us know how unassailable that translation turns out to be.
I for one am curious.
Ol' dimwit Bush Jr. is giving them an Islamic state in America NOW.
DaveMate:
Here is a quick explanation for what you are experiencing trying with your discussions about the Kuran.
The responses you have been getting from Muslims are known as "taqiyya" under Islamic doctrine.
Muslims are PROHIBITED from telling the truth to th kaffir about anything. In short, the non-Muslim is to be kept in the dark about islam and that is done by LYING to the unbeliever (YOU); thus you are told that the Kuran you are reading is wrong, inaccurate, poorly translated, etc. etc.
Assuredly, there is nothing wrong with the Kuran(s) you have been reading. You have been manipulated into thinking there is. NOW--
As for the non-Muslims you encounter who tell you the same thing, these people generally have accepted the fabrications and distortions the Muslims have been telling them, among them that only ARABIC Kurans are reliable. Since most people are too lazy to investigate the lies told to them by Muslims (to see if they are being lied to) they do not realize that they have been lied to and end up passing along those lies to persons such as yourself. This is a very common phenomena.
It won't matter WHICH Kuran you use when you discuss anything Islamic to a Muslim. You are 'kaffir' and your Kuran will ALWAYS be wrong (even if it's the same one the MUSLIMS use).
War against the unbeliever (YOU) is deception or "taqiyya."
DaveMate:
Here is a quick explanation for what you are experiencing trying with your discussions about the Kuran.
The responses you have been getting from Muslims are known as "taqiyya" under Islamic doctrine.
Muslims are PROHIBITED from telling the truth to th kaffir about anything. In short, the non-Muslim is to be kept in the dark about islam and that is done by LYING to the unbeliever (YOU); thus you are told that the Kuran you are reading is wrong, inaccurate, poorly translated, etc. etc.
Assuredly, there is nothing wrong with the Kuran(s) you have been reading. You have been manipulated into thinking there is. NOW--
As for the non-Muslims you encounter who tell you the same thing, these people generally have accepted the fabrications and distortions the Muslims have been telling them, among them that only ARABIC Kurans are reliable. Since most people are too lazy to investigate the lies told to them by Muslims (to see if they are being lied to) they do not realize that they have been lied to and end up passing along those lies to persons such as yourself. This is a very common phenomena.
It won't matter WHICH Kuran you use when you discuss anything Islamic to a Muslim. You are 'kaffir' and your Kuran will ALWAYS be wrong (even if it's the same one the MUSLIMS use).
War against the unbeliever (YOU) is deception or "taqiyya."
DaveMate-- just to add to the helpful suggestions above: Click on "Robert Spencer" in the tabs along the top of the page; one of the items in the FAQ mentions Qur'an translations.
The USC-MSA site is a great resource. Plus, it's hard for someone to charge that a Muslim Student Association is compiling twisted and out-of-context items to make Islam look bad. Another one with more translations to choose from is quranbrowser.org . (The Hilali-Khan translation mentioned above is also available online, and can be found in several places, including here.)
Short of delving into the Arabic text, I think being familiar with more than one translation, at least on prominent and controversial verses, is the best defense against accusations of taking things out of context, using a biased or defective translation, etc.
That said, one translation that handily dodges a number of the diversionary tactics you mentioned is that of Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall (available at the USC-MSA site). He was a convert to Islam-- certainly not out to make it look bad-- who died in 1936. His translation was apparently approved by al-Azhar, and predates the petrodollar-funded flood of Wahabi literature around the world. And yet, his translation still says to beat your wife (4:34), slay the "idolators" wherever you find them (9:5), and so on.
Still, being able to point to more than one translation helps deflect the charge that, aside from people with bad intentions twisting the words of the Qur'an and taking things out of context, 9:5, for example, really says to hug the unbeliever, pat him on the head, and call him George wherever you find him. (One can also make the argument that if any translation of the Qur'an is automatically so defective, could any be used in good conscience to proselytize?)
Beyond that, a bit of familiarity with traditional commentary (e.g., Tafsir al Jalalayn) will also help you make the point that the unpleasant aspects of the Qur'an and ahadith that some apologists would try to deny are 1.) authentic Islamic teachings, 2.) have been around for centuries, and 3.) are not a new invention of al-Qaeda, the Wahabis, or bored Zionists.
