UK: Police complaints about "Islamophobia" in mosque documentary rejected

I am by no means a fan of channel 4, they usually depict english christians as bad and poor hard done by religous terrorists as the opressed.
However, this time they've (CH4) have changed tack, surprisingly ch4 have shown what really goes on (most of us knew this already) in saudi sponsred mosques in the uk, preaching to the vunerable! sheep er... followers how bad we are.
These imams weren't coerced into spouting their usual crap, it was from their own mouths.

I hope they will take this on board, their friends New Labour will not always be in government, then "their" party will be OVER!!!
The hypocracy they show is not surprising, no churches in saudi, yes I've been there Operation Granby (Desert Storm) and seen this first hand, we weren't allowed church services even in the middle of nowhere of that shitty country.

The mcb should be outlawed asap, they're just a carbon copy of cair (usa) causing trouble and challenging everything through the courts.
Most of their followers including the evil nation of islam are only out to cause trouble.

Maybe as some in the USA might pay a visit to mecca / medina to shine some light (light up) then no more problems.

Shalom

I am by no means a fan of channel 4, they usually depict english christians as bad and poor hard done by religous terrorists as the opressed.
However, this time they've (CH4) have changed tack, surprisingly ch4 have shown what really goes on (most of us knew this already) in saudi sponsored mosques in the uk, preaching to the vunerable! sheep er... followers how bad we are.
These imams weren't coerced into spouting their usual crap, it was from their own mouths.

I hope they will take this on board, their friends New Labour will not always be in government, then "their" party will be OVER!!!
The hypocracy they show is not surprising, no churches in saudi, yes I've been there Operation Granby (Desert Storm) and seen this first hand, we weren't allowed church services even in the middle of nowhere of that shitty country.

The mcb should be outlawed asap, they're just a carbon copy of cair (usa) causing trouble and challenging everything through the courts.
Most of their followers including the evil nation of islam are only out to cause trouble.

Maybe as some in the USA might pay a visit to mecca / medina to shine some light (light up) then no more problems.

Shalom

British police are totally dhimmified. They are most reluctant to help people harassed or worse by muslims.

http://www.blackhillsportal.com/npps/story.cfm?id=1823

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6296789.stm

A few years ago we had the BBC undercover reporting on a few comments made by Nick Griffin the leader of the BNP which amounted to Islam is a wicked religion I believe.
He was prosecuted twice along with one of his cohorts and acquitted at the second trial.

Here we have Channel 4 undercover reporting on imams at a mosque saying the following:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/19/nofcom219.xml

[Excerpts from preachers and teachers included "Allah created the woman deficient" and "by the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her (young girls) to wear hijab and if she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her".

Other statements included "take that homosexual and throw him off the mountain" and "whoever changes his religion from Al Islam to anything else - kill him in the Islamic state".]

And this results in the Police first attempting to prosecute not the Imams but Channel 4 and after they realised this was not possible they reported the programme to Ofcom.

Interestingly Ofcom also rejected some 364 viewers' complaints it received after the programme was broadcast, which it said appeared to be part of a 'campaign'.

It would appear Islam is a protected religion and above scrutiny in the eyes of the police.

At least for now it's still legal to quote Muslims on video in the UK.

Are these the Thought Police?

Whose side are the police on?

Stop whining and get political. Support political parties which oppose dhimmitude and oppose those that do. Give your time and money.

Be clever. Organize a civil activist movement against Islamic extremism. Their weak point is their treatment of women. Create a group to help these poor women and at the same time undermine the legitimacy of Sharia supporting Muslims.

Stop whining. Be clever. Fight for freedom.

The bobbies have turned into dhimmis.

James Martel,

You wrote: "Support political parties which oppose dhimmitude and oppose those that do"

But WHICH parties? Apart from the BNP, they're all dhimmis.

And in the US? 'Democrats' or 'Republican'. There are only two choices (some 'democracy' hey?), and they're infected with the dhimmi disease!

Moreover, with the Democrats probably getting into power next time, dhimmitude will in all likelyhood get worse, that is, unless a dramatic sea-change of mindset happens. And what could be the catalyst for that be, I wonder?

Well, IMHO, the only (and important) saving grace that a Democrat presidency could offer America, is if they see Islam as the total opposite polarity to notable causes which they hold dear – i.e. feminism and gay-rights. While the latter is not something, I as a Catholic necessarily agree with, I do however think that a worthwhile action strategy to curtail, or even reverse ‘sharia-creep’ in the US, would be for a mass gathering of gays at Capitol Hill to protest at the threat that islam poses to the freedom to live their lives as they choose.

