Here is an exchange of emails between Jeffrey Epstein of America's Truth Forum and a General Motors executive:
1. Epstein to GM:
As discussed, we would appreciate the opportunity to secure a GM vehicle to raffle at our Dallas symposium. Once again, we’re not looking for GM to donate a vehicle but to provide one at a discounted rate. Please note that our presence in Dallas was at the request of Federal, State and Local law enforcement agencies. We expect that 40-60% of those in attendance will be law enforcement agents, counter-terrorism experts, Military leaders and veterans – people that drive GM products. Your prompt attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Jeffrey Epstein, President America’s Truth Forum (a 501(c)3 Non-profit organization)
2. GM to Epstein:
The South Central Region has responded and is not interested in supporting this program at this point. Still waiting for word from the specific Divisions here in Detroit.
3. Epstein to GM:
Your South Central Region might want to reconsider its position given that a portion of raffle proceeds will be used for Veteran causes. Plans are in the works to honor a serviceman who was lost this past year in Iraq.
4. GM to Epstein:
This morning we completed polling our Divisional clients and I'm afraid we will be unable to support your event. As you can appreciate, GM gets numerous requests from organizations such as yours for varying levels of support and we cannot work with them all. We appreciate your interest in General Motors and wish you good luck with your program.
5. Epstein to GM:
Due to our tax exempt status, I was referred to your office to secure a vehicle for our raffle. Do your divisional clients and South Central mangers realize that we intended to purchase the vehicle? Was it my request for a minimal discount or our initiative that turned them off?
6. GM to Epstein:
Not sure who recommended you contact us because of your tax-exempt status. We are GM's promotional agency and work with consumer-facing, marketing budgets. The reason we declined this opportunity is that it simply doesn't fit within any of the promotional platforms we support and from a timing perspective we typically need at least a six-month window to evaluate, approve and finalize all deals to the satisfaction of GM Legal, Finance and Risk Management standards. Tax-exempt, not-for-profit solicitations should be directed to the GM Foundation for consideration.Hope this helps clarify.
Some suspect that GM’s apprehension stems from the fact that they sell their vehicles all over the Mideast. Epstein also reports that he faced similar responses in the past when trying to secure support from a cross-section of American Industries:
a) Cantor Fitzgerald, the investment house that lost 66% of its workforce on 9/11, claimed that terrorism wasn't their issue.
b) The President of Zodiac Boats told me that terrorism wasn't a maritime issue.
c) The insurance carriers that covered the 9/11 losses showed no interest.
d) The food and beverage industry (including Busch, Coors, etc.) showed no interest.
e) BP Petroleum stated that terrorism was a non-issue.
Their god is the Dollar, a polytheism because they want to worship as many dollars as they can put on (in) the altar,(bank).
GM won't be getting my business any time soon.
That's BS. My company works with hundreds of dealers (GM included) nationwide and they can order special event vehicles under certain guidelines or discount a early release 2008 model. In addition, they receive other unconditional rebates and incentives from the factory to discount that Unit by a minimum of a couple grand off cost/not sticker.
They should contact one of the big boy's locally like Graff, Classic, Frank Parra, James Wood or Friendly.
They do it all the time.
dhiGMmi
More dhimmi and pro-islamists companies to add to the growing personal boycott list ...
One would think that if car sales were so bad, as the MSM would have us believe, that GM would be happy to unload one for a discounted price. I dunno, whoever is answering the emails must be an ostrich.
What GM (and many other western corporations and institutions like it) fails to comprehend is that the Islamization of America will result in the total destruction of their corporation, their way of life and doing business, the market economies they capitalize on, and their standard of living. None of the things I have mentioned means a damn thing to Islam and its institutions. But just don't try to tell that to GM CEO's. They're not listening.
GM will continue to act against the workings of counter-terrorism in the mistaken belief that Islam can be changed and will change because, again, they cling to a mistaken notion that Muslims aspire to the "good life." Corporate conventional wisdom continues to run on delusions such as this (another indication as to why these folk continue to mass-produce gas-guzzlers like SUVs at the worst possible time in history for them to be doing so--and they have the collapsing sales revenue to prove it).
It would seem that Ivory Towers are no protection against the Darwinian concept of the 'survival of the fittest'. If only GM and other CEOS of all corporations like it would come down from those ivory towers before the Muslims tear them down with them inside...
Thanks. GM just became a dirty word for me. I will make sure that as many people that I know also that Coors and Busch won't be in my brother's beer bellies anymore. And as for BP gas - I don't use that gas anyway. But, I will spread the word.
