Diana West gets it right again -- this time about the now-notorious Tancredo campaign ad, and the denial and obfuscation of the mainstream media:
...This week, he debuted a new TV commercial challenging voters, as well as his fellow candidates, to link the illegal alien issue to the national security threat of jihadist terrorism. And despite this being the age of jihadist terrorism, Tancredo's TV spot is a first. It highlights the fact that our borders are open to more than just cheap labor by depicting the ease with which a terrorist enters a shopping mall -- like other terrorists entered the London Underground, the Spanish trains, a school in Russia -- to deposit a backpack-bomb that explodes at the end of the commercial. The message is refreshingly direct: "Tancredo. Before it's too late."Yes, there is something surreal about the commercial, but not because of the content. What is surreal is the hysteria that has greeted it. After 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, Amman, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Bali, Beslan, Davao, Hadera, Haifa, Jakarta, Jerusalem, Nairobi, New Dehli, Sharm al-Sheik, Tel Aviv, Tunisia and more, what dolt doesn't wonder if and when jihadist cowards will attack our own trains, markets, hotels and restaurants? Tom Tancredo has only taken the mature and responsible course -- not coincidentally, also the politically incorrect course -- by raising this deadly serious issue with the American people. But for this he is castigated as a "fear-monger."
Indeed, as if on cue, the Tancredo-hostile Denver Post editorialized: "New Tancredo ad is a sad case of fear-mongering," adding that Tancredo had "reached a new low -- if that's possible."
"Is Tom Tancredo Too `Tough on Terror'?" blogged the Washington Post. Conclusion to reach: Way too tough.
The Los Angeles Times quoted one Dennis Goldford, a professor of politics at Drake University in Des Moines, who described the Tancredo commercial as "an incredibly fear-based kind of advertisement that some might say is trying to terrorize people into supporting his view." This is rich. Acknowledging terrorism as act of terrorism: Professor, grade yourself an "F."
Meanwhile, the Rocky Mountain News didn't claim even a shred of impartial coverage, sub-heading its report on the Tancredo commercial: "Expert says terrorism images are so blatant commercial won't work." The "expert" here was Bruce Gronbeck, a communications professor at the University of Iowa who teaches a course on politics on the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks (heaven help his students). He said: "This is just blatant, raw fear images, and they've never worked in the United States, period."
"Fear-mongering." "Terrorizing people." "Blatant, raw fear images." The way the "experts" talk, they make it sound as if Tancredo is subjecting citizens to sick "Saw" dismemberment fantasies -- not the plain, awful reality of our tragically jihad-diminished day. Yes, our shopping malls are targets. And yes, our borders are porous. Ignoring this makes it easier to live in a world of pretend, but that's not traditionally where our best presidents have come from. Indeed, how does any credible, responsible presidential candidate ignore the potential connection between shopping-mall targets and porous borders?
Answer: At this nation's politically correct peril.
It sounds like Tancredo "gets it." Therefore, he will never be president. :-)
The day will come when this ad is seen as a watershed: a candidate with the guts to call a spade a spade, jihad-wise, which is rare as hens' teeth today. Someday we can only hope that it will be de rigueur for getting elected, like promises to reform government.
"If elected, I promise that there will be a chicken in every pot, we will continue to root out and destroy the jihad elements in our midst, and completely fund and deploy the minefield on our southern border."
Tancredo is exactly what we need, but sadly he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected for President next year. He would also make a great VP for Giuliani who I believe will win the Presidency.
Any defense position, with as little required speaking as possible, would be perfect for Tanc.
The ad is a classic...saw it on Beck last night.
"Tancredo, before its too late."
Sad that a Western leader is stepping up and he has no chance.
Yes, deceivers and apologists from all over deny "Fear-mongering." "Terrorizing people." "Blatant, raw fear images." They take exception to all that.
But they don't take any exception to the people who bring to us all, and them: "Fear-mongering." "Terrorizing people." "Blatant, raw fear images."
After all, terrorists are to be protected and shown to be superior in every way as the rest of us are Islamophobes.
Surely, the sun goes down in the morning and rises at night.
Tom Tancredo is the most patriotic American in politics today. God grant him victory.
Thank you, Mr. Tancredo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8fcy6TTHM
From a posted comment: "A minefield on our southern border"? A *minefield*? Jesus Christ. Why not build a reverse Berlin Wall -- am I the only one here who remembers the pictures of people shot dead trying to make it over? Haven't we learned anything?
And however nonporous our borders might be made, it still won't stop the homegrown, Wahhabist-mosque-supported terror cells or Sudden Jihad Syndrome. I do believe the explicit link here between mall bombings/etc. and the border situation is, in fact, fearmongering, and it intentionally targets people who AREN'T planning jihad. If you want to talk about duplicity, I believe that's an example. And I speak this as a person who is perfectly aware of the supremacist ideology of Islam, what Islamists do on a daily basis around the world, and the threat their beliefs pose to our open society.
Nearly every 1950s horror movie I saw had the plot device where a scientists knows all about the danger and the military or police say that it (monster, alien, whatever) must be kept secret to avoid public panic. The monster usually gets loose and causes panic anyway along with death and destruction!
We are living in a black and white horror movie produced by Universal International Pictures.
Just got back from my Senator’s office, a very positive experience. Her representative listened, asked some very good questions, was very respectful, and seemed to be genuinely interested in what we were talking about. The Senator will get back to me in writing, I’m told.
Every Senator has regional offices, probably one near you. It feels good if you can find fifteen minutes to drop off a letter and have a short talk. Ask to talk with the ‘regional representative’. They are paid to listen to us. This one seemed to enjoy the conversation and was willing to listen. Eye contact is a very important communications tool.
Tancredo is soft-peddling terror by choosing a shopping mall instead of the more probable target of ten or twenty grade schools at once.
Marwans daughter, there is a giant difference between the Berlin wall and a US Southern security fence. The Berlin wall kept people in.
By the Pitch of their Cries shall we know the level of their fear of Truth.
Journalism with Blood on its Hands. Seeking ever more clever ways to keep the Fingers Lubricated.
These days nothing is more dangerous than the truth.
I give full credit to Mr. Tancredo for saying it as it is.
Weren't all the terrorists for the World Trade Center, Madrid, and Beslan, to name three examples, "legally" resident?
