The AP headline here styles them simply as "2 Britons," thoughly clearly they would wish to see the downfall of the British state and its replacement by a Sharia regime.
"2 Britons are charged with distributing materials that encouraged acts of terrorism," from The Associated Press (thanks to Sr. Soph):
LONDON: Two people have been charged in Britain with distributing a publication that encourages acts of terrorism, police said Sunday.Amjad Mahmood, 29, and Shella Roma, 27, both of Manchester, northern England, were arrested on Thursday and released on bail. They will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court in London on Feb. 12.
Mahmood and Roma were charged under Britain's Terrorism Act with distributing or circulating a terrorist publication that directly or indirectly encourages acts of terrorism.
"Shella Roma?"
Convert or British multiculturalist ashamed of being a Brit?
"Further details of the allegations against them were not immediately available"
Robert, do you have another news source or just have a nose for determining their religion?
And where there is two there are more than likely hundreds more, they just haven't been caught yet.
Look in the madrasses, and the mosques that dot the UK landscape and you will find not only the literature, let alone the tenants of the Quran and the hadiths, but you shall hear it preached by the Clerics,Imans, and sheikes. We have seen it preached on the streets, and signs have been carried publicly incouraging it right in front of the British Constables.
"At what point does freedom of speech become freedom to kill you"!
"Britons"
Brit·on (brtn)
n.
1. A native or inhabitant of Great Britain.
2. One of a Celtic people inhabiting ancient Britain at the time of the Roman invasion.
3. A member of a Brittonic-speaking people.
[Middle English Britoun, Celt, Briton, from Anglo-Norman Britun, from Latin Brittons, Britons, of Celtic origin.]
The Matter of England. The Story of Britain.
Woad-painted warriors are they, ancient of days, with their mysterious ceremonies at the Standing Stones of Callanish?
Admirers of Boadicea? Great readers of Geoffrey of Monmouth and the Admirable Bede? Lovers of Shakespeare and that inimitable English sense of humanity he emboded and that we used to hear to much about? Fast forward: admirers of Churchill, and that indomitable English spirit that we used to hear so much about?
Take any bit, or any bite or transmitted byte, of the Story of Britain, and see how these particular "Britons" fit into that story, and find, if you can, just what bit of "Britain" fits them.
Yes, "Britons" apparently only because they managed to live in, or even to be born, on the soil of the British isles. End of "Briton-ness."
End of Story.
The article says two people, is Shella a man's name or a woman's name?
Proposed future headlines for AP:
1. "Two walking and talking life forms charged with terrorrism"
2. "Two evolved specimens attack in Heathrow airport"
3. "Two carbon based systems carry jihad in England" (I think Robert said something like this a few months ago)
4. "Two talking humans propagate jihad literature"
5. "Someone, whose religion we have no ideia, attacks in England".
6. "Two seeing humans in jihad all over england".
It's because of organizations like AP that islamo-nazis feel more confident in attacking the West. Mainstream media is on the jihad side.
What MSM doesn't realize is that the jihadists hate them just as much as they hate those of us who dislike islamo-nazism.
It's uk jihadwatch today!
Thanks for the depressing news!
"...2 Britons are charged with distributing materials that encouraged acts of terrorism..."
-from above
Would that have been the Koran, the Hadiths, or the Sira?
All of the above, jewdog.
2 links today:
Londonistan: ‘Youths’ pelt Jews with stones in No-Go Area
Holocaust Day marred by stone-throwing
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/03/londonistan-youths-pelt-jews-with-stones-in-no-go-area/
UK: Hairdresser faces ruin as Muslim woman increases claim for compensation
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/03/uk-hairdresser-faces-ruin-as-muslim-woman-increases-claim-for-compensation/
I hope this sanitization scheme works out for all the "Britons" who don't want their nation bombed or terrorized. I'm not at all sure how to refer to those "Britons" any longer, for all, from those who wish to preserve Britain, to those who would like to destroy Britain, are equal today in Albion. I've seen it reported that the British government has recently decided to report all acts of Islamic terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity". It's all so unislamic, after all! Yet here we have another cluster of Muslims, espousing Islam and acting on behalf of the tenets of Islam, to perpetuate and spread Islam, but there's no mention of "Islam", "Muslim", or "jihad". It's all so very confusing!