Infidel419,

"Well, IMHO, the only (and important) saving grace that a Democrat presidency could offer America, is if they see Islam as the total opposite polarity to notable causes which they hold dear – i.e. feminism and gay-rights."

Do they? Seems Conservatives make a bigger issue over it than the Democrat liberals do. In a post-911 world where Islam oppresses everything not held as Islamic has, the deafing silence of liberals, feminists and human right groups has really caused me to question what they really stand for.

Elric66,

re. your commment: "the deafing silence of liberals, feminists and human right groups has really caused me to question what they really stand for"

Good point. Indeed, it's fair to say that shari'a repression is probably the last thing on their collective minds right now (even though the shari'a recipe is cooking away in the oven quite nicely). This is because the libs are all probably still feverishly engaged in aiming their sights at conservatives and what they term as the "Religious Right" -- i.e. Catholicism etc.

So just wait when the lefty-liberals etc realise who the **real** baddies are. And they won't know what's hit them.

Hopefully when that point is reached, there will still be some crucial elements of the US Constitution remaining intact for them to cling to for survival.

would be interested to see who actually complained and why the police were so gung ho at making this allegation against a national tv station.
islamic attempts at censorship.

Infidel419,

So true. The irony is they are against the "religious right" but in doing so they have allied with Islam, the real religious right.

Further to my post above, I do believe that the very presence of one phrase in particular: "Take that homosexual man and throw him off the mountain" proclaimed by the imam in the film "Undercover Mosque", is what helped to the documentary getting the all-clear yesterday.

Other excerpts from preachers and teachers included "Allah created the woman deficient" and "by the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her (young girls) to wear hijab and if she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her".

It is ironic that had the programme not contained these above phrases (even if all the other talk of muslims forcibly taking over from the kuffars etc. had remained), then I think the legal prosecution of the programme might even have been successful.

The time when the UK police served the people has passed.

The police are now the tool of the state, to do the state's bidding - which includes oppressing those who disagree with the government's Marxist policies, even if they have committed no actual crime.

I have experienced this first hand. I and my colleagues were selling a political newspaper in the street, which is perfectly legal. Of course, the views in that newspaper and the organisation on whose behalf we were selling it were counter to the government's official doctrine.

Anyway, the police turned up as expected and accused us of having handed out an offensive leaflet to someone. This was a lie as we had not given anybody any leaflets. We did not even have any leaflets. It was simply a ruse enabling the police to ask questions and get names and addresses. However, the police could not prove that we had done anything illegal, and of course they could neither produce their virtual complainant nor describe the offensive leaflet, so they went away.

But during the whole time that the police were speaking to us - and indeed all morning - an Eastern European woman a short distance away on the other side of the pedestrian walkway was imploring passers-by to buy a copy of the "Beeeeg Issue". The police completely ignored her (foreigners good, indigenous bad).

Curiously, we had initially started selling our papers on the same side of the walkway as the Eastern European woman, but a security guard had moved us on because we were allegedly on private property. When we asked why he didn't also move the Eastern European woman, he said that she probably wouldn't understand him.

It wouldn't surprise me if the police use names and addresses collected in this way to tap telephones and intercept emails so that they can gather evidence in order to bring charges against "dissidents".

Foreigners good, Indigenous bad

Geeza, you beat me to it with your post.

I'm sorry, but if openly advocating murdering gays isn't incitement to, well, murder, then what the hell is?

Compare with the vilification Jim Davidson got for his use of the word "shirtlifter" on a TV game show.

Sorry, but further to my earlier comment, I need to get something off my chest about Big Issue sellers.

For the non-British amongst you, the Big Issue is a magazine sold in the street by "homeless" people. The seller gets a cut of the profits made from selling the magazine.

Maybe this is only the case where I live, but all the Big Issue sellers seem to be foreign. You can tell by their accents that they are from Eastern Europe or the Middle East. Now why the 'kin hell do they come over here to be homeless?

If they're economic migrants then they need to 'kin well learn to speak English before they get on the boat. If they're asylum seekers then why the 'kin hell did they have to travel several thousand miles across Europe to reach a safe country? The last time I looked at a map of the world there were quite a few safe countries between the Middle East and the UK. If they're from Romania or Bulgaria then why didn't they stop in, say, Hungary or Austria? Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to travel a shorter distance?