I think I'm going to print out Marisol's posting jsut above for myself, and then copy it, and send as an attachment to all kinds of people. You might consider doing the same. There is nothing Al-Qaradawi, and CAIR, and Tariq Ramadan, and the Sheik Al-Azhar, and the Al-Saud, and John Esposito, and half the members of MESA, fear more, than your finding out what you can find out, if you click on the links provided in the posting above, and read, and re-read. It terrifies them. They don't know how to stop it. They don't know what to do.
So do it.
Hugh, Marisol, and others, also please note the weasel words on the USC-MSA website:
"On this Web site, there are three translations of the Qur'an. Note that any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. In fact, each of the translations on this site is actually an interpretation which has been translated. The first-time reader is strongly advised to read the introduction to the translations we have made available. Corrections and suggestions are appreciated."
The bold font is my notation. This is exactly why it is so difficult to discuss Islam with these creatures. ("an interpretation which has been translated!!!!")
Everywhere.
Everywhere there are Muhammedans in the security services. Why? Everywhere in Europe, in Australia, and we're not doing anything about it!
If this is not infiltration I don't know what is. We are being totally underwandered, totally.
Other news: New treats against Geert Wilders:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/11/28/dutch-cabinet-fears-geert-wilders-anti-koran-film/
Back on topic
Andrews is the airport the Prez's plane lands at.
We may not like some of his policies, but we don't want him dead. Presumably Nancy Pelosi's private jet lands there too. It behooves congress to get off their butts and do something about security in this country and soon.
OT The Saudi's have announced they have rounded up 208 "Terrorists". Not clear if they are merely re-running the same bunch from earlier this year.
How come they get to call them terrorists but no one over here is supposed to.
Also ABC channel 2 in Atlanta is going after the "prayer in the House of Reps. Immam" and they are going to show him looking at some of his own videos tonight at six. They keep running the video where he calls the USA the most evil govt. in history. Cool.
Steve Emerson is involved in this.
Of course he says he has changed his tune now, so go back to sleep.
Aunt Bea, I think a terrorist arrested in Saudi Land is arrested because of the threat to the ruling princes, or a terrorist who can be linked directly to the Saudi Govt. Bin Laden many years ago stated his desire to overthrow the ruling Suadis and replace them with the Bin Laden Princes. He didn't actualy say that he wanted the Bin Ladens in power, that's Pelayo sarcasm.
For the Aussies who are interested:
Griffith university has a 10 million dollar da'awa centre which distributes Koran's. WoJ cartoonist Shem just received his a month ago, it was signed by catmeat sheik Hilali and printed with the blessings of the King Fahd academy, which means Saudi money backing these efforts.
Which version would they be using, Robert/Hugh?
Picktall, Yusuf Ali or what?
Thanks pelayo, I was just being sarcastic when I asked that.
I saw a book last year that said that the Sauds had the oil fields hardwired for nuclear explosions if they get taken over by a bunch of their "own".
Did everybody hear that Google with lots of money and no debt is investing tons toward clean and renewable energy? They are using technology that I was familiar with years ago when I typed my ex-electrical engineer husband's college papers in the 70's.
Back in the days of Star Trek Next Gen. I used to joke that the only reason we don't travel by transporter is that we need some (then) twelve year old who didn't think it was impossible, just that we hadn't invented the right machine yet.
They're Here!
From the article:
I realize that is just a badly worded quote, but I believe it to be true that there are many cases that the government is not pursuing because of the perpetrator's religion....
"....I think I'm going to print out Marisol's posting jsut above for myself, and then copy it, and send as an attachment to all kinds of people. ..."
...me too!...
...B U S T E D!....
Hugh and Exsgtbrown-- thanks!!
Pelayo-- about the MSA's disclaimer, I think one could argue again that the notion that a translation is good enough not only to proselytize, but to teach non-Arabic speaking Muslims more about their faith, and yet supposedly defective the moment one raises any negative issue about the content doesn't add up: If you love it, great; if you don't love it, well, you don't speak Arabic.