...strip them of citizenship and deport them to a Muslim Land...now...no need to make a mockery of the judicial system...
Ban Muslim Immigration...
Damn exsgtbrown, you beat me to it :)
- Ban Muslim Immigration.
- Deport non-Citizen Muslims - there's no legal obligation to keep them here.
"both of Manchester, northern England"
What is the basis for this description? Their addresses? Were they born in Britain? Deportation of the immigrants is one thing but what are the Brits to do with their homegrown Muslims?
The same holds true for America. Native-born or naturalized, many Muslims are American citizens. What do we do?
"What do we do?
Posted by: PMK "
...whether they be a naurual citizen, a naturalized citizen, a student, a tourist, or whatever...strip all rights of citizenship granted to them by birth or legal process and deport or exile them...if they own property...seize and sell it....and in the case of naturalized or processed citizens...and they have family here...deport them at the same time...if they have bank accounts seize it and donate the seized funds to help pay for the Amputees, the amputees whose injuries were caused by Islamic explosions....if they have collegiated degrees...strip them of those as well, do they hold stock in businesses? seize and sell those, use the funds to help those orphaned childred who are orphaned because of Islamic explosions, passports?..seize them at time of deportation....
Ban passport reapplications, ban tourist visits, ban request to enter the country for medical reasons, ....in fact, Ban Muslim Immigration...
Clearly, most people aren't getting the message from their governments or the media. So, how can we prepare for the future?
http://menznews.blogspot.com
How long before they dont give the names of those arrested? The names give it away.
western infidel
you asked Robert: "do you have another news source or just have a nose for determining their religion?"
The giveaway is the name of the man: "Amjad MAHMOOD, 29". MAHMOOD is just another variation on 'Mohammed'.
The Muslim habit of naming most of their boys after their so-called 'prophet' is very handy for Infidels who want to figure out whether this or that news story has a connection to the Jihad.
(It's not a 100% reliable clue - witness Mohammed Hegazy in Egypt, who has kept his first name even after being disowned by his family and threatened with death for daring to apostasise to Christianity - but it's pretty good, as no sane and reasonable person from any other faith would EVER call their baby boy 'mohammed').
"The article says two people, is Shella a man's name or a woman's name?"
An effortless Googling yielded immediately two interesting results for "shella":
Shella Consultants - recruitment consultants in india, recruitment agency india, recruitment consultants india, recruitment agency in india...www.shellaconsultants.com/
El-Shella.com
ElShella Egyptian community, latest jobs in Egypt, travel to Egypt, dubai recruitment, family discussion forums friends Cairo,Egyptian families...
Well here is some shockers
Gloating extremist Mohammed Nawaz Raja (above left) runs a network of door-to-door money-raisers collecting thousands for his fake ‘charity'.
But householders who stump up thinking they are supporting a religious school are being duped into buying weapons for the Taliban.
The evil godfather of terror claims to have sent them hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Incredibly Nawaz, who owns a five-bedroom £350,00 house, is himself being funded by the taxpayer.
He pockets £250-a-week in handouts — and boasts: "I'm a British national. The government pays me to live.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/i-have-just-been-reading-few-articles.html
Clearly this is a Shella game:
Ding-dong!
"Honey, there's a bearded man at the door. Says he wants a few pounds for a charity to help homeless victims of Islamophobia."
"Oh, okay, dear. Let me get my checkbook. I've been reading so many terrible stories in the Guardian about evil Zionists and neocons and Mayor Ken is very worried about them."
jewdog
You must know my brother and his wife?