I've come to the conclusion that our government (and others in Europe) is deliberately importing foreigners - partly because they see them as future supporters - and couldn't give a flying f@ck whether or not they've come here to work or simply to sponge off the tax-payer.

I am convinced that the long-term aim is the destruction of the indigenous peoples of Western Europe and the establishment of Islam here as the religion "of choice".

There is absolutely no doubt:

England is fucked.

The muslims kicked up a stink about another show, Spooks, but it seems they did not get their way

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/

Leon
I have left a few links on the other thread if you are interesred

The British Police bless them, they just can't get the balance right can they?
From institutionally racist to groveling sycophancy in one step.
Brilliant.

I find it interesting that some in this thread assume the Police in question must be native Brits, or have become "dhimmified". The ominous truth is this: Muslims have infiltrated many of the institutions of power in the West: they've infiltrated the academies, they've infiltrated Departments of State, consultative bodies and boards and think tanks, they've infiltrated police and intelligence forces -- they've deliberately targeted these institutions in order to perpetuate the power of Islam. In short - -Muslims are waging Jihad to spread Islam as is required by that so-called "religion".

I don't know who within the police force claimed "Islamophobia" against Ch4 -- but it's highly possible that they are Muslims and not dhimmis and not misguided Western fools.

Elric66 & Infidel419,

Feminism is its own worst enemy. The feminization of Western Civilization is pointed to by Islamists as a central weakness of our culture and used as a recruitment tool. After all, what better "booty" could a healthy young jihadist hope for than millions of infidel women that need to be, shall we say: subdued? In addition, they're told that Western males have been zapped of the will to fight, particularly with the unbridled ferocity that will be needed to win.

Simultaneously in the West, the movement's Marxist propaganda aspect helps reinforce the notion that fighting for Western Civilization is imperialist, chauvinistic, "heterosexual white male domination".

Feminism, at least in its current form, is a meme slated for extinction. It will either die of Western Civilization's own hand as we try to save the culture that gave it birth, or it will be raped to death by the Islamists.

Elric66 said:
"The irony is they are against the "religious right" but in doing so they have allied with Islam, the real religious right."

Aint that the truth.

This case should open up a further investigation by the British Parliment.

People within the police should be fired over this.

If citizens cannot approach the police, then who are they going to approach? Or is that the point...'if you tell on a muslim then you are a violator', then the citizens will consider the war won and the people silenced.

What organizations can you think of that are so protected by the police that the police will not even take a report on the group.

RalphInfidel,

You bring up a good point with the feminists. In a lot of ways, the Western male has been emasculated. This starts when young boys start school. Cant play tag. Cant play dodge ball. Competition is bad. Etc. Now this mentality has infected our top leaders. No matter how vile our enemy is, we must be senstive, compasionate, understanding.

...it is time to Ban Muslim Immigration...

find it interesting that some in this thread assume the Police in question must be native Brits, or have become "dhimmified". jsla

"Red Ken" Livingston, mayor of Londonistan and Sir Ian Blair, chief of police are notorious dhimmis.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408638&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&ct=5&expand=true

Something related to this.

Sharia law is spreading as authority wanes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

Faizul Aqtab Siddiqi, a barrister and principal of Hijaz College Islamic University, near Nuneaton, Warwicks, said this type of court had advantages for Muslims. "It operates on a low budget, it operates on very small timescales and the process and the laws of evidence are far more lenient and it's less awesome an environment than the English courts," he said.

Mr Siddiqi predicted that there would be a formal network of Muslim courts within a decade.

Just been looking at a Red fascist site

In an exclusive interview with Asian Leader, Mrs Mahfooz Bibi, a mother-of-five from the Sparkhill area of Birmingham, said she had lost all faith in the police service after her calls of help following neighbourly disputes ended up with her being handcuffed and taken away.

Mrs Bibi, who wears a Hijab, has been arrested a total of four times in a 14 -month period following a number of disputes with her neighbours. She told Asian Leader, officers at the city’s Belgrave Road Police Station, which serves some of Birmingham’s predominantly Asian areas, saw her as an easy target because she spoke little English and wore a Hijab (head covering).

She also lodged two complaints against her treatment after she was mocked and ridiculed and ordered to remove her Hijab by a male sergeant on two separate occasions. But despite the complaints being lodged last year she accused West Midlands Police of not taking them seriously.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/05/311395.html

Then I also found this at another site

With reference to our recent telephone conversation I wish to submit a formal complaint with regards the nature of the "British Oppression" posters increasingly appearing across Birmingham.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1526

No! Not the BNP! Anything but the BNP... Anything?

