They deny it, however, because to do so would have been against Sharia, and they act, they say, according to Sharia in all cases.
So consider once again the spectacle: a violent, totalitarian movement explains all its actions with reference to Islamic law, while spokesmen and analysts in the West twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain and respond to those actions as if they had nothing to do with Islam at all. Good luck, fellows.
By Tom Coghlan in the Telegraph (thanks to Sr. Soph):
Taliban fighters hanged a 12-year-old boy from a mulberry tree, claiming he was passing information on Taliban roadside bomb attacks to police and British forces, Afghan police have said.The gruesome murder, which occurred in Sangin, an area held by British forces since driving out the Taliban in April, sparked outrage among politicians, who accused the al-Qaeda-linked militant group of atrocities against villagers. It was the second execution of a child attributed to the Taliban in three months.
"If this is true and the age is right it is an unforgettable crime," said Haji Mohammed Anwar Khan, the head of Helmand provincial council.
"If someone is a child their mind is not considered sufficiently mature to be held responsible under Sharia law. This is just a crime and we condemn it."
Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, also accused the Taliban of hanging a 15-year-old boy above a gas stove and lighting the flame beneath him, burning him alive, but it was unclear if he was referring to the same incident.
"Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said.
[...]
But Ahmad Muslim, a mullah and Taliban commander operating in Helmand, denied his men were behind the hanging.
"The case of the boy is completely untrue. Do you think that we would do such a thing?" he said.
"Under Sharia law he is not mature. He cannot be hanged. It is possible someone has been hanged because of local enmities and it is blamed on the Taliban. Everything is blamed on the Taliban."...
But Ahmad Muslim, a mullah and Taliban commander operating in Helmand, denied his men were behind the hanging.
"The case of the boy is completely untrue. Do you think that we would do such a thing?" he said.
Answer: Yes.
"'Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?' Mr Karzai said."
-- from a posting above
When Karzai says this, why doesn't he think first, why doesn't he think carefully of how to express himself? Of course we believe that "a human being cna be so savage as to brun alive a 15-year-old boy," or a ten-year-old one, or a five-year-old one, or a baby. A million children for example, were murdered by the Nazis, and not all of them were gassed; many were burned alive. See Oradour sur Glane, see Lidice, see Auschwitz, see Treblinka, see Belzec.
To the explanatory defense that is given - that it is rhetoric, not designed to be true but to assert an attitude, the answer is that it doesn't work. It doesn't work with Karzai, or with anyone els who says that such-and-such an event is "beyond belief" or "unheard-of" when intelligent people know that it is neither "beyond belief" nor "unheard-of." Whatever you may think cannot possibly be done, is "beyond-belief" in its evil, has already been done. Done many times in human history. In recent history.
It is possible to deplore something, and to express one's rage, without making a claim that is obviously false, that is, therefore, mere rhetoric.
Of course we believe that anyone, someone, many people, are "so savage" as to do this or that. If you're not in a mood for reading, then see "No Country For Old Men" and the character played by Javier Bardem. Unbelievable, in his motiveless malignity? Or believable?
"Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said." --from article above
Yes. Ever heard of the Holocaust? My God, man, your question is, quite simply, dumb.
Atrocities committed by humans against other humans in this brutal, imperfect world are infinitesimal and incalculable.
BTW, ever heard of Queen "Bloody" Mary in mid-16th century England? From 1553-55 she had many Protestants who would not convert to Catholicism burned at the stake. Read "Bloody Mary's Martyrs," an excellent book, and written by the descendent of one of those burned. It's a shame she ever became Queen, shouldn't have happened.
Again, what a dumb question, and actually begs the question, "Are you acquainted at all with world history and the various and numerous atrocities perpetrated by humans against other humans for 21 centuries and before? I mean, hello!
"Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said.
"The case of the boy is completely untrue. Do you think that we would do such a thing?" said Ahmad Muslim, a mullah and Taliban commander .
Let's see...
12/5/2007 Afghanistan Kabul 12 Killed 14 Injured. A Fedayeen bomber boards a minibus and detonates, killing a dozen Afghans, including four children.
11/18/2007 Iraq Baqubah 6 Killed 7 Injured. A suicide bomber wades into a group of children receiving candy from US soldiers and detonates. At least six are killed.
11/16/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 1 Killed 0 Injured. A 'street boy' is killed when Islamic terrorists attack a group of Ugandan peacekeepers.
11/11/2007 Afghanistan Helmand 3 Killed 0 Injured. A woman and two children are killed when Talibanis use them as human shields.
11/9/2007 Iraq Baqubah 1 Killed 6 Injured. Islamic terrorists kill a child in a bomb attack on a family.
Yup.... Taqqiya
But go look for yourselves at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
"The case of the boy is completely untrue. Do you think that we would do such a thing?" he said.
Frankly, yes I do. You and your brothers have proved you are capable of any atrocity...
I want to know how the heck they got a quote from the Taliban commander. The media is so against us it's very troubling. That they have contacts with him and don't give that contact info to the good guys, it's disgusting.