They need to be charged with "Un-Islamic Activity" to hinder further recruitment efforts of al-Qaida. You see, there is no "War on Terror" there is only Un-Islamic activity in Britain. (according to recent article posted here at JW)
Leon: Yup, I've got a few of those relatives myself.
I wonder what sort of material they were distributing.
Posters showing O.B.L Pointing with the message "I WANT YOU FOR JIHAD" underneath?
What gets my goat is this could fall under "freedom of expression" and in turn the case could possibly collapse letting a few vocal Jihadist sympathisers to run free. Its all in the fine print and the Jihadist do know how to use the system to thier own benefit. See the Erza Levant human rights case in Canada
Most likely they are Episcopalians struggling to
establish a Episcophate. It will be called Episcopalia, named after their god Episco and their prophet Palia. These are not the regular Episcopalians, we are used to,
these are misunderstanders of the texts and tenants of Episco, leading to extremism. Episco told Palia he had to fight unbelievers until the whole world was an Episcophate, and all worshipped Episco.
Misunderstanding Episcopalians have been doing that ever since. But not to worry, The arrest of these two will cut their numbers in half, first there were four, now there are two...The Episcopalian threat is half over...
Episcophate!
Too funny!
I'm not British, but I've lived in England for nearly seven years. I really, really loved my time time there. I left in 1993.
I wish the British well in this fight, and hope they do the right thing: STOP THIS MADNESS!
Else, my beloved photos of Salisbury Cathedral will become collector's items.
What do we do with our home grown muslims?
Paraphrase of above post
1 How about holding them up as a bad example?
2 Stop growing them.
3 Make them very lonesome by not importing any more. ( They can fly to Pakistan when they want to visit)
5000 Bosnian Muslims rally behind Jihadists
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/04/5000-bosnian-muslims-rally-behind-jihadists/
OT
Here is a new video featuring Adam Gadahn , the chorus is the best part....Heh...are you out there Azzam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvrE1xF8LQ&NR=1
pismopal and exsgtbrown,
Except for not importing any more, the rest of your suggestions run into a huge barrier called the Constitution. Equal protection, unreasonable search and seizure and many other inconvenient clauses and amendments stand in our way. We'd probably have an easier (though not necessarily easy) time expelling non-citizens but Muslims who have made it through the system or who were born here and who appear to be obeying the law are not so easy to get rid of. An army of civil rights lawyers is standing by, waiting to protect them and their rights.
Re Leonthepigfarmer;
U,K, Jihad watch today?.
Your wrong!! - Its anything but depressing from where I'm sitting, - back here in dear old Blighty.
What your now witnessing from that side of the pond - is the British press - "en-mass" - breaking from their politically correct chains and doctrine, - and declaring war on Gordon Brown - his left wing cronies - radical Islam - and political correctness.
Its heaven to watch - Gordon Brown - "the great leader" - has been transformed into the incompetent "Mr Bean" in the blink of an eye.
The games almost up for Brown and his Marxists - The camels back has finally gone to ground.
The E.U. - and cynical refusal to give a promised vote to the public on the grounds that "we don't count" was the beginning of the end for the media. - A slow drip-drip-drip of constant lies and scandals finally repelled Joe public.
And now Fleet street and Wapping are twisting the screw.
On these sites - I promise - you haven't witnessed a fraction of the stories about Muslims/Islam in Britain, - that have been pursued with zeal and relish in the last few weeks by a now rabid press.
The Race card as usual has been played, but on the subject of Islam - its now being ignored - the press are seemingly treating it with the disdain it deserves, (other than the B.B.C. and the Guardian of course).
Even red Ken as London mayor, (Islamic leaders from abroad have issued fatwas telling Muslims to vote for him) is now a distinct unlikelihood.
So Leon - don't be depressed! - keep pig-farming - and in the coming months - sit back - and enjoy the ride. - Its been a long time in coming.
Stone Rose !
Best damn news I've heard on the Brit struggle for a longgggg time.
You've made my day.
The PC pendulum starting to swing back, maybe ?