Re Tancredo's warning-
Winston Churchill was called a war monger, heckled, and was the subject of numerous sanctimonious editorials and attacks for his "fear mongering" in the 1930's re Hitler and the Nazis. Churchill called this time "my out of step period". Eventually his critics got in step with Prime Minister Churchill.
Marwan'sDaughter, more border security is just part of what is needed, the fact that some of the 9/11 terrorists were here legally magnifies the problem. Focusing on the Mexican border alone hijacks the debate.
Securing the border is a good step but not the cure all. As long as muslim immigration and mosques are still legal, we will always be at risk.
This is the most powerful political ad I ever saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg&mode=related&search=
"After 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, Amman, Amsterdam, Baghdad, Bali, Beslan, Davao, Hadera, Haifa, Jakarta, Jerusalem, Nairobi, New Dehli, Sharm al-Sheik, Tel Aviv, Tunisia and more, what dolt doesn't wonder if and when jihadist cowards will attack our own trains, markets, hotels and restaurants?"
He forgot Dahab, on the Red Sea in Egypt. A friend of mine, with whom I was studying at AIC, was there on the day of the bombing and actually ate at one of the restaurants that was blown up. He left the town mere hours before everything happened. Others weren't so lucky.
Er...make that AUC.
"Tancredo's Raw Truth About Terrorism"
I would like to believe that the first time a terrorist blows the top off a shopping mall, killing a couple dozen people, the Islamic appoligists in this country will wake up and see the error of their ways.
But I seriously doubt that any kind of tradgedy -- no matter how horrendous -- will have the slightest effect on their thinking. Ideologues don't surrender their ideologies very easily.
They'll tell us how sorry they are about the destruction and loss of life, but then they'll launch into their same old mantras about the religion of peace, and the need to dialogue with the Islamic community.
In short, the Tancredos of the country will still be labeled as racist, and anyone else who dares to speak the truth about the problem will be shouted down and labeled an Islamophobe.
"Of course there's a chance that a jihadi could cross the border illegally."
Huh? Chance?
We must assume that it is a reality that a terrorist squad will cross either border.
Marwan'sDaughter,
I am guessing that you support open borders
Did not watch all of the Democratic debate but did catch a sad remark made by Bill Richardson. He stated that he would put human rights above national security. If that is not 'a world of pretend' or wishful thinking I don't know what is. The audience cheered (sickening) with the statement.
Pandering and miss-application of power are the things that come to mine. The term human rights (dripping with PC) will be the first thing lost for not putting national security first.
2 Tim 2:10-11
He will use every kind of wicked deception to fool those who are on their way to destruction because they refuse to believe the truth that would save them. So God will send great deception upon them, and they will believe all these lies.
2 تيم 2:10-11
انه سيستخدم كل نوع من الخداع لتخدع الشرس اولئك الذين هم في طريقهم الى تدمير لانهم يرفضون الحقيقة نعتقد ان من شأنها انقاذهم. ذلك سيبعث الله العظيم الخداع عليها ، ونعتقد انها ستكون كل هذه الاكاذيب
How can people advocating open boarders not feel ahamed of themselves? They are just advocating slave labor and a free pass for drug gangs, murderers, rapists, kidnappers, and jihadists.
Elric,
Marwan'sDaughter is just walking the lgf line, not accepting any negative talk against anyone or anything that isn't specifically jihadist in nature.
She was bad-mouthing Robert and this site at lgf yesterday, saying she was not coming back here.
In her estimation, this site, and especially the community here are completely morally, ethically and intellectually inferior to the one over at lgf.
When you understand that, her comments all make complete contextual sense.
So be it.
Im.mad.as.HELL!,
Yeah, I watched some of the democratic debate to-I was looking for a "humor break", lol. Unfortunately it only made me sick seeing all those people support a group of idiots who keep talking, but never say anything.
It's hopeless, the Democrats want cheap votes and the Republicans want cheap labor. Both parties are sticking a hot poker directly up our collective fundaments.
Tom Tancredo is still campaigning?
From the coverage on the East Coast, you'd think the man had dropped off the face of the earth. We hear more about Ron Paul. Well, Iowa and New Hampshire will pick the candidates (again!) this year. Let's see if all those handshakes did any good or if the voters (like the Dems in 2004) will decide to "pick a winner".
I'll have to wait and see if the Sunday shows air the commercial, but I don't think they will. They have chosen Romney as their "anti-illegal immigration" candidate.
The GOP needs Tom on the ticket before I'll vote for them. Duncan Hunter is an acceptable fill-in.
A quick note:
I've deleted the comments that had to do with a pair of racial slurs in an earlier comment above.
-Marisol
The ad will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes until bodies are stacked up like cord wood. Most American are in denial on this issue, they can't believe a religion that encourages death and conquest exists.
As far as securing the borders go:
The Left won't secure the borders because they want the Hispanic vote and they have to deal with a belligerant Hispanic caucus that is blackmailing the rest of the party withholding their votes.
The right is too busy sucking up to business and shafting the American worker on rotten trade agreements to give a shit.
And both are working on North American Union.
There appear to be at least two Marwan'sDaughters around. I did not make the referenced comment on LGF. There is also another one, possibly, who took some photographs of an incident during Islamo-Fascism Week.
While I may have reservations about some aspects of the fight against jihad, they would not include bad-mouthing Robert Spencer. Questioning, perhaps, but never bad-mouthing.
I almost hate to bring this up, but...
Tancredo's primary political issue is immigration. If you watch the ad (http://teamtancredo.org/), even though it's supposedly about Jihad, it starts with the phrase:
What does this rhetoric have to do with Jihad?
Nothing.
Worse, Tancredo has some questionable (if only indirect) affiliations with, you guessed it, certain "right-of-center" backers and groups. See http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=917
For example, in June 2003, Tancredo wrote a letter defending VDARE.com and its creator Peter Brimelow, who defended "white nationalist" authors on his site by saying "they are not white supremacists....but they unashamedly work for their people." (http://coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=215)
Sound like a familiar story?
Any defense position, with as little required speaking as possible, would be perfect for Tanc.
I take this to be a typo. Certainly we want the retired Tanc speaking as frequently and as loudly as possible.
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What we're seeing here is Fictive Reality in action, in this case the Fictive Reality that moderate Islam and moderate Moslems actually exist, and Diana's long list of jihad terror war attacks across the globe were perpetrated by "radical" or "extreme" Moslems who have "hijacked one of the world's great religions."
