We have heard this before. And it may just be another attempt to claim credit for something that jihadists actually have nothing to do with, the way Al-Qaeda claimed credit for the East Coast blackout a few years ago, in order to "strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah" (Qur'an 8:60). Or it may not be.
Also, don't miss this from Abu Musab Al-Suri: "Jihad is an art just like poetry, music, and the fine arts. There are people that draw and there are others that are jihadists. They both act upon inspiration.”
From the World Tribune (thanks to Morgaan Sinclair):
U.S. officials monitoring terrorist web sites have discovered a call for using forest fires as weapons against “crusader” nations, in what may explain some recent wildfires in places like southern California and Greece.A terrorist website was discovered recently that carried a posting that called for “Forest Jihad.” The posting was listed on the Internet on Nov. 26 and reported in U.S. intelligence channels last week.
The statement, in Arabic, said that “summer has begun so do not forget the Forest Jihad.”
The writer called on all Muslims in the United States, Europe, Russia and Australia to “start forest fires.”
The posting quoted imprisoned Al Qaida terrorist Abu Musab Al-Suri, as saying “Jihad is an art just like poetry, music, and the fine arts. There are people that draw and there are others that are jihadists. They both act upon inspiration.”
Al-Suri is a senior Al Qaida leader captured in Pakistan in 2005 who is believed to be in U.S. custody.
“The idea of forest fires is attributed to him, may God set him free, as is in this short clip,” the writer stated.
The posting said that setting forest fires were legal under extremist Islamic law as part of a “eye for an eye” and that can produce “amazing results.”
Wildfires in California burned more than 500,000 acres beginning in October and authorities said arson was to blame for some of the fires. In August, wildfires broke out in Greece that authorities say were deliberately set.
The writer stated that it was permissible to burn trees in carrying out jihad.
“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.
The writer stated that “targeted forests” are in the nations that “are at war with Muslims,” including the United States, Europe, Russia, and Australia.
Other nations, including Brazil are “off limits” because Brazil has not joined the “armies of the crusade.”
On damage caused by wildfires, the report said that the fires typically take months to put out which means that “this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time.”...
Islam produces those who love to spread good will & forest fires wherever they go - feel the warmth of their love.
I hardly think that jihadists know or care enough about forestry, meteorology, or forest ecology to really do any significant, lasting harm--no insight into WHY forests burn, how they are adapted to fire or not, or insight into the multitude of factors that might make forests vulnerable.
I don't want to belittle the problem--that these animals care so little about creation or their fellow men, and yet think THEY "are the best of people"--PUTRID!
Destroyers.
Two decades ago Israeli graduate students in America told me -- I had been unaware of it -- about the repeated arson attacks by Arabs on the reforestation projects in Israel.
And along with the 2004 article to which Robert gives a link above, a poster here put up a relevant article in October 2007:
Terrorists in the Woods
"Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, much of the world's focus has been on the issue of terrorism. The tragic deaths of thousands of Americans in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., coupled with hundreds of deaths in Spain and Bali at the hands of terrorists, has led to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the creation of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the expenditure of billions of dollars (that's billions with a capital “B”) to improve security and reduce the risks from terrorists and their weapons of mass destruction.
The massive increases in the federal budget for protection from terrorism mostly have been sent to police and structural fire departments. But what about the threat of terrorist-caused wildland fires in our forests, community watersheds and wildland-urban interface? Who's worried about that threat, what are they doing about it, and how much is being spent to fund the efforts to prevent it?
The history of fire as a tool of warfare is well-documented: Native Americans used fire against their enemies, both other tribes and the expanding Europeans; the Aboriginal people of Australia used fire to discourage the incursion of the British settlers onto their island. In World War II, the Japanese launched “fire balloons” against the western United States. While largely unsuccessful, they started a few fires and killed six people in Oregon. The Palestinians in the latter half of the 20th century used fire to try to destroy Israel's carefully planted pine plantations.
Now, as more and more folks are moving into the wildland-urban interface, the danger of fire as a weapon is even greater. Even under the best of circumstances — when a single ignition occurs under critical fire conditions — hundreds and thousands of citizens are threatened with entrapment, injury or death from rapidly spreading fires. Imagine if a small band of determined terrorists, with only some basic fire weather knowledge and fire behavior training, decided to set multiple ignitions in some of our most vulnerable areas, like heavily populated valley bottoms with limited egress/access and a heavy, dry fuel loading at the peak of the burning period?