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
The local news sources are definitely identifying them as Muslims.
And strictly speaking, they're not Mancs: they're from Werneth in Oldham, a few miles north-west of here. There were riots there in summer 2001: it's always been a bit of a hotbed.
WSW
That should have been 'north-east' of here.
WSW
"February 3, 2008
2 Muslims in Britain charged with distributing "materials that encouraged acts of terrorism"
The AP headline here styles them simply as "2 Britons," thoughly clearly they would wish to see the downfall of the British state and its replacement by a Sharia regime.
"2 Britons are charged with distributing materials that encouraged acts of terrorism," from The Associated Press (thanks to Sr. Soph):
LONDON: Two people have been charged in Britain with distributing a publication that encourages acts of terrorism, police said Sunday.
Amjad Mahmood, 29, and Shella Roma, 27, both of Manchester, northern England, were arrested on Thursday and released on bail. They will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court in London on Feb. 12.
Mahmood and Roma were charged under Britain's Terrorism Act with distributing or circulating a terrorist publication that directly or indirectly encourages acts of terrorism.
Posted by Robert at February 3, 2008 9:22 AM
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"Shella Roma?"
Convert or British multiculturalist ashamed of being a Brit?
Posted by: Elric66 at February 3, 2008 9:32 AM
"Further details of the allegations against them were not immediately available"
Robert, do you have another news source or just have a nose for determining their religion?
Posted by: western infidel at February 3, 2008 9:50 AM
And where there is two there are more than likely hundreds more, they just haven't been caught yet.
Look in the madrasses, and the mosques that dot the UK landscape and you will find not only the literature, let alone the tenants of the Quran and the hadiths, but you shall hear it preached by the Clerics,Imans, and sheikes. We have seen it preached on the streets, and signs have been carried publicly incouraging it right in front of the British Constables.
"At what point does freedom of speech become freedom to kill you"!
Posted by: Mackie at February 3, 2008 9:55 AM
"Britons"
Brit·on (brtn)
n.
1. A native or inhabitant of Great Britain.
2. One of a Celtic people inhabiting ancient Britain at the time of the Roman invasion.
3. A member of a Brittonic-speaking people.
[Middle English Britoun, Celt, Briton, from Anglo-Norman Britun, from Latin Brittons, Britons, of Celtic origin.]
The Matter of England. The Story of Britain.
Woad-painted warriors are they, ancient of days, with their mysterious ceremonies at the Standing Stones of Callanish?
Admirers of Boadicea? Great readers of Geoffrey of Monmouth and the Admirable Bede? Lovers of Shakespeare and that inimitable English sense of humanity he emboded and that we used to hear to much about? Fast forward: admirers of Churchill, and that indomitable English spirit that we used to hear so much about?
Take any bit, or any bite or transmitted byte, of the Story of Britain, and see how these particular "Britons" fit into that story, and find, if you can, just what bit of "Britain" fits them.
Yes, "Britons" apparently only because they managed to live in, or even to be born, on the soil of the British isles. End of "Briton-ness."
End of Story.
Posted by: Hugh at February 3, 2008 10:18 AM
The article says two people, is Shella a man's name or a woman's name?
Posted by: Aunt Bea at February 3, 2008 10:48 AM
Proposed future headlines for AP:
1. "Two walking and talking life forms charged with terrorrism"
2. "Two evolved specimens attack in Heathrow airport"
3. "Two carbon based systems carry jihad in England" (I think Robert said something like this a few months ago)
4. "Two talking humans propagate jihad literature"
5. "Someone, whose religion we have no ideia, attacks in England".
6. "Two seeing humans in jihad all over england".
Posted by: Crusader at February 3, 2008 10:50 AM
It's because of organizations like AP that islamo-nazis feel more confident in attacking the West. Mainstream media is on the jihad side.
What MSM doesn't realize is that the jihadists hate them just as much as they hate those of us who dislike islamo-nazism.
Posted by: Crusader at February 3, 2008 10:56 AM
It's uk jihadwatch today!
