Mainstream media largely silent about possible honor killings in Dallas

I would expect at least Greta Van Sustern to cover this. She should be back from her vacation I would think.

Fox News hasn't been hammering this story. FNC lately seems to prefer bimbo-of-the-week stories.

Is any organization tracking the number of "honor killings" in the United States?

We are too weak to confront Islam. Like every other culture to encounter Islam, we will eventually be conquered. Why make trouble over a mere honor killing. It is now part of our culture. Welcome to Islam, ladies. Brought to by the weak men of America.

See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil.

"But these beautiful and now murdered sisters feared for their lives. They told people that their father was threatening them. "

....their father was Muslim....they knew and feared Islam.....

Honor” Killings in Texas?
by Dymphna
.............There is lots of outrage to go around on this, but I can’t go there anymore. It’s not Islamic, it’s tribal. Not too long ago, this was going on in European countries, too - especially Catholic ones. A girl’s “honor” came before everything else.........In other words, this is not Islam…or it is not just Muslims who murder family members. This is not “instant jihad”; it’s a family tragedy.

I found one reference (scroll down) on the web to a song I used to hear on the radio as I got ready for school. The lyrics didn’t mean anything to me then; just a bouncing country tune while I ate breakfast:

Slap her down again, Pa… Slap her down again…
Make her tell us more, Pa… Tell us where she’s been…
Oh how they slapped, slapped, slapped my sister Betsy…
Slapped her on the chin…
Make her tell us more, Pa… Tell us where she’s been.

And that was America in the early ‘50’s.

We don’t have too much room to judge on this one.( I wonder if this will stay?) http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/01/honor-killings-in-texas.html#readfurther

To borrow a political catch phrase - "Silence = Death".

How many honor killings have occurred in this country and NOT been reported as honor killings?

Shouldn't something like this be an "offense against Islam"?

Shouldn't this type of action be classified as a "hate crime"?

Are crimes against Muslim women to be ignored and swept under the rug?

Are the rights of American women somehow greater than those of immigrant Muslim teenagers?

Where is Child Services? If these girls had been removed from the home and protected from their abuser, they would be alive today.

Silence = Death

....MSM.....means "Make Sha'ria Mandatory"...that is why they refuse to report incidents involving Islam or Muslims....

storage manager:

We don’t have too much room to judge on this one.( I wonder if this will stay?)

You mean your comment? Oh yes, it will stay. It will stay as a demonstration of how easy it is for Americans to succumb to a monstrous moral equivalence that would have us imagine that it was culturally acceptable for Americans to kill their children in the 1950s.

This is precisely the kind of thing that saps our resistance to defend ourselves against the jihad. After all, our culture is no better, right?

Oh yes. It will stay. It will stay.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=505796&in_page_id=1879

Along with honor killings, female genital mutilation is another atrocity directed against Islamic females. The above is an article from London's "Daily Mail" on the epidemic of FGM now in Britain. African females of any religion are also forced to undergo this horrific procedure. Alice Walker's book "Warrior Marks" is an excellent study of this uber-misogynist atrocity.

I just wanted to mention the link in the post by Storagemanager. The moral relativism of that post at GOV is sickening. That song was parody, joke, stupid, whatever you want to call it and not a part of American society in any way, shape, or form!

This song was a hit for both Esmereldy & Her Novelty Band, and Arthur Godfrey & The Too Fat Trio, both in 1948. It went something like this:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Country-Music-2273/Country-Music-Comedy.htm

Darcy,

Read Dhimmi Watch. This FGM story is already up over there.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Storagemanager ...

Honestly, you're kidding, right? As must be evident from last night's threads on this, I certainly do not restrict "honor killing" to the Middle East or Islam, but what is going on with Islam and this problem is UNLIKE ANYTHING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, and there is no group of women, as Robert points out, that are killed because they are rape victims, even child rape victims.

This kind of statement from Dalrympa really **IS** moral equivalency at its worst, and it's also American and Western moral effetism. It says that we should be PERFECT before we demand that others be merely adequate.

In the Gender Gap statistics just published, ALL the worst countries are Islamic.

Freedom House's statistics on women rights, human rights, religious rights ALL place the Islamic countries at the bottom, with the only non-Islamic human rights egregious violator being North Korea.

I do not buy the proposition that because women in this country have a problem with violence toward them that we stay silent about what horrific violence being preached from the pulpit in mosques even in this country vindicates a man for killing his teenage daughter because he "shames" him. Women everywhere have a problem with violence directed toward them.

