Just a few questions for al-Qaradawi: First, having previously traveled to France for medical care, why is it that you find yourself dependent on the West for advanced care? Why not Riyadh? Or Cairo, Dubai, or Islamabad? Second, having defended the execution of homosexuals, suppose while you're getting medical care in the West, a gay doctor saves your life. Would you rather he didn't? Should he still have to die?
"Row over Islamist cleric's visa," by Jamie Doward for The Observer:
An Islamist cleric who has defended suicide bombings and the execution of homosexuals is to be allowed to enter the UK, sparking a major row between government departments.
The Observer understands that senior civil servants in the Home Office and Foreign Office have recommended that ministers approve an application by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is banned from entering the United States, to come to London for medical treatment.
The news has prompted unease in the Department for Communities and Local Government, which fears that allowing Qaradawi in might offend other faith groups as well as many Muslims. Several senior civil servants are also understood to have reservations because Qaradawi, 80, has previously received treatment in France, suggesting that he can receive medical attention for his undisclosed illness elsewhere.
There were calls last night for ministers to reject Qaradawi's application. 'Qaradawi has been banned from the US since 1999,' said Dr Irfan al-Alawi, international director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism. 'Why should the British government allow him to come here?'
This is not the first time Qaradawi's close relationship with Britain has attracted controversy. Two years ago the government paid for him and his wife to fly from his home in Qatar to Istanbul for a conference. In 2004 the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, invited Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood, to the capital. The move provoked widespread protests from Jewish groups and gay rights organisations.
A spokesman for the Foreign Office said that it could not comment on individual visa applications.
Imagine, for a moment, that you were suddenly denied access to medical care. Imagine that you could not count on a Western hospital, Western nurses, Western-trained doctors. Imagine that you had to endure only what the Muslim lands offer. Imagine, even, that the Western doctors who work, for high pay (pay that is going to have to get a lot higher, as a kind of security premium, and for them to continue to endure the contumely they suffer, like all foreign workers, in Saudi Arabia and, to a lesser extent, in the sheikdoms of the Gulf). You would be very scared.
Now imagine that the Western world simply denied to the daggers-and-dishdasha boys, and to the Muslim clerics such as Al-Qaradawi, what they now take as by right: access to Western medical care.
And imagine further that you could never attend a Western school, as so many of the Muslim elites have done, whether those schools are Christian-run schools in Karachi or Baghdad or Cairo (but the students and their Muslim parents never give it sufficient thought, never ask themselves why it is that in every Arab and Muslim capital, the best schools, the schools that the elites want to send their children to, are never the Muslim schools but always the handful of Christian-run schools, such as Victoria College in Egypt, or Baghdad College (a high school run, for a long time, by Jesuits from Boston College), where Chalabi, and Allawi, and the rest of the "secularised" elite of Iraq attended school.
Now imagine that if you don't behave yourself, the Western world will deny you, and deny your children, access to the great wide wonderful world of the West, with its hospitals and its universities, and all the rest.
Well, Qaradawi has two daughers studying in Great Britain. Qaradawi, who lives in fabulously rich Qatar, apparently prefers to use doctors and hospitals in filthily decadent Great Britain, the same decadent Infidel place where his daughters study.
Is it not possible to deny him this? And even to boot out his daughters? Why do we keep indulging someone who has defined away the category of "Israeli civilians" and who defends terrorism?
On what grounds is his request being granted? As a way to win his heart, his mind? Don't be idiotic. There is no way to win Muslim hearts or minds, as long as those hearts and miinds remain truly, implacably Muslim (someone falling away from Islam is another matter). But cooperation can be obtained, as it has always been obtained -- by threatening rather than acquiescing or currying favor. Whenever the American government threatents to cut aid -- to Egypt, to Yemen -- it gets results. Small and begrudging results, but still, it is the only way it has ever gotten even those results. Without such threats, it never gets a thing. There is a lesson here. One wonders how long it will take to learn.
Only if it is for a brain transplant.
I hope we're talking about private medical care here. Although knowing this country, nothing would surprise me.
"Only if it is for a brain transplant."
Implant, I guess.
Britain has the best treatment centers for final stage syphillus in Europe.
Amazing to think;
Here in Britain freedom of speech among the rank-and-file peoples of our society is being attacked daily by our near Marxist government, yet they can't bend backwards far enough - or go to any disproportionate length or extreme, to come to the aid of an Islamic despot anywhere in this world.