Thanks for the depressing news!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 3, 2008 11:09 AM
"...2 Britons are charged with distributing materials that encouraged acts of terrorism..."
-from above
Would that have been the Koran, the Hadiths, or the Sira?
Posted by: jewdog at February 3, 2008 11:27 AM
All of the above, jewdog.
Posted by: Crusader at February 3, 2008 11:42 AM
2 links today:
Londonistan: ‘Youths’ pelt Jews with stones in No-Go Area
Holocaust Day marred by stone-throwing
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/03/londonistan-youths-pelt-jews-with-stones-in-no-go-area/
UK: Hairdresser faces ruin as Muslim woman increases claim for compensation
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/03/uk-hairdresser-faces-ruin-as-muslim-woman-increases-claim-for-compensation/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 3, 2008 11:57 AM
I hope this sanitization scheme works out for all the "Britons" who don't want their nation bombed or terrorized. I'm not at all sure how to refer to those "Britons" any longer, for all, from those who wish to preserve Britain, to those who would like to destroy Britain, are equal today in Albion. I've seen it reported that the British government has recently decided to report all acts of Islamic terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity". It's all so unislamic, after all! Yet here we have another cluster of Muslims, espousing Islam and acting on behalf of the tenets of Islam, to perpetuate and spread Islam, but there's no mention of "Islam", "Muslim", or "jihad". It's all so very confusing!
Posted by: jsla at February 3, 2008 12:03 PM
...strip them of citizenship and deport them to a Muslim Land...now...no need to make a mockery of the judicial system...
Ban Muslim Immigration...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 3, 2008 12:07 PM
Damn exsgtbrown, you beat me to it :)
- Ban Muslim Immigration.
- Deport non-Citizen Muslims - there's no legal obligation to keep them here.
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at February 3, 2008 1:46 PM
"both of Manchester, northern England"
What is the basis for this description? Their addresses? Were they born in Britain? Deportation of the immigrants is one thing but what are the Brits to do with their homegrown Muslims?
The same holds true for America. Native-born or naturalized, many Muslims are American citizens. What do we do?
Posted by: PMK at February 3, 2008 1:55 PM
"What do we do?
Posted by: PMK "
...whether they be a naurual citizen, a naturalized citizen, a student, a tourist, or whatever...strip all rights of citizenship granted to them by birth or legal process and deport or exile them...if they own property...seize and sell it....and in the case of naturalized or processed citizens...and they have family here...deport them at the same time...if they have bank accounts seize it and donate the seized funds to help pay for the Amputees, the amputees whose injuries were caused by Islamic explosions....if they have collegiated degrees...strip them of those as well, do they hold stock in businesses? seize and sell those, use the funds to help those orphaned childred who are orphaned because of Islamic explosions, passports?..seize them at time of deportation....
Ban passport reapplications, ban tourist visits, ban request to enter the country for medical reasons, ....in fact, Ban Muslim Immigration...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 3, 2008 2:06 PM
Clearly, most people aren't getting the message from their governments or the media. So, how can we prepare for the future?
http://menznews.blogspot.com
Posted by: ReligionofPeas at February 3, 2008 2:33 PM
How long before they dont give the names of those arrested? The names give it away.
Posted by: SonofIsaac at February 3, 2008 3:13 PM
western infidel
you asked Robert: "do you have another news source or just have a nose for determining their religion?"
The giveaway is the name of the man: "Amjad MAHMOOD, 29". MAHMOOD is just another variation on 'Mohammed'.
The Muslim habit of naming most of their boys after their so-called 'prophet' is very handy for Infidels who want to figure out whether this or that news story has a connection to the Jihad.
(It's not a 100% reliable clue - witness Mohammed Hegazy in Egypt, who has kept his first name even after being disowned by his family and threatened with death for daring to apostasise to Christianity - but it's pretty good, as no sane and reasonable person from any other faith would EVER call their baby boy 'mohammed').