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This is absurd, of course. The inactive Moslems glow with pride today when they hear of the actions of activist Moslems. They squeal with joy today in the same way as they danced in the streets of New York and New Jersey (and Islamabad) during the late morning of 9/11/01, a sunny yet dark day in the eastern half of the United States.
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Fictive Reality in action, here, is the will to force self-censorship and attach incredibility to Tancredo. Though his message may be true, it's offensive, and therefore must be held as absoultely untrue by persons made discomfited by it, such as the cowards running the Denver Post (a truly rotten and worthless newspaper).
Kamala, so it is OK with you that hundreds of thousands of undocumented workers keep wages artificially depressed. Wages are based on supply and demand. Once upon a time in America, a common laborer could feed a family of four on his income.
awake,
Well I have heard that Lizards were coming here to cause trouble.
Pelayo,
My point is that whether you or I or anyone else is "OK" or not with undocumented workers simply has nothing to do with Jihad.
Reactions to this ad (and to Tancredo broadly) by writers, analysts, and the general public can't help but factor in his positions on immigration.
Kamala, OK, but I will stick with Tancredo, warts and all.
Tancredo is doing something which must be done even if it hurts him in the short term..
"The Utopias of one age have been the realities of the next." Charles Sumner (1851-1874), Senator, Massachusetts
If the coming presidential election is going to be about immigration and taxes, Tancredo is not that far off.
A possible VP.
On-topic, I think. The free market at work in Detroit:
The discussion quickly escalated into a fight with two more people from the BP station brawling with rivals at Marathon. One man was hit with a baseball bat in the melee. And then, police say, the 51-year-old owner of the Marathon station pulled out a gun and shot the owner of the BP, Jawad Bazzi, a 45-year-old father of five children.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=294c7893-a059-43bd-81ce-afc69f90cff2
Immediately following the death of the competitor, prices jump at the Marathon.
Tancredo:
“There are consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs.”
Kamela:
What does this rhetoric have to do with Jihad?
Nothing.
Nothing?
Oh you mean that it would be below the dignity of a well bread moslem terrorist to enter the US via the open border because it would make him look as someone with an intention to take a job from Americans?
Now, THAT would be embarrassing! What would the folks back home thing if they learned of such a uncivilized behavior? It could really ruin his murderer career…
Correction:
I wrote "What would the folks back home thing.." - it should be "think" of course.
I like the Tancredo credo. He seems to understand the fury over illegal immigration, which is not only a security issue, but a democratic one, as democracy reflects the will of a country's citizens to control their destiny, which fundamentally includes determining an immigration policy. Flouting this basic right makes people feel vulnerable and ignored, and some of the self-righteous lectures heard from the snoot gallery only add insult to injury.
Sounds like guilt by association to me.
Michelle Malkin writes for their site from time to time. Her articles appear there. Is she a white supremacist as well? Could it be that VDARE just allows free inquiry and difference of opinion?
A few of the authors on that site are either a) Mexican, or b) married to Mexicans. I'm sure they're white supremacists too though.
There are consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs.
What does this rhetoric have to do with Jihad?
Nothing.
Posted by: kamala at November 16, 2007 5:16 PM
Gotta disagree with you on this one.
The refusal to control our borders--and it is a refusal--provides the opportunity and path for illegal aliens of every stripe to enter this country; repeatedly in many cases.
From peasants merely looking for work to the jihadists intent on truly harming us.
The main message of that ad, as I understand it, is border security.
Frank posted this at 429
"Winston Churchill was called a war monger, heckled, and was the subject of numerous sanctimonious editorials and attacks for his "fear mongering" in the 1930's re Hitler and the Nazis. Churchill called this time "my out of step period". Eventually his critics got in step with Prime Minister Churchill."
Our local library had a book sale, I found Churchills book about the interwar period on sale for a quarter, The Gathering Storm, so that is a bit of synchronicity.
American foreign policy no longer is tuned to the containment of Communism, now our policy is geared to globalization, that policy of globalization empowers Jihadists, making it easier to move people and assets from country to country. That policy also will not make the rest of the world like america, but make america more like the rest of the world, to some that may be a good thing, but to me it is a shame, it sums up the venal attitude of familiarity breeding contempt.
PRCS,
The Tancredo phrase I called out was about "20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs."
What does the specific issue of aliens "taking our jobs" have to do with Jihad?
I'll call myself an American supremeist, Tancredo isn't saying anything that the other candidates don't know. His electability is the bottem line, and he will not get the votes. The issue of illeagle aliens should be of concern to all Americans, but we've to a point in America where we lable poeple as African,Mexican,Native,Irish, and so forth American. Until we all, stand as Americans first it will not matter what any seeker of the office of the Presidency of this great nation says, as we are so divided. Hell we won't call a terrorist a terrorist or an illeagle alien, an illeagle alien.
My daughter works at a manufacturing company in which about half the workers are illegals. There is no question that she would be better paid were it not for them. They not only take our jobs, they depress our wages. But don't kid yourself, businesses love the cheap labor, and money talks.
Kamala,
The porous border.
IMO.
The Tancredo phrase I called out was about "20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs."
No Kamela, that is NOT what you wrote. Your original posting is still here for everyone to see. You misquote your own comment and distort the message of Tancredo.
Here are the words of Tancredo that you originally quoted:
"There are consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs.
The key word here is "beyond" and by leaving it out you are guilty of a most crude and stupid forgery. Don't they teach you better in your madrassa?
My daughter works at a manufacturing company in which about half the workers are illegals. There is no question that she would be better paid were it not for them. They not only take our jobs, they depress our wages. But don't kid yourself, businesses love the cheap labor, and money talks.
Posted by: jewdog at November 16, 2007 7:27 PM
You bet. They (business) privatize the profits and socialize the costs in this. "Cheap labor" does not exist-except for those who hire illegals.
I should have been clearer in the original post; the "rhetoric" I was referring to was about illegal workers "taking our jobs."
Of course I understand (and agree with) the "beyond" part as the Jihadi threat.
I just wish Tancredo could have made the point about Jihad without bringing up "taking our jobs." The issue of undocumented workers earning low wages is a divisive one, and it's unfortunate that Tancredo only brought up Jihad in the context of border security...
It would have been a much more compelling ad if he addressed "homegrown Jihad" as well (which as we all know is what caused the London attacks the ad speaks about), and left out the "taking our jobs" bit. Had he done that, he would have captured more support from those wholly concerned about Jihad but who are apathetic or ambivalent about the unrelated issue of low-wage, illegal workers in this country from Mexico.