"the broadcaster called the police's actions "perverse"
It certainly looks that way. I've looked at the Ofcom report and it includes this statement.:

"the WMP (West Midlands Police) stated that it and the CPS had then considered potential offences
that may have been committed by those involved in the production and broadcast of
the programme - specifically in relation to stirring up racial hatred"

That could be taken to imply that anyone who dares to report the hate-filled speech of mosque preachers may themsleves be regarded as a purveyor of hate-speech.

This action seems so ludricous that one might suspect they're involved in some kind covert deals with the mosques - we'll support you with this if you give us that.

Ofcom also rejected further compaints regarding this programme which were made by representatives of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

this is a bit of very good news, imho.
the UK's MSM has been unusually united over this story,largely supporting C4,and the WMP have made themselves look foolish, bullying and dhimmified.
perhaps it will get even better, as "The production company involved has told Channel 4 News they are considering legal action against the police", see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/19/nofcom319.xml

more amazingly, the UK government did not cave in to the Saudis over it, either, see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/12/nterror312.xml

Since when do police decide what's appropriate for TV anyway? God help Britain.

As a Brit now resident in the US (legally!) I regularly listen to the BBC's 'flagship' news programmes on Radio Four, The Today Programme and PM, on the internet. Yes, of course, I "take note from whence it comes" and make allowances for the BBC's well-known bias in my subsequent analyses, but I like to keep abreast of just what is being heard by 'the man in the street' in Britain, especially regarding the Jihad.

I found the item on today's PM programme about the OfCom decision particularly interesting.

There were two people interviewed, two voices heard - a police spokeswoman and an OfCom spokesman. No Muslim voice. The OfCom official, unsurprisingly, defended the decision and in doing so clearly restated the objectionable and hate-filled remarks heard in the programme.

What was surprising (and therefore interesting) was that the policewoman's remarks were amazingly 'UN-dhimmified'. She too restated some of the Imams' apalling comments. She made it clear what she thought of such comments. And no muslim voice was rushed to the microphone to declare them 'out of context'.

Her explanation of the process was that the police initially consulted the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service - they decide whether there is sufficient evidence to prosecute a case, and whether a prosecution is in the public interest) regarding the Imams' "hate speech" and were told that there would be no prosecution.

Rather than simply drop the enquiry, the Police then "took their questions to OfCom to ask if free speech included the right to broadcast such comments".

It seems to me that the police, rather than being PC dhimmis in bringing the complaint to OfCom, could, in fact, have been acting out of sheer frustration with the totally PC and dhimmified CPS. The CPS is known to be way, way left of the police force (and yes, most REAL Bobbies do object to being relabelled a Police 'Service' and the pressure to be 'sensitive') and it's often obvious that investigating police are furious with CPS decisions not to prosecute cases.

The two interviews, their tone and content, and the fact that the BBC did NOT 'balance' those interviews with equal time given to the Council of Muslim This or That left one with the definite impression that both the police AND the BBC have rebelled, just a little, and wanted to get the RIGHT message out there. Interesting.

In light of this article and the comments, the link below is quite amusing...:

www.west-midlands.police.uk/wmprrecruit/
uploadedimages/Vacancies/CTY/ctu_application_form.pdf

Well, for a start, they could use a good proofreader!

"I have experienced this first hand. I and my colleagues were selling a political newspaper in the street, which is perfectly legal." _ Watling, above

curious that Watling fails to mention that the paper he was selling was (I'd say it was a 99% certainty) the 'Voice of Freedom', organ of the BNP. I hope his reticence isn't because, at least in Mar 2005, it was printed by a firm that was owned by Saudis.

Its editor had done 3 months in prison for incitement to racial hatred and was a former National Front member.

see:

http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/publishing/874

People who seek to discredit Muslim apologists will only run the risk of discrediting themselves in the eyes of the British public by associating with the BNP. The argument against increasing Muslim influence in the UK is respectable enough to become mainstream and nobody should want to or need to try and exploit any xenophobia and racism that may be present in society.

Kate, you wrote:-

>>Rather than simply drop the enquiry, the Police then "took their questions to OfCom to ask if free speech included the right to broadcast such comments".

wallyUK

Nobody would deny a that the BNP's roots are in the National Front, a bunch of psychotic fascists but you have to agree that the government works very hard to ensure nobody else joins.