But NOWHERE is it as bad as it is for Muslim women. FGM, spread by Islam, demanded by shafi'i mahdhab. Honor killing. Declaring rape victims adulteresses. Wife-beating sanctioned by the Qur'an. Denied the vote, education, job opportunities, suffrage, driving, choice of mate, right to divorce — and accused of terrorism for signing a petition to demand equal rights.

Islam *spreads* and *preaches* desert tribalist mores and practices against women, and therefore, whether it BEGAN there or not, it is Islam's responsibility and every one of its heads of schools of fiqh are responsible for it.

And when the head of the mosque that Aqsa Parvez gets up at a press conference and basically blames her for her own death — and then stuffs her body in the ground hours before her scheduled funeral in the hope of burying the outrage along with her crushed cervical spine — and Canadian mosque websites suddenly scrub the screed about how OBLIGATORY THE HEADSCARF IS for Canadian Muslim girls, then there's no escaping it: it's Islam.

And I will stop saying it's Islam when they stop preaching it in the mosque.

But for the moment they ARE preaching control of and violence towards women, male hegemony, and exoneration of extra-judicial violence as a man's right over a "disobedient" woman.

Thank you Sir...you give me hope.

RS: Were they afraid of being accused of “Islamophobia” if they reported the truth? Did they not want to use the word “Arab” or “Muslim” lest they be attacked as “racists”?

They are obviously afraid of something. This with-holding of information due to fear, seems to be epidemic in the MSM, and elsewhere. Another indication that terrorism works. No one wants to confront the lunatic. The very idea generates fear in some people. This is why you have brave people in the military, police, correctional officers and
trained psychiatric technicians, they will confront the lunatic. Brave people like Bhutto and Spencer, and others too numerous to list, refuse to yield to fear, and confront the lunatic on a daily bases.
Yielding to fear generates more fear and reduces the possibility of intelligent action.
Unfortunately when anyone takes a fear reducing/eliminating message outside their group, they become a target of those champions of the existing order, consisting of fear, as in the case
of Islam. Those who prefer fear to truth, death to life, slavery to freedom, are in a constant state of fear. The strict father Allah
gives comfort to the fearful, as long as they remain fearful. Anyone who attempts to disrupt that with the truth, will become a target.
The MSM is fearful of becoming a target, and gutlessly yields to that fear.
Intelligence is the best weapon against fear.
Truth fused with intelligence creates light,
illumination, and fearlessness, driving the dark force of fear out.
The darkness flees before the light, but not before putting up a fight. Only the fearless like RS, JW/staff, and numerous others on the front lines of truth, can confront the lunacy of the 'People of Fear', the MSM can't and won't do it, because they 'are' the children of fear. In the end, truth will prevail, but not before a big battle with the forces of darkness, that we are already in...

Was not my comment...I was showing the sickness at GOV.

The situation of sanitized press reports is even worse than suggested here. If you scrutinize this story out of the Dallas Morning News, the story never mentions the "M" word.

The article made the false, misleading and sickening comment that the case was being handled by authorities as one of "domestic abuse." This is the world we live in. The press will report honor murders as "domestic abuse," as if "honor killing" is a subculture of our own.

But then there is more. The story about the murdered sisters sits next to a story about 100s of Christians fire bombed in their church by Muslims in Kenya who then used machetes to hack to death any Christians escaping muslim mayhem. This article never mentions the perpetrators are muslim. The violence in Kenya is attributed solely to "election violence," as if massive rioting, murder, and burning accompanies all democratic elections.

In both stories the "m" word is never mentioned. Write the Dallas Morning News that it gets an F in journalism even though the journalist probably graduated Columbia cum laude.

Darcy,

Read Dhimmi Watch. This FGM story is already up over there.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at January 3, 2008 8:29 AM

Oops, it's true. I did not check DW first.

Storemanager ...

Glad to hear it was for demonstration purposes only. Whew! You had me worried there for a minute.

GOV clims to be an anti-jihad site...then posts that tripe.

100s of Christians fire bombed in their church by Muslims in Kenya who then used machetes to hack to death any Christians escaping muslim mayhem. This article never mentions the perpetrators are muslim. The violence in Kenya is attributed solely to "election violence," as if massive rioting, murder, and burning accompanies all democratic elections. --posted by David England

David, is this FACT that the murderers of the Christians in their church are Mohammedans?

I really, really want to know if this is true. Is this Christian massacre in Kenya a "Slay the Infidel" thing?

darcy...70 per cent of Kenya is Islamic

Storage Manager:

Your lousy tests are not welcome here. I have made my positions clear.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Robert...I am sorry...didn't mean it that way.