And Thomas, need you resort to personal insults? A quick search for my name on this Web site should make it clear to you that I'm not exactly the madrassa-attending type.
Frank you say your daughter would be better paid if it wasn't fot the illegals, well as as small business owner without production you cannot earn a higher wage.
Frank you say your daughter would be better paid if it wasn't for the illegals.Well as as small business owner without production you cannot earn a higher wage.
lol sorry Frank should have said Jewdog, typing and Crown Royal don't mix!
Marwan'sDaughter:
"Weren't all the terrorists for the World Trade Center, Madrid, and Beslan, to name three examples, "legally" resident?"
Yes, although the ad says:
"There are consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who have come to take our jobs. Islamic terrorists now freely roam U.S. soil, jihadists who froth with hate, here to do as they have in London, Spain, Russia. The price we pay for spineless politicians who refuse to defend our borders against those who come to kill."
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TANCREDO_AD
So it juxtaposes but does not limit its statement about the threats to illegal immigrants.
The ad is fear-mongering, in that it designed to play on fear. However, fear is in this case entirely justified.
lol sorry Frank should have said Jewdog, typing and Crown Royal don't mix!
lol sorry Frank should have said Jewdog, typing and Crown Royal don't mix!
I prefer "Truth-Mongering".
AMartinez-
You misread my comment. I was responding to JD. I've done that myself on occasion-I've responded to the wrong person.
People often say that they can't get over the chaos in the world-actually I'm amazed at the relative order in the world given the so-so nature of our perceptions re fact, data, reality. We often get things wrong. For some (human) reason we tend to see what we desire to see in data.
AMartinez-
We humans do tend to get it right eventually.-LOL
Tancredo has always been ahead of the others in his understanding of the dangers of the jihadists. But, isn't it possible that those who intend to destroy us are already here? and have been here is secret cells for years? Lying in wait as they plan, connive, deceive and pretend to be moderate, friendly, neighborly Muslims? Like the TV game show, Who Do You Trust?
And Thomas, need you resort to personal insults? A quick search for my name on this Web site should make it clear to you that I'm not exactly the madrassa-attending type.
You are right Kamala. I sincerely apologize.
For example, in June 2003, Tancredo wrote a letter defending VDARE.com and its creator Peter Brimelow, who defended "white nationalist" authors on his site by saying "they are not white supremacists....but they unashamedly work for their people."
Kamala, so what?
I'm presently reading a book by Bill Cosby. In that book you can find constant references to "our people". Guess what, he is not talking about Asians, or Whites, or Hispanics or Hawaiians, etc etc, he is talking about his racial/ethnic group. I don't hear people getting all verklempt over HIS identifying with his "group". The same applies across the board, the only race that is denied this ability to identify and aggrandize themselves by race/ethnicity are whites.
Can you say....double standard?
Either you ban racial/ethnic identity comments/politics for ALL groups, or for none.
Now, if you believe that breaking into groups this way is dangerous to the cohesiveness of the United States, that we should be working to replace "black" or "white" or "hispanic" or "Asian" with the common identity of U.S. CITIZEN, you might have a better point.
Not only does the company my daughter works at employ many illegals, but it also is primarily a defense contractor. Thus, my daughter makes bombs to kill jihadis at wages depressed by illegal aliens. There's something wrong with this picture...or is it just the Royal Crown?
"Fear mongering"
The ad is simply stating the painfully OBVIOUS truth that our borders are not secure and terrorists without question have ALREADY exploited this weakness and are here waiting for the right time to execute. People criticizing this ad are just disconnected with this reality in various ways per whatever mindset they are coming from.
Pretending this isn't so or attacking the messenger is just setting up yourself for the bigger shock WHEN another major attack occurs.
Tighten up the borders and deal with the Jihadists already here. No time to play games anymore people.
Yes. A sickening one.
Europe already has a kind of wall in the shape of the fences that surround the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla: the things look about 15' tall, with barbed wire but every so often groups of would-be immigrants try to swarm over them rushing forward carrying ladders like troops carrying out an escalade in the days when people stormed forts.
People are frequently getting drowned by the boat-load trying to make it from the African mainland to the Canaries or across the Straits of Gibralter.There's something rather frightening about the determination of these people to get in - and of course, if they are caught and sent back they just try again.
To put a real end to this sort of thing I think Europeans are going to have to be far more brutal and draconian than they have been to date and there would be a definite split in public opinion about that. I'd imagine the same problem about whether people really had the stomach for it would develope in the US.
The fact that there are so many people willing and eager to trash Mr. Tancredo's warnings only makes me shudder for the future of my country and of our Western Judaeo-Christian civilization. There are too many people who have dull sensibilities for the presence of Evil. Their imaginations and their reason cannot wrap themselves around a tough reality. And they may be afraid to do so, because once you admit the fact of Evil/Satan/Allah, you MUST also accept the reality of God. And vice-versa. And there are people who fear the very possibility that our lives are more than our own and that we have moral claims made on us.
Too many have accepted the deaths of thousands, including our own citizens, as a reasonable cost of doing business in the world. They consider Islamic jihad just a sporadic crime, not a historical pattern of imperialistic totalitarianism. If only we would make just the right concessions, the Devil will leave us alone in peace. Except that these people do not take into consideration the immorality of their position: we have not the right to bargain with other people's lives in order to placate the insatiable appetite of Satan.
They already have...repeatedly.
Imagine who is crossing in the open desert.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57289
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/05/23/terrorists-come-over-the-open-border-no-way/
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/031006/6venezuela.htm
buckshot: Hugo Chavez is a master at the politics of envy, which is interesting because so much of Islamic redicalism channels feelings of inferiority into vengeance and compensating images of power.
My message to Chavez is: You are inferior, pipsqueak!
jewdog, you wrote Royal Crown back at 8:52. I'm gonna guess you meant Crown Royal. They ain't (hic) the same.
There are consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who've come to take our jobs.
My point is that whether you or I or anyone else is "OK" or not with undocumented workers simply has nothing to do with Jihad.
Kamala,
The problem is these issues are intertwined. Our unguarded borders create problems in many areas, both economic and security-related. Jihad and undocumented workers are symptoms of the same problem: our failure to maintain our sovereignty and enforce our laws. Why is it necessary to "concentrate" on jihad? Why can't two issues have the same solution? It's a way of building coalitions - people with different objectives can reach them via the same path. People who never considered the border to be a problem might realize that it hurts them in other ways. People who are focused only on illegal workers might see the security risk.