Car dealerships routinely advertise their vehicles at amateur golf tournaments all over the country. The local dealership gets free advertisement as they display their vehicles that can be up for grabs on a given 3 par hole in one winner.
The cost of the vehicles is covered by an insurance that handles these kind of events and is payed through part of the tournament entry fees-- It is almost the same difference with the exception being that someone will win a car in a lottery-- the point being though--local dealerships do this kind of thing everyday.
Try other car manufacturers,--Now wouldn't that be a kicker if a foreign car manufacturer came through for this event.
I'm sure America's Truth Forum is too controversial for GM. I'm also sure that the ignorami at General Morons don't have the foggiest clue about Islam, or related matters. But then, sadly, most people are in the same boat, or truck.
Does any one recall that variety show legend, Dianna Shore, when she used to belt out the live commercial tune in the 50's and 60's during television's golden age:
“See the USA in your Chevrolet
America is asking you to call
Drive your Chevrolet through the USA
America's the greatest land of all”
How far has this nation stooped since the optimism & patriotism of that innocent era!
G.M.'s marketing & promo department has obviously now matched itself with its inferior products. I'm sick with the thought of these G.M. promo weasels!
That pretty much eliminates the US automakers for anti-Islam shoppers. GM with the above, Ford, which supposedly had an anti-semitic heritage. Has Chrysler been sold back already by Daimler?
Fox News had a feature just yesterday about American businesses doing business with terrorist-sponsoring states such as Iran and Syria, usually through a third-party company or a regional subsidiary.
Companies mentioned included Coca-Cola, Pepsico, and GE.
I guess that while Muslim terrorists may love death (while Americans love Pepsi) that they are not loathe to partake if we are fool enough to sell to them.
There was a lot of criticism of American companies who had done business with Nazi Germany before WWII. There should be the same approbium for these companies today.
GM = Go Muslims!
GM = Gas Monster
(someone mentioned gas above)
You will also note, GM was not interested and evasive from the replies. First check with Souther District, NO. Next checking with corporate, NO. Then you should have contacted us six months ago and with another department, NO.
By these evading and misdirected answers it is clear that they did not want to support the non-profit and it is also clear they would not say why. As Robert has pointed out, it is not too much of a stretch to think it is what the organization stands for. I wish that Epstein would have asked him that question. He probably would not have answered it directly.
Ecc 4:8
This is the case of a man who is all alone, without a child or a brother, yet who works hard to gain as much wealth as he can. But then he asks himself, "Who am I working for? Why am I giving up so much pleasure now?" It is all so meaningless and depressing.
رعايه الطفولة المبكره 4:8
هذا هو الحال بالنسبة للرجل جميع حدها ، دون ولد أو أخا ، ولكن الذي يعمل بجد لكسب اكبر قدر الثروة كما انه يمكن. ولكن ثم يسأل نفسه ، "هل انا الذي تعمل من اجل؟ ماذا انا التخلي عن الكثير من المتعه الان؟" ومن كل ذلك لا معنى له والاكتئ
Champ:
“GM = Go Muslims!”
Eeeeeewwwwwwhh! That has too many bad associations for me with “M Go Blue” and U of M using state taxes to construct foot washing troughs for it’s Muslim faithful!
descendantofacrusader - sorry. I was trying to show where GM's loyalty apparently lies. Trust me, I meant it in a negative way :-)
Maybe then Epstein should contact U.S. manufacturor Catapillier (sp?). Catapillier has not shown too much concern in the Middle East and continues to support Israel, even when they were being sued.
Get a BIG yellow catapillier and raffle it off. What 'mans-man' wouldn't want a big cat in his back yard to tear up his wifes flower garden.
ARRRRRRRRR!!
And if G.M. is concerned about their Middle East presence, aren't they the manufacturor of Hummers? Not to mention a few other military vehicles.
Go with the yellow cat.
Man, Typekey is slow today.
How many executives in GM are moslem? How many workers? These people are concerned with productivity. Just wait until the "Caliphate", then productivity will go to zero....are cars halal? MohamMad didn't drive one....
So it's not terrorism say Cantor Fitzgerald, the various insurance carriers, etc. So what was it then? I know - America's heavy handed role in the world, continued support of Israel, blah, blah blah
If Sharia Law were to come to the USA, it'll be too late for GM because think of how many less cars they'll be able to sell because women will no longer be allowed to drive/own them...