Uh huh.

The post made angry...I guess I posted it wrong...again...I love jihad watch and link all the time...If I offened you I am sorry.

Storemanager ...

You've got your facts on Kenya ALL wrong:

KENYA Religions from CIA World Fact Book:

QUOTING

Protestant 45%,
Roman Catholic 33%,
Muslim 10%,
Indigenous beliefs 10%,
Other 2%

Note: a large majority of Kenyans are Christian, but estimates for the percentage of the population that adheres to Islam or indigenous beliefs vary widely.

END QUOTE

That said, the minority Muslim community in Kenya is doing cross-border jihadist work with those in Somalia, is openly advocating the imposition of shari'a law on the MAJORITY CHRISTIAN population, and is violent now and getting worse.

Kenya is NOT, nor ever has been, a majority Muslim nation, but when people are willing to bomb and behead you into submission, their relatively few numbers are still a threat.

Morgaan Sinclair...your right..I was thinking of the Sudan.

Fox just had it on. They actually used the proper terminology and everything.

:)

The violence in Kenya AT THIS POINT appears to be inter-tribal violence between the Kikuyu tribe (the larger) and the Luo tribe, both overwhelmingly Christian. The Luos apparently attacked Kikuyus, who ran into the Assemblies of God church for sanctuary. The church was then burned.

There are about 40 tribes in Kenya, and one of the problems there now is that the younger Kenyans are becoming more and more ethnically oriented. This is in addition to the problem of the increasingly radicalized and violent Muslim minority and the radicalization and militarization of Muslim minority agents along the border with Somalia.

OK, so this Kenyan slaughter is not a Muslim/Christian thing. It's not religious - it's tribal.

DFW is full of political correctness...look what happened at the holy land foundation trial; one nut-case wrecked the jury verdict.

This case is horrible. I knew the instant I heard the name of the perp that is was likely a muslim honor daughter-slaughter.

At this moment,the perp is still on the loose and police seem not to know where to look. They should try a mosque........

"a muslim honor daughter-slaughter." --posted by n.a. palm

That's a good way of putting it. That daughter and slaughter happen to rhyme gives the phrase a lot of power. I'm going to use "muslim honor daughter-slaughter" from now on. It is right on - you know the Mohammedans will hate it.

Waiting for some legislative wave to end this savagery won't do a damn thing for those innocents slain between this moment and then.

A call to arms: safe, protecting arms …

Using your super-powers for good and not evil, go on a mission to protect sweet Muslim girls who just want to grow up as free women, unafraid of being brutally murdered by those who are supposed to love them most and protect them. Yea; you can set up a safe-house in your basement for them, post notices of your service on craigslist or on the bulletin board at the local halal market. That would take some balls, eh?

You want to really make a difference? Get all sorts of photo and document evidence on honor killings and the treatment of Muslim women by Muslim men and have a car wash. When drivers pull in expecting to get schmoozed for a few bucks so a few Baptist kids can go to summer camp and play in the lake, collect donations of food and money to help establish a safe place these terrorized young ladies can run to when their male kin feel froggy about asserting their twisted view of honor.

Or try a bake sale or a walk-a-thon. Regularly. On the calendar monthly or yearly. Every city and town in the US should have brave women and men on such a mission ... until the war's over.

Or you can do nothing.

Robert is the best in the business at helping us see through the smoke. He does his part, we need to do ours.

a couple of comments:
1) on the Kenya church killings, I just checked the "Islam: the ROP" site, and it does not list this as a Moslem terrorist attack.
2) in regard to the media and their description of the Dallas killings as "domestic violence"; would they say the same if it were a matter of an Aryan Nation-type father killing his daughter because she was dating a black man? I think not. Rather there would be MSM editorials and front-page articles denouncing this violence and demanding stronger laws, more power for state child-welfare agencies, etc. Aryanism and its prophet are universally denounced, and rightfully so, but Islam and its prophet are just a "cultural thing".

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair

The violence in Kenya AT THIS POINT appears to be inter-tribal violence between the Kikuyu tribe (the larger) and the Luo tribe, both overwhelmingly Christian.

I think you havent done your home work

Posted by: darcy

OK, so this Kenyan slaughter is not a Muslim/Christian thing. It's not religious - it's tribal.