As for Tancredo's association with certain "right-of-center" backers and groups, can you please be more specific about what offends you? What does being "right-of-center" have to do with anything?
"There appear to be at least two Marwan'sDaughters around. I did not make the referenced comment on LGF. There is also another one, possibly, who took some photographs of an incident during Islamo-Fascism Week."
Marwan'sDaughters,
Are you suggesting that you, under this moniker and the one that posts at LGF are two different people? Or rather are you stating that someone. somehow, stole your identity at LGF?
"Bad-mouthing" versus "questioning" is subjective. Or are you saying that the commentary I referred to does not exist, or is a product of someone pirating your moniker?
Just wondering.
If LGF uses something other than Type-Key as a registration system, someone else could use the name Awake or Pelayo.
Well I have heard that Lizards were coming here to cause trouble.
Posted by: Elric66 at November 16, 2007 5:31 PM
Elric,
That is my biggest concern. Knowing full well that Robert has open registration and Charles does not, I question any potentially negative comments on LGF by people who also post here in this community.
This is not a popularity contest. I have supported Charles, even though I am NOT a member of the LGF community. I fully expect the same reciprocal courtesy.
The anti-jihad movement needs us all, as few as we are. Moral and ethical superiority should be proven to me, not just professed, by undocumented others, out there, on the fringe.
treehugger writes:
In theory, you're right.
But the reality is that the well-known "whites" who want to self-identify with other "whites," and have any interest at all in talking about "whites" as "our people," tend to say odd things about Jews (and the Holocaust) and other non-whites.
Let's take Jared Taylor, the "white nationalist" defended by Brimelow on VDARE.com. Read his comments about the Holocaust and learn about his friendship with Holocaust denier Mark Weber here, and judge for yourself: http://inverted-world.com/index.php/news/news/another_eagle_eyed_white_nationalist_finds_me_out/
awake,
Robert also doesnt use the ban stick like a hammer like Charles does. Naseem post here proves Robert's tolerance.
I was a member of LGF and was banned before the recent craziness. There were some good people over there but its run by the elite snobs who will get you banned if they dont like you. Plus the fact that they have no answer to save the West from Islamicfication.
We would all be better off if they stay there and we stay here. But as you said, its easier said than done since its open reg. here all the time while Charles picks when he opens his reg. and for only 10 minutes or so.
PMK writes:
Border security is but one part of the entire solution required to keep the USA safe from Jihad.
Your point about building coalitions is of course a double-edged sword; here's another perspective: Mexicans are overwhelmingly Christian and by and large quite religious. We've seen in Europe what happens when Judeo-Christian fervor/belief wanes.
If you agree that Jihad is the biggest threat, in many ways the people of Mexico and Latin America are our real allies. Without defending the fact that our immigration laws are lax and borders are not enforced, it's a fact that Tancredo's views on immigration are not liked by the Hispanic community. That's a big lost opportunity--a lost opportunity to gain an entire community of allies in our most important fight, the fight against Jihad.
If LGF uses something other than Type-Key as a registration system, someone else could use the name Awake or Pelayo.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
Well, Pelayo, do you know what the reg is for LGF or are you simply stating a fact, because I do not know.
I should have been clearer in the original post; the "rhetoric" I was referring to was about illegal workers "taking our jobs."
Of course I understand (and agree with) the "beyond" part as the Jihadi threat.
I just wish Tancredo could have made the point about Jihad without bringing up "taking our jobs." The issue of undocumented workers earning low wages is a divisive one, and it's unfortunate that Tancredo only brought up Jihad in the context of border security...
Posted by: kamala at November 16, 2007 7:49 PM
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In the first place, you are reading too much into the statement. The fact is, most of those coming here illegally ARE coming to take our jobs. Whether you think it is a good thing (just here to do the jobs Americans won't do) or a bad thing (depressing wages for the most vulnerable Americans) is immaterial. It's just the cold, hard truth. But the problem goes beyond people being here for jobs. Yeah, MOST of them might be coming here for jobs -- but not ALL.
In the second place, though, I think the fact that illegal aliens do get jobs increases the threat of terrorist attacks. For one thing, just by being here, they have broken a law. By getting a job, they have broken a whole host of other laws, such as document fraud. Let's consider document fraud. Several of the 9/11 hijackers procured fake documents in a 7/11 store parking lot -- a "business" that mostly catered to illegal aliens who just wanted the documents they needed to get jobs. The fact that there are millions of illegal alien customers for fake documents means that terrorists don't have to look long or hard to find willing and able suppliers.
And then there's the whole flouting the laws issue. We are supposed to be a nation of laws -- laws passed by the legislative branch, upheld by the judicial branch, and enforced by the executive branch. When laws are continually violated without penalty, it leads to a lack of confidence in the government's willingness or ability to enforce laws -- which leads to even more law breaking. It's the broken-window theory on a national scale. Want to see Sharia implemented in some parts of the US? Why not, if our laws have no teeth anyway. If our laws are already being enforced selectively, we can hardly protest that sharia violates our "equal protections under the law" provisions.
CJ writes:
In fact, when I was at a concert recently and smelled a big waft of marijuana smoke, I thought exactly the same thing... And I felt the same way in college when I saw some freshmen holding a beer.
#35 marwan's daughter 11/15/07 8:09:51 am reply quote report 0
Allright. So Robert Spencer himself wants nothing to do with neo-Nazis, but he needs a moderator because it looks like the dregs of LGF have popped up. I'll still continue reading Jihad Watch, but I won't read those comments.
Nice of Marwan to accept Robert's clarification.
Moderator neccesity noted.
Dregs?, well maybe a few...No different from Marwyn's "perfect world".
Won't read the comments, but will reply to them???
"If LGF uses something other than Type-Key as a registration system, someone else could use the name Awake or Pelayo."
Awake, I'm, stating a possibility. Read the "If." I have never tried to sign up with LGF; it's always closed. Other forums do not use TypeKey and I use another name on those.
#64 marwan's daughter 11/15/07 8:18:59 am reply quote report 0
Where the hell is Marisol and Hugh Fitzgerald? While Robert travels all over the place, they can act as moderators. Because the comments section is the ONLY thing that sucks.
Don't pull any punches Marwyn, how do you really feel?