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 3, 2008 3:16 PM
"The article says two people, is Shella a man's name or a woman's name?"
An effortless Googling yielded immediately two interesting results for "shella":
Shella Consultants - recruitment consultants in india, recruitment agency india, recruitment consultants india, recruitment agency in india...www.shellaconsultants.com/
El-Shella.com
ElShella Egyptian community, latest jobs in Egypt, travel to Egypt, dubai recruitment, family discussion forums friends Cairo,Egyptian families...
Posted by: cantor at February 3, 2008 3:57 PM
Well here is some shockers
Gloating extremist Mohammed Nawaz Raja (above left) runs a network of door-to-door money-raisers collecting thousands for his fake ‘charity'.
But householders who stump up thinking they are supporting a religious school are being duped into buying weapons for the Taliban.
The evil godfather of terror claims to have sent them hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Incredibly Nawaz, who owns a five-bedroom £350,00 house, is himself being funded by the taxpayer.
He pockets £250-a-week in handouts — and boasts: "I'm a British national. The government pays me to live.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/i-have-just-been-reading-few-articles.html
Posted by: shiva at February 3, 2008 3:58 PM
Clearly this is a Shella game:
Ding-dong!
"Honey, there's a bearded man at the door. Says he wants a few pounds for a charity to help homeless victims of Islamophobia."
"Oh, okay, dear. Let me get my checkbook. I've been reading so many terrible stories in the Guardian about evil Zionists and neocons and Mayor Ken is very worried about them."
Posted by: jewdog at February 3, 2008 4:42 PM
jewdog
You must know my brother and his wife?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 3, 2008 5:57 PM
They need to be charged with "Un-Islamic Activity" to hinder further recruitment efforts of al-Qaida. You see, there is no "War on Terror" there is only Un-Islamic activity in Britain. (according to recent article posted here at JW)
Posted by: Xero G at February 3, 2008 6:13 PM
Leon: Yup, I've got a few of those relatives myself.
Posted by: jewdog at February 3, 2008 6:56 PM
I wonder what sort of material they were distributing.
Posters showing O.B.L Pointing with the message "I WANT YOU FOR JIHAD" underneath?
What gets my goat is this could fall under "freedom of expression" and in turn the case could possibly collapse letting a few vocal Jihadist sympathisers to run free. Its all in the fine print and the Jihadist do know how to use the system to thier own benefit. See the Erza Levant human rights case in Canada
Posted by: OLDEngland at February 3, 2008 7:06 PM
Most likely they are Episcopalians struggling to
establish a Episcophate. It will be called Episcopalia, named after their god Episco and their prophet Palia. These are not the regular Episcopalians, we are used to,
these are misunderstanders of the texts and tenants of Episco, leading to extremism. Episco told Palia he had to fight unbelievers until the whole world was an Episcophate, and all worshipped Episco.
Misunderstanding Episcopalians have been doing that ever since. But not to worry, The arrest of these two will cut their numbers in half, first there were four, now there are two...The Episcopalian threat is half over...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 3, 2008 8:20 PM
Episcophate!
Too funny!
I'm not British, but I've lived in England for nearly seven years. I really, really loved my time time there. I left in 1993.
I wish the British well in this fight, and hope they do the right thing: STOP THIS MADNESS!
Else, my beloved photos of Salisbury Cathedral will become collector's items.
Posted by: boneshack at February 3, 2008 8:45 PM
What do we do with our home grown muslims?
Paraphrase of above post
1 How about holding them up as a bad example?
2 Stop growing them.
3 Make them very lonesome by not importing any more. ( They can fly to Pakistan when they want to visit)
Posted by: pismopal at February 3, 2008 8:53 PM
5000 Bosnian Muslims rally behind Jihadists
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/04/5000-bosnian-muslims-rally-behind-jihadists/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 3, 2008 9:31 PM
OT
Here is a new video featuring Adam Gadahn , the chorus is the best part....Heh...are you out there Azzam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvrE1xF8LQ&NR=1
Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 3, 2008 9:35 PM
pismopal and exsgtbrown,
Except for not importing any more, the rest of your suggestions run into a huge barrier called the Constitution. Equal protection, unreasonable search and seizure and many other inconvenient clauses and amendments stand in our way. We'd probably have an easier (though not necessarily easy) time expelling non-citizens but Muslims who have made it through the system or who were born here and who appear to be obeying the law are not so easy to get rid of. An army of civil rights lawyers is standing by, waiting to protect them and their rights.