There are many such areas around the world: in the foothills of Andalusia in Spain; outside of Sydney and Melbourne, Australia; and in numerous areas of the United States from Florida to the Pine Barrens of New York to the foothills surrounding Los Angeles. Even my own hometown of Missoula, Mont., has areas that fit all the above criteria, and is surely at risk under the wrong combination of weather conditions and a committed terrorist with fire on the brain. And any of us who have traveled to areas like Red Bird, Ky., in the fall when the “woods-burners” are out in force have an appreciation of “domestic terrorism” at work.
The real question that lingers for fire managers at risk from terrorists is what are you planning to do to prevent terrorist-ignited wildfires intended to destroy resources, kill innocent civilians and disrupt normal life? Are you prepared to deal with multiple terrorist-ignited wildfires under the worst possible conditions?
Legislators in the countries that are being targeted by terrorists: What are you going to do to ensure that the wildland fire agencies in your areas are trained, equipped and financed to address these threats?
The clock is ticking, and it's probably a matter of when rather than if such events will occur. Where do we go from here?
http://wildfiremag.com/command/terrorists_woods/
[Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 24, 2007 12:25 PM]
and when they catch one of these jihadists forest arsonists...........will the main stream media tells Americans that it was a muslim???
any bettors out there???
My younger brother is in the Bush Fire Brigade of his district (these volunteer bodies exist all over Australia).
I will be sending him a copy of this article. I urge all other Australian readers and posters to do likewise - send a copy to the headquarters of your local Bush Fire Brigade.
Tell them that in the Jihad activities of the past (both the terror raids and the full-scale formal invasions) the forests, crops and pastures of non-Muslim societies being targeted, were deliberately fired - I think Bostom's Legacy of Jihad includes instances of this practice, and also of Muslim theorists recommending it as a tactic.
One other remark: note that RUSSIA is identified as a target.
Memo to all Fire Brigades and Bush Fire Brigades, etc, within the Lands of the Infidel:
Just to be on the safe side, DO NOT accept Muslim recruits, no matter how eager and plausible they may appear.
I would also advise that other volunteer bodies charged with protecting the public in times of danger and disaster - for example, in Australia, the State Emergency Services (all volunteers - they do things like rescue people stranded by floodwater), and the Surf Life Savers, also refuse membership to Muslims. Sudden Jihad Syndrome is too much of a risk.
My husband and son were recently scooped out of a rip at a popular surf beach, by the Surf Lifesavers.
What if a Muslim 'Lifesaver', on duty at an Infidel beach, chose merely to look the other way for a few minutes, upon seeing an Infidel in trouble? To raise the alarm, yes, but just a little bit too late for it to be of use?
Rest assured, folks. Our national land management agencies like the US Forest Service will not even consider jihadist threats to the Forests. No, lets concentrate instead on the marijuana growers 'cause you know what a threat they are to society...
and when they catch one of these jihadists forest arsonists...........will the main stream media tells Americans that it was a muslim???
Surely, you jest! Instead you'll hear about "two campers".
Do the Arabs have a different calendar than the rest of the world?
A November 26 posting said "summer has begun".
Of the countries threatened, that would seem to apply only to Australia. The rest of us were heading into winter. Maybe they just have their own definition of "summer" or else the threat came from a Muslim country in the southern hemisphere.
At last, I'm not the only one who has thought of the recent fires (last 10 yrs) as being something more than just nature at work. Here in Oregon we do have lots of lightening strike fires, but the more I thought about it, am I wrong or have the recent fires been "of suspicious origin" in a majority of the investigations? It is a good weapon to use, look at the Japanese during WWII. They developed balloons that would travel the jetstream and, at the preset time descend to the ground and ignite their payload, starting massive forest fires. As a matter of fact one did land here in Oregon, on the coast and I believe it was Florence, there was damage and one or two deaths I think. But the point is you can wreak havoc simply by tossing a road flare out the window of a car. Could the CA and Greek fires been the work of our enemies? I believe more strongly every day, nothing is beyond their twisted belief system. OK, now do we start profiling any Middle Eastern male(s)travelling in a forest area during fire season and search them for flares, matches, camping fuel, ammo, etc? Hmmmmmmm...................scratching chin......
"Kaffers of the world, Unite!"
"Islam, abusing women and children since 622AD"
"Memo to all Fire Brigades and Bush Fire Brigades, etc, within the Lands of the Infidel:
Just to be on the safe side, DO NOT accept Muslim recruits, no matter how eager and plausible they may appear."