Like I said previously, I am just trying to keep it real. This nonsense between Robert and Charles does not exist, nor should it. It is merely the workings of inconsequential commentators, myself included, to thump their own chests, myself not included in that regard.
I do however, love the finality of the internet impression. It is a good example to thwart attempted re-writers of history.
Pelayo,
I was not challenging your comment. I was merely inquiring, for I do not know.
This was simply to challenge Marwyn's statement, which I believe I have adequately documented to this point.
Cheers,
awake
With Border Patrol estimates that 1 out of 10 are OTM, and with the concerted effort of Islamic terror groups to learn Spanish and the mannerisms of Mexicans, it time to close the border - regardless of how anyone thinks about people taking jobs. We can't profile Muslims in the US thanks to the Arab Caliphite Liberties Union, so we need some way of keeping everyone out until proven a non-jihadist.
Off-topic: the spat between anti-Jihad groups is just what CAIR ordered. I'm very pro-Israeli, but right now certain groups in Europe are all that we have - our only hope to fight the spread of Islam. Lets work together on this and sort out our differences on other issues later. Or do we fight and bicker and let the Jihadis win?
Hmmm...
what makes me wonder is how the same MSM starts in on their political enemies like Tancredo...at the same time as the 5th columns allies do...
like PRAVDA.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/16-11-2007/101137-Tom_Tancredo-0
gee...what a co-ink-a-dink!
I'll take Tancredo anyway over Rudy "sanctuary" Hiuiliani, Hillary "MAkes sense" Clinton or any other candidates. The point is, Tancredo cares for America, speaks his mind and is an experiences seasoned statesman.
In these times of treason and trechery, Tancredo will take back America from sellouts like Bush and Slick-willy.
There.. I spoke my mind and feel American :)
I visited (through proxy site) LGF comments for the first time in months. As I write, most recent comments have nothing to do with GWOT, unless al-Qaeda makes guitar strings. I'm happy to stay out of the current dispute. I'll check out LGF comments again in 2009. I have over 30,000 GWOT articles on file; I doubt if 40 were loaded off LGF. I get the anti-idiotarian message: Kos surfers are creeps, and that needs to be repeated like Peshawar Madrasa mantras; Euro Clashers are white crap; Bush is a saint, and it is the devil who makes him lose the last word of every sentence he ad libs; Europe needs Kosovo; "political islam" died on 9-11 (cough); Annapolis ain't Auschwitz2; the 1.5 trillion was worth it; Islam is peace; Pakis love their American benefactors; India, Russia and China are worth ignoring; Howard Stern invented shock radio; LGF needs to load 6 cookies onto my computer; Bush isn't owned by the Saudis or in league with his Iranian shiapets in Iraq; nation-building in Islamofascist entities is a good thing; US cash transfers to the House of Saud are a good thing, and kick backs are a myth; Cheney deserved the $60 million he made off GW1; Michael Moore never even told a half truth; ISNA and CAIR are bad, but good because Bush supports them; there is no such thing as a white ex-racist or fascist; Bush will attack Iran, and not just coast into post administration millions; Condi could speak Russian like a Russian expert, if she really wanted to; there are no heroin factories in Helmand, Afghanistan; he loves the smell of smart bombs in the morning; mixing Islam with Christianity and Judaism is something Abraham would approve; what's Temple Mount?; PTDS syndrome suicides are not the result of unwinnable war experience; Bush fulfilled his military obligations; 24-7-365 patrols into IED/sniper territory, is the way to win a war; Pashtos don't really give up land, after we hand conquered territory to Karzai's clowns; disproportionate retaliation is un-Israeli and un-American; Pakistan wasn't on the ropes on 9-11; Muslims can shed jihad obligations, like a snake can shed its skin; nuclear tipped ICBMs will never launch on the US Homeland from a Muslim jihad state; a socially religious Middle East is a peaceful Middle East; personal agendas have nothing to do with US-Saudi relations; we don't mass kill because we don't mass kill, and that's that because that's that; we have to respect the choice of Muslim voters; Bush really wants to speak out against ethnic cleansing in Muslim tyrannies, but he doesn't because he doesn't; colleges are the frontline of the GWOT; ad nauseum. Frankly, we are worse off since 9-11, and we are worse off because a majority trusted Bush, and those who could have forestalled his suicidal dhimmism did nothing about it.
Can all the Clashers just support the people who want to kill jihadis? We will slaughter Muslims by the tens of millions before this GWOT is over. When there is good cause, jihadis will be shot on sight throughout Western Civilization. Unfortunately, it will take valuable time before we engage this mortal and viral enemy by the appropriate means, if not at the right time. The name George Walker Bush will resonate through history like Benedict Arnold, Quisling and Olmert.
Wonderful post, supercargo about LGF comments section.
BRILLIANT
My God, the comments section over there.
Deary friggin' me.
Tancredo has a chance if Americans, specially on this site, took a positive view of his chances and stopped saying that "he has no chance".
Go out and join his campaign team as a volunteeer. That is the best way to give him a chance. As a JW member you will have the necessary knowledge to back up Tancredo's statements with knowledge of Islam.
What I do think is that terrorism will continue in the West but not with big bangs such as on 9/11. These incidents will be calculated to have the effect of the continued Islamisation of the US, but not large enough to provoke a huge backlash.
The real threat of Islamisation comes from the demographic one - immigration and the huge birth rate of Muslims. How we tackle this is the real problem.
Cyberkada
You are right. The spat between anti-Jihad groups is tragic. However, it needs pointing out that the spat is between blogs and not between those who are actually doing something about the Islamisation of the West. SIOE and SIAD for instance, go out on street demonstrations, despite being attacked. These are the real anti-Jihad fronts. Blogs are useful but they should be there to support the likes of the SIOE. VB, SD, and even the BNP are campaigning for elections, and that is where the real fight is. America, given the response of the MSM to Tancredo's ad, and with no political party that sees Islam as a threat, is in mortal peril from Islam even more then Europe.
Who is LGF and is there a future for cultism in America amongst posters (lol) ?
The question is are your beliefs rational and are you prepared to fight for them (are you a warrior or a worryer ?)
Our armies must not clash at night - unless we have night vision goggles.
Kamala-
Holocaust denial is stupid. But no more stupid then the "whites were created in a lab by the evil scientist Yacub" schtick of Farrakhan and his ilk.