Posted by: PMK "
.....Mass deportations have occured in past in the US...in the 1930s Tens of thousands of Mexicans were rounded up ( some reports say 400,000) and deported to Mexico....the saying at the time was something like "No immigrants get a job as long as an American is Unemployed"....
....Japanese and Vietnamese groups , in large numbers , have been rounded up and deported for "Security Issues"...
...Laws are written by man and can be changed by man....AS Muslim violence increases and their threats stike closer and closer to home...changes in the law will be made...and the deportations will begin....the sooner the better...
and remember :
The Palmer "Red Raids"
Building on earlier immigration laws, Congress passed the Deportation Act of 1918 with three purposes in mind. This law authorized the deportation of any alien who: [1] opposed all organized government (anarchism); [2] advocated the overthrow of the government "by force or violence"; or [3] belonged to any organization teaching these views. For example, the Secretary of Labor eventually ruled that the Communist Party advocated violent revolution. Therefore, any alien who was a member of that organization could be deported. The Bureau of Immigration (then part of the Department of Labor) often decided who would be deported under this law.
Even though deportation matters were not normally the concern of the Department of Justice, Attorney General Palmer soon created an alliance with officials in the Bureau of Immigration to find and deport alien "reds." J. Edgar Hoover, Palmer's chief investigating officer, ordered Justice Department agents to go undercover and join suspected radical organizations.
By December 1919, Palmer, Hoover, and their allies in the Bureau of Immigration had decided to arrest alien members of the Communist Party and other foreign radicals. Hoover issued the instructions to Department of Justice agents which called for the arrests to take place during a series of raids planned for the evening of January 2, 1920.
The Palmer "Red Raids" took place on schedule in more than 30 cities, located mainly in eastern states. Between six and ten thousand people were arrested. In many cases, arrest warrants had not been issued until after individuals found themselves in custody. Moreover, Department of Justice agents rarely carried search warrants during the raids. Nevertheless, the raiders seized political literature, membership cards and lists, organization records, and other papers. Very little evidence of revolutionary or criminal activity actually turned up. Days after the raids, thousands of aliens were still being held without formal charge, without bail, without the assistance of a lawyer and in many cases, without family or friends knowing where they were.
of the 10,000 plus arrestees, 1500 were deemed "good citizens" , the rest were deported....
mass deportations have occured in the US, they will happen again....for the security of the country...
until then...Ban Muslim Immigration...
Thanks for that WSW. I'll pass that additional imformation on to the BBC so they can update their report accordingly.
Meanwhile, here's one that escaped the BBC editor's rigorous fact checking and impartial eye. Today they're carrying the headline "Rare suicide bombing hits Israel".
Now we all know these incidents are so "rare" that it hardly seems newsworthy at all.
The stated mission of the BBC is "to inform, educate and entertain". Perhaps they should stick to what they do best and leave the informing and educating to others.
Western Infidel;
I was amazed by that story too.
Are the B.B.C. finally about to join in with the rest of the British Press coverage on this issue, (other than the Guardian of course) one wonders.
exsgtbrown,
1918 - that's ninety years ago! A lot of things are different today. In 1918 we had what amounted to a closed border with Mexico. Blacks were still subjugated in the South and many were denied their right to vote. This country was still isolationist - we said no to the League of Nations. Senators were just starting to be elected by the people. The Republican Party was still strong. The operation run by Eisenhower to drive illegals back to Mexico can't be done today. The Japanese internment has been apologized for - too many people consider it a stain on our history. They won't look to it for precedent, except as one to avoid. The Left has managed to demonize J. Edgar Hoover for all time. The Palmer Raids are not likely to happen again unless there is a huge attack that kills 100,000 or more Americans, and even then it's not likely to happen. It's more likely all Americans will face further restrictions because of the actions of a few Muslims. History is just that - history.