It is very much a religious thing, and I am amazed JW has not made a posting yet about this slaughter

"Mungiki is a politically motivated wing of a religious organisation," says Ken Ouko, a lecturer of sociology at the University of Nairobi.
"The religious bit is just a camouflage. It's more like an army unit. During the old system, they seemed to be complimentary to the system. In the new government, they seem to be antagonistic."
Inspired by the bloody Mau Mau rebellion of the 1950s against the British colonial rule, thousands of young Kenyans - mostly drawn from Kenya's largest tribe, the Kikuyu - flocked to the sect whose doctrines are based on traditional practices. ...........

.........Seven people have been arrested in connection with beheadings that are believed to be the work of a shadowy religious sect inspired by the Mau Mau rebellion against colonial rule, police said Wednesday. The six beheadings over the weekend came after weeks of simmering violence blamed on the outlawed Mungiki sect, which has been accused of extorting money from minibus drivers who provide the main form of public transport in Kenya.
The violence also has raised fears that Mungiki members are out to disrupt the general elections in December, when President Mwai Kibaki will seek a second term. Clashes have broken out every election year since 1992........

..........Mungiki Leaders Convert to Islam
The Nation (Nairobi), 3 September 2000
Nairobi -

The chairman of the Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya, Sheikh Ali Shee, said yesterday those converted included national co-ordinator Ibrahim Ndura Waruinge and founder-member Mohammed Njenga.
Others were provincial co-ordinators Hassan Waithaka Wagacha (Central), Mohamed Kamau Mwathi (Nairobi), Hussein Kimani Ruo (Rift Valley) and Khadija Wangari (women's leader).
Addressing a press conference at Mombasa's Sakina Mosque, Sheikh Shee said his council had now accepted them as Muslims. There were chants of "Taqbir, Allah Akbar" when the announcement was made.
The Mungiki leaders, who wore Kanzu and white caps, thanked Muslims for accepting them. They said the harassment of Mungiki members would now be seen as an insult to Muslims.
They appealed for financial and moral support to spread the religion and create a "nation guided by the Sharia".

More, much more here

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/06/secrect-sect.html

"Is any organization tracking the number of "honor killings" in the United States?"

Posted by: Always On Watch

I was wondering the same thing. Seems obvious that we can't rely on the MSM for information, accurate or otherwise, on the topic.

@Always On Watch,

I did a casual search and found this:

http://www.stophonourkillings.com/

Good find, Abscedere. I posted it at my blog and will keep track of the numbers.

If we're stalking strictly Muslim HK, I think we're unofficially up to four as of yesterday with at least one apparent attempt in PA a couple weeks ago.

Now, if our media weren't too intimidated or deluded, would be the perfect time for a widespread simultaneous airing - and I mean widespread, i.e. by every public and private Infidel broadcaster in North America - of Theo van Gogh's film "Submission".

Robert,

May I ask, if you haven't done so elsewhere, that you provide a link or some of your knowledge, to demonstrate an unequivocal, straight line link between the murders committed by the fathers of Aqsa Parvez and these two girls and Islam.

Absent other info, I have no doubt that these three murders are 'honor' killings, and that they were committed by Muslim men in compliance with their understanding of Islam, but, I'm personally not aware of passages from Qur'an or hadith, or of any rulings and opinions from the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence which actually mandate or allow such murders.

Could it be that some journalists, politicians, and police personnel--likely VERY ignorant about Islam, but with an inkling of suspicion--do not publicly link these murders with Islam simply because of their ignorance, and the timidity such ignorance fosters?

IF the Dallas Dad is caught and goes to trial, will the prosecution not refer to Islamic teachings as the real cause of these murders simply because they aren't knowledgeable enough about Islam and would therefore be afraid of jeopardizing the case with a misstatement?

What if the prosecution has irrefutable proof--if that's possible to do--that Islam IS the reason for their deaths?

..."What if the prosecution has irrefutable proof--if that's possible to do--that Islam IS the reason for their deaths?

Posted by: PRCS "

....the Muslim powers to be would jump up and deny everything, exclaiming evidence is "taken out of context!"......

PRCS,

The DA would never bring up the issue of religion as the reason for the murders. No need to. Murder is murder. All the DA has to show is that it was premeditated and WHAMO, one way trip to a gurney in Huntsville. For all those who may not know, Huntsville is the town where the prison used to carry out death sentences is located.

Let me take a risk here, and suggest that we look at this Kenyan nastiness as another example of murderous tribal behavior in Africa and not as a religious flare-up.
This stuff is a trait of that continent, and if you don't know that you haven't been paying attention. I have very little hope for them.