Bottom line, if people in the US are going to start making their cultural/ethnic identity more important then their citizenship identity, more whites ARE going to be joining their own racial identity crowd and they will stop being embarrassed about it.
There will be no other choice, since you can't play the "citizenship as our common bond" game if no one else will play with you.
Re LGF:
FWIW, I happened to make it through one of those ten-minute windows, one day :-) Just for the hell of it, I logged in, a few minutes ago, and wasn't directed to anything like the Typekey login. I'm fortyish, and sometimes the belts in my brain slip a little, but I don't recall registering through Typekey, either.
PS
I've never commented on any of the items there; each time I visit, I feel like I'm listening to communications between the Borg. Yesterday, I read several posts from people who believe we've "won" the war in Iraq. Surreal...
Calling Mr. Tancredo a 'fear-monger' for drawing attention to the Islamic holy war being waged against America by Islam is like calling chemotherapy treatment for cancer manipulative. The only way I know of to solve a problem is to confront it and take steps to resolve it--not to ignore it. The more serious the problem, the more urgently it needs to be attended to. The left's pretending jihad against America doesn't exist is starting to sound more and more like a "hate crime" as it is leaving Americans vulnerable to attacks (intentionally perhaps?) and we all know how the political left hates Americans!
The United States is confronted with a problem of enormous magnitude (a jihad has been delared against it which calls for the total destruction of our nation state), and now we have a bunch of powerful but cowardly-assed goons telling us not to confront it because we don't want to live in a state of fear!
Mr. Tancredo certainly deserves to win this presidential election by a landslide. Unfortunately, he won't, probably because he hasn't worked hard enough to make himself visible to the masses (many people, believe it or not, still don't know who the heck he is!)
treehugger said:
"Bottom line, if people in the US are going to start making their cultural/ethnic identity more important then their citizenship identity, more whites ARE going to be joining their own racial identity crowd and they will stop being embarrassed about it."
Count on it, you are already seeing it happen. You can't celebrate the "diversity" of every cult that survived into the 20th century, then say that everyone is great except white males and their Eurocentric culture and not expect such a blatant hypocrisy to be pointed out and used. Teaching that only white people can be racist and that all white people are racist is a suicidal racist fantasy, and not just suicidal for white people.
"Hate crime" legislation and "diversity/sensitivity" programs are not just rackets, they're dangerous rackets, and should be replaced with "we're all in this together" programs. They should be uniformly condemned by everyone, all races, and all "genders". We already have laws to govern interpersonal conduct. It's hard enough to get people to agree on overt, observable action. It's silly to think we can somehow opine a person's feelings during a crime; it's even sillier to think we should.
Yup. When I want to get my company's message out that's what I do.
I run down to the nearest university and look for a professor of "communications" (whatever the hell that is).
And I'm here to tell you that if you want a real genius in this deep, difficult and exact science, you get yourself out to the University of Iowa double-quick!
That's where you find your real geniuses.
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PS this mental giant is apparently unaware of the common knowledge that when H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds" was first broadcast on radio, it caused a mass panic.
But hey, "This is just blatant, raw fear images, and they've never worked in the United States, period."
He's a professor of communications, after all.
I think he needs a little work on his English though.
It is interesting to see that, other than DP111 (Tancredo has a chance if Americans, specially on this site, took a positive view of his chances and stopped saying that "he has no chance".) , none of the other posts, while starting with "We need someone like Tancredo..." follow up with the "But he won't get elected". Are these postere helpless? Do they not have the sacred right to vote? If yes, why the pessimism? Why not just decide to do the right thing and vote for someone "We need"? My I remind the posters that ballot is not a ritual/a mindless routine/ a chore, but the one and only weapon of change in a democracy? Declaring "But he vol't get elected", posters are no different than the anti-American democrats who declare "But we are fighting a war we cannot win", thereby throwing the weapon of change and waving thwe white flag of surrender. Also, declaring the results of a poll, not yet taken, to a certain degree, defeats the purpose of the poll. It is like saying "We need someone like Churchill, but he won't get elected.". Unfortunately, intellectual arguements, if not channalized, can prove destructive. And in a system like ours, ballot is the only weapon of change we have. Let us make sure we use this powerful weapon of change with strength and conviction, rather than waste it over self-defeating pessimism.
Finally, Nowhere has Diana West declared that "Tom Tancredo will not win". So, who are we to declare the results the results of the ballot?
Tom Tancredo, in al;l his limitations, is more patriotic than all the challangers put togather. Yes, he does not have the gift of walking on the fence, or to flip-flop or to make false promises, but then, do we want a president/commander-in-chief who is a spineless, timid, corrupt liar, yet again?
At this Thanksgiving, let us thank Diana West for supporting the candidate we need in the white house, and the candidate: Tom Tancredo, himself:
http://teamtancredo.typepad.com/
http://www.teamamericapac.org/
http://www.congress.org/
You can go two ways: ban all identity politics, or allow everyone to participate. Either way, whites deserve a level playing field along with everyone else.
Alert,
Regarding Tancredo's chances, I support him and I plan to vote for him. People whose primary news source is television can be forgiven for being unaware that he is even running. He gets almost no campaign coverage. His name never comes up in discussions on the horse-race, except in a derogatory (he's a bigot, divisive, etc.) way. It's all Giuliani, Romney, McCain and, now, Huckabee.
Tancredo surprised me by staying in the race. I was sure he'd pack it in and run again for Congress.
The question is: what do Republican primary voters want: a candidate who takes stands on issues that are important to them or "a winner"?
That was the choice faced by Dems in 2004 and they quickly gave us John Kerry, deciding he was "a winner". The nomination race was over before the votes were counted in New Hampshire.
I plan to vote and I know my vote will not be for any of the "top tier" candidates, for one simple reason: I don't trust any of them.
Tancredo's a good man but he's too far ahead of his time. He has the right message but he's not the right messenger. Similar here historically is Samuel Adams during the American Revolutionary period on the inevitability of independence or Billy Mitchell in the 1920s on the need for air power. What we ultimately require in the struggle against Islamic evil is the right messenger with the right message. That person hasn't appeared yet. In the meantime, I would contend the best we have to date respecting the capacity to get elected Chief Executive, along with something of the right message, is Giuliani. History moves forward ordinarily one step at a time. The surrender at Yorktown gave America independence. It didn't free the slaves, give women the right to vote or provide us with decaffeinated coffee that tastes as good as regular. Be patient. We will prevail. No way Islam conquers the world.