No doubt - as a tax payer - I, and not they, will be paying this piece of human garbage's medical bills. This government are overstepping their communist mark with impunity these days. To this point, I largely ignored their bumbling hypocrisy. Now I see - more with every passing day they are a genuine danger to their own people and have to be stopped.
"Without such threats, it never gets a thing. There is a lesson here. One wonders how long it will take to learn.
Posted by: Hugh "
....OK, I will say it...Ban Muslim Immigration...
Qaradawi: can AIDS be cured with camel urine?
Muhammad, bandit chief and caravan raider of 7th century Arabia, was known to cure his followers with camel urine. After they became well they stole his camels and made a run for it, but the all merciful prophet exacted cruel revenge, like this…
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* You’d think that the followers of this 7th century prophet & medicine man would follow his teachings, but they don’t: whenever the Mullah’s, Imam’s and muftis of Islamistan fall ill, they seek the services of the filthy kuffar, the same people they hate, in fact so much that they want to kill, enslave and forcibly convert them all.
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/28/qaradawi-can-aids-be-cured-with-camel-urine/
Sorry, the link above "like this" didn't work.
For those who don't know the story about the camel urine, its here:
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Hadith/Topics/Medicine.htm
...after removing a cancerous tumor, why would you reintroduce it to your body...makes no sense...tell this buffoon to find a Muslim doctor in a Muslim land...
Another knock against socialized medicine
He's probably just preparing for a mosque tour anyway. Deny his application and throw his daughters out on their collective arses as well.
This is exemplary of the flawed logic of Islam as a successful, productive all-encompassing ideology. Make everywhere open to the will of Allah and Shari'ah law, then there will no place to go when people truly need things that they can't get from the Qur'an.
That list, by the way, is quite long indeed.
awake,
A lot like socialism. Get people dependant on the sysytem instead of being self sufficient
Well maybe this will be a heart softener like the Muslim always tell stories about "the pie salesman and the hat thief who turns to Islam"
To deflect away from Islamic genocide.
This is the same man whose latest wifey is younger than his youngest granddaughter.
File this story under "Infidels Never Learn".
They will stupidly restore this cretin to health so that he may de-health more infidels in the future. If this is not insanity then the word needs to be dropped from the dictionary.
Sure, let him come for care in the UK ...
... but tell him that he can only be seen by a FEMALE doctor. Being a good (psycho) Muslim, he'll have no choice but to refuse, as he can't be touched by a woman who is not his wife ...
... and then the 'undisclosed illness', which Muslim physicians in Qatar apparently can't cure or treat, will continue unimpeded in his murderous body, thereby bringing justice to the world.
tell this buffoon to find a Muslim doctor in a Muslim land...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 29, 2008 7:48 AM
Oh, yes.
Well, Qaradawi has two daughers studying in Great Britain. Qaradawi, who lives in fabulously rich Qatar, apparently prefers to use doctors and hospitals in filthily decadent Great Britain, the same decadent Infidel place where his daughters study. --posted by Hugh
The hypocrisy is so transparent.
England is so dead. And all MSN focuses on with Meredith Viera in London is the Queen's popularity and Buckingham Palace. It's incredible, the purposeful looking-the-other-way. "Oh, it's still Merry Olde England!" -Not.
What's betting he also demands the nurses attending him cover up and his wish is granted.
Those Brits want islam, isn't it obvious? 1000 years ago an invasion of this scale by a foreign enemy would've been met with painted Britons, charging into the North sea to scare off any potential invader. These days, the foreign invasion is met by jumper wearing "Nigel" types, their breath smelling of decaf coffee as they fume over the latest American hate fest in the guardian.
Sad, a once great nation destroyed within a span of 50 years thanks to socialism.
All of the Labour party members have links with far left socialists, marxists and communists. For example David Miliband, Foreign secretary, his father was a marxist and took david to meet Castro. Miliband was a mentor of the far left bolshie Tony Benn.
Communists are responsible for the deaths of millions of their own people in China, Soviet Union etc. Funny how you never read this in the press.
Leon,
Whats the word on the street like? Is the average Brit in line with the leadership or is there actual anger in what the UK is becomming?
If you ask me, the socialists are more dangerous than the jihadis. The Dhimmi Internationale will be the death of Western Civilization.
Send him to Israel, he could get good treatment there.
Send him to Israel, he could get good treatment there.