GM Corporate HQ is in Detroit. Their proximity to Dearborn probably gives GM pause in consideration of their main entrance becoming the locale of the next Hezbollah/Islamist rantfest.
"Just wait until the "Caliphate", then productivity will go to zero....are cars halal? MohamMad didn't drive one....
Posted by: interestinconundrum "
...can you name any Muslim car manufacturers with the knowhow to build quality cars?.......or trucks?.....or motorcycles?.....or bicycles.....
Robert,
While it is good to know who refuses to assist the Symposium organizers, it would also be nice to know which, if any, notable corporations are in fact supporting the effort. Can you tell us? Or, perhaps we should be reading this as if there are no corporate contributors?
"2. GM to Epstein:
The South Central Region has responded and is not interested in supporting this program at this point....."
...note to GM....please advise which freedom and/or Anti Islamic violence venues that you do support....Please advise which pro Islamic venues you support.....
I think you got the responses mixed up:
Should be:
The investment house showed no interest
Zodiac boats said the idea wouldn't float with them
The insurance carriers regarded it as too risky
The food and beverage industry found the suggestion unpalatable
The petroleum industry didn't want to throw fuel on the fire (or was it, they didn't find a groundswell of support?)
From what I understand, don't bother taking requests to Ford if your last name is Epstein -- given the antisemetic views of the founder. As for GM, I don't know.
In any case, a great deal is being read from a rather bland exchange here. The GM rep apparently feels that the request went to the wrong office. Has the office he suggested been tried? Seems a bit early to raise a fuss, unless you already know the outcome.
Why should GM execs have a clue about Islam if our PRESIDENT, MILITARY leaders and INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES don't????
Terrorism doesn't exist. The dollar does.
"Terrorism doesn't exist. The dollar does.
Posted by: Sounder "
...go to a Muslim country as an infidel and see which one strikes you first....
@Archimedes2
That was the reason for my post earlier. Either the executive was being a bureaucrat or he is a Muslim or he does not personally like Epstein or he does not like what America's Truth Forum is about.
I am being sarcastic and would pick either the first or last reason. He should have told Epstein to contact the other department at the first. Because he did not he falls in one of the two camps. I would think it the later, because it is PC.
@Archimedes2
That was the reason for my post earlier. Either the executive was being a bureaucrat or he is a Muslim or he does not personally like Epstein or he does not like what America's Truth Forum is about.
I am being sarcastic and would pick either the first or last reason. He should have told Epstein to contact the other department at the first. Because he did not he falls in one of the two camps. I would think it the later, because it is PC.
"Why should GM execs have a clue about Islam if our PRESIDENT, MILITARY leaders and INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES don't????
Posted by: poetcomic1 "
....a lot of GM execs are former civil service employees....old habits die hard....
@Archimedes2
That was the reason for my post earlier. Either the executive was being a bureaucrat or he is a Muslim or he does not personally like Epstein or he does not like what America's Truth Forum is about.
I am being sarcastic and would pick either the first or last reason. He should have told Epstein to contact the other department at the first. Because he did not he falls in one of the two camps. I would think it the later, because it is PC.
You're seriously this up in arms about being denied a discount? I guess you can see a jihadi behind every blade of grass if you squint just right...
Why would those morons at the alcohol companies care what muslims think?
MUSLIMS DONT DRINK BOOZE SO THEY ARE KOWTOWING TO A DEAD GROUP!!!
They have nothing to lose and they still surrender.
Hello Not Telling,
I guess if you lie often enough, maybe we can all start to believe that islam is a religion of peace.
You certainly are not looking at grass, but apparently smoking too much of it.
Here's a shocker about the CAW Union for GM .
There is a local "Refugee Centre" in Toronto and it has become common knowledge by the residence that the CAW helped in Donations of money -and a GM Vehicle- to aid in housing expansion projects to create Rental-Units for the Refugees which in turn use the Social Assistance cheque to pay the tax dollars back to the Refugee Centre which I believe is a money laundering scam for Charity-Status to prove they don't get Direct funding from any level of Governments and just rely on Private Donations.
So basically , GM and the CAW keep demanding Canadian taxpayers prop-up the salaries for people making cars that Canadians can't afford to buy , but then this same Union enables Bogus refugees from Mexico to pour into Toronto and Ontario to work Illegally and drive down the Mean-wages for Canadians and in turn under-cut many Unionized shops linked to the Auto Parts supply Industry that helps Toyota and Honda Plants in Canada kill those CAW jobs.