One only has to read "Charlie Wilsons' War" to learn of the mujahadeens' absolute barbarism and cruelty. Burlap bags were found just outside of Bagram airbase during the Soviet-Afghan war...the bloodied burlap sacks were opened, and inside each had the body of a Russian soldier, skinned alive from the waist-up, and that skin tied into a "bag" over the victims' head. Also, the head Muj...Guddahin hayakal..or something like that... would chop off the arms or legs of a Russian POW and leave him screaming on the road to entice his comrades into another ambush.
From above: That they have contacts with him and don't give that contact info to the good guys, it's disgusting.
Posted by: JesseP_UAC
That's not only disgusting, it should be illegal.
In 33:21 the Koranic "god" commands Moslems to pattern themselves after Mohammed and what he did. Well, in Banu Qurazay, the Holy Prophet chopped the heads off of dozens and dozens of 15 yr old boys. So, by the scriptures, what the Taliban did in Sanin was most holy.
Do I believe they could be so savage as to do such a thing? Heck, I've read their manual on how they do such things.
And that manual is just an annotated and updated (electric drill, blowtorch etc.) version of the original:
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Excuse my French, but who the f*** does Karzai think he's kidding? Does he think we can't read?
"Everything is blamed on the Taliban."...
Except anything good, because they are incapable of goodness, only violence. What goes around comes around.
""Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said."
March, 2002, in the "Holy City of Mecca", 15 schoolgirls burned alive because they couldn't "cover themselves", adequately, to leave the building.
Justify that, Mr. Karzai. Sharia leaves no room for common sense. Your 'illah' forbids you permission to create, but implicitly gives permission to be creative when you destroy!
Any Muslims here, who would like to take a crack at justifying these things?
"Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said.
You can believe it if it's the Taliban. No atrocity is beneath them.
What's appalling about the question is that an Afghan (the head of state, no less) needs to ask it when he should know better as to the answer.
Special_guest:
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Thank you for that passage...I have been looking for the "Campfire on the Chest".
So we're surprised that murderers committed murder? Since killermohammed was a murderer, and they are followers of him, where is the surprise? They murdered the child because that is what is in their satanic nature. He is a murderer, so they are murderers. They think black is white and evil is good. It is obvious that these people are fighting anything actually good in civilization.
Islam should either be outlawed world-wide with capital punishment the penalty for any violation, or all other civilizations should attack it with extreme prejudice until this pure evil is removed from the planet forever.
"Submit to Islam?" NEVER!!!
"Everything is blamed on the Taliban."... --from article above
With good reason. Taliban = Evil
American Tiger-
But Mohammad objected to using fire to kill an enemy, since that was "Allah's punishment" (burning people in hell), and Mo recommended beheading and stoning, instead.
So the Taliban disobeyed both Allah and Mohammad.
And are thus blasphemers and heretics, and all Muslims should rise to destroy them.
"The case of the boy is completely untrue. Do you think that we would do such a thing?" he said."
to which my reply is:
Of course we wouldn't think that.Wat do you take us for? Abunch of Islamophobes and racists?
"Does anyone believe a human being can be so savage as to burn alive a 15-year-old boy?" Mr Karzai said.
When you crave death as others crave life...when you are going to Allah's brothel in the sky...what's there to worry about a little fire? Every time a suicide bomb belt is activated a human being is burned alive, but without the phoney concern from Islamic officials.
this story has been up for several hours!! why are there only 20 comments when there should be thousands! very sad.
"Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, also accused the Taliban of hanging a 15-year-old boy above a gas stove and lighting the flame beneath him, burning him alive, but it was unclear if he was referring to the same incident."
....I know there are some dhimmicrats in the US that sure are pleased, they did not force the lad to wear womens panties on his head...
Ban Muslim Immigration...
A 12 year old knew there was a better life out there and was killed for it. How peaceful of them.
"So consider once again the spectacle: a violent, totalitarian movement explains all its actions with reference to Islamic law, while spokesmen and analysts in the West twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain and respond to those actions as if they had nothing to do with Islam at all. Good luck, fellows".-Robert
The more I contemplate what you are attempting to do (I think the tide is turning) the more impressed I am with your integrity and courage.
It has been my experience that anyone with your focus on such a matter (sort of like Jerry Lewis with muscular-dystrophy) is that the focus is rooted in something personal. My hunch is that some member(s) of your family back in Turkey really got slammed by this kind of madness and you confront it in their memory.
I think as far as truth is concerned you could have a Jerry Lewis style telethon for Fibrahim Hooper and others who are fact-truth retarded on this. Their minds are distorted by the habit of deception.
Sure it was not the Taliban types that did this, they would never do anything like this! Once again we have an example of these "holy warriors" killing the weak and defenseless. How proud they must be of themselves, how stupid they must think us, to do such a thing and then try to deny it. What other group of people in Afghanistan goes around murdering defensless children?