Remember Ellison taking the oath of office on "a quran owned by Thomas Jefferson". Today Jefferson's owning a quran is seen as proof of his open-mindedness and how well-read he was, not an admission that he was only trying to know his enemy.
...deportations will happen...it is only a matter of time...
"1918 - that's ninety years ago! A lot of things are different today. "
...yes indeed!.....and the need for drastic action is urgently needed....
begin by Banning Muslim Immigration..
Banning immigration is the easy part. Getting rid of those who are here is hard. We can't even deport gang members without lengthy proceedings. If they're citizens, it's next to impossible. The only ones who leave voluntarily are those who are in trouble with the law. After supposedly coming to the US in a search for freedom, they suddenly decide that Islamdom (or Mexico) isn't so bad if the alternative is jail. Note how quickly they scurry home after loudly proclaiming their desire to be here and to become Americans.
Another thing that makes it difficult to do what was done in the 1920s: television. For every terrorist identified, the press will bring out the Muslim doctor or children of Muslim immigrants who have become great scientists and are contributing to American society. The two will be blurred and the story line will be if we are going against terrorists then we are going against this wonderful Muslim architect who built this great museum and who donates fifty hours a month to charity, etc. How can we keep people like him out of the country? We are cutting off our nose to spite our face, yadda yadda yadda. That or his wife and children will suffer because of what we are doing to him and it's not fair, etc.
It's similar to cutting a government program. Try to eliminate a program that is largely wasteful and television will show you one sympathetic family who will be harmed if the program goes away. So we have to spend $20 million a year to keep this one family from suffering.
What were they passing out Qurans?
Stone Rose -
nothing to stop the Counter-Jihad Anti-Sharia movement flooding England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland with leaflets, too.
For example: the Ninth Surah, quoted in whole or in part, but not excluding 9: 5 'the verse of the Sword. Highlight the nastiest verses in bold black or in blood red.
Along with Hugh Fitzgerald's famous paragraph, oft repeated by him on this site:
“The large-scale presence of Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels has created a situation, both for the indigenous Infidels and other Infidels who have arrived, hoping to share the fruits of that Infidel nation-state, its political and legal institutions, its stability, its guarantee of individual rights, that is much more unpleasant, expensive, and physically insecure than would be the case without that large-scale presence.”
Perhaps write under that the dates and casualty lists of the London Bus and Tube Bombings and the Madrid Train Bombings. Note also the failed London Nightclub Bombing; the Failed Glasgow Airport Attack; and the failed 'Airplanes over the Atlantic' Bombing.
One could also sow the country with a leaflet headed NO 'GOLDEN RULE' !, followed by the relevant Quranic verse (48:29), which reads: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
(In Dawood's translation [Penguin Books], which Robert Spencer regards as one of the most accurate and clearest in English, though disliked by the Muslims, this verse is rendered as follows:
'Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers, but merciful to one another".)
Then reproduce Ali Sina's full discussion (on the Faithfreedom website) of this fundamental, and very unpleasant, aspect of Islam, which places it in opposition to all other halfway decent human belief systems and philosophies.
God bless the internet! God bless the laser printer, and home desktop publishing!
"If he was not a Muslim MP would they be doing this? If it had been some ordinary white middle-class MP, would they have been bugged?"
They are very clever at making "race" an issue and defining race in terms of skin color to divert attention away from the dogmas of Islam. There is no such thing as a "white race" and they know it. There are light skinned Caucasian North Europeans, there are darker skinned Southern Europeans, etc. As for Arabs, the Saudis, for example, are quite Caucasian and probably the most racist among Caucasians today.