I could not copy the link but if you Google “Libertarian Alliance BNP” you should find an article in which an academic sets down the case that the Government's activity against the BNP amounts to political persecution. Specifically no BNP member or supporter is allowed to keep the lowest type of government job and any professional person who joins will find their career in ruins. I wonder how long he will keep his job?

It would be bad enough if what they were doing only affected the BNP but the repression of anyone who criticises our rich diverse multicultural society goes far wider than that. About three years ago the journalist Anthony Browne wrote an article on immigration, “Britain is in danger of losing Britain”. He was too well respected to ruin but he effectively received a public warning from the former Home Secretary who denounced the article - in Parliament - as “semi-fascist”.

There is a less known case of a college lecturer who wrote a paper asserting that the countless millions of words and hundreds hours airtime devoted to the notorious murder of the black teenager Stephen Lawrence was out all proportion to the crime. I read that his students were first encouraged a boycott his classes and he was eventually frozen out. For good measure the Guardian managed to associate him with the KKK claiming he had "attended a conference in the US where members of the KKK were present". The implication being that the KKK did not run the conference so “members of the KKK were present” could have been anything from actually speaking to calling in from another suite use the washroom.

This runs through every level of society and I have already posted how our completely non-political Club was infiltrated by the government subsidised Searchlight organisation because unknown to us one member was a BNP activist. As a result the BNP man was “outed” in the press and obliged to sever his connections with the family business which was heavily dependent on government work. Even though he resigned from the club a couple of us were still subject to minor sanctions on the principle of guilt by association. In my case a long-standing charity speaking engagement (non-political) was cancelled at very short notice.

Your link was interesting because as a result of government and union pressure the BNP cannot get any printing done by firms in Britain or Europe. It was amusing to read that the most notorious political organisation resisting Islam in Britain has its paper printed not just by Muslims but by Saudis!

Good old wallyUK. He loves a bit of nostalgia. But don't we all, eh?

Martin Wingfield - who edits VoF - was imprisoned in 1985 (that's 22 years ago for those who have recently been through the UK's education system) for refusing to pay a fine, which was his punishment following a charge under the Race Relations act.

Now, I don't know what Wingfield wrote, but ask yourself: how serious could it have been if it only warranted a fine? And how many people do you know who, when offered the chance of staying out of jail by coughing up some cash, would choose imprisonment?

Jihad Watch's home page has a link to a DVD entitled "ISLAM, WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW". Amongst those who contributed to the DVD is Walid Shoebat - a former member of the PLO and enthusiastic anti-Semite who:

participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel

and was:

imprisoned [...] for incitement and violence against Israel

See: http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php?PHPSESSID=011238405768c4f5182acad0590b3adf

I hope you have complained to Robert Spencer about the fact that a former terrorist and Jew hater is featured on his home page. Sorry? What's that? People can change?

It is risible that you refer to the alleged fact that VoF was once printed by a firm owned by the Saudis. Have you ever bought petrol or travelled in a vehicle that ran on petrol?

Indeed, have you ever voted Tory/New Labour/Lib Dem? Then have a look at a long list of their criminals here:

http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com

You said that: The argument against increasing Muslim influence in the UK is respectable enough to become mainstream and nobody should want to or need to try and exploit any xenophobia and racism that may be present in society

I knew you couldn't resist getting the "R" word in somewhere. Congratulations on squeezing the "X" word in too. I'm impressed! But I have to say that I'm disappointed you didn't also mention "Hitler", "fascist" and "Nazi". Come on, wallyUK - you're slipping a little. Try better next time. And remember - there are bonus points available if you can also make a reference to the KKK.

Just keep voting Tory/Lib Dem and see where it gets you. See how mainstream your views on Islam are at your next Tory/Lib Dem coffee morning - although I suggest you keep mum if you intend standing as an MP. Remember Nigel Hastilow, who was forced to give up his MP candidacy because he dared to mention Enoch Powell? (See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2804407.ece).

I also suggest you start learning Arabic now - it'll save you some time later.

Fred:

Here's that link about the state's persecution of the BNP you referred to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A21085427

And the police are taking their orders from whom?

Going undercover in these mosques and getting the goods on them was a community service that should have been lauded all around. I was shocked when the police (!) started an ivestigation against the film maker! What an outrage! Then I read that the police organization that took this action was heavily represented by Muslims. Does anyone have further info on this? If true, it shows once again that there are any number of "modern", seemingly assimilated Muslims who are assiduously working for the ummah behind the scenes. Of course, left-leaning authorities would have the same impulse. An expose of widespread Muslim hate teaching? Bury it.