Now ... we can't do that. That would be discrimination. We are sworn to tolerance and nondiscrimination. Better to die than discriminate.
More evidence to prove (yet again) that permitting Muslims to immigrate into one's country is a horrible, lethal error in judgment.
How much more such proof is needed? When will our nation's institutions and government wake up and smell the camel dung?
And, for what it's worth, such jihadist websites prescribing these various types of attacks on "infidels" offer extremely convincing proof that the "hatred" label being lobbed at people with the sense and decency to stand up for their country (wherever it is, assuming it is non-Islamic) is political, wrong, and aimed at precisely the WRONG people and should be aimed at the Muslims that are usually the ones who plot such attacks (for al-lah).
Calling 'Smokey' the anti-forestfire jihad Bear!
I live in a forested area of northern California, that is frequently ravaged by wildfires. Most of them have been from lightning strikes or other such causes, but some of them have been arson. I doubt that any of them have been caused by jihadists, we do have infidel pyromaniacs, but I guarantee you this, a lot of these rural people are armed, and will chase down, and shoot anyone they catch setting a fire deliberately. Not only the people, but the fire officials have no patience with fires in wooded areas. A man was burning a small pile of leaves, but making a lot of smoke. A California Dept of Forestry bomber flew over, and dropped orange retardant over him and his three foot fire. A week later he got a bill for $2500.00. You don't burn anything on a no burn day, and you shoot arsonists, jihadi's or not.
That's the way it is here in the woods, so jihadi's beware...
memo to Oregon Jake:
A month or two back, the ATLAS SHRUGS website-link to JW ran an article about the recent forest fires in Greece and it seems that not only were the disastrous fires there indeed set by arsonists (whose identities were never determined), BUT there were CELL PHONES discovered by Greek authorities at the sites where the fires were believed to have been set and which may have belonged to the arsonists, which legitimately opens up the possibility that these massive fires WERE indeed the work of jihadists! (Cell phones are very often carried by jihadists when they are carrying out a mission against the infidels).
Your instincts may very well be on the money. However, the evidence is not (as yet anyway) conclusive.
My son has been working very hard to become a fireman/paramedic over the past three years, and news like this will only strengthen his resolve in achieving this goal.
He also worked as a lifeguard at our local pool while in high school, and he's currently a beach lifeguard during the summer months.
My son is such a loving and caring young man who has great concern for others and for saving lives - and by sharp contrast we have soulless individuals like these who have made it their lifes work to destroy it.
Evil truly does exist - but then so does good.
Rest assured, folks. Our national land management agencies like the US Forest Service will not even consider jihadist threats to the Forests. No, lets concentrate instead on the marijuana growers 'cause you know what a threat they are to society...
You are quite wrong. USFS firefighters on the ground are aware of this threat. How do I know? My hubby is a USFS Battalion Chief.
I sent this article to one of their major bulletin boards for distribution.
For another, those "harmless" pot growers can be quite deadly. How do I know? I was a backcountry ranger for a number of years. They aren't a bunch of peace-loving, dope smoking, hippies. They are armed and dangerous, and many of them are illegal aliens with MS-13 and other gang ties.
Right now I work with air quality and pesticide impacts to aquatic systems, among other things. One of our recent monitoring programs brought up some concerns about rather nasty toxics in a remote high elevation river....and guess what, it was drug related. Those "harmless" dope growers had abandoned their plantation along with a bunch of toxic waste that was leaching into the stream and causing serious harm to the aquatic wildlife, in one of the most beautiful wilderness areas in my state.
I suggest you get shot at a few times while enjoying our "public" lands, or go try and safely pack out the toxic trash from a remote drug site (at taxpayer expense, I might add)....that might change your point of view.
Treehugger. Mexican Nationals have been busted on
several occasions for growing large pot crops on BLM land on the South Yuba River (Calif)watershed.
There are an abundance of local growers, but only a few hippy types grow a small number of plants here, and there, in the woods. The rest grow indoors or on their own property. The invention of a script for medical pot allows many growers to grow right in their yards. Few locals grow large crops that can be spotted from th air, almost all of those are by criminal gangs, Mexican Nationals, or both.
And you are right, it can be dangerous to stumble on one of these 'grows'....
Hey, this is absolutely believable. They've laid waste to every land they've ever set foot on. They are the eternally cursed. How much you wanna bet that even SOWdi BArbaria was once lush and verdant. Until these fools killed off the locals Jews and other 'infidels' that is.
As one othe rposter likes to say in each of his posts...