But I don't know why GM is so worried about the Jihad market because I read a Survey from a American-based Arab/Muslim website and that census indicate that around 90% of the responses showed how they don't buy US cars from the big-3 , but they will buy a Benz,BMW,Honda,Toyota and other foreign Models built in US plants.
Oddly though , many stats were counter to the claim by CAIR for the overt Racism and high Unemployment among Muslims and Arabs .
My gut feeling is that i can trust the Arabs and Muslims in the survey to tell the truth about life in the USA long befor I accept any Racism claims by CAIR .
Here's a shocker about the CAW Union for GM .
There is a local "Refugee Centre" in Toronto and it has become common knowledge by the residence that the CAW helped in Donations of money -and a GM Vehicle- to aid in housing expansion projects to create Rental-Units for the Refugees which in turn use the Social Assistance cheque to pay the tax dollars back to the Refugee Centre which I believe is a money laundering scam for Charity-Status to prove they don't get Direct funding from any level of Governments and just rely on Private Donations.
So basically , GM and the CAW keep demanding Canadian taxpayers prop-up the salaries for people making cars that Canadians can't afford to buy , but then this same Union enables Bogus refugees from Mexico to pour into Toronto and Ontario to work Illegally and drive down the Mean-wages for Canadians and in turn under-cut many Unionized shops linked to the Auto Parts supply Industry that helps Toyota and Honda Plants in Canada kill those CAW jobs.
But I don't know why GM is so worried about the Jihad market because I read a Survey from a American-based Arab/Muslim website and that census indicate that around 90% of the responses showed how they don't buy US cars from the big-3 , but they will buy a Benz,BMW,Honda,Toyota and other foreign Models built in US plants.
Oddly though , many stats were counter to the claim by CAIR for the overt Racism and high Unemployment among Muslims and Arabs .
My gut feeling is that i can trust the Arabs and Muslims in the survey to tell the truth about life in the USA long befor I accept any Racism claims by CAIR .
Negative PR for lack of assistance (as opposed to active obstruction) is a form of shake-down.
Neither GM nor any other private party is obliged to give something away or to assent to a transaction with another private individual that they don't find to their liking, for whatever reason. To force the issue or to assume and then publicly insinuate nefarious motives is base.
Offering somebody the opportunity to provide a gift is noble--demanding a handout is debasing.
Private media companies which claim to serve the public interest yet refuse to run advertisement which might offend Jihadis are in the wrong as they are obstructionist. But GM isn't being obstructionist in this case. They just aren't helping.
Further, if GM were doing something like building Madrasas in Peoria, then they should be held up to scorn, at minimum, as they would be actively supporting the bad guys. But they're not, or at least this isn't about that.
It is illustrative to see what appears to be hesitancy from many quarters to help the cause, but bludgeoning them as a result runs counter to the idea of gifting. Better I think to highlight positively the companies which actively provide support.
Must have been a meteorite that hit the Cantor-Fitzgerald office on 9/11.
/Does the U.S.Coast Guard buy inflatables from Zodiak? If yes, why? NYPD? FDNY? You or me?
/Busch/Coors are crappy-tasting beers anyway. Go Sam Adams or Yuengling! Bass, Heineken,Stella Artois, Carlsberg - all tasty alternatives to that gnats pee.
/BP? - get ripped of by some other oil company.
You certainly are not looking at grass, but apparently smoking too much of it.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader
LOL!!!!
"By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects."
-Federalist 10, attributed to Madison
Hyman Roth has some very clear eyes.
"Give us a discount for FREEDOM or I'll whine to the Internet!" is a pretty sketchy sales pitch. I imagine GM gets a metric buttload of donation and discount requests every minute of the day. I imagine they're very choosy as to whom they help, doubly so when the groups in question have suspiciously political names.
Hungarian Crusader:
ICE BURN
Man! A "religion of peace" crack AND a drug joke. I'm going to have to work hard to keep up around here! Have a super evening.
I strongly suggest the Truth Forum go directly to local dealers and skip the bureaucracy. GM corporate has more managers, VPs, presidents, etc. than they know what to do with.
Local dealers are far more likely to be amenable to this sort of thing, and a couple may very well let you drive it off the lot immediately. The South Central division is notoriously tough to please, but...usually it's because they're not fond of Yankee ways, if you get my drift. ;)
Honestly, again, a direct appeal may yield more fruit.
BP buys VGO and other components for making fuel from Syria while they kill U.S. and British airmen, soldiers, sailor and Marines. Boycott BP and its tow U.S. subsidiaries Amoco and Arco.