There is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from those who may be inclined at one time or another to commit violence in the name of jihad and Islam. I've gotten a lot of criticism for saying this over the years from people who have never bothered to point out how exactly they do propose to distinguish between the two camps.
From Reuters (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The head of police intelligence in Iraq's Kerbala province has been detained after roadside bombs and other weapons were found in a raid on his house, a police spokesman said on Sunday.Kerbala is home to one of the holiest cities in Shi'ite Islam and where Shi'ite factions are struggling for dominance. The U.S. military transferred security responsibility for the province to Iraqi authorities late last month.
Kerbala police spokesman Rahman Emshawi said acting on a tip-off, a police rapid reaction force raided the home of Lieutenant-Colonel Hashem Chalub on Saturday night and seized a quantity of weapons and explosives.
Chalub was later arrested at a restaurant and was now in police custody. A special committee, including representatives of the Ministry of Interior, had been set up to investigate the affair, Emshawi said....
Crusader Rabbit's first rule of Islam:
Any given group of Muslims will eventually split and fight amoungst themselves.
(they need conflict to survive)
"There is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from those who may be inclined at one time or another to commit violence in the name of jihad and Islam."
One good way would be to say the word "Jew" or "Jewish" or "Israel" or any combination thereof within their hearing range and see if they lose their cool or not.
"There is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from those who may be inclined at one time or another to commit violence in the name of jihad and Islam"
Then how do we know or how can it be proved that "peaceful" muslims exist? I'm inclined to believe the "peaceful" ones are just in "standby" mode, ready to join in with the not-so-peaceful ones when they will be needed.
After all, don't the "peaceful" and "not-so-peaceful" ones read, believe and follow what is in the same Quran?
I have been saying that too - how can one determine a truly 'moderate' muslim from a muslim who is not being violent in waging and supporting the jihad to take over?
But, people will only believe this only if they want to believe it. They just cannot believe islam is not a religion, but more of a political movement that uses religion as a front.
Peaceful muslims do exist but I believe that they also can 'turn' at any time, or they are just poorly practicing muslims. Like poorly practicing Christians, except that many poorly practicing Christians still adhere to certain ways of behaving while there can be no guarantee with muslims since they are taught to hate and behave accordingly - deceive, hate the kuffir, etc.
And way too many men think that those little, 'virginal' looking muslimettes are sooo innocent. Well, I say forced virtue is not virtue (I can't remember where I read that but it makes total sense if one thinks about it) and also we have heard way to often of the women dancing and ulalating when infidels are murdered by their jihadists/shahid, or they are the first to gather up the drippings of the ones that are gutted in public do dance and ulalate once again along with their children, or they help support the jihadists, or they even want to blow themselves or their babies to murder infidels. I don't trust them one bit - but that is easy because I am a woman who know women. And women are not as what men always think they are.
Every city in Islamland is a 'holy city'.
Besides that, this idea: "There is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from those who may be inclined at one time or another to commit violence in the name of jihad and Islam".
Is exactly correct. In the secular world, this is called 'Everyone is sane...until they are not'.
It is not possible to know, in most cases, just why, or when, a peaceful muslim decides to be less than peaceful for Allah. It is equally not possible to know why, or how, a perfectly sane person suddenly becomes insane. Somehow both groups, muslims and insane people, are capable of extreme violence.
With the insane people, they have a break from reality. They may hear voices telling them to do bad things, their personal resolve and control is so damaged, they act on impulse, have impaired judgment, and may fly off into murderous rages.
But what of the muslim? Do they have a break from reality? Do they hear the voice of Allah talking to them? As muslims, have they lost their personal resolve and control of their lives? Do they act on impulse, or spontaneously (SJS)? Is their judgment impaired? Do they fly off in rages?
Unless the particular muslim was insane to begin with, Islam creates psychotic episodes in muslims, in the same way that 'everyone is sane until they are not' does. The symptoms of secular insanity, and Islamic insanity are the same. They mirror each other. Allah does not save the muslim from insanity, he creates it for them...But then Allah knows best...I guess...
Let's not jump to hasty conclusions.
"The head of police intelligence" had these "roadside bombs and other weapons at his house".
He could have been collecting evidence (!) or even taking a home-study course (!) in bomb making. A "peaceful" Muslim who is engaged in law enforcement needs to understand the basics of bomb making so that he can recognize when and where bombs are being made. Only then can he arrest those who are "hijacking" Islam.
(A good defense for a "peaceful" Muslim?)
Islamic car to be built by Malaysian company Proton
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7089707.stm
Malaysia firm's 'Muslim car' plan
By Robin Brant
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur
Proton believes it may have found a huge gap in the market
The Malaysian carmaker Proton has announced plans to develop an "Islamic car", designed for Muslim motorists.
Proton is planning on teaming up with manufacturers in Iran and Turkey to create the unique vehicle.
The car could boast special features like a compass pointing to Mecca and a dedicated space to keep a copy of the Koran and a headscarf.
The idea came during a visit to the Middle East by a delegation of Malaysian politicians and businessmen.
Malaysian press reports say officials in Iran originally suggested the idea.
Safety features or fuel economy is one way of selling a car, but Proton thinks vehicles designed specifically for Muslims across the world represent a huge gap in the market.
Proton is the most dominant car on the streets here but the company has suffered recently after the government allowed more foreign cars to be imported.
The firm has been in talks recently with VW about a takeover by the German car giant.
So they found a few homemade fireworks. I don't understand why this is such a big deal.
duh_swami:
Somehow both groups, muslims and insane people, are capable of extreme violence.
You mean you cant get insane muslims?
Doesnt the act of believing in Islam cause a degradration in sanity?
...and several bombings and kidnappings have been carried by Iraqis wearing police uniforms and driving police vehicles....
...cannot trust Muslims...it would be good to Ban Muslim Immigration....
I'm shocked ... shocked.
Folks, take this story with a grain of salt. Chalub may indeed have been a terrorist, but in the murky world of Arab politics, he could also have been set up by his political enemies.
Orwell himself - were he alive - would be having a devil of a time deciphering the daily goings-on in the Muslim world.
"There is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from those who may be inclined at one time or another to commit violence in the name of jihad and Islam."
Which is why quarantine is the only non-violent option for dealing with world Islam remaining to liberal societies. We might not like the notion, but no one has proposed a trustworthy alternative.
FROM ABOVE:Unless the particular muslim was insane to begin with, Islam creates psychotic episodes in muslims...'
duh_swami:
Somehow both groups, muslims and insane people, are capable of extreme violence.
'You mean you cant get insane muslims?
Doesnt the act of believing in Islam cause a degradration in sanity'?
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover
I think you missed the above comment...
Anti islamocommunist, the staff at JWDW will probably not post this story about an Islamic car. There is a potential for too many sarcastic comments.
All of you who attribute insanity as a prerequisite or a characteristic of fundamental Islam need to be cautious about slinging these kinds of statements.
If all of you will agree that a snake handler or someone who refuses to consult a physician and substitutes faith is also insane, then I'll be OK with attributing insanity to fundamental Islam.
Pelayo,
I'm inclined to agree. But, if you're right, then sane people committing such atrocities as we've seen is really blood chilling.
...oh the Islamic car?..
"The car will have special features like a compass pointing to Mecca and a space that is dedicated solely to keeping a copy of the Quran. Oh and a headscarf. Can't let those pesky women be seen without one!
There will also be a special compartment for storing explosives, and the seatbelt will double as a suicide belt. Just detach from the car, and you're on your way to paradise! "
....incidently, VW is talking about buying this auto making company.....