...ban muslim immigration...
I add to that: ***NOW***
In the light of 9/11 it was no big mental stretch for this Southern Californian to come to the conclusion that at least SOME of the fires could be set by terrorists. When the Devore fire swept by on the hills 3 miles to the North the running theory was a couple men seen loitering in their vehicle about where the fire started. To my knowledge they were never caught. This summer's fires also brought that to mind.
This is, however, no a particularly high quality technique. The terrorists would get lost in the noise. If firebugs who would set these blazes are one in a million the city and its immediate environs has 13 such people waiting and ready. And to make it worse this past summer's blazes show that some of the firebugs come from as far away as Arizona. So we're easily wandering close to 50 to 75 home grown nutzoid firebugs who already know the "best ways" and "best times". The untutored terrorist would find his efforts lost in the noise and fires created by all the other sources. After all, not all fires are started intentionally by firebugs. Several this past summer were caused by careless idiots and other non-firebug causes.
So, yea, I figure it'd be an easy and highly destructive thing for a terrorist to do. But it'd just get lost in the noise. They don't want that. It obscures their message.
{^_^}
Here in Israel They do it all the time... Forest fires are caused by Muslims every summer...
I don't care so much if entire Europe is burned, because they bring it upon themselves and keep backing the pallies here no matter how murderous they are... but the Americans don't deserve this crap.. I really hope they will stop all this immigration before it's to late like it is in Sweden, France, Denmark and some more countries...
Interesting this!!
We have already had muslims charged with arson here in Australia after the last dreadful set of bushfires.(in Victoria, I think)
I cannot supply the reference as I noted it only without keeping it.
Oh well!! Just another nail in the coffin of "there are good muslims" as eventually most of us will not care if there are.
Hebrewman: "I dont care so much if entire Europe is burned"
You may not realise it, but Israel has many supporters in the UK too. We may be a minority, but we grieve over what is happening to Israel. Even in China, prayers are said for the peace of Jerusalem. You are not alone! We cannot all be responsible for what our so-called 'leaders' do.
There is no 'Palestine', only Judea and Samaria.
God Bless.
Hi Sencit,
I'm sorry, I do not really mean I don't care about Europe, it is the cradle of real civilization, and a big part of Israels chance to survive...
But...
When in France you hear more Arabic then french.
When in the UK you see bigger demonstrations supporting terrorists then for supporting humanity or saving earth,
when you see Spain running away from Iraq after a single terror attack, when you see germany allowing 5 million Muslim immigrants to enter without a flinch, and Austria does just the same.
when in Sweden you see blue eyes veiled behind a black burqa, with little ends of blond hair showing... and huge mosques are built everywhere. And after all of that - Europe still supports the pallies so firmly, it seems kind of a lost fight, for us too...
So it makes me mad.
The truth is I wish you good luck with your struggle - for yours and my survival too...
So, when our friendly ever so neighbourly Jihadists aren't stoning women to death or slitting their throats, they're targeting Yogi Bear and his friends
A brave bunch of lads.
Apparently not the first time they have been alerted.
I remembered seeing a foxnews headline during the fire and a quick search came up with this. I don't know anything about the site though.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1226
Where, in "Islamic lands" have the infidels destroyed trees?
“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.
In the ancient Puranas, the story of King Kamsa's persecutions of brahmins near Mathura (UP)included descriptions of cutting down or burning fruit trees, poisoning wells and killing their herds of cattle - all means of livelihood. This has been regular activity for purveyors of terror even for thousands of years.
Strange but this story spells out what I had worried might be true. "Mischief in the land" is a turn of phrase with a distinctly Islamic ring to it.
"...Now ... we can't do that. That would be discrimination....."
...yes we can...it would be called survival.....
So that's what happened to the Sahara forest...............
I take it that they don't fear Al Gore...the Gorical.
duh-swami:
Peaceful folks growing a few plants for recreational or medical use doesn't bother me.
Unfortunately, most of my experience with plantations (and other sorts of drug operations,
for that matter) has been negative in the extreme.
Like you said, many of them are very dangerous, and they don't give a flip about their effects to the surrounding environment or to the general public.
A pot plantation and/or a meth lab costs us all a lot of money to clean up safely-and yes, even as a govt employee I hated to see taxpayer $$ wasted in that way. I am also concerned about the safety and security of National Forest visitors.....one sad fact is that our Parks and Forests are getting less and less safe because of these types of bozos.
My experience has mostly been in Southern California, sorry to hear that the problem is heading north.