Indeed, how does any credible, responsible presidential candidate ignore the potential connection between shopping-mall targets and porous borders?
Answer: At this nation's politically correct peril.
Herein, lies the litmus test of US Presidential race. Being repetedly cheated by politicians at all levels, Americans should have learnt their lessons well. Americans should also judge the candidates by the issues they AVOID, as much, if not less, than the issues they face. Dubya didn't breath a word about his "immigration reform", "Guest worker program", "Aid to Saudi Arabia" and "prosecuting law-enforcers to shield criminals", before the elections.
Tom Tancredo does not shy away from any challange, however big. Tom was one of the few, if not the only official to visit Beslan after the barbaric massacar of elementary school children. Read about it in Tom's book: "In Mortal Danger" ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50309 ). In this age of confusion and deception, one candidate Americans will not be confused about or decieved by, is Tom Tancredo, which is more than what one can say of Tom's challangers... another litmus test, if you see the point.
Know more about Tom at: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/letterslist/?id=685
There appears to be no way to convince "awake" that someone else is perfectly free to use the Marwan's Daughter tag pretty much anywhere they'd like. "Bint Marwan" was the poet Asma's surname, and it means "Marwan's Daughter." It's a good tag that both honors the nursing mother murdered in her bed on Mohammed's command, and displays disgust at the man and the ideology that killed her.
I am not registered on LGF and did not make the referenced comments. Go pick your bone with them.
Finally, it appears that Canada, with its high Muslim immigration and repeated bouts of both attempted and successful Islamization, is more of a border threat than Mexico. We've even *caught* terrorists crossing that border. Somehow, though, we don't seem to be drawing up plans for walls, shotgun towers, minefields, or Minutemen there.
And how is a nonporous border going to affect the "ease of access" to malls, schools, and train stations anyway? Those are two entirely separate issues. Unless we're talking about placing border guards checking papers at the entrances to those places as well, I just don't see much of a connection.
Only if "borders" is taken to mean a thorough review of *all* means of entry in the U.S., including the overhaul of visas, work permits (especially for foreign-trained Muslim clerics), family "reunification," bride importation, and the like does it make any sense with regard to jihadism -- and boy, does it ever. But with all due respect, I don't think that's what Tancredo is pitching here.
I would contend the best we have to date respecting the capacity to get elected Chief Executive, along with something of the right message, is Giuliani. History moves forward ordinarily one step at a time. The surrender at Yorktown gave America independence. It didn't free the slaves, give women the right to vote or provide us with decaffeinated coffee that tastes as good as regular. Be patient. We will prevail. No way Islam conquers the world.
Posted by: Wellington at November 17, 2007 8:32 PM
Time moves forward, which it will, weather we vote or not. Weather the right candidate comes to white house or not. Impressive as your narration sounds, there is a fundamental flaw in your analysis. Time, not history, moves forward. History is made by the deeds of man. History would not have been made at the Oval office, had Slick-Willy not done Monika, but it did. History would not have been made at Mogadishu, from where US commander-in-chief, still busy doing Monika, ran like a rat, but it did. History would not have been made at USS Cole, but it did. History would not been made on 9/11, but it did.. Point is, History is made by deeds of man. In the above cases I have listed above, History was made at a huge American price. Do we want to watch complacently as enemies walk over USA (and History moves forward)? Is that the kind of History we want? If not, appropriate response, not indifference, is called for. And that is what Tom TAncredo is doing. He is responding, as best a democratic way as he can, to Islamic hostilities and Mexican criminals. It will not be lost on you that Rudy "Sanctuary" Giuliani went to court to help, not New Yorkers, but illegal aliens who rape New Yorkers. Rudy's problem: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1684213,00.html waa a close pal, who had no problem with breaking the law: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/mskoped122604.html This will also tell you what side of illegal immigration Rudy stands. Finally, one may argue that we already have one, but does America want another president/commander-in-chief, who believes illegal immigration is not a crime, and has, not surprisingly, criminals in high places?
That is Rudy "Sanctuary" Giuliani. Now, take one look at Tom Tancredo's record and you know who, of the two, is good for America. Thank you.
Tom Tancredo has co-sponcored the SAVE act, and looks to have support on both party's sides.
"Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) introduced the SAVE Act (H.R. 4088) on Tuesday, November 6, emphasizing the principles of Attrition Through Enforcement. The SAVE Act will broaden and enhance border security and interior enforcement. With a number of border security Democrats and Republicans already agreeing to co-sponsor, this bipartisan effort may be Congress’s best chance to achieve substantial immigration reform this Congress."
Tom Tancredo is for real, and is needed at this time and place. Check out H.R.4088 to see why he supports it, then look to the others, I wager not all president want to be's will.
Alert: Thanks for your commentary and the links. I would argue that future history and time move in sync with one another, sometimes the result of human direction, sometimes not. I like to think it more of the former rather than the latter since I try to distance myself from the determinist Marxist school of thought as much as possible.
I don't deny Giuliani gives those of us who see illegal and Muslim immigration as a menace to the American Republic reason to pause before supporting him, but the same could be said of pro-life folks who understandably are sceptical of old Rudy since he has been pro-choice. But I have a sense he knows all this and will govern differently as President than as Mayor of NYC. In any case, I would still stick with the proposition that he's the best of all the electable candidates out there, though I wouldn't mind all that much if McCain or Romney were in the Oval Office. No Democrat running for Chief Executive is anything but a joke in my opinion, especially where defense and foreign affairs are concerned. No one, however, meets all the requirements I would like. Tancredo has the right ideas on immigration and Islam, but he's not even as electable for President as Bob Dole was, another good man but not a good candidate. Also, I would invoke Winston Churchill here by seconding the wisdom in his remark that America always does the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities.
Conquering the Islamic ideology will come in stages. Oh, I'd like it done all at once as many others who post here would. But I guarantee that won't happen. Momentous events and significant directions nations take almost always come one step at a time. Most Americans still don't know how truly invidious Islam is to our way of life. They will. It will take time, but they will. For now, I still aver that Giuliani is about the best out there, flawed though he is. My best to you.
Marwan'sDaughter wrote:
"There appears to be no way to convince "awake" that someone else is perfectly free to use the Marwan's Daughter tag pretty much anywhere they'd like."
"I am not registered on LGF and did not make the referenced comments. Go pick your bone with them."
IF that is the case then I apologize for assuming the both of you are the same person.