"The moment you give up your principles, and your values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period."
-- Oriana Fallaci
You can throw HONOR in there, too.
elric66
Well, since I dont live there anymore i'm not a qualified to speak about current society,I havent lived there for 6 years.
The last time i went back was 3 days after the london bombs 2005. our airport bus driver had no difficulty in telling everyone that islam would never take over the UK, "over my dead body" he said. His was the last anti-muslim sentiment that i heard.
My family that do live there tell me that islam is peaceful and its just a minority that are involved in terror. America seems to be the biggest cause of fury over there, not islamic jihadism which many Brits believe is fuelled by american foreign policy.
remember that the people who currently govern Britain are also far left members, marxists, socialists and communists, not just a few of them but all of the Labour party members are or were far left in their careers. The media, especially the BBC is far left with a proven anti american agenda.
The people that are being screwed are the british populaiton who are being so badly brainwashed that they don't know up from down.
Any anti- jihadism is viewed as racism and islamophobic, even though the BBC admits that muslim drugs gangs were involved in the recent kidnapping case of a british soldier from a British pub.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7215081.stm
my dream job would be getting paid by you lot to live in central london giving daily reports for jihadwatch on the growing jihad in the UK. :)
Why would the UK government pay for this bag of garbage to fly to some useless Muslim convention, when he isn't even a citizen? WHy don't some of those oil rich parasites pay for this scum's lifestyle and medical care?
Any confirmation on who is paying for this?
leonthepigfarmer,
Not just the Labour people, who bear a lion's share of blame, but lot's of the Conservative and Tory elite harbor Arabist sympathies and love looking down on America. They think they can wheel and deal and connive instead of confront.
Elric 66;
The average Brit is so far removed from this Labour government you would hardly believe we shared the same country. The average Brit is no more than a taxable cash cow to enable our Marxist leaders to crusade on their latest scheme of utter contempt and ridicule. When Blair stepped down we were presented with Gordon Brown and a cabinet of communists that no-one noticed until they rose to power.
A list of our Labour governments early leanings and beliefs;
David Milliband - Foreign Affairs
Ed Milliband - Minister for the Cabinet
Sons of radical Marxist theoretician Ralph Miliband
Ruth Kelly - Transport
Long time supporter of Friends of the provisional I.R.A.
Granddaughter of Philip Murphy - Quartermaster of the West Fermanagh I.R.A. battalion
Alan Johnson - Health
Branch Official of the Communist Party of Great Britain
John Reid - Former home secretary
Secretary of the Communist League
Jack Straw - Justice
President of the Communist Society
Peter Hain - Works & Pensions
Anti apartheid activist (South Africa)
Incorporating the armed resistance movement
Harriet Harmon - Leader of the house
National Council for Civil Liberties
Hilary Benn - Environment
Son of radical left wing Marxist Tony Benn
This is the Labour government the British public DID NOT vote for - but we now endure them anyway. God knows what lurks behind them.
This lot - in 1990 - at the fall of the Berlin wall had no credible place to turn. Their Marxist beliefs lay in tatters as their beloved Soviet Union fell to peices. Yet did they curl up and die? - Hell no they infiltrated NEW LABOUR and have now swept to power.
We do not owe these people anything but our comtempt. Refuse them anything Western.
contempt
"Any confirmation on who is paying for this?
Posted by: Celsius"'
....without a doubt the Non Muslim British Royal Citizens....
Sometimes I think that the Brits, the Aussies, and many in Europe and the USA, Canada, etc can be soooooo stoooopid. They chose to be ignorant. This guy is a murdering thug - a psychopath. And no psychopath I know will learn from our good deeds. Both - the psychopath and the muslim - only looks at us all as being weak. And they will do NOTHING to change their poor behavior.
And all we have to do is look no further than how they treat the israelis, or our soldiers.
But, what can I say, even the israelis will do the same - treat them - while knowing these same will not do the same for non-muslims.
Allowed in for medical treatment? He should be given the 'treatment' all right, as soon as he arrives.
Kinda reminds one of the question Kim Jong Il posed in Team America: World Police:
"Why is everbody so f***** stupid?"
Prof. Hans Jansen, a Dutch scholar of Islam, quotes at the end of his review of the sourcebook "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom, Qaradawi's carefully eliminating the "suicide" element out of what in the West are called "suicide bombings." Qaradawi, who supports such bombings, and realizing that "suicide" is forbidden in Islam, took it upon himself to prove that the taking of a very high risk (wearing a belt that explodes is assuming a high risk indeed), the kind that non-Muslims call "suicidal" and insist is an act of "suicide," would not be so defined, according to Qaradawi, in Islam.
Posted by: Hugh at January 29, 2008 3:55 PM
Excellent point Hugh. Qaradawi has esentially developed a work-around to Islam's prohibition against suicide. In reality, these self-detonating jihadists are homicide bombers.
Since the Qur'an was constructed by Muhammad long ago, and contrary to the widely-held notion amongst Muslims that it is the perfect book regulating all things for all times, it did not and could not legislate on matters such as advanced weaponry which did not exist at that time.
While it is certainly understandable that there were no acts of scimitar suicide, with the exception that running into a pack of equally equipped infidel foes, taking out a few before ultimately being kiled, this is not suicide, but rather, martyrdom.
Qaradawi, by emphasizing the homicide portion of the bomber and by placing the suicide portion as incidental and secondary, was able to circumvent the apologistic verse in the Qur'an.
http://www.meforum.org/article/530#_ftnref13
"Qaradawi was also at pains to distinguish between suicide and martyrdom. Islam clearly prohibits suicide, yet views martyrdom as a noble act, assuring individuals a place in heaven. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Qaradawi rejected the term "suicide operations."
"This is an unjust and misleading name because these are heroic commando and martyrdom attacks and should not be called suicide operations or be attributed to suicide under any circumstances."[13]
"He clarified that the term suicide applies to someone who kills himself for personal reasons and is therefore a coward. In contrast, an attack against Israel is defined as martyrdom and therefore legitimized as a brave, unselfish sacrifice carried out on behalf of the entire Muslim community."
These types of justification by interpretation are commonplace amongst Islamic jihadists, masquerading as "scholars".
In one fell swoop, Qaradawi was able to circumvent the prohibition of suicide bombings by Palestinians against the Israelis, by redefining the act as maryrdom and redefining the Israeli women and children not as civilians, but as enemy combatants, by their relativity to adult Israeli males.
Remember that the next time an Islamist tries to lie about jihad only being justified in defense of Islam, for as for all of us here in the US, the mere presence of US military forces in an Islamic country renders us all enemy combatants by proxy, and thus, fair game.
Apparently, the right gears of government have been greased.
Apparently, the right gears of government have been properly greased.
Apparently, the right gears in government have been properly greased.
Apparently, the right gears in government have been properly greased.
Apparently, the right gears in government have been properly greased.
If Islam prohibits suicide, we must convince Muslims around the world that confrontation with the West is suicidal.
stone rose
try telling showing that communist proof to the average brit liberal, their eyes will glass over and they will accuse you of being a neo-fascist or crypto nazi. well they wont actually say it to your face.
or try even saying it to an average brit. they will accuse you of being delusional paranoid white supremacist.
Leon wrote:
"1000 years ago an invasion of this scale by a foreign enemy would've been met with painted Britons, charging into the North sea to scare off any potential invader."
Ummmmm, Leon~ Nine hundred forty two years ago, in 1066, the Brits were invaded by two foreign enemies. Although English forces did drive Harold Hardraada and his Norwegian army back into the North Sea, they were unable to repel William the Conqueror and his Norman archers and horsemen at the Battle of Hastings several weeks later.
At no time did the defending king, Harold Godwineson or his army ever paint themselves!!!
Just google your friendly local Bayeux Tapestry.
My point?
Don't let your rhetoric get ahead of the facts.
Seeya.
"Excellent point Hugh. Qaradawi has esentially developed a work-around to Islam's prohibition against suicide. In reality, these self-detonating jihadists are homicide bombers."
Posted by: awake
I wish our media would just call the whole phenomenon what it is: Mass Murder. Why reference the bomber as either homicidal or suicidal? Do we need such elegant terms? Should we glorify the bombers, by mentioning them?
The bombers are murderers, no more and no less. Any mention of the bomber should be to call him a murderer. Imagine the impact of seeing headlines about "mass murder" every day, in the media. Sooner or later someone is bound to notice that there's something wrong, here...
"Suicide bomber", "Homicide bomber"--Notice how this gives the murderer the starring role in the story? Notice how it makes the victims secondary?
skevin
It was actually called the Battle of Senlac Hill, not Hastings.
Don't let your rhetoric get ahead of the facts.
Bye