From the Jundullah, or Army of Allah. And most of the 600 are former students of the Red Mosque, which was involved in a bloody confrontation with Pakistani forces last summer. But of course, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. There is no reason for self-professed moderate Muslim spokesmen in the West to do anything to counter the ideology that fuels this sort of thing. Nothing to see here at all. Move along, now.
"600 suicide bombers present in Karachi: report," from DPA (thanks to Sr. Soph):
ISLAMABAD - Six hundred would-be suicide bombers have been deployed to Pakistan’s southern port city of Karachi to target security forces, a media report said on Monday.Two top militants from Jundullah (Army of God), a Pakistani Sunni Muslim organization that has close links with the al-Qaeda terrorist network, who were arrested last week after a shootout with police in Karachi told investigators that most of the suicide bombers were former students of Islamabad’s radical Red Mosque, the Daily Times said.
In July 2007, Army commandos stormed the mosque and its adjoining Islamic seminary to end a siege by hundreds of armed militants entrenched there for a week. More than 110 people died in the raid while hundreds of rebels managed to flee.
“The 600 militants are mentally prepared and trained to carry out suicide attacks,” arrested Jundullah members Qasim Tori and Danish alias Talha told the police, the report said.
The militants also reportedly confessed to robbing foreign banks to generate funds for the operations....
Perhaps the Chinese would like to reconsider their investment in their client and ally.
Now, we know of course, that it's ALL the fault of Bu$hitler and his lackey, Musharrif, RIGHT? I mean, if not for the WOT, these people--The Red Mosque, the tribesmen, the disaffected--wouldn't have been PROVOKED! --Aarrghh, WHAT RUBBISH I READ IN THE Guardian, AMONG OTHERS!!
Just throw a Koran in a toilet or print a few cartoons and the whole 1.5 gazillion mob of lunatics will come to get you...
I think 600 would be bombers is a rather 'conservative' estimate. If you go to Pakistan, you can find that many in every village and every madrassah.
What else have they got?
Assalamau Laikum all,
We have to be careful of the authencity of this "information". Jundallah peoples often sacrifice themselves to capture (and torture) to spread fear and alarm to ordinary folks like me.
An auntie from Anwer's side lives in Karachi ...and I informed her of Jundallah and to be careful.
I can tell you that she is a wise old bird...deeply religious and fatalastic...however she moved me with her Quaranic sayings...which she has at the tip of her tongue...(a lifetime's learnings has it's uses)
She said “Naseemah beta (dearest)…."life is a journey to one certain destination,…you should wisely seek the knowledge necessary to arrive thoroughly prepared, with provision in hand for what lies beyond".
She then talked about how much she liked life and suddenly switched on the polluted kaffur “may they be justly cursed” for inventing murder…. and backed it up by quoting a hadith from Bukhari…
“No human being is killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is laid on the first son of Hadzrat Adam who invented the tradition of killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was Kaffur). (Bukhari 83:6)
She continued...."As for murder within Islam…..it is illegal…and so are suicide bombings" …she "recited" the following hadith the following hadith.
“When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder,” .
Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, “How is faith taken away from him?” He said, Like this,” by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, “But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again.(Bukhari 82:800)
This hadith makes it very very clear that suicide bombing can never ever be accepted in Islam. i.e. When a bomber is exploding the bomb, at that moment he/she is killing other human beings and (according to the hadith) the faith is taken away from him/her.
If at this time he/she is killed.. how can he/she ever enter Jannah or be considered a martyr or a jihadi when he/she died without faith!!??
Oh readers of this post…let us pray to Allah SWT that more jihadists read this hadith and get to know this truth of truths within Islam…Let it be so Ameen…Ameen.
Two top militants from Jundullah . . . told investigators that most of the suicide bombers were former students of Islamabad’s radical Red Mosque, the Daily Times said.
In July 2007, Army commandos stormed the mosque . . . . More than 110 people died in the raid while hundreds of rebels managed to flee.
“The 600 militants are mentally prepared and trained to carry out suicide attacks,”
Why didn't they stay and meet their "martyrdom" fighting the army commandos at the Red Mosque? Oh, they weren't "mentally prepared" for that, but only for suicide attacks. No, they weren't "mentally prepared" to actually fight someone who could fight back, but only to kill unsuspecting innocents. Sorry, boys, you had your chance for the virgins at the mosque, no second chances.
ebonystone,
Cut these guys and gals some slack--these alumni and alumnae weren't planning their class reunions this year--yeah, that's the ticket.
Oh, and Naseem, I don't know about that--are you sure those victims were really Muslims in good standing after all? Perhaps they were truly guilty of standing in the way of Islam's triumph--they may even have been as truly deserving to die as any kufr or Ahmadiya, you never can tell.
Christian matyrs, Naseem, are those faithful of all stations in life who bear witness--thus martyr to the Truth that is of God and Is God. They bear witness to Truth even to their deaths, but never, NEVER take lives or well-being away from those to whom they witness, even if those witnessed to persecute and kill them. Got that?
Christian matryrs, Naseem, are those faithful of all stations in life who bear witness--thus martyr to the Truth that is of God and Is God. They bear witness to Truth even to their deaths, but never, NEVER take lives or well-being away from those to whom they witness, even if those witnessed to persecute and kill them. Got that?
Naseem Naseem Naseem,
There are over one billion "ordinary folks" like you in Islam. You have the power to withstand the jihadists. You don't.
As for your auntie,
"Murder within Islam" may not be legal but it is most definitely legal for Muslims to murder non-Muslims. It's the admonition of Mohammad: slay the idolators. Remember your quran. Maybe that's why the charges of apostasy are rife within Islam. Only if you can decide someone isn't really a Muslim can you kill him.
I suspect your auntie speaks for the majority of Muslims. "No human being is killed unjustly?" That says you can always find an excuse. That's Islam's middle name: excuse.
I don't think Naseem wrote that, probably a cut and paste job from somewhere. Her grammar and typing were too good, and she never said Ameriki, or wild slutty womans, even once. She also avoided the use of the word 'lund'. Nice try Naseem. Maybe you never realized that it is Allah causing these dangerous types to trouble you. While you keep worshiping him, he is devising ways to stab you in the back.
This would never take place were you not a muslim to begin with. Ameriki's have a lot of problems, but God stabbing them in the back is not one of them.
You better get out of the devils lair before Allah's knife reaches you...
I agree with the above poster who said that most every village can muster 600 volunteers. Still 600 in one city is a very bad thing...
The militants confessed to robbing foreign banks.
Foreign banks need to get out of Pakistan. Isn't banking against the laws of Islam?
Here's a crazy thought.
Why don't the suicide bombers kill themselves first and THEN detonate their bomb?
It would really impress people.
"This hadith makes it very very clear that suicide bombing can never ever be accepted in Islam. i.e. When a bomber is exploding the bomb, at that moment he/she is killing other human beings and (according to the hadith) the faith is taken away from him/her."
-- from a posting by Nassem above
Is the hadith in the best collections, and has it been assigned (by Al-Bukhari, by Muslim) the highest rank of "authenticity" based on study of the isnad-chains? Or is it lower down?
In any case, as you know perfectly well, Al-Qaradawi and others have said that those whom we in the non-Islamic world describe as "suicide bombers' are not committing "suicide" at all, but rather taking a great and heroic risk of dying, while engaged in the great task of conducting Jihad and killing Infidels, the surest means to entering Muslim heaven, houris and pearly boys and rippling streams and all.
Is that how they celebrate Carnival/Shrove Tuesday/Pancake Tuesday? I have a suggestion or two to improve it....
600 would-be's are standing in line anticipating Sex Heaven? Are there really enough virgins to go around? Hey, you do the math!
I see. Islam condemns sex here on earth, but in heaven it's OK. Back-wards!
Naseem states: "Oh readers of this post…let us pray to Allah SWT that more jihadists read this hadith and get to know this truth of truths within Islam…Let it be so Ameen…Ameen."
No. Don't pray to allah. Not unless you want to invoke satan into your lives. Besides, allah will only laugh in your face, because a prayer like that only works against his agenda. May I recommend praying to the One True God instead.
Like when "Party of Allah" became "Hezbollah", I have to wonder how "Army of Allah" becomes "Jundullah".
It should be Hizb'Allah, and Jund'Allah. Anything else is an attempt to obfuscate the core motivation that fuels these groups.
Unless we say that Muslims pray to Ollah and Ullah, which would surely trigger mass fatal protests by enraged Myslims.
600 martyrs? More like 600 morons.