MPAC's Salam Al-Marayati was quoted in the AP story about a proposal to map the locations of Los Angeles mosques as saying: "We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected." But don't get the wrong idea! MPAC has now announced that it has "not officially endorsed, supported or agreed to work with the LAPD on a proposed mapping program," and that media reports to the contrary were "misleading."
In reality, "MPAC will NEVER endorse a policy, program or idea (not even 'in concept') that violates the trust of our community or the principles of Islam." Interesting. The "principles of Islam"? That's a very sweeping statement, giving rise to many specific questions about which principles of Islam MPAC will adhere to, but I'm sure that if I asked those questions to Al-Marayati, he would not answer except with his customary abuse.
Meanwhile, MPAC comes out strongly for the law enforcement efforts to pretend that Malibu surfers and Methodist grandmothers pose just as much of a terror threat as young Muslim males: "MPAC strongly opposes, and will defend against, any profiling program that singles out Muslims (or people of other faiths) for purposes of counterterrorism intelligence that violates our privacy, civil liberties and human rights."
"MPAC Disturbed by Media's Mischaracterization on Its Position on 'Mapping' Program" can be found at the MPAC site. A defense of the LAPD proposal can be found here.
Funny the myriad of ways they redefine "refusal to blow the cover of their islamofascist 5th column brethren and their armories" which is what they may as well say since it's not a state secret at all.
"a rose by any other name..."
If any other community anounced it wasn't going to cooperate with the police ....
Salam Al-Marayati's tactics are from Mein Kampf. It's similar with Fibrahim Hooper, Umar("I accuse Spencer of racism, and then (watch the tape) hurl racial slurs at an African American officer who tells me (politely) to move my fat ass) Lee, or the Ed-209 Edina ("find my Nazi collaborator ancestors please so I can stop lying") Lakovic. These people are like some Saint Patty's Day Parade for liars. (They do the wearin of the brown.) As Dietrich Bonhoeffer noted: we must literally learn to tell the truth exactly and call liars liars. He did that when he returned to Germany to oppose Hitler the liar.
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Hitler (from Mein Kampf) on the methods he learned in Vienna on how to silence critics: "I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they (the PC in media and govt, e.g.) sacrifice the hated individual(s).
However, the fools obtain no peace.
The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive (PC, e.g.) paralysis.........Conversely, they praise every (PC) weakling on the opposing side (who appease them), sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence".
In regard to the "spiritual terror" tactics of Hitler (noted above), William Shirer (page 23, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) said: "No more precise analysis of Nazi tactics, as Hitler was eventually to develop them, was ever written".
I think Bonhoeffer's passion for truth was rooted in his clear, logical mind (as well as his deep faith). I suspect he thought that deception alters perception after a time, and literally leads to a suicide of the true self, as deception cripples logical thinking, judgement of reality. (BTW, he was not the kind of guy who, as my grandmother would put it, "spills his guts". He was a very guarded man in what he said and what he did, but his courage was extraordinary when lies had to be confronted.) Islam permits deception-it permits lies. It's foot-binding for the head. Deception darkens the mind and makes one a chuckle-head-jerk-liar such as Fibrahim Hooper, the CAIR-liars, etc.
Not all Muslims agree with this. I bet to MPAC these are considered apostates.
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2007/11/cair-protecting-muslim-citizens-is.html
What happens when the "apostates" become the overwhelming majority of Muslims? They will be a bunch of Bonhoeffers, as opposed to chuckle-head liars such as Salam Al-Marayati, Umar ("I call Spencer a racist and then hurl racial slurs at an African American-watch me on the tape-and I blame you for my deception") Lee, Fibrahim Hooper, the CAIR-liars, Ed-209, etc. The CAIR liars can't think logically, deception alters their perception, and then comes the abuse and more lies. Then comes the arrogance to cover up the insecurity and self-loathing that is born of their deception. It's a vicious cycle and a kind of suicide.
Where are all the Moderates?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHwJAmSeSLA
(caution: satire ahead)
The police should not have announced this program to begin with. They should have just quietly done it. One of the jihads greatest weapons is invisibility. It is justified for the police to use the weapon of counter-invisibility. Telling your enemies, or potentials, your plan is stupid, unless you are tricking them with your own brand of tiqiyya.
At least the LA police are getting to understand who the enemy is and where he hangs out. Hopefully police across the country will copy LA. I know it hurts muslim feelings to be singled out like that, but some sacrifice has to be made for progress....muslims are creating these problems by their very presence...Their cloak of invisibility is beginning to weaken and becoming threadbare. Taqiyya is about used up, we have heard every version from the absurd, to intellectualized arguments that always get shot down. The Dar al-Harb world will continue to wizen up, and put ever increasing pressure on Islam, while muslims, realizing the intellectual jig is up, that they can no longer argue the merits of the Quran or Islam, will resort to more and more violence, resulting in more and more pressure on them.
Leftist/liberals and other PC apologists will be forced to eat crow. This is an escalating problem, and the police need all the counter weapons they can get. This would not be a problem had we not let these people in to begin with. I don't know who the individuals were who allowed for muslim immigration, but they should be singled out, and taken behind the backstop for an attitude adjustment...
OT, but last night the CBC had a documentary called On Tour with the Taliban, where a reporter interviewed several senior Taliban leaders in Afghanistan. Very scary - these people are absolutely committed to their cause. The leaders confirmed their ties to Al Qaeda, as well as the assistance, in the form of training, troops and arms, which the Taliban receives from our great ally, Pakistan.
While interviewing American troops in Afghaninstan, the reporter learned that they are demoralized and disheartened, believing the war is unlikely to succeed.
But the most chilling segment was an interview with a beautiful, heart-breakingly young Pakistani boy, just 15 years old, who was all wired up and ready to blow himself up for allah. He spoke with shining eyes of his eagerness to martyr himself.
We should get out of that godforsaken country now.
Actually Jewish synagogues and schools where mapped, and monitored daily by law enforcement throughout Southern California right after 9-11 with the full support of the Jewish community. This allowed for a quick response by police and fire if there was a terrorist attack.
The Jewish people were delighted by these outreach programs by emergency services personal.
The question is why wouldn't the the Muslims want the same thing for their mosques,madrasses and community as the jewish people do?
What am I missing here??
"The question is why wouldn't the the Muslims want the same thing for their mosques,madrasses and community as the jewish people do?"
Because muslims cannot allow themselves to agree with Jews on anything. It's against their religion!
Because muslims cannot allow themselves to agree with Jews on anything. It's against their religion!
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi
According to Tabari, Mohammad said, that Allah said, that, 'A true believer is one who does the prayers, pays the tax, bows in homage, and renounces agreements with jews'.
It would seem then, that agreements with Jews have to be temporary and to the muslims benefit. Otherwise, if they go unbroken beyond direct benefit, the agreements become apostasy. That could bring the death penalty in some places...This is one of the main reasons 'Palestinians' can't give up the idea of hating Jews. If they live by the Quran,and the example of mohammad, hating Jews is mandatory.
As Mohammad gave three choices, convert be a dhimmi, or die, the entire Islamic world, but especially the 'Palestinian' muslims also give Israel three choices. Convert, become a dhimmi and pay the tax, or move out. To Paraguay maybe. Oh I forgot the fourth choice, incineration.
But Israel has the fifth choice, 'get them before they get us'. Prevent incineration, no conversions or dhimmitude, no moving out, no taxes, no appeasement...So far Israel refused conversion, and moving out, but they still make dhimmi payment's and appease far to much. Maybe a change in Israeli leadership, Netenyahu maybe?
Never ever do anything to show any support for the country you chose to emigrate to... We don't need you all here so leave.
Slightly OT, but these mosques, etc. They have a tax exempt status with the IRS, correct? Are those mosques that do have "radical" imams teaching kill the infidel, etc - what happens to their tax exempt status? Seems they crossed the line from religion to political advocacy. Of course, the IRS has not gone after those (historically) black Christian churches that invite the Clintons et al to "preach" their political filled creeds from the pulpit.
What a joke.
The LAPD could have save a lot of time an trouble if they just started with an available database -- http://www.islamicfinder.org -- which shows every Muslim religious building and business in the area by zip code.
CAIR and MPAC are making a big fuss over nothing.
Great idea! These maps will make the deportations a lot easier.
Oh, my goodness! Are some Muslims upset by something again?
Zzzzzzzz
Anyone here able to answer this question....
Do muslim countries map and identify areas, neighborhoods, and homes of Christians in muslim countries?
Yes, they know exactly where minorities live and practice and keep them under strict regulation. The treatment of Christians in the Muslim world very oppressive - they restrict their freedom of movement as well as freedom of assembly. Yet we in the West are expected to welcome all Muslims with open arms and never question any of their traditions or values. As Mark Steyn so well puts it, multiculturalism is a one-way street.
http://grizzlymountain.blogspot.com/
The link from Chris to islamicfinder (above) has an add for
"Islamic Relief"
Sounds good but it's not what you think. Too bad.
ImNoDhimmi-- thanks for that post. Exiting Afghanistan is a great idea.
seems to me only people with something to hide would get this upset so regularly. muslims should have the capacity to understand they are the group killing innocents and threatening our way of life. granted it is not all of them but we should have the legal right to try and find the fanatics. and until they stop protesting and begin to help with this the more they should be scrutinized more. this is not racist. this is not discrimination. this a matter of national security. and as always the muslims can leave this oppression for an islamic